How is it possible that some people can see or predict the future?

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We need a Premonition Recording Department!

Echochartruse did mention this had been tried, and abandoned …

... British psychiatrist Barker established the British Premonitions Bureau, in the hope that the collection of any and all precognitive experiences might aid in preventing future tragedies. A year later, a similar organization, the Central Premonitions Registry, was formed in New York. Both collected large numbers of premonitions from the general populace.  The collection of premonitions to avoid disaster proved to be impractical, however, and both institutions were gradually shut down.

[Shooting youself in the foot there Echochartruse].

This concept exists on the internet e.g. ... http://www.prophecies.us/

A premonition is something that HAPPENS in the future not may or may not happen!
if there is a way to prevent it it no longer becomes a premonition, thought you would know that...
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Can you prove premonitions don't happen?

Can you prove Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy don't exist? Good luck with that approach to science!

are you saying it can't be prove that premonitions do not happen?
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Can you prove premonitions don't happen?

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The argument from ignorance, also known as argumentum ad ignorantiam ("appeal to ignorance" ), argument by lack of imagination, or negative evidence, is a logical fallacy in which it is claimed that a premise is true only because it has not been proven false, or is false only because it has not been proven true.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

stupid statement, what relevance?

There relevance is clear: you assert that because premonitions have not been proven false then they must be true:
 your argument is a logical fallacy, i.e. false, specious, erroneous, [insert other synonyms for bullsh!t here].

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Can you prove premonitions don't happen?

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The argument from ignorance, also known as argumentum ad ignorantiam ("appeal to ignorance" ), argument by lack of imagination, or negative evidence, is a logical fallacy in which it is claimed that a premise is true only because it has not been proven false, or is false only because it has not been proven true.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

stupid statement, what relevance?

There relevance is clear: you assert that because premonitions have not been proven false then they must be true:
 your argument is a logical fallacy, i.e. false, specious, erroneous, [insert other synonyms for bullsh!t here].



Thats your assumption, not mine. I never said that you did see above.

You clearly state that they dont happen yet it has been scientifically proven they do and departments and scientist and others have already established that and it has been recorded.
Yet you make no attempt as proving all the scientist, government departments, general public wrong.................I simply asked "Can you prove they don't happen?"The skeptics, however, say the data do not sway them.
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Quote; "do ya think men might not want to speak about their experiences?"

Considering that the others you have cited have all been males I don't think so, men tend to brag about such things.

Quote; "You clearly state that they dont happen yet it has been scientifically proven they do and departments and scientist and others have already established that and it has been recorded."

It seems that no one has written a premonition down, had it verified and then come true. I cant find any details of any scientific experiments that show this proof with or without recordings, so where is this data?

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Can you prove premonitions don't happen?

Can you prove Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy don't exist? Good luck with that approach to science!

are you saying it can't be prove that premonitions do not happen?

Exactly. But that does not mean that the opposite applies.
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If only one person ever had a premonition that eventuated in the records of the entire earth's life, can you still deny it happened?

For the sake of a discussion...

I think we should give you this: It happened once.
Maybe you can give us this in return: It happened once.

And then we start fresh. 

 
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Hi everyone this is interesting subject [:o]

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I have read some of the links that state experiments are being done scientifically and that it is a fact that we should all have the ability to see the futre.

Quantum science is especially taking it on board.


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Researcher Dean Radin, director at the Institute of Noetic Sciences conducted research showing that the central nervous system responds to events that have not yet happened, suggesting that human consciousness has access to future events as well as to the past and present.

In four separate double-blind experiments Radin found that average people respond to the content of an emotional picture before the picture is viewed. The odds of this happening are over one-hundred thousand to one. The experiment volunteers included average people as well as trained scientists


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The wikipedia page on "The Institute of Noetic Sciences" links to one on Pseudoscience.
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Institute of Noetic Sciences
[qute]The institute was co-founded in 1973 by Edgar Mitchell, an astronaut who was part of the Apollo 14 mission, wealthy industrialist Paul N. Temple and some others.[9] During the three-day journey back to Earth aboard Apollo 14, Mitchell had an epiphany while looking down on the earth from space. "The presence of divinity became almost palpable, and I knew that life in the universe was not just an accident based on random processes ... The knowledge came to me directly," Mitchell said of that experience. Following his spaceflight, Mitchell and others founded the Institute of Noetic Sciences.[10]

Among the projects the institute has sponsored include a bibliography on the physical and psychological effects of meditation, a spontaneous remission bibliography, and studies on the efficacy of compassionate intention on healing in AIDS patients.[11] They have also conducted a number of parapsychological studies into extra-sensory perception, lucid dreaming, and presentiment.[12
The institute currently conducts research programs in three principal areas:[4]
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newbielink:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_of_Noetic_Sciences [nonactive] [;)]

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definition......Premonition:

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A powerful intuitive feeling that something momentous and important is going to happen. The individual experiencing a premonition does not necessarily have to be psychic, or clairvoyant, or even a lesser intuitive. It is believed that important events sometimes send powerful emanations back into the past, which if believed could enable the people involved to prepare either for the best or for the worst. The vast number of letters and phone calls to the White Star ocean line on the day before the launch of the Titanic, or to the White House in Washington, DC in the last few days before President Kennedy left for Dallas, were NOT from actual psychics, but from ordinary people who simply had an overwhelming feeling of oncoming tragedy.

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I'm new to this, sorry will link the quote next time. I cant find it now. just search 'definition premonition'
it is amazing how many things come up.

I have just found something on Morgan Roberts who wrote about a ship extrememly similar to Titanic, date, physical features, the way it sank, everything he called the ship Titan. "futility' is the name of the book.

newbielink:http://www.titanic-titanic.com/titanic_premonitions.shtml [nonactive]
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A the similar or same factor may relate to doomed ships. The Titanic carried only fifty-eight percent of its passenger load on its disastrous maiden voyage when colliding with an iceberg in April 1912. A group of twenty-two stokers were late and the captain declared the ship would sail without them, a fact which may have saved their lives. The psychiatrist Ian Stevenson recorded more than nineteen incidents of premonitions and precognitions concerning the Titanic in England, America, Canada, and Brazil, which occurred within the two weeks prior to the ship's sailing date of April 10. Some cancelled their reservations after dreaming of the ship's doom; others said it was bad luck to sail on the ship's maiden voyage. Some of the survivors said they had felt uneasy but sailed anyway; the later is questionable because some sensation might have been prompted by after the fact thought.
newbielink:http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/p/premonition.html [nonactive]

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newbielink:http://godkillzyou.wordpress.com/page/3/ [nonactive] ............read this
now I'm finding out things I never knew before.
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science has come onto the premonitions scene. There are now hundreds of experiments that confirm premonitions, which have been replicated by researchers all over the world


I found something else on this forum I want to see so you will have to search it out, there are too many to list.

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I think some are being mislead by the links and are straying a bit. The OP was talking specifically about the ability to see or predict the future which is a premonition. Unfortunately most of those links are to do with paranormal activities and have nothing at all to do with premonitions. Proving one does not make the other proven or a fact.

Anyone can say this; "science has come onto the premonitions scene. There are now hundreds of experiments that confirm premonitions, which have been replicated by researchers all over the world." Trouble is so far no one has been able to supply any scientific corroborated data that is to do with premonitions or the details of any replicated experiments.

Like a lot of things in QM just because its possible does not mean its probable, to me that's the bit that's important.

Until someone can provide verifiable scientific data we will just be going round in circles.

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I have not been able to post for a while.
I've been searching the subject to find numerous scientists experimenting in this field.
science has a theory regarding the anterior cingulate cortex, see below.

It appears that the intense denial that premonitions are, as someone stated on this post...(bullshit!),..  is shifting...........


I am a trained scientist.  I worked in the field predicting failures.


As a scientist predicting failures, you may well be aware of this theory.

http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/node/7036
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A new theory suggests that the anterior cingulate cortex, described by some scientists as part of the brain's "oops" center, may actually function as an early warning system -- one that works at a subconscious level to help us recognize and avoid high-risk situations.


While some scientists discount the existence of a sixth sense for danger, new research from Washington University in St. Louis has identified a brain region that clearly acts as an early warning system -- one that monitors environmental cues, weighs possible consequences and helps us adjust our behavior to avoid dangerous situations.

"Our brains are better at picking up subtle warning signs than we previously thought," said Joshua Brown, Ph.D., a research associate in psychology in Arts & Sciences and co-author of a study on these findings in the Feb. 18 issue of the journal Science.

The findings offer rigorous scientific evidence for a new way of conceptualizing the complex executive control processes taking place in and around the anterior cingulate cortex (ACC), a brain area located near the top of the frontal lobes and along the walls that divide the left and right hemispheres.

"In the past, we found activity in the ACC when people had to make a difficult decision among mutually exclusive options, or after they made a mistake," Brown said. "But now we find that this brain region can actually learn to recognize when you might make a mistake, even before a difficult decision has to be made. So the ACC appears to act as an early warning system -- it learns to warn us in advance when our behavior might lead to a negative outcome, so that we can be more careful and avoid making a mistake."

Brown's study, co-authored with Todd Braver, Ph.D., associate professor of psychology in Arts & Sciences, offers compelling evidence that the ACC is better understood as a pre-emptive early warning system, one that is actively working to help us anticipate the potential for mistakes and thus avoid them altogether.

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Dr. Larry Kincheloe, an OB-GYN in Oklahoma City, knows ahead of time when
his patients are going to deliver because he gets strange feelings in his chest
when the time is near. It’s like an alarm goes off. This is so reliable that the OB
nurses caring for his patients have learned to ask him how his chest feels, as a
guide to when a patient will deliver.
http://www.dosseydossey.com/larry/Interview_Questions-Premonitions.pdf


UK science minister claims to have power like a sixth sense”
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November 17th, 2008 - 5:37 pm ICT by ANI  -
London, Nov 17 (ANI): British Science Minister Lord Drayson claims that he has a power "like a sixth sense, which enables him to foretell some events even before they occur. [/b][/u]
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/tag/sixth-sense


Surely scientist would know where to look to find information on these experiments, please don't ask me to prove them, go look for yourself. So far there has not been one piece of evidence other than the outright denial of premonitions even happening by most of the people on this forum.

So can anyone prove to me that it is just a fluke that so many people experience premonitions, that all the scientific experiments in this field are an entire waste of time and money?
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I have always wondered why it is possible that some can 'see' the future. Know the future, fortell the future. Mentally perceive it, even though it doesn't yet exist?

Understanding the future is as elementry as understanding the process involved in chemical reactions. Add sodium to chlorine in the proper combinations and you get salt, NaCl. Nothing supernatural about that is there.

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I have always wondered why it is possible that some can 'see' the future. Know the future, fortell the future. Mentally perceive it, even though it doesn't yet exist?

Understanding the future is as elementry as understanding the process involved in chemical reactions. Add sodium to chlorine in the proper combinations and you get salt, NaCl. Nothing supernatural about that is there.
Thank you for your comment,....that is why I came to a science forum to find the answer, unfortunately some scientists have a different opinion.
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I have not been able to post for a while.
I've been searching the subject to find numerous scientists experimenting in this field.

That will keep you indefinitely busy as it is pseudoscience.

It appears that the intense denial that premonitions are, as someone stated on this post...(bullshit!),..  is shifting...........

I said the argument you made, you can't prove it's false so it must be true, is a logical fallacy, (a.k.a. bullsh!t).

People do have vivid dreams, but they are not seeing the future.

You can't see the future because it hasn't happened yet.
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I said the argument you made, you can't prove it's false so it must be true, is a logical fallacy, (a.k.a. bullsh!t).

actually you made that arguement. I just asked "if it could be proven that it didn't happen" , thats all I said. Seems as though you assume too much and try to write as if another said something they didn't.

People do have vivid dreams, but they are not seeing the future.

You can't see the future because it hasn't happened yet.

Just becasue you dream doesn't mean that it will come true, a dream is not a premonition.
You are still indenial. So, I suppose becase you say it and becasue you are a scientist, it is true, with or without you providing scientific proof

Is that what you want me to think?
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Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-452833/Is-REALLY-proof-man-future.html#ixzz0T67PF1S5
Professor Brian Josephson, a Nobel Prize-winning physicist from Cambridge University, says: "So far, the evidence seems compelling. What seems to be happening is that information is coming from the future.
"In fact, it's not clear in physics why you can't see the future. In physics, you certainly cannot completely rule out this effect."
when did physics become pseudoscience.
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Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-452833/Is-REALLY-proof-man-future.html#ixzz0T67PF1S5
Professor Brian Josephson, a Nobel Prize-winning physicist from Cambridge University, says: "So far, the evidence seems compelling. What seems to be happening is that information is coming from the future.
"In fact, it's not clear in physics why you can't see the future. In physics, you certainly cannot completely rule out this effect."
when did physics become pseudoscience.

Please note how very careful the statement above is phrased. "seems", "so far", "not clear", "can't rule out".

I don't think anyone here has denied the possibility(!) of premonitions either.
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Maybe you would find more attentive listeners in a science fiction forum. People there might happily speculate about speculations. Or a spiritual/new age/paranormal forum. Some place where "facts" are accepted without demanding evidence.
Sorry if I read you incorrectly, just that I thought you disagreed premonitions are scientifically based.
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I'm pretty sure we don't all agree that premonitions occur.

This may be one or are they pointing their finger at another or just summarising?
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In other words, it was simply a lucky guess (or I should say nightmare).  As I said before...

Do we have any idea how astronomically ridiculous it is to predict such a series of rare events? 
Of course we don't. 
Sound to me like someone in denial
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Echochartruse you've twice used the phrase "in denial" on this page to two contributors, (you really need to expand your repertoire).
The inference of “in denial" being that we are rejecting something which has been proven to be true.
That people can see future events has not been proven to be true. Your own examples of premonitions Bureau / agency being abandoned shows that people's nightmares, however vivid, are not visions of the future, and recording them was a pointless exercise,
 (apart from possibly being research material for someone who wants to make a blockbuster disaster movie).

… you certainly cannot completely rule out this effect.

So the Professor is saying what has been said here: that claims of seeing the future cannot be proven not to have occurred, but as I have pointed out, because something cannot be proven to be false does not make it true. I can claim I saw Jesus Christ five minutes ago when I went for a piss, no-one can prove I didn’t, but others not being able to prove my claim false does not make my claim true.

[BTW it’s not true, I didn’t see Christ, it was Buddha]   
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I am a trained scientist.  I worked in the field predicting failures.

Scientists, let me explain the science of predicting failures. 


I knew that I just wanted to you say it and let others know it has nothing to do with premonitions
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Heck, if I noticed a bunch of wild animals running towards the hills and ignore me, I would most likely follow them. And I am not even in tune with behavior and habits of the animals in my area.
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So the Professor is saying what has been said here: that claims of seeing the future cannot be proven not to have occurred, but as I have pointed out, because something cannot be proven to be false does not make it true. I can claim I saw Jesus Christ five minutes ago when I went for a piss, no-one can prove I didn’t, but others not being able to prove my claim false does not make my claim true.

[BTW it’s not true, I didn’t see Christ, it was Buddha]   

And becasue it can't be proven doesn't mean it doesn't exist.......correct?

"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - C.G.Jung

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Especially with the progress in quantum mechanics, many of these anomalous, rare events do not seem so anomalous or rare any more and further they seem quite logical. There have always been the debunker's and strict disbelievers dedicated to dismissing it all without so much as a glance at the  data.To paraphrase a comment overheard at a symposium on physics, one of the guests( a physicist) said that even if there were proof of such things, he would not accept it.
http://knol.google.com/k/k-molto-phd/physics-and-the-paranormal/12dcvs1lr1twq/8#

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Sir William Crookes: 1832-1919. Discoverer of the element thallium. Elected fellow of the Royal Society in 1863. Royal Gold Medal 1875, Davy Medal 1888, Sir Joseph Copley Medal 1904, knighted in 1897, Order of Merit 1910. Invented the cathode-ray tube.
Crookes first began his investigations into 'psychic' phenomena in 1869 as a hostile doubter. In his article, 'Spiritualism Viewed by the Light of Modern Science' he declared:
"The increased employment of scientific methods will produce a race of observers who will drive the worthless residuum of spiritualism hence into the unknown limbo of magic and necromancy."
Crookes' experiments with Daniel D. Home demonstrated the existence of a 'psychic force' wholly ignored by science.

Premonitions: Fact or fiction?
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The brain is beginning to sound more like a computer that an organic structure, but that is the glory of it. To disregard it's unknown possible abilities is tantamount to ignorance. The next step is to satisfactorily ascertain that premonitions are therefore a variation of a predetermined frequency that someone's brain is picking up on. To fully accept this it would be of some help to have a basic understanding of Time/space with in the Physics arena and this is really only comprehended by the great minds that study that particular discipline, suffice to say it is a sound scientific principal, one that is overwhelming to the average individual. However, there are prime examples of the brains ability to receive information other than via the 5 senses. Feelings; are a perfect example of the brains ability to pick up on and loosely decode a frequency that is not detectable via the other 5 senses. Every felt like someone was watching you or that someone was standing behind you or every felt anxious at being in a place and yet there is no visible reason to feel that way? Clearly the brain is giving us information that it is gathering. yet you are unaware, until you get a feeling. Another example is the chemistry that exists between a man and woman, it is based on the brains ability to detect the frequency of the hormones excreted by the individuals bodies. So with all these known and credible examples it only compound the assumption, that if this occurs then the probability exists that premonitions are frequencies that the human brain is designed to recognise. In light of this brief exploration into the theory that premonitions are fact, it is reasonable to deduce that premonitions are indeed a fact, albeit one that has not yet been fully researched and documented at this present time.

the Journal of Parapsychology
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Marie D.Jones who stated that: "We know at the quantum level [time] is not linear and that the past,present and future all exist at one.For every now we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative wave flows into the past.not unlike the ripple effect created by dropping a pebble into the water". This certainly has implications on telepathy, pre/retrocognition, premonitions and our everyday lives in general.

And for the naysayers of the paranormal, it is always important to maintain a dose of healthy skepticism but remember that the absence of proof is not the proof of absence.

'the absence of proof is not the proof of absence'........[/quote]

whether it is a ‘so-called premonitions.’
‘phenomenon’
‘Coincidence’
something does happen and when we learn to accept it we will then understand How it IS possible that some people can see or predict the future?

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And because it can't be proven doesn't mean it doesn't exist.......correct?

No, if a claim cannot be proven false it could be true or false, it just cannot be proven to be false.
If you want to attempt to prove your hypothesis is true, (that some people can see the future), you would have to provide convincing evidence, you haven't.

As I have mentioned (twice) testing your hypothesis is easy, ask the alleged psychic to provide specific details in their prediction which could not be extrapolated from past events, e.g. the numberplate of the car hit by a meteorite, that level of detail would be convincing evidence of prognostication. Saying "a plane will crash close to an airport" is too vague, globally there is a plane crash daily, and most crash on take off or landing, (i.e. near airport).
People who claim to have seen the future are not necessarily fraudsters, they may sincerely believe it, but they have misinterpreted their vivid dream as seeing future events.
 
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And because it can't be proven doesn't mean it doesn't exist.......correct?

No, if a claim cannot be proven false it could be true or false, it just cannot be proven to be false.
If you want to attempt to prove your hypothesis is true, (that some people can see the future), you would have to provide convincing evidence, you haven't.

As I have mentioned (twice) testing your hypothesis is easy, ask the alleged psychic to provide specific details in their prediction which could not be extrapolated from past events, e.g. the numberplate of the car hit by a meteorite, that level of detail would be convincing evidence of prognostication. Saying "a plane will crash close to an airport" is too vague, globally there is a plane crash daily, and most crash on take off or landing, (i.e. near airport).
People who claim to have seen the future are not necessarily fraudsters, they may sincerely believe it, but they have misinterpreted their vivid dream as prognostication.   
 

RD is probably being a tad extreme in his requirements. I have a simpler solution. Simply get your psychic to tell me the numbers to pick in the Super Lotto for next week. That should be quite sufficient, and entirely conclusive. Please do not post the numbers on TNS, that would upset the experiment. Just send them to me in a message. Many thanks!
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As science is a continuation of new discoveries, lets hope that we are not biased so to blind our discoveries.

Also I'm very interested to find more information about humans developing their sense of smell as dogs have, that could be very effective in medicine
So you see, Scientists, it makes scientific sense that dogs can smell (in effect) cancer, and it makes sense that Dr Kincheloe can subconsciously smell certain chemicals in the women he treats and may even have some sort of allergic reaction to it.




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Experts say that in order for mirror neurons to fire and trigger empathy and compassion, an individual must see the suffering person. But this is a shortsighted view (no pun intended), because it cannot account for instances of profound empathy and compassion in which vision or any other physical sense plays no role.

Consider the experience of Larry Kincheloe, MD, an obstetrician-gynecologist in Oklahoma City. I received a remarkable letter from him, in which he described how premonitions and bodily sensations sometimes set the stage for compassionate, empathic patient care. His experiences have led him to propose a new field he calls "intuitive obstetrics."

After completing his training in obstetrics and gynecology, Kincheloe joined a very traditional medical group and practiced for about four years without any unusual events. Then one Saturday afternoon he received a call from the hospital that a patient of his was in early labor. He gave routine orders, and since this was her first baby he assumed that delivery would be hours away. While raking leaves, he experienced an overwhelming feeling that he had to go to the hospital. He immediately called labor and delivery and was told by the nurse that everything was going fine; his patient was only five centimeters dilated and delivery was not expected for several more hours.
Even with this reassurance, the feeling got stronger and Kincheloe began to feel an aching pain in the center of his chest. He described it as similar to the feeling one has at sixteen years old and loses their first love -- an achingly sad, melancholy sense. The more he tried to ignore the sensation the stronger it grew, until it reached the point where he felt he was drowning. By this time he was desperate to get to the hospital. He jumped into his car and sped away. As he neared the hospital he began to feel better. When he walked onto the labor unit, there was an overwhelming sense of relief.

When he reached the labor and delivery area, the nurse was just walking out of his patient's labor room. When she asked why he was there, Kincheloe honestly admitted that he did not know, only that he felt he was needed and that his place was with his patient. She gave him a strange look and told him that she had just checked the woman and that she was only seven centimeters dilated. At that moment a cry came from the labor room. He rushed to the room just in time to deliver a healthy infant. Afterward, when the nurse asked how he had known to come to the hospital after being told that delivery was hours away, he had no answer.

After that day, Kincheloe started paying attention to his feelings. He's learned to trust them. Having experienced these intuitive sensations hundreds of times, he routinely acts on them. Usually by the time he gets a call from labor and delivery, he is already getting dressed or is in his car on the way to the hospital. He often answers the phone by saying, "I know. I am on my way," knowing that it is labor and delivery calling him to come in. This is now such a common occurrence among the labor and delivery staff that they use his chest sensations as a clinical tool in predicting when his patients will deliver.

Dr. Kincheloe's experiences suggest that physical sensations can mediate empathic connections with others, beyond the range of the physical senses. These physical symptoms are like psychic cell phones uniting a distant individual who is in need with someone else.


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very interesting.
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As science is a continuation of new discoveries, lets hope that we are not biased so to blind our discoveries.

Fear not!

Can't speak for others, but I can assure you that anything that gives me even the slightest edge at predicting future events will have my undivided attention.
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approx 6,500,000,000 billion people on the planet, - a 1 billion for people, children, babies who can't communicate well (you'll see why this is important)

24 hours in a day.

approx 8 hours sleep per day for one person.

24-8=16.

365 days in a year.

365*16=5840 conscious hours per year for one person.

5840*5,500,000,000=3.21200*10 to the power of 13. that's 32120000000000 hours conscious a year.

let's say 100 years is recent enough history to be considered reliable.

= 3212000000000000 hours that people have to do things in. chance of a miracle is 1 in 1,000,000?

3212000000000000/1000000=3,212,000,000 miracles so far this century! woohoo!

the actual maths is unimportant. the take home message from this is: when there are a ridiculously large, unimaginable number of people all experiencing and occasionally experiencing weird stuff with access to media which reports the weird stuff but ignores the normal, it begins to look like evidence where there is none. humans are very, very bad at spotting randomness. we see patterns where there are none. that's why we have science and mathematical analysis, because the mind is inherently faulty when it comes to finding the truth.
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As science is a continuation of new discoveries, lets hope that we are not biased so to blind our discoveries.

Fear not!

Can't speak for others, but I can assure you that anything that gives me even the slightest edge at predicting future events will have my undivided attention.

Despite the above, Mrs Geezer does have an uncanny knack of working the system. She takes advantage of the fact that luck is rather "lumpy". Gamblers really do have winning and losing streaks. The trick is knowing when to quit when you are on a losing streak.
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That's weird! My hand just shot into the air, quite involuntarily.
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