Have you ever had a Thunderclap Headache During Orgasm?

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« Reply #150 on: 30/09/2009 19:18:44 »
I am a 45 year old male. I think I found the solution and cure to orgasm headaches.

I started to first develop these during intense sexual experiences. When something new happens and you look for the reasons, usually it has something to do with what else has changed in your life. In my case the onset of this condition may have been caused by: weight loss (I have recently dropped 4kg (8.8 pounds)), anxiety and stress (working on a tough project).

My amateur view is that whilst these circumstances had an impact, the root cause of these headaches is a lack of oxygen in the brain, combined with a pressure build up in the lead-up to the orgasm.

Solution: During the sex act (either with a partner or by yourself) start deliberate, deep and regular breathing. Tell your partner before so that she (or he - not that there is anything wrong with that) does not freak out. This basically stopped these headaches.

This breathing is counter-intuitive at first. My tendency used to be to breathe less and build up pressure, perhaps because that leads to intense and explosive orgasms. I found however that the breathing technique prolongs the sex act and also leads to more controlled and longer orgasms. Rather than sharp and explosive, they are long, very pleasant and satisfying "releases". Your partner might appreciate that you don't have the urge to "bang" hard when you climax (unless she enjoys it in which case it may take some getting used to).

Hope this helps.

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« Reply #151 on: 18/10/2009 10:38:58 »
I'm guessing people will still be following this thread as it is - I can confirm as someone who has been experiencing this for just a week - such an alarming and seemingly common event.

I've been through most of the questions and searches in a short space of time that have been mentioned. I experienced the extreme head pain on the point of orgasm through masturbation, not long after getting off a longish flight. So naturally, I was thinking of blood pressure and suitably scared. The dull headache went on for most of the day, but more out of curiosity (and nature's helpfulness that means we forget quite quickly the actual experience of pain) I repeated the experience both the next day, and the next. Both times, having slightly less intense but still magnificently painful attacks, less significant in intensity yes, but certainly the second time, leaving me with a perpetual dull head that was debilitating.

You might ask why I would be so persistent when something had been so painful, but like others on here, I am in my early 40's, find myself with more sexual freedom, have learnt to experiment on my own and am relatively happy doing so. I have used a hand massager recently which provides external stimulation only, so all my orgasms are clitoral - and I'm wondering if there's a connection here... Again, like others, I feel like I'm only just at the beginning of my sexual discovery and often at orgasm think - although they're great - there is a lot of tension which doesn't completely get released. The potential of this being in some way connected to my experience seems quite high - the second and third time I experienced this pain, I stopped myself from climaxing. The pain in intensity was less, but the effects afterwards of dullness and acheyness following increased.

It's important I think reading through different people's posts, to identify if there is a connection with exertion. Mine are not. I did 3 sessions of moderate exercise during the week I was experiencing this and no pain.

It's vital to get checked out. I saw my GP, he was suitably concerned, said that even though it was a known sexually related phenomena, it also masked the symptoms of a brain bleed, so sent me for a CT scan. This was not particularly pleasant, mainly due to the UK health system which means masses of administration, being admitted to hospital as a routine, then the medic saw me to say my scan was clear. Asked me if it was so that my symptoms were activated on climax. When I said yes, he said well the obvious thing was just to avoid that then. I agreed, and said that's fine on a temporary basis but I'd persist to find out what caused it, and he said 'good luck'! Suggesting that once these things start they rarely go away. Well I'm not accepting that. But at least I am 95% certain that I have no alarming brain activity, have had my blood pressure checked etc. so I am free to experiment - if I have a good 24 hours of not doing anything afterwards to play with!

I have a history of postural difficulties for which I see a chiropractor. These vary, mine is excellent and come from an Australian practice - worth looking out for as their training seems to be different. He had seen me the day before I went away, so I went to him, didn't tell him immediately what had happened and asked him to check my posture. It was radically different. My neck had jutted forward and significantly to the left. (The head pain attack had begun at the base of my neck and spread up to the left, similar to lots of people on here). So I am now seeing him a bit more regularly to see if there is anything that can be resolved there.

I then went to see a friend who is a masseur. She reported severe knots in my upper back, right shoulder, left side of neck. I know she wasn't exaggerating, everything she touched in that region hurt like hell. It felt like every nerve ending around the base of my skull was a bruise and I became aware of how tense my shoulders were, like much worse than normal. So I'm trying to see here for another couple of times this week.

With the freedom of knowing I'm not about to die if I try, and seeing as it's Sunday and I can lounge in bed for a bit, I thought I would experiment with my hand massager. I put it on a lower setting and it was lovely, seemed like no problem. I watched my breathing cos I'm interested in that theory and am aware that my breathing is often too shallow and I'm in a rush maybe to get to the 'top'. So I slowed everything down. The pain began as i felt my clitoris really begin to swell and the first shudders work their way up my spine. But I breathed through it, told myself I was going to be okay. It spoilt it certainly, but I orgasmed and my head continued to pound unbelievably for about 5 minutes (I got off lightly so to speak). Interestingly though I was able to move about after about another 10, took myself off to get a couple of paracetamol (I have tried not to take them as I have taken so many this week, but thought 2 would be okay in return for a semi-satisfactory orgasm). All in all this is a drastic improvement and gives me a little hope for the future. 

One last connection/thread to something that has been said. About 1 week before this occurred I had had a cold. This is unusual for me and it appeared after the first of my longish flights. I had it for a couple of days only, but continued with nose bleeds through the week (this is not alarming in itself, I am a nosebleed sufferer, but still, always left nostril this time). Although I no longer have a cold, following each head attack I have been extremely nasal, just watery build up and an intensity on the bridge of my nose and in my left eye. There is a connection with the type of pain and what I remember from a long time ago as being sinus infection headache.

I am fascinated by the idea mentioned in a recent post of a connection between infection and this phenomena. I am thinking of investigating that further, along with continuing massage, chiropractic treatment and maybe more relaxation and breathing. Certainly the latter may help me in the long run with sexual enjoyment anyway, so when I'm feeling positive, I think it will all work out great. But this is a horribly alarming thing, scary, painful to the extreme and seems to hit everyone where it hurts, whether in long term, new or no relationships. How much undervalue does it place on us when a medical professional says 'it's not as if it has a major effect on your life', honest, that's what the medic said. I think everyone on here would disagree? But even if they respond in that way, the feeling you have when you know it's not a life threatening thing is absolutely crucial to how you go on to dealing with it so I just think to myself it's because he has no idea how it feels...
 

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« Reply #152 on: 25/10/2009 17:11:17 »
Has anyone ever experienced a "thunderclap" headache right at the time of orgasm?   I've had this happen a couple of times, and it happens almost spontaneously.

It can happen if the partner's husband walks in the door at the crucial moment and thumps you round the head.

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« Reply #153 on: 20/11/2009 11:19:43 »
Well, I last posted in April 2008 and I've had a year or so of relative freedom from this appalling thing. I say 'relative' because there's been a sort of ongoing 'near-headache' buzz or tension a lot of the time and, yes, a few occasions when the headaches proper returned - but usually just one-offs. Now, since August this year (2009) I've been back in the pits. All orgasms - and there haven't been very many - have been accompanied by bad headaches, and frequently by abdominal pain - aches, cramping - as well.

The 'good period' ended in August with a bang: I ended up going to hospital in an ambulance after a particularly bad episode, both the headache and the abdo pain were maxed out, I was literally on my knees, I was convinced something had gone pop, either in my head or belly, or both. They gave me painkillers and hooked me up to an ECG, nothing showed up on it and when the pills had kicked in they kicked me out.

What have I done about it since then? Not a hell of a lot. I'm a lot poorer than a year or two ago, so the Pilates classes and the osteopath I was going to are out of the window now - and have been for a while, i.e. through most of the headache-free period. So all my previous ideas about a link with exercise and muscle stiffness seem a bit lame now; I kind of hate to say this, because we're all looking for solutions here, but I was having headache-free orgasms while my neck and shoulders were in no better state than they ever were, in fact I would say I was more worried about them during that period than I was about the orgasm headache problem.

I'm trying to find a receptive GP at the moment, and get back to the neurologist I saw a couple of years ago. The abdominal thing worries me; maybe the surgeons really have messed up something muscular down there (I've had 4 abdo ops - mainly hernia repairs) and it's having an effect on circulation or something during orgasm - or, more accurately, in the immediate run-up to orgasm. The thing is, it's practically impossible to take all tension out of orgasm. You can try to be as relaxed as anything, think sensual thoughts, but there always comes a moment when the sexual excitement really has to kick in - you can feel yourself tense up to a certain extent, it's an integral part of the pleasure, a necessary precursor. Maybe it's me, but I've always orgasmed that way, doesn't everyone?

I'm going to experiment with both hydration - I find I am frequently dehydrated but oddly lack a thirst reaction - and oxygenation as per zoec's post.

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« Reply #154 on: 08/12/2009 11:11:02 »
Zoec, I think you're really onto something. There have been a few posts on this thread that have mentioned breathing as a factor, but until recently I've not seen it as a significant factor in my own headaches. You've made me think again, and what I've been reading lately definitely backs you up - AND it is having good results. Wish I could buy you a lot of beers.

I've been trying to nail down what actually causes the pain of a headache - any headache, not just coital. And, as I'm sure we all know, you plunge into a mass of information on all kinds of head pain & migraine, it's enough to cause one. I wanted to isolate one particular issue: if sex headaches are a form of vascular headache - i.e. related to blood flow - is it vasodilation (blood vessels expanding) or vasoconstriction (blood vessels contracting) that causes the pain? Both are often mentioned on headache sites, and it's not easy to generalise, as many of the body's systems seem to involve feedback loops of various kinds, where one thing happening will set off a reaction to oppose it, which might overreact or underreact, etc. - and things aren't always the same for the brain as for the rest of the body. But, on the whole, it seemed to be the dilation of cerebral arteries that most people think causes the pain at the end of the chain of events, so I was looking for things that cause vasodilation. One of the simplest is CO2 - carbon dioxide, which we have a lot of, dissolved in our blood, as the main waste product of body cells, eventually exhaled from the lungs and replaced with oxygen.

Generally, then, if CO2 relaxes artery walls, and you're not breathing enough for some reason, your blood CO2 is higher, and your arteries are more relaxed. If you hyperventilate (overbreathe), blood CO2 content is lowered, arteries tighten - in the brain, this can eventually lead to hypoxia (not enough oxygen), which is why you feel dizzy, and may faint. The effect is strong enough to outweigh the effect of the extra oxygen in the blood from the overbreathing.

I've read that anaesthetists use the fact that lower levels of CO2 in the blood cause cerebral vasoconstriction - i.e. narrowed brain arteries - during brain surgery: they slightly hyperventilate the patient to decrease brain volume and blood flow, so the surgery isn't hampered by excessive bleeding. It's also used with brain injuries generally, to reduce intracranial pressure.

Could it be that, during sex or masturbation, if we're tensing up, deliberately inducing tension, including by unnoticed, intermittent breath-holding maybe, we're inadvertently putting our brain arteries into a more relaxed, floppy-walled state than normal? So when the big blood pressure spike arrives at orgasm - or seconds before it - the amount by which they expand might be greater - and it's the expansion, most headache experts seem to agree, that causes the pain.

Breathing deeply - I don't mean going mad and hyperventilating to the point of blackout! - might therefore help prevent this. I know this is pretty simplistic; trawling round the subject on the net shows that the various bodily mechanisms and hormonal events around orgasm are quite complex. But it seems to work!

It also helps explain why, whenever I orgasm through sex - even if it's sex that finishes with masturbation - I never get the really bad headaches: they vary between moderate and none at all. I reckon it's because, during sexual activity, I breathe more. I'm generally more physically active during sex (i.e. more than just lying on my back!) and as far as I can tell, I don't do as much of the tensing-up, low-breathing thing. Even if I end up masturbating myself to orgasm at the end, it doesn't take anywhere near as long as solo masturbation because I'm already well aroused, so the tensing-up is either shorter or I just don't do it; the stimulation is coming in other ways. In fact, I often let myself breathe quite hard because I've noticed it helps turn my partner on - and vice versa; it's sexy to see and hear the effect you're having on someone.

I suspect that, when masturbating, I haven't noticed my tendency to under-breathe, even during a 'normal' orgasm (i.e. no headache), possibly because I'm breathing hard afterwards, to compensate, as I wind down. And I'm asthmatic, I don't suppose that helps. And when I get a bad headache, well, noticing anything except the pain goes out the window.

Now, this is going to be a personal thing: generally speaking, I over-tense during masturbation but not so much during sex. Someone else might tense during sex, or it might be position-related, or it might be a compensation for a position or technique that isn't 'working', i.e. isn't stimulating enough. I don't want to be rude or crude, but ever had a really rubbish handjob? Ever had to use your imagination - and physically tense up - a lot to sort of bring YOURSELF off, to make up for the lack of effective stimulation from your partner?

In other words, maybe we need to discover our own personal patterns of tension and breathing during sex and masturbation. It's amazingly easy to be totally unaware of what we're doing, we're often following established 'pathways' to arousal and orgasm.

Anyway, I've been trying deep breathing during arousal; out of 4 'experiments' - only 1 of which was actual sex - I've had mixed results: no headache on 1 occasion, moderate (2 out of 5 on my personal pain score) on 2 occasions, including sex, and a 3 out of 5. But on all these occasions, the onset of the headache has been delayed for around 5 seconds, and it's a lot less sudden, i.e. the pain, when it comes, doesn't crash in, it sort of ramps up. Now that is very welcome to me! It means I can actually enjoy the orgasm, even if I know some level of headache is coming soon. The prospect of pleasure has done a lot to lift the gloom and lack of interest in sex - which has sometimes seemed impenetrable, as I'm sure you will appreciate.

So, follow zoec and try to breathe more! It's kind of weird if you're not used to it. And I've noticed it sometimes seems to affect my erection a little bit during masturbation - but I just have to combat that with better imagination.

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« Reply #155 on: 02/02/2010 09:58:09 »
Hi. I'm 18 and a girl. =) This just happened to me for the first time around 2pm yestarday.
It was one of those that are sudden and happen the second the orgasm starts. My entire head was pounding and I had to put pressure on my temples just to get to the bed. (lol) I immediatly went to sleep and I slept for about 12 hours. I woke up about 2 hours ago and the pain receeded to a dull roar, but it's still there, in the back of my head, on the left side. It wraps from the middle of my head down around the bottom to my jaw.

I've been looking up all kinds of things on the internet, trying to figure out what's wrong with me. (That's how I found this site.) I keep getting mixed messages. Some say that it's nothing serious and others say I should go get an MRI. I can't afford to go to the doctor and I'm leaving for Basic Training for the ARMY next month. If there is something wrong with me then, I can't go and basically my entire life plan has to change. Does anybody have any advise other than go to the doctor?

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« Reply #156 on: 03/03/2010 23:32:00 »
I have also experienced this. It was so bad that I went to the clinic, they sent me directly to the hospital to ensure that I did not have a bleed in my brain or an aneurysm. The suggestion that seemed to help solve the problem is deep breathing exercises and try not to tense up the shoulder and neck muscles during orgasm. Also keeping the bedroom (or whatever room you happen to be using) on the cooler side and taking a two week or so break from orgasms and taking a couple of Ibuprofen about an hour before sex may help to prevent this from happening. My doctor also gave me migraine meds to take immediately afterward to prevent the resulting migraine.
Good luck and happy headache! :)

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« Reply #157 on: 05/03/2010 16:23:07 »
Headache is really major problem,your views can be very helpful.Thanks.

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« Reply #158 on: 06/03/2010 15:28:14 »
Masturbation makes you feel headache. Masturbate also makes your brain become dull. I suggest you to drink 2 cups of green tea after masturbate. Green tea will remove the headache. The headache caused by masturbation is different from the usual headache that you got when you have fever. After masturbate (with semen coming out) the headache felt inside the skull. If there is climax ejaculation with climax semen is coming out from your sexual organ, you will get headache. If little semen or no semen is coming out, you will get no headache. I found that green tea to cure the headache by coincidence. I have suffered from masturbation headache more than a decade. Here is my story how I meet the green tea. One day I went to other country as a tourist and stayed in a 5 star hotel. It was the first time I stayed in a 5 star hotel. In the hotel I found green tea. I am not familiar with its taste. After going home from holiday I bought the same green tea. I masturbate as usual many times in a week and I drank the tea. After drinking I found that my headache diminished with one cup and vanish after the second cup. I was a bit surprised. First I thought it was coincidence but every time I drink the green tea after masturbate I found that my headache diminished or prevented before it obviously felt.

Here I give you the link about the green tea that I usually drink. It is OSK Japanese green tea. I recommend you to drink high quality Japanese green tea like this one because I am not sure about other low grade green tea. I masturbate thousands times from my childhood and I have suffered from headache more than 10 year before I found green tea. Thank to god who makes me meet the green tea by coincidence.

Believe my story. Try the green tea if you feel headache, tiredness, dreamless sleep, dehydration-like fatigue (actually it is not dehydration but you might feel like dehydrated after masturbate for a long period of time e.g. after months or years, even if you drink many cups of plain water won’t cure). Green tea helps the above problems but it does not cure erectile dysfunction.

Tips for preparing the OSK Japanese green tea to maximize its benefits.
(1)   Boil the tap water
(2)   Put the tea bag inside the cup (a cup which is medium or big size)
(3)   Pour the hot water into the cup. It is better that the hot water hit tea bag while you pour it.
(4)   Use a spoon. Stir it left to right or right to left. Left to right and back to left is counted as one time. After that from left again move to right and move back to left is counted as 2 times. Stir at least 160 times or more or 200 times until it is deep green.
(5)   Drink it while it is still hot or warm. Finish it while it is still warm. After masturbate I don’t recommend you to drink it if it is already cool.
(6)   Make the second cup and prepare it as instructed above and drink it while it is still hot or warm.

My email is heinz4084@gmail.com

The link below is not my blog. It shows the pictures of the OSK Japanese green tea
newbielink:http://myyummycruise.blogspot.com/2007/07/japanese-green-tea.html [nonactive]

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« Reply #159 on: 16/04/2010 05:34:22 »
Hi all, 31 male here.  Experienced this headache for the first time about 4 days ago.  The first time it happened I was very concerned as I thought I was having an aneurysm.  This is a serious problem for me as my dad passed away suddenly from either an aneurysm or heart attack (we didn't do an autopsy, but doctor said it looked more like an aneurysm) when I was 17.  Have a family history of high blood pressure, yet mine is relatively normal (on the higher side of normal, but normal none the less).   

I've restrained from masturbation and haven't really done any major physical activities.  Today I tried masturbating again and thought everything was fine, but the pain was soon there again.  After finding this site and reading through the pages and pages and pages of posts I've started to see a common link between neck/jaw/back injuries.  About a month ago I went to the dentist after waking up with intense pain in my jaw and my jaw actually misaligning itself (dunno how it happened and the doc was perplexed).  After some antibiotics and a few days later my jaw was back to normal. 

A couple weeks ago, I was working and happened to throw my back out.  This is normal and usually occurs once a year.  After a few days I'm back to normal.  After having done the whole "Wii Fit" thing, I learned that I actually have really poor posture.  It should also be worth noting that the oak pollen has been extremely bad this year and while I don't have any "noticeable" symptoms, I still could be suffering from allergies. 

I've been wanting to get a scan done but I honestly just don't have the money for it right now (i do contractual labor and have no insurance).  Though I have a feeling it is something along the lines of neck/jaw issues.  Just thought I would share my experience and thank the other users for sharing theirs.  While I'm still concerned, I'm not freaking out AS much as I've had some jaw/neck/back issues recently (not to mention lots of stress in my life lately).  Going to go about seeing a chiropractor and getting some posture improving shoes and see if this helps, all the while saving up for a scan. 

Will try and repost any updates!   

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« Reply #160 on: 26/04/2010 17:56:03 »
I have been experiencing headaes exactly as you describe--now 4 times.  Thunderclap lasts about an hour or two followed by migraine lasting 5-6 days.  CT scan clear.  What have you done for this?

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« Reply #161 on: 11/05/2010 22:15:09 »
Hello All.  I've read through most of these links, and I thought I'd share a few things.  I am currently in this "thunderclap" state.  As soon as I get fairly close to an ejaculation (I'm a 48 year old male), KABOOM!!  The pressure and throbbing at the back of my lower head, at the top of the spine, is very close to unbearable. worst headache I've ever had, by far.  Painful!! Worst time for this, too, as, well, you know how great an orgasm is!  Man, I feel at times that this is the Big Guys way of stopping sexual encounters. Seriously it makes the thought of sex scary. And it happens upon getting close, you do not have to actually "fire your gun", so to say.

This is the third time in my life that I have had this cephalorgasmic(coital) cephalalgia.  The good news is, for me, it only lasts about one week.  Then things all return to normal, and I can enjoy sex again.  It will go away for most of you!!  It had been around 6 years since my last episode.  Lasted one week, then had 6 years of pain-free orgasms.  I'm on day three now, and tried to "enlarge" myself, ...... big mistake.

I am very glad to read about the breathing part, as I do hold my breath when nearing climax, and that is precisely when the pain begins.  And yes, I do fall into the injury category.  On my 40th birthday, I had two bicycle wrecks, and in my late 20's had been thrown from a Jeep, landing on my head and making my neck sore for quite a while.  Can't wait for this thing to go away!!

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« Reply #162 on: 24/05/2010 18:18:30 »
Back again with some updates. As of day 9, decided to see if this problem was still present, after abstaining for the past week, and ........it still resulted in a migraine. Though not quite as intense, but very bad still.  Intense pain did subside after a ten minutes.  Waited 4 more days, and BINGO! I experienced absolutely no headache!!!!!!!!  So this lasted for a full two weeks, hopefully gone for good.

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« Reply #163 on: 26/09/2010 07:21:17 »
So to be clear, possible causes for the benign thunderclap pain (clear CT, lumbar, MRI, MRA):

High blood pressure
Sinus/tooth/ear bacterial infection
Hormonal imbalance
Anti-depressant interaction
Overweight/diabetes
Stress/tension
Pinched nerves connecting brain to spinal cord

Did I list them all? Trying to eliminate obvious ones.

My first attack was simultaneous with orgasm at elevated altitude. Second was three days later, one hour after receiving a flu shot and 30 min after taking Relpax (no sex or exertion). I am living in mortal terror of the next one....still suffering from lingering pain three days later.

Thank you to all serious posters for your info, especially oneeyedguy and the other suggestion about bacterial toxins. I have low blood pressure, no history of migraines, but chronic sinus infections. Please help!

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« Reply #164 on: 05/10/2010 04:52:51 »
I posted some time back about bacterial infection or inflammation in the head causing this problem. Almost 2 years ago, wow, time flies!

I am pretty sure my theory is correct. But I think the focus should be on inflammation rather than on an infection, although an infection can also be a possible cause.

I have not tried using antibiotics to clear up infections/inflammation in the head. But I don't have the problem any more. After starting to get these headaches, I stopped having sex for a long time, until recently, when I found that I didn't get them during sex.

I used to have a longstanding large abscess in my upper jaw behind my teeth which I had for several years. I also used to have several sebaceous cysts on my back, one of which was about 3cm wide and 1cm high (huge!), and which would regularly get inflamed, and I had had these cysts for several years, during the same period of time I had the jaw abscess.

Since earlier this year, I have started on a mostly organic food regimen, or rather, a regimen of avoiding as much GMO foods as possible. Unfortunately, it is practically impossible to absolutely avoid GMO foods.

The abscess in my jaw cleared up completely. And to think I had been suffering with inflammation, pain, swelling, pus oozing and bad breath for so many years! Now, all gone. The large abscess on my back burst and, after draining its contents, healed nicely, without any sebum filling it up again, which is what would always happen to my sebaceous cysts no matter how often I squeeze out the fat.

Occasionally now, my old jaw abscess would swell up for a few days. That is usually whenever I have eaten out and had probably taken some GMO food unintentionally. And, every time, after several days of cooking at home and eating in, the abscess goes down to zero. My abscess has become a gauge of sorts, swelling up the next day whenever I happen to take any GMO food.

So, my cure, I am sure, was going on the non-GMO foods regimen.

There have been no proper studies on the long-term effects of GMO foods on human health. Whereas, only the short-term effects on laboratory animals of consumption of GMO foods have been observed, and most of these effects are not nice at all, some downright nasty, but these results have reportedly either been altered or suppressed. The US FDA has approved and sanctioned masses of GMO foods and GMO food derivatives, allowing them to be introduced into the food chain. GMOs, both the crops and their derivatives and the foods they are made into, are exported throughout the world and can be found in every country. We are eating large amounts of such foods every single day.

Going on a non-GMO diet is very, very hard. Almost everything in the supermarket, including some fresh produce, contain GMOs.

Ever since the 1990s, over 80% of our foods contain GMOs. Also, ever since then, there has been a persistent epidemic of all sorts of chronic health problems.

There are many stories of personal experiences, which you can find on the Internet, of the effects of consumption of GMO foods. Here is just one victim's story: newbielink:http://aspartame.ca/page_a9br1.html [nonactive]. The main website has a lot of info on Aspartame and GMOs. I have had other bad health problems too, which stopped after I stopped taking another GM food, but I won't go into detail here.

What could be the possible connection between consumption of GMO foods and coital cephalgia? Inflammation.

It is believed that GMO foods sets up an allergic reaction in the body of a constant inflammation state at the cellular level. Since this abnormal inflammation is so pervasive, the body probably cannot deal with it efficiently, or perhaps cannot use substances which it does not recognise. The liver and kidneys are either unable to process these substances, or they cannot cope with the inflammation. Instead, these substances accumulate in the body and/or cause a reaction, creating all kinds of chronic health problems, such as pockets of inflammation. If you have inflammation in the head, then you may get the coital cephalgia.

Nano-particles, e.g., have been found to accumulate in the liver and kidneys in large amounts, indicating that these waste processing organs had attempted to process the nano-particles but were unsuccessful. And, yes, we are already also ingesting/absorbing nano-particles through mass-produced consumer products. Many sunscreens and cosmetics contain them.

What you can try: Avoid GMO foods. If you can avoid the Big 4 GMOs, you will be able to cut out about 90% of these foods from your diet. The Big 4 are Corn, Soy, Canola and Cottonseed. Alert: each of these or their derivatives can be disguised as other names in ingredient lists, with their source almost always never stated.

For starters, cut out Aspartame. No Diet Coke/Pepsi/sodas, or any kind of diet drink or diet food, or anything that says low-sugar or sugar-free or sugarless (e.g., almost all breath mints contain Aspartame and/or Acesulflame). No artificial sweeteners of any kind (Equal, Nutrasweet, Splenda, Sucralose, Sweet N Low, etc). Aspartame can cause diabetes. Try laying off Aspartame and all artificial sugars (another one is saccharin) for a few days and see if you still get the headaches.

No spreads, such as jams or peanut butter (make your own). No soft drinks or cordials or sweet drinks of any kind (talking about manufactured drinks). No foods containing high fructose corn syrup, corn syrup, golden syrup, liquid sugar, fruit sugar, fructose, glucose, sucrose, dextrose, maltose, maltodextrin, maltitol, sorbitol, xylitol, and many more sweeteners (they change/disguise the names all the time). No foods made from or containing phenylalanine (many candies and even vitamins contain this). No ascorbic acid, a Vitamin C manufactured from starch. Almost all of these are made from GM corn. In fact, no foods made from or containing any form of corn or corn derivatives. Another name used on labels for corn is maize.

No reconstituted or filled milk or 'fortified' milk. No foods made from or containing soy oil or vegetable oil or containing soy derivatives, such as lecithin. No foods containing vegetable or soy or hydrolysed protein, among other names.

No margarine or soft butter or dairy spread. No non-dairy creamer in any form (made from Canola oil). No Canola oil or any food made from or containing it.

No Cottonseed oil or any food made from or containing it.

No MSG or any foods containing it.

If in doubt about the source of some of the ingredients on packages, the safest is to not buy the product.

Consume foods which are as close as possible to its whole form or as found in nature.

Good luck!
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« Reply #165 on: 19/10/2010 16:55:19 »
Hi all,

I just had my first thunderclap headache with orgasm, and definately see from this blog that there are overlapping antecedents to the migraine to what I experienced. What we need to consider are medications we are taking, other symptoms present prior to migraine, and understand that migraines are often, if not typically a result of sudden vascular dilation.  Here is my experience:

- I have had a mild sinus headache and symptoms of a cold for 2 days, and have been taking OTC sinus medication.
- I am also on an SSRI antidepressant that is known to increase difficulty of achieving orgasm in men and women (not ED, but difficulty climaxing). Thus, I have had to "work harder" than usual to achieve orgasm regardless of the circumstance
- I had 3 cups of coffee this morning (caffeine is a vaso-constrictor that may want to consider as a factor that could enhance the vasodilation that occurs during orgasm
- This morning, my wife and I were in a rush but started making love. It was taking awhile to climax...  I had to work exceptionally (mentally and physically) to climax
- I experienced a massive headache immediately before and during orgasm
- I ate 2 aspirin, used cold compress, then took hot shower to open sinuses.  1 hour later, I still have a mild headache and some nausea

From my experience and from your postings some of the common themes are: sinus issues, rushing/working harder than usual to climax

Other factors to consider:  caffeine consumption prior to sex; OTC sinus medication ingredients; SSRI antidepressant medication

hope this helps
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« Reply #166 on: 07/11/2010 21:34:07 »
Update on my headaches since last post (Nov 2009). At that time I was concentrating on breathing techniques, and they have definitely helped, though the 'success rate' - i.e. relatively headache-free orgasms - has been patchy. I've been frustrated at the lack of consistency of any of my 'counter-measures'.

Then I read this: newbielink:http://casereports.bmj.com/content/2010/bcr.10.2009.2359.abstract [nonactive]

This is just a summary of a full medical report that you'd have to pay about £30 for, and I haven't. But the basic story seems clear: a guy who suffered from orgasm headaches for years on end cured them by making love to his wife while she was pregnant, thereby exposing himself to the considerable amounts of progesterone women produce during that period (8-10 times higher than normal cycle). His doctor prescribed progestogen medication to continue after the birth.

I had already done some reading on the role of hormones, without coming to any hard conclusions (I'm pretty scientifically literate I think, but some of this stuff is full-on). There's quite a lot of material on the web about the link between oestrogen and headaches, e.g. newbielink:http://premenstrualmigraineprevent.com/ [nonactive]

And there's a fair amount on 'oestrogen syndrome', a condition where the balance of progesterone and oestrogen in both men and women (both sexes have both hormones) is upset by the presence of xenoestrogens and phytoestrogens, i.e. potentially harmful chemical and plant-based compounds that have oestrogen-like effects, such as insecticides and herbicides used in agriculture, PCBs, preservatives, plasticizers, parabens, detergents. Both men and women can end up overloaded with oestrogens. Women are the obvious candidates for major falls in hormone levels, during menopause, but men's levels of progesterone - which is necessary for the production of testosterone - fall in middle age too. Not as drastically, but it is implicated in prostate enlargement among other things. One solution offered is natural progesterone cream.

Well, cut a long story short, I decided to try it. I ended up here -  newbielink:http://www.progesterone.co.uk/menandprogeserone.htm [nonactive] - which makes for interesting reading, and I've been using it for about 2 months now, and I haven't had a bad headache with orgasm since then. I'm not claiming a cure, nowhere near. The feeling of tension and 'near-headache' I've been having more or less constantly lately is still there. I still feel I need serious ongoing massage to neck and shoulders (can't afford it though, in London you're talking £40 a session for any serious masage), and once or twice I've had a minor intensification of this dull buzz after orgasm. But no headbusters or anything near.

2 months isn't long - I've had a period of natural remission that was longer than that, and in any case we're not talking very many orgasms in total, maybe 1 every 5/6 days, say 10-12 (God, did I ever think I'd be posting my orgasm frequency on the web?!) - but I'm cautiously optimistic.

I'm in no way recommending the use of the cream - that's a personal decision for everyone, in a way it's practically HRT for men; I'm just relating my experiences. There are several websites promoting progesterone cream for men; many of them seem genuine to me. There seems to be a general opinion that yam extract isn't as good as the 'natural' progesterone creams but on the other hand all these products seem to be plant-based (I guess the only truly natural progesterone is produced in the body) which is why I've used inverted commas.

There's no denying that this isn't accepted mainstream medical treatment but in my opinion it's not utter quackery either. I think the effects of hormones on our health in general, especially male health, are poorly understood, certainly by most men. We usually attribute 'hormonal' behaviours and symptoms to the opposite sex, but I've often had a sneaking suspicion that men aren't as constant in this respect as we'd like to think - and if the environmental oestrogens are as powerful as some say, then it's perhaps no surprise that more and more men are exhibiting symptoms of an excess of feminizing hormones - fat retention, 'manboobs' (gynecomastia) - and headaches. I don't imagine xenoestrogens cause orgasm headaches all by themselves, but I think headaches/migraines may result from a build-up of factors which, when they 'overflow', lead to illness.

One more thing: since reading about oestrogens, and various chemicals that mimic oestrogen, I've been thinking about what I use. And I have to admit that both baby oil and Vaseline have played a big part in my sex life - well, my solo sex life, certainly. I've used them as lubricants and because they just felt sexy! But maybe rubbing these substances into my cock several times a week hasn't exactly helped? I've certainly stopped now.

Does the progesterone really work? Are these creams just placebos? I don't know. But I've noticed a marked shortening of my temper, increased feelings of anger and competitiveness since using the cream - I've had to be a bit careful not to snap at people! If it is getting into my system - and the websites agree that via the skin is by far the best way (oral ingestion would lead to most of the dose being filtered out by the liver) - then an increase in testosterone would be expected. I've had no other signs, no increase in libido - but then that's a very fraught area since the headaches began.

Anyway, I'm still breathing! And now, rubbing in the cream once a day. I hope it works, I'm not ready to surrender sex and the whole erotic side of life just yet. I'll try to update sooner than 11 months' time...

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« Reply #167 on: 22/11/2010 16:08:50 »
Some of you may want to look for the POIS (post orgasm illness syndrome) thread
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« Reply #168 on: 02/12/2010 06:33:14 »
First, don't give up. Many of these headaches simply go away in time. And even if they don't, there are various ways to deal with them.

Talk to your doctor and discuss your family history. Often, you'll find that a history of migraine may give you a clue about the cause.

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« Reply #169 on: 23/02/2011 19:39:51 »
Re blinding, searing headaches alongside arousal/orgasm. I know I won't care much when I'm dead, but what an embarrassing sort of mess for someone to find when they come home from work.(Stroking out, batteries dead, me too) Can't help but wonder what the relationship is within the vascular system that leaves me feeling as though someone has taken my brain out of its safe casing and tossed it into a flaming wok. Getting so that the 15 second orgasm is not worth the three hour headache.

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« Reply #170 on: 16/03/2011 11:23:57 »
I started getting these about 4 years ago. I curl up in a ball and hold my head. Freaked my girl out the first time it happened. I thought my head was exploded. I only get them after drinking a little too much the night before. Kind of during the hangover headache. I feel it start to build as I get ready to ejaculate. if I feel it coming on. I stop and just have a dull ache.
Im glad I found this page to know other have had it also. I dont get them less I had been drinking. I was wondering if anyone else here have the same circumstances?


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« Reply #171 on: 16/03/2011 11:30:56 »
I just found this on Wikipedia, what a blessing!

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« Reply #172 on: 07/06/2011 18:22:42 »
   First of all I want to thank all of you for your insight on this most concerning topic.

   I did not realize reading through the first four of five pages that the majority of you were women? Suffice it to say that revelation actually turned me on. However, in light of my very new headache issue I'm not nearly as thrilled about that as I would have been a week ago. lol

    I am a healthy, fit and sexually active 44 year old male. About a week ago, for the very first time, I suffered the dreaded "back of the head" headache during masturbation. It happened just before ejaculation and was as severe as any headache I have EVER experienced. Frankly, it scared the hell out of me. Next day, the very same story. I have not seen a DR. as has been advised by some of you as of yet. I may very well do so if this continues on for very long. I also have not told my wife about this episode. She is not as sexual as I am so I am hoping to "cure" the problem before intercourse will take place. I can satisfy her other ways and avoid intercourse for the time being.

  Again, you guys have described my problems to a tee here and I FEEL MUCH BETTER about it now than I did this morning..  It has really consumed my thoughts the last few days. 

I believe the term Coital Cephalagia is how it is mostly described throughout the internet?. I hope it goes away on its own as many of you have said it may...  I will keep you updated. Thanks to all for sharing as I know how personal this is.   
   
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« Reply #173 on: 29/06/2011 14:19:28 »
Update since last November: I've been continuing with the progesterone cream but if I'm honest I'm using it only about once or twice a week. I'm still doing the deep breathing leading up to orgasm. Two new things: I'm now getting proper massages - and finding out just how inflexible and unfit I've become this last ten years or so! - and I'm deliberately leaving it longer between orgasms. This seems to help quite a bit.

I've read a lot around this subject - I'm guessing we all have - and there's a fair bit of stuff out there talking about the enervating effects of ejaculation. I must admit, I've largely ignored it, mainly because it's not what I want to hear. These bloody headaches are ruining my orgasms, the last thing I want to read about is how orgasms are somehow 'bad' for you anyway. But spacing things out does appear to work. I'm talking sort of 2-3 week gaps here, whereas previously it was 2-3 days. Still a far cry from teenage years, when it was 2-3 hours some days... But, not to put too fine a point on it, spacing 'em out means a better experience all round: better erection, more arousal, more satisfying orgasm - and, crucially, less head pain.

It might all be down to the effects of the massage on my appalling posture (forward head posture, upper crossed syndrome, whatever, I'm so round-shouldered it's untrue & this makes my neck ache) - or the progesterone - but I don't think so. Oddly, what seems to work best is to aim for a longer, more drawn-out experience during sex, not worrying particularly about erection coming and going, concentrating on my partner much more gives a really satisfying 'return', i.e. turning her on turns me on. And during masturbation, the opposite: aim for a short experience. Get aroused quickly, bring it to a quick conclusion, sort of not giving the headache much chance to build. And you can't do that if you're doing it too often. It can end up being 'hard work' - and that's maybe a big part of the problem? I dunno - it's a bit paradoxical, but I'm just reporting what works at the moment.

Overall, I'm having more good orgasms than bad, roughly 2 to 1. By 'good' I don't mean always pain-free, but some of them definitely are absolutely pain-free. Others are still accompanied by the general background 'buzz' of borderline headache, which sometimes intensifies a bit at orgasm - or, more usually, thanks to the breathing, some seconds afterwards. And then there are the proper headaches - still delayed, mostly - which make me think I'm making no progress whatever. But I am; it's patchy and frustrating and sometimes seems to follow a pattern and sometimes not, but I am enjoying sexual activity more often than not.

So I'm carrying on with the massage - and plenty of exercise - with a bit of optimism. Best of luck to everyone; never give up.

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« Reply #174 on: 29/06/2011 15:12:42 »
Do you even know what causes your headaches? Sure it may appear when having sex, but like all of us, headaches are caused by blood rushing to the head.

Out of curiosity, are you using Viagra?

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« Reply #175 on: 29/06/2011 15:16:08 »
What I am saying, is just because you have a headache during sex does not necesserily mean that the sex is causing your pain. Viagra loosens blood flow, so after sex, just after the orgasm, the blood is racing through your body at a much higher rate than usual. Not to mention, blood clots, or even cancer can lead to headaches. Please don't specify your problem to such a simplistic form of catagorizing.

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« Reply #176 on: 23/07/2011 14:28:30 »
Gosh, I though I was some kind of freak getting so much pain in my head when I orgasm! Good to know I'm not the only one (and you can't really talk about it or expain to your client why you'd rather chop you head off than keep it on!)
Thundercap has happened to me about 5 times now during climaxing and immediately before - I've tried relaxing my neck and shoulders and not tense up, but when the thundercap comes on there's nothing I can do to stop it.
Last one I had was a full 7 days ago and the headache just wont stop - I cant keep taking strong painkillers at night just to be able to sleep, and am struggling to do my work etc., etc.
The pain seems worst on the left side of my neck to the cap of my scull and benind my left ear and left shoulder, L'm wincing at every hearbeat as the pain pulsates.
Gosh I sound like a real whinger - but am at my wits end! Please don't send me to the doctor - he'll give me asprin or something equally useless!
By the way I'm a woman, 51. It seems mostly men suffer and many around my age. I haven't read much about it going on for this long though.
Help & advice on this prolonged problem will be much appreciated.
Thanks all xx M
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« Reply #177 on: 01/09/2011 17:03:20 »
I am a 59 year old female who just experienced a Thunderclap Headache during orgasm 3 days ago.  I was stunned.  It's never happened before.  It FREAKED ME OUT!  It's happened twice since and I kept wondering if it was a precursor to a stroke.  I have been googling all morning and just found this link.  I'm astonished at how many people experience this.  Like everyone else, it's just prior to climax.  The first time was during sex.  Then twice after during masturbation.  Frustration does not BEGIN to cover my feeling about this.  Last night was the worst because it ended up being so severe, it felt like someone was shoving knives into my eyes!  The pain kept up for a while and I had to take an Alieve to get it to calm down.  Anybody have any suggestions for how to make this better, what causes it, etc.?  Thanks!

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« Reply #178 on: 30/09/2011 18:52:37 »
I am a 59 year old female who just experienced a Thunderclap Headache during orgasm 3 days ago.  I was stunned.  It's never happened before.  It FREAKED ME OUT!  It's happened twice since and I kept wondering if it was a precursor to a stroke.  I have been googling all morning and just found this link.  I'm astonished at how many people experience this.  Like everyone else, it's just prior to climax.  The first time was during sex.  Then twice after during masturbation.  Frustration does not BEGIN to cover my feeling about this.  Last night was the worst because it ended up being so severe, it felt like someone was shoving knives into my eyes!  The pain kept up for a while and I had to take an Alieve to get it to calm down.  Anybody have any suggestions for how to make this better, what causes it, etc.?  Thanks!

Read this and listen to me

My wife died just under three weeks ago from an orgasm that was so intense she had a brain aneurysm and died....

This is serious business and I want you to go get an MRI immediately.  This is not something to play with.. I wish we had a warning sign, but I am left alone to ponder  as a 47 year old woman shouldnt died

David

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« Reply #179 on: 05/10/2011 22:48:08 »
Some developments - and hope? - to let you know about. Here's a brief summary of how I got here:

• April 2007: First orgasm headache aged 46, male, 6ft, 15st/240lb, after abdominal op. Took up Pilates for neck/shoulder tension, also started to see osteopath
• Dec 2007: 1st post on this board
• Feb 2008: CT scan to rule out aneurysms, malformations etc: negative. Acupuncture, which helped my eyesight but not the headaches
• Apr 2008: after bad flu, headaches begin to fade even tho neck still not good. WTF?! Saw nice neurologist who said keep an orgasm diary.
• Jun 2009: they're back, with a bang —> hospital with a massive one + abdo cramps. Have given up all osteo etc - can't afford it. Start paying attention to breathing, as per Zoec's advice. Oxygen constricts brain arteries, CO2 dilates them, so if dilation=pain, oxygen is good? Seems to work!
• Nov 2010: Breathing strategy having only patchy success; I spotted a case report in the BMJ - newbielink:http://casereports.bmj.com/content/2010/bcr.10.2009.2359.abstract [nonactive] - about a guy whose sex headaches go away whenever his wife gets pregnant, so his doc gives him a progestogen pill & it works in between pregnancies. I start using progesterone cream - it seems to work, but we've been here before...
• June 2011: Spacing orgasms by weeks, having more 'OK' ones than bad ones but neither cream nor breathing is a magic cure, the headaches still seem random - and there's a constant 'buzz' of borderline headache. GP has prescribed Sumatriptan, dreadful: felt like I was having a heart attack. Referred to neurologist No.2, he prescribed calcium channel blockers, diltiazem - why? They were rubbish, made headaches worse. They relax arteries, so why would they help?

Right, up to date. I'm afraid physically I feel I'm back to square one, just had another massive head-and-stomach job like June 09, had to call ambulance, it was so crippling. And once again, hours in A&E until pain eases off a bit, then home. Back to GP, back to neurologist, hoping for nice No.1, maybe it'll be No.3?

Trying to review my approach to coping with this bloody condition, it seems to me that, just as I think something's working, it stops working. I'll leave myself alone for 3 weeks, follow all my guidelines, breathe properly etc, and whammo, I get the big ache. The BMJ report I found on the web still seems the best hope, so instead of just reading the summary, I bought the full text, it makes very interesting reading. It turns out the guy in question was getting the Type 3 sexual headache, ie the ones that build up after orgasm, in his case about 20 minutes afterwards, and pounding for 3 days! Not the explosive-at-orgasm-then-gradually-fading Type 2s that most of us on this board suffer from. Still, his headache relief matches up with typical female progesterone (P4) production during pregnancy, ie from 8 weeks after conception until delivery - so it seems it's definitely the P4 that's helping. The article, oddly enough, is a bit inconclusive on the actual mechanics - it seems clear to me that he is getting exposed to his wife's P4 via sexual intercourse - how else? The article says:

'Close cohabitation and absorption of progesterone through touch and smell could be the beneficial mechanism. Progesterone could also be absorbed per urethra during coitus, but this would not explain the beneficial affects of the compound after non-coital sexual activity.'

Hm, touch and smell? Anyway, in between two pregnancies, he persuades his doc to prescribe him  P4 pills after trying 8% progesterone cream rubbed into the top lip and nostrils - which doesn't work - and another drug, the dopamine agonist bromocriptine, which also fails. The actual drug he gets is norethisterone, used in contraceptive pills. He takes one (5mg) about 30 mins before sex, and gets 95% relief from pain. Sometimes he waits, and takes 10mg a few minutes after sex, ie in the 20-minute window before the headache starts, and gets 100% relief!

The guy's symptoms were more than just the headache - which was a pounding sensation felt across his whole head, with no nausea or vomiting - he also suffered, amongst other things,

• Photophobia
• Increased muscle tension and irritability
• Anxiety and impaired cognitive functioning
• Difficulty concentrating
• Nightmares
• Fatigue, especially in the mornings

All of which look a lot like the Post-Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS) discussed elsewhere on this site. There is clearly a lot of overlap between the two conditions. He took the oral norethisterone for about 9-10 months, seemed to tolerate it well, didn't seem to suffer side-effects and had relief from his other symptoms as well as the headaches. They tested his progesterone levels during his wife's second pregnancy - ie while he wasn't taking the pills - but didn't find them raised above the normal range for a male.

I'm still working out the implications of this, but one thing seems clear: the cream doesn't necessarily work, at least not for everyone. But the finger of causation - or at least, a finger - is still pointed squarely at the body's endocrine functions. Of all the complex, interreacting hormones, norepinephrine (noradrenaline) seems to stick out as capable of provoking headaches - eg in this case report - newbielink:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2148749/ [nonactive] - (link to full text PDF available) when norepinephrine mixed with dental local anaesthetic causes a series of sudden, intense headaches. Norepinephrine certainly spikes at orgasm, but not everyone gets the headaches. There's clearly something else going on. Either we get way more norepinephrine than most, or something else potentiates it, eg a blood pressure spike, or the pre-existing state of our cerebral arteries.

You'll have noticed a lot of sites, such as herballove.com, drlin.net, cure-erectile-dysfunction.org, actionlove.com, talking about hormones and neurotransmitters in terms of 'burnout', usually as the alleged result of 'sexual exhaustion' or 'over-masturbation'. I'm not sure I take their claims at face value, given that a) they appear to claim that practically every hormone we've got is 'destroyed', 'disabled', out of whack in some way, b) they all end up selling you a nutrition potion and c) I simply don't believe I have ever been sexually exhausted, certainly I've never masturbated to the alarming levels described in some of their case studies! But I am quite stressed out, have had really bad sleep because of shift work, feel a lot of anger and depression at times - not just over orgasm headaches. So I don't dismiss their claims entirely; they may be onto something.

And I'm off to my GP asap, to get referred back to a neurologist. And I'll ask, why have I never yet, in 4 years, been prescribed either of the two drugs most often quoted as effective in sexual headache - propanolol and indomethacin? And can I have a trial of oral norethisterone, please? I suppose I could always go to my local Family Planning Clinic and ask to be put on the progesterone-only Pill...

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« Reply #180 on: 28/10/2011 07:15:29 »
Yes, I had this happen once or twice, and it really hurt but went away in about 5 minutes. Although I didnt worry about it at the time, it can sometimes be caused by serious things according to the Mayo clinic, such as basal artery dissection.

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« Reply #181 on: 02/11/2011 06:36:26 »
I joined this forum like many others because i have been having these headaches. I am 18, Male, physically fit, and have no signs of high blood pressure. my fist headache of this type happened about a month ago. it started happening more and more and now it's every time I have sex or masturbate. I NEVER had a problem with this before and to know that every time I try and have sex this will happen.. well it F*@<ing sucks!

Writing this I have a headache from masturbating. my doctor gave me this med called indomethacin. I tried it tonight and It makes me impotent and it doesn't help with the pain. The pain is a headache that lasts anywhere from an hour to a 24hrs. It begins and ends at the back of my head at the top of my neck.

I know that people think it could be vascular and i'm starting to think that is the problem.

LISTEN UP because I'm about to tell you something that hasn't been said on this thread yet... A bit more than a moth ago I started donating plasma. A BIT MORE THAN A MONTH AGO I started having this problem!!!!!! It makes sense RIGHT?! I donate on mondays and wednesdays. this would do something to the blood pressure! I'm no expert on this but to me, this makes sense!

 I'm going to stop donating plasma for a month and see if this will solve my problem. I will write back every week and let you guys know how it's going

(2hrs later)side note: The plasma center where I go to donate tells it's people to stay very hydrated before and after donating to avoid headaches. I do not drink water like I should. one more reason to stop donating. I really want the money for gas but at the cost of not being able to have sex... Screw donating!

I'm going to get a cat-scan asap to see If there is bleeding

Some glimmer of hope for my sex life!
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« Reply #182 on: 22/11/2011 09:23:19 »
I was reading a few articles on the internet and most say these headaches are nothing to worry about but some with the pain down the bottom of your head and neck can be a possible problem.  I'm going to attempt to attach a link but i'm new here. So bare with me lol. I have other headaches so when I had a horrid one last week just prior to orgasm it only scared me but my bf also. I suffer what the believe are migraines but also have intracranial hypertension. Basically it's an increased cerebral spinal fluid production which puts too much pressure on the brain and spinal cord yada yada.

newbielink:http:// [nonactive] newbielink:http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/sex-headaches/DS00645 [nonactive]


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« Reply #183 on: 16/01/2012 04:18:52 »
i thought i would add my experience to the collection...  I am 21 years old, male, i remember getting a handful of orgasm headaches about 3 years ago   and they mysteriously vanished after a week or two.  Last week i was running, i was pushing myself harder than usual and all of a sudden got a throbbing headache in the center of my head that felt like it was pulsating from the center of my head out to the sides. It seems to be in rythmn with my heart beat.  it lasted for about an hour and slowly disapated. The next night, after i had ran the day before, i experience that same headache at the moment of orgasm and it lasted for about an hour as well. I don't typically get head aches, and I wasn't exerting myself like when i was running, i was rather relaxed, i was receiving some enjoyable oral sex until it ended in a throbbing head ache. So im convinced that its the very act of orgasm that has given me the headaches, because its happened the last three times even when i had very low levels of physical activity.

am i a rare case being so young and  experiencing this?  and i also saw that this is something typically experienced by females? any thoughts there? could i have injured blood vessels in my brain when i was running?  i have been experiencing minor head aches hear and there, outside of the sexaches, ever since i ran.  I have rarely experienced headaches before this.
they are very uncomfortable but they are not as painful as i remember when i had them three years ago.  So this makes me feel like they will probably go away but i have no idea if this is something i should take more seriously.

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« Reply #184 on: 30/01/2012 17:31:01 »
You may not like this: I'm beginning to think orgasm headaches might have something to do with a heart defect. A very common heart defect; ever heard of patent foramen ovale, or PFO? I'm guessing not; I hadn't come across it until I started looking for possible causes of my sex headaches. Well, it's a 'hole in the heart', but not the most serious type. Apparently, 1 in 4 people have a PFO! But they don't all have orgasm headaches... Please bear with me on this, bit of medical stuff first.

You can look this up in detail - newbielink:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0002102/ [nonactive] or newbielink:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrial_septal_defect [nonactive] - but basically the foramen ovale is a channel in the heart between the two upper chambers - the right atrium and the left atrium. Why is this hole needed? Well, before birth, oxygenated blood from the mother via the umbilical cord flows towards the baby's heart along veins, which enter the right atrium of the heart. It doesn't then take the normal route via the right ventricle and the lungs, because before birth your lungs are full of fluid, so the pressure in that whole 'loop' to the lungs and back to the left side of the heart (and then out to the body), is too high. So there's a hole with a sort of cat-flap of tissue - the foramen ovale - that lets it flow straight through.

When you're born, you cry and your lungs start working. The pressure in the loop drops and blood now flows via the lungs, picking up oxygen, back to the left side of your heart. The cat-flap closes and, over the next few weeks, seals up. Well, it does for 3 out of 4 of us. In the others, the flap remains open - or at least openable. This is what's meant by 'patent', so: patent foramen ovale.

It sounds serious but, for most people, it isn't. In healthy people, the blood pressure in the left atrium is generally higher then the right, so the flap stays closed. People who have dangerous, life-threatening 'holes in the heart', 'blue babies' etc, are usually suffering from much more serious defects. So what makes a PFO ever open up? Well, anything that changes the pressures. Serious lung disease can cause pulmonary hypertension, i.e. high blood pressure in the 'loop' via the lungs. this will raise pressure in the right atrium. Alternatively, anything that raises pressure in the left atrium - e.g. plain old high blood pressure - can cause blood to flow from left to right. If this keeps on happening, the right side of the heart gets overloaded with extra blood and this can cause pulmonary hypertension. When this gets high enough for the pressure on the right side to be higher than the left, the flow of blood (known as a 'shunt') reverses and you're back to a R-to-L shunt situation.

OK, enough anatomy. What problems are caused by this? Well, you've got de-oxygenated blood crossing over and getting pumped round the body. In chronic cases, this causes cyanosis (blueness), fainting, kidney problems, heart failure. But what if the high pressure is temporary? It's well known that increasing the internal pressure of the chest cavity (known as a Valsalva manoeuvre) can cause this, and in fact it's part of the diagnostic procedure for detecting a PFO. The patient is asked to exhale against a closed glottis, i.e. holding their breath. Then tiny bubbles are injected into their bloodstream and an echocardiogram looks for the bubbles passing through from one side of the heart to the other.

Temporary Valsalva manoeuvres include straining during defecation, coughing, sneezing, clearing your ears during a flight, even laughing or just bending over. And - sometimes - having an orgasm. There are lots of references in this forum to tensing, straining, involuntary breath-holding during sex and masturbation. What if some of us are 'opening up the cat-flap' during sexual activity? Heart-rate is already increased, blood pressure is already up. If this sounds far-fetched, read this - newbielink:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migraine_surgery [nonactive] - on the possible link between PFO and migraine headaches. Many people have had their PFOs closed by insertion of an 'occluder' via a catheter, and reported reduced or banished migraines - but the picture isn't that clear; others have had the procedure without success, some have even reported worse migraines. Anyway, here's a quote:

In certain scenarios, such as when a person sneezes, the pressure in the left atrium decreases and the flap over the still-present foramen ovale opens temporarily. When this happens, blood is able to bypass the lungs and therefore the filtration process in the pulmonary system. There are at least 4 theories as to how this defect leads to migraines.

Toxic circulation:
Early speculation regarding this link centered on the idea that, because blood bypasses the detoxification process in the lungs and reenters the circulatory system uncleaned, this "toxic blood" may contain various substances that then trigger migraines. There is speculation that one of these substances is 5-HT, more commonly known as serotonin.

Micro-emboli:
There is speculation that microemboli that develop in the venous system pass through the PFO and are able to reach the central nervous system. The paradoxical embolism then reaches the cortex, triggering cortical spreading depression, a phenomenon that leads to migraines.

Genetic linkage:
One study has found a genetic linkage between migraines and PFOs. It was found that PFOs have an autosomal dominant pattern of inheritance, and that migraine with aura appears to be coinherited in some families.

Atrial natriuretic peptides:
It has been shown that the changes in interarterial pressure that occur with a PFO cause an increase in atrial natriuretic peptide (ANP), and that the ANP concentration in migraineurs with aura is lower than the concentration in control subjects. A study has shown that when the cortical spreading depression phenomenon was induced in mice, ANP was expressed in the brain. As well, ANP levels are elevated in patients with a PFO. All together, this suggests a possible correlation between ANP concentration and migraine with aura.


One further thought: during the build-up to orgasm and immediately afterwards, the body produces a lot of hormones and neurotransmitters. They must be secreted into veins; how else can a blood-borne chemical from a particular gland reach the bodily circulation except via veins to the right side of the heart, then via the lungs, then out to the whole body via the left side of the heart? Is it possible that some of these substances bypass the lungs via a PFO in the period leading up to and immediately following orgasm, especially when a Valsalva-type event is taking place? And is it possible that their concentration is thereby increased? - after all, the lungs are recognised as one of the sites where breakdown of such chemicals occurs. My prime suspect is still norepinephrine; it's known to spike around orgasm and it's known to cause severe headaches and abdominal cramps - my symptoms exactly. And heart palpitations; while it's normal for one's heart to beat more strongly during sexual activity, I've noticed mine thudding away really heavily during very headachey orgasms.

And maybe that's why propanolol sometimes works for orgasm headaches - it's a beta-blocker, it blocks the action of norepinephrine and epinephrine. I'm sure the picture isn't quite that simple. Maybe we just have increased levels of some of these hormones, and the PFO thing is a red herring. But one of the things that's baffled me on this forum is that some of us are healthy young men and women. I can understand older, less fit people getting symptoms during an exertional activity like sex, but there are people on here who work out in gyms - maybe there's a clue there? And why is the occurrence of headaches so frustratingly random? - just when you think you've found something that works, it stops working. Maybe the opening of a PFO is a bit unpredictable; maybe it's related to exertion, breath-holding. But there's a lot to chew over, and I'm sorry none of it is particularly inspiring; who wants to suspect a heart defect on top of an embuggerance like sexual headaches? But we're naked scientists, right? Unwilling, maybe, but we've got to go where our research, experiences, or hunches, take us. I have a neurologist appointment 14 Feb; I'll report back.

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« Reply #185 on: 30/01/2012 21:28:57 »
newbielink:http://www.pfodoctor.org/pages/5/index.htm [nonactive] :
'How could a PFO trigger migraine? It is thought that certain vasoactive substances in the body (those that are active on blood vessels) that are normally taken up by the lungs, could pass unfiltered via a PFO to the blood destined for the brain,  triggering a migraine in susceptible individuals.   By closing the PFO, it is though that these vasoactive substances are prevented from reaching the blood vessels in the head, removing a major migraine trigger.'

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« Reply #186 on: 31/01/2012 02:25:49 »
I suffer from ThunderClaps and I also have a moderate sized PFO that my doctor wont close despite my already suffering from hemiplegic migraines which appear identical to Transient Ischemic attacks as well as regular cluster headaches following a neck injury following a gang attack back when I was a teen but I had never been to the doctor about it.

I know from my GP that I have an increased risk of stroke anyway but the specialist refused to operate as he said the op also carries a risk of stroke despite the crossover transfer of a large quantity of air bubbles during a cardio echogram like oneyedguy mentions.

The Thunderclaps are painful and the pain is a bit like a severe electric shock to the head followed by a dull painful ache.
It comes out of nowhere at the exact second of ejaculation.
I do hold my breath at this time also which is a habit I guess.

I'm just throwing these into the mix really.

For me it's

PFO Hole in Heart
Right Bundle Branch Block
Neck Injury (Thecal Compression of spine)
History Of Migraine
Daily cluster headaches
and last but not falling apart least fibromyalgia

Other than that I feel errr ok  :D
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« Reply #187 on: 31/01/2012 18:03:18 »
I would have to say I had a "Thunderclap" headache during climax.  Actually 3 times now. I am a female age 46 and I was freaked out enough that I went to the ER.  After a Cat scan that was negative, I was sent home with migraine meds.  I was using a vibrator for the first time and the headache was immediately after climax and the most severe headache I had ever had.  It made me grab my head in agony.  It settled down to just a bad headache probably 30 seconds after it started.  After the first Thunderclap it, it took 3 days for it to completely resolve.  The second time it happened, it was also immediate and intense but not as bad as the first time. The third time, the pain was somewhere in between the first and second times.

This forum had been very educational.  I am in the medical field and would also advise everyone to go get it checked out.  The first time it happens, you could easily think it was triggered by climax but there are plenty of worse things it could be.  Now that I have had a cat scan, I am assuming that it is a benign condition. 
I too am overweight and have back issues like some of the others.  I do not have hypertension and do not have a history of migraines. I do however have some sinus issues and unexplained headaches x about 35 years. 
Hope this helps

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« Reply #188 on: 07/02/2012 06:26:01 »
So, as just about everyone in here, I have begun to suffer from incredibly painful headaches upon orgasming.  I'm a 19 year old male, 6'2" about 245lbs.  A bit overweight but I'm in decently good shape and have been pretty active lately.  My first time experiencing the headache of this magnitude was while I was doing jumping jacks while working out.  The next day, I was with my girlfriend and when I orgasmed, I felt immense pain in my left temple just above my eye and then again today, I had the same issue.  I have a family history of high blood-pressure and I'm fairly certain I contracted lyme disease this past fall but I'll be heading to the doctor's hopefully tomorrow to get a blood test for it.  I was rather scared by this recent medical onset and am kind of relieved to find out that it's so common but less relieved to find out that there seems to be no solid cure or treatment for it.  At 19 years old, I hope to have quite a bit more sexual activity in my life and with these massive headaches that are seemingly overwhelming and nearly untreatable, I don't know how enjoyable it's going to prove to be.  Hopefully I can get it worked out and just get on with my life, it has never happened to me previously and I really don't like the idea of it becoming a long-term condition.  I don't really have many sinus problems as some people mentioned though lately I have been kind of ill with a very low appetite and a poor sleep schedule.  Wish me luck.  You all have my best wishes.

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« Reply #189 on: 07/02/2012 13:28:53 »
I think these headaches will eventually go away or become less in intensity.  In my experience, a lot of my medical issues resolve themselves over time.
Hang in there!


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« Reply #190 on: 28/02/2012 19:30:12 »
When I was 16, I had a ministroke after orgasm. I could not talk for about 4 hours, everything that came out of my mouth was mumble, and my right arm was numb. I went to the hospital & had many tests run, and it was confirmed I did have a ministroke on the left side of my brain.. doctors could not find a blood clot &I never told them it happened after orgasm because I was too embarrassed.   I am 18 now and I am fine, no high blood pressure, no more strokes, but I am overweight. Does anyone know what could have caused this? I live in fear everyday it will happen again and I'm just looking for answers! It will be greatly appricated. Thanks!

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« Reply #191 on: 29/02/2012 04:57:29 »
If you are on birth control, that could have caused a stroke. However, I would think the doctor's would of figured that one out.

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« Reply #192 on: 07/03/2012 05:18:01 »
I'm a 42yr old female.  I just experienced this for the first time!  I was, ahem, having phone sex, and I had my phone resting on my cheek (I needed both my hands :I), I had my head turned to the side, and when I came, this unbelievably painful, sharp stabbing pain hit me on one side of my head, it was throbbing and unrelenting.  It's still with me now an hour later, hopefully the painkillers I've taken will kick in soon.  I haven't read all the items in this thread yet, just the first page, but will keep reading to find an answer.  I'm thinking it's neck joint related?

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« Reply #193 on: 23/04/2012 04:50:27 »
I'm 38 yrs old and last year I had my first encounter with these types of headaches. During the beginning of an orgasm I would get what felt like an ice pick being stabbed into my temple. I would immediately lose the orgasm and have to grab my head because I felt like my head would literally explode. The first one lasted for 3 days and no amount of pain meds even brought the pain down. I went to the doctor, concerned as anyone would be and we did blood work as well as a CAT scan. Everything came back negative. He prescribed me something for migraines and told me to take it an hour or two before any sexual activity. I did just that and still had them. I went back to him and he prescribed something else, that still didn't work.

My husband and I tried to work on it ourselves, where I relaxed and the first sign of it I was to stop him and calm back down. If I kept a clear head then I was able to go through an orgasm with minimal pain. After about a month they went away. And I was a happy woman.

Sadly last week they started coming back again. But this time they hit and it hurts but in about 5 minutes the pain goes away with no medication. I think in the long run relaxation does help. Clear your mind, don't 'reach' for the orgasm, just let it happen. Hopefully that will help some of you. I'm going to start working on those same exercises again to see if it helps this time.

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« Reply #194 on: 04/05/2012 20:41:24 »
I thank you all for your posts I'm glad I'm not alone. Here is my story so far I hope you may be able to advise me what to do next.
I am a 41 year old male, a bit overweight and often anxious or stressed. I suffered my first thunderclap headache a week ago. It came on at orgasm within 2 seconds I was holding my head and I could not open my eyes. I panicked and went to A&E. They gave me a ct scan which came back clear, blood test came back clear, blood pressure, temperature, pulse and oxygen levels were all ok too. The hospital in Surrey Uk which I attended tried 3 times to give me a lumber puncture, but we're not successful. I went home still in pain but by the next day I went back as I was still in great agony. I agreeded to another lumber puncture test which was successful and the results came back clear on this also.
Now having been discharged from the hospital I have I think the side affects of the lumber puncture, a headache that only goes away when I lay down, pins and needles randomly anywhere on my body ( I think this could be nerves ), The pain in my head is behind eyes, bottom back of head and in the kneck.
I am scared to now have sex again and I like most enjoy sex.
I have been carrying lage weights on my arms in my job and have had pain in my chest, under shoulder blade but mainly in my neck for some time. I wonder if this has played its part.
Anyone who can relate to this or offer any advise I would be most grateful, I would not wish this on my worst enemy. Thanks for reading.

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« Reply #195 on: 06/05/2012 02:59:16 »
In my experience, the pain was less and less each time.  Now I don't have them at all.  Hopefully, that will be the case for you too.

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« Reply #196 on: 09/05/2012 23:19:44 »
I am a 22 year old female. I was having sex yesterday and I had an orgasm twice. The first time right before I climaxed I felt a huge pain in the back lower left portion of my skull, the headache lessened and I continued to have sex. I climaxed a second time and the pain from the headache didn't lessen or become worse (maybe I was more relaxed). I took some pain killers a few hours later and forgot about what happened. A few hours after that I began having stomach pains, like I was bloated which then turned into cramps like I was going to get my period. Once I got home I decided to masturbate to lessen the cramps, once I was about the climax the same exact pain in the exact spot happened.

Some others have mentioned issues about neck injuries and I am wondering if maybe this could be the root of the problem. A week and a half ago I was practicing a headstand in my yoga class and immediately felt like something was wrong in my neck. My neck was sore and stiff for a day or two then the pain went away. I did another headstand more recently and my neck felt stiff the next day. This is the only thing that is making sense to me since both incidents have happened very recently. 

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« Reply #197 on: 03/06/2012 14:55:10 »
I am a 50 year old male and just got out of hospital after 24 hours because of this,all they could do was monitor me and a scan plus medication,this is the 2nd time first about 4 years ago,dont know if it will happen again but its scary.

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« Reply #198 on: 17/06/2012 00:43:08 »
I am a 51 year old female, and I had the most frightening pain in my head two nights ago, which began very suddenly and severely, at the base of my head and spread throughout my head and settling in my temples, right before orgasm.  We stopped of course and I cried for a little while due to the pain which mostly subsided to a tolerable level fairly soon, and then I went onto the internet to search for what happened.  I called my ob/gyn the following day, since I'm 5-6 weeks postop from a partial hysterectomy, and this was my first time resuming intercourse with my husband, was told since it was my first time experiencing this pain, it was probably not anything like a stroke, etc. but to try drinking more water beforehand (something to do with vasoconstriction and dialation.)  She said if it occurred again, to see my regular doctor.  She said it didn't have anything to do with my hormones (I am not yet menopausal and still have hormones - and I still have an ovary and a small part of my uterus.)  After reading all the posts - I mean ALL the posts on this particular posting, tried a few things mentioned by other members on this forum, that I thought might be an issue for me.  I decided to try a few things.  we tried it again last night.  I realized I had been experiencing a very sore and stiff neck this week after straining myself around the house.  So my husband massaged my neck for me.  I also realized that maybe I was getting too tense during lovemaking with the build up, and made a conscious effort to stay more relaxed and paid attention to keeping my muscles more relaxed.  I worked on my breathing, making sure to breathe deep and regular.  I also made sure my head and neck were in a comfortable and supported position.  A few times when I began feeling my head become more achy or tense (a residue of a tight and achy feeling was left from the episode the night before) I massaged that place on my head.  We were successful and I didn't have another one of these horrible headaches!  I also plan to see my osteopath which does back adjustments and see if he can check my vertebrae - I'm sure I put my neck out this week.  I was very happy.  There were many helpful posts that helped me come up with the ideas to try these things.  Good luck everyone.

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« Reply #199 on: 13/07/2012 22:10:30 »
Hello,

The first time this happened to me I got up and staggered out of the room holding my thunderclapping head in my hands.  My girlfriend thought I was having a stroke and was going to call 911.  The headache went away fairly quickly though and I did not associate it with sex right then.  It did not take too long to associate it with orgasm though.  I avoided having sex, then started to lookup home remedies.  My last home remedy was to snort the capsacicin nasal spray.. quite an eye opener!!.  That really did not work either, but I had hoped.  I read through this discussion board several times looking for people to come up for an answer.  The one thing I did notice is that there were a lot of people who talked about the issue and then I never saw another post from them.  This will probably (hopefully) be the case with me.  It took a while but the thunderclaps and sometimes the 2 day headaches finally ended.  I found that if I abstained from sex for over a week that the pain was less intense, so thats what I started doing, and just dealt with it.  For me the thunderclaps finally stopped.  I took about 3 months, but now I'm about 3 months without it.  It was so odd and painful.  Why did it ever happen?  After it stopped, I kept bracing for it to happen everytime I had sex, then one time I just forgot that it was suppose to happen and that anxiety was gone.  So my message to so many that find this site, is that for me at least, it did just go away.  I feel very bad for anyone who has to go through it.  My best advise is to just abstain the best you can and hope it passes for you as well.  I read good things about capsaicin and had a capsaicin drink twice a day for about a month, but after the thunderclapping stopped I soon stopped  the drinking it.