What makes a fact true?

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« on: 28/12/2009 18:14:57 »
What makes a fact a fact?

It is well known that facts from the past have been overturned and proven to be false. So Hopw do we know that some facts from today will not be proven false tomorrow?

I am sure actually that some of them will, so how do we know when a fact is going to be true for eternity?

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« Reply #1 on: 28/12/2009 19:35:19 »
Only lawyers, Perry Mason and Inspector Clouseau talk about "facts". Anyone who declares something to be "a scientific fact" could be standing on thin ice.

Science has proven theories that are supported by experimental evidence. These theories may be revised, or even replaced, in the light of additional experimental evidence.
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« Reply #2 on: 28/12/2009 21:27:06 »
What makes a fact a fact?

Only the trust invested by the principal regarding his or her's accumulated information.

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« Reply #3 on: 28/12/2009 22:57:12 »
Maybe one should call scientific facts "temporary facts" and "currently true"?
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« Reply #4 on: 28/12/2009 22:59:45 »
Whether and to what extent fact and theoretic explanation can be considered truly independent and separable from one another?

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« Reply #5 on: 28/12/2009 23:13:31 »
Maybe one should call scientific facts "temporary facts" and "currently true"?

If we could make scientists realise, appreciate and work within that definition, we would be onto a winner :)
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« Reply #6 on: 28/12/2009 23:37:52 »
Ahem! I don't think real scientists use the term "scientific fact", or if they do, they are probably not very good scientists. I think the term is usually coined by those who know bu*g*r all about science.
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« Reply #7 on: 29/12/2009 01:31:23 »
Facts change all the time...and that's a fact !
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« Reply #8 on: 29/12/2009 01:36:00 »
Facts change all the time...and that's a fact !
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« Reply #9 on: 29/12/2009 04:10:56 »
Maybe one should call scientific facts "temporary facts" and "currently true"?
The only problem i can see with this idea is that already, every time I have a debate with someone about religion or similar i seem to get hit with something like "its called the THEORY of relativity, only a THEORY!" lol, i do like 'scientific fact' in such instances  [;)]
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« Reply #10 on: 29/12/2009 04:16:26 »
Article about the scientific method and so called 'facts'  [:)]:

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/articles/article/katarneycolumn6.htm/

My understanding in a nut shell is that a hypothesis gets upgraded to a theory (closest you can get to fact) following repeated testing by various scientists under a range of variables that could potentially affect the data, all still with the result that supports the hypothesis. For data to support a hypothesis it is subject to stringent calculations including p value where probability has to be high enough to be considered significant and not possibly by chance occurrence. This is evidence that it is true, and will remain true until (if it ever happens) new evidence that disproves it comes to light.

A matter of seeing is believing i suppose. Seems viable to me  [;D]
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"Suppose there's a significant proportion of people who are born because their parents were incompetent at using contraception. If there’s a genetic tendency to be incompetent or fumble at the crucial moment, then there would be, by definition, natural selection in favor of contraceptive ineptitude"

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« Reply #11 on: 29/12/2009 10:04:30 »
I guess it is worth remembering that really much of it is based on the difference between Inductive and Deductive reasoning. Theories are often based on inductive reasoning, which is why people always say "oh well it is only a theory" whereas deductive is based more on logical conclusion and more importantly validity.(P.S valid does not equate true) Sometimes theories are inducible and then proves by deduction,i.e gravity.
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