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Omid, that's a very interesting question, not only for bees There are Swedish studies proving that cell phones do penetrate the blood barrier of the brain. ...sorry, you cannot view external links. To see them, please
REGISTER or LOGIN What conclusions one can draw from this research?Use some common sense..Well, don't wear the phone near the family jewels Use a headset if you have one.If you like me use a laptop with a 'G3 usb-stick' to connect to the Internet, use the 'extension cord' that comes with it to create a distance between the usb-stick (receiver) and yourself. This one I see as most important as you will be exposed for a long time if you, like me, are an avid fan of the Internet and therefore will be connected for a longer period We are in fact experimenting with ourselves as we all over the globe use those kind of new clever communication gadgets.As for what the long time effects will be I can't say, and neither can anyone else. When it comes to f.ex radioactive transmissions some studies have found that for people living under a constant exposure of radioactivity the human body seems to be more adaptive (resistant) than when being exposed to sudden 'peaks' of the same? Don't ask me how that would work, but it is a statistical fact according to some sources (Iran).--Quote---The background rate for radiation varies considerably with location, being as low as 1.5 mSv/a (1.5 mSv per year) in some areas and over 100 mSv/a in others. People in some parts of Ramsar, a city in northern Iran, receive an annual absorbed dose from background radiation that is up to 260 mSv/a. Despite having lived for many generations in these high background areas, inhabitants of Ramsar show no significant cytogenetic differences compared to people in normal background areas. This has led to the suggestion that high but steady levels of radiation are easier for humans to sustain than sudden radiation bursts.---End of quote- ...sorry, you cannot view external links. To see them, please
REGISTER or LOGIN And as with all statistics you really will need a lot of it to show one way or another. Our Northern countries are 'blessed' in that way as we early on started to organize studies over our inhabitants without people feeling that those infringed on their privacy. Some countries take those kind of studies as intrusions on their right of privacy, but considering all the new electronic devices we introduce I think they are needed. Then again, other Countries don't have the same sort of centralized working bureaucracies that we have. One also have to remember that Sweden f.ex have been blessed with peace since its last campaign against Norway 1814. "By the Treaty of Kiel (January 1814) the King of Denmark-Norway had to cede Norway to the King of Sweden, due to the alliance of Denmark-Norway with France during the later phases of the Napoleonic Wars. This treaty was however not accepted by the Norwegians." But we let the Norwegians of the hook peacefully 1905 through a vote where Norway became independent. Not that we Swedes expected it but we at least honored the vote shown which talks in our favor And therefore we've have had a chance for stability few other countries have had. When it comes to bees? --Quote--A beehive is a complex system (one mother; several fathers; behavior changes with age during a worker bee's lifetime). I helped with a bit of research beekeeping decades ago, before DNA mapping; breeding study had shown that disease resistance in honeybees is partly managed by behavior tightly programmed genetically.(Bees from one inbred line cleaned only horizontal surfaces; bees from a different inbred line cleaned only vertical surfaces; each of those was vulnerable to disease organisms that built up on the uncleaned surfaces. They also had different circadian clocks (got up at different times of day. A normal hive with several fathers and good variety genetically would always have some worker bees cleaning every available surface.It's easy to see that dieoffs would happen whenever some organism got the "key" to successfully invade or infect honeybees; their variability so far has helped assure natural selection will leave enough surviving queens and drones to repopulate. One way I think what's happening now is different: the avoidance of the hives by other honeybees and other insects; they don't immediately move in and rob out all the honey and stored pollen from a hive when a colony disappears.Heretofore it's always been a truism in beekeeping that seeing a lot of bees around a hive going away burdened is a red flag --- that particular beehive probably is damaged or sick, and has gotten so weak it can't defend its stores, and is being robbed out. That's what's new here as near as I can tell, just reading the popular press --- other bees and other insects avoid the hives when the colony disappears.They know something. Our problem is to learn what they recognize.---End of quote--There is a lively debate going on about it and in many ways it's similar to the one that once was about the effects of smoking. There is an incredible amount of profit involved in cellphones today. As a example a Swedish company went into one of the worst dictatorships known in Eastern Europe siphoning billions to an account owned, presumably, by a lady but more probably going directly down some other pockets just to get a foothold in the cellphone industry there. The most embarrassing thing about it is that the Swedish state was a major stock holder in the company and that we have very clear anti corruptions laws. When asked about it the company declared that as soon as they had checked up this female individual their collective conscience was clear, and what that person did with their money was no longer a concern of theirs . And as it seems now, neither of our present choice of government.So, knowing this it's a safe bet to say that there will be a lot of money siphoned into denying this phenomena if it now will be shown to be true. The real problem with it is that most of those bee deaths seems to be related to Northern America and India so far and not so much to Europe where we have a large concentration of cell phones per area?Take a look here ...sorry, you cannot view external links. To see them, please
REGISTER or LOGIN but what it won't answer is how the cell damage came to be(e:)==Better clear that one up somewhat. What I'm thinking is that for a virus to come to be one also might have to look at what resistance to diseases in general that population had before, like if it could have been lowered by 'earlier unknown, or new, circumstances'. That doesn't mean that it has to be cellphones in particular that have caused it though. But one have to look to a lot of 'chains of cause and effect'. I suspect that it will be difficult to isolate the chain though, there are so much that can play a role? There have been studies showing that bees lose their sense of direction due to cellphones, but we can't take that as proof of the mass death of them.=== But when unsure, use common sense, and try to look at the sources for your information. sometimes the posts you will get up in a Google search will be the one 'pre paid' for getting a higher ranking. And depending on what the issue is and on how much money and profit there will be involved you need to pick your links with care The more money involved, the higher the risk that those first, ah, fifty links(?) will be, ah, biased? There are other way to manipulate rankings too, like 'nesting' links to the one you want to get a higher ranking etc. So when you're looking for something you deem important you might benefit from using several search engines based on different search algorithms. Google on it ===As for how, if it had to do with cellphones EM energy?"Honeybees have been shown to be sensitive to magnetic flux differences of 1 nanotesla (10 microGauss) [Theoretically humans could also be sensitive down to less than this level (pineal thermal noise c. 0.24 nanotesla - Smith, 1985). Various sea creatures can detect voltage gradients of a few 10's of microvolts/metre."Honey bees navigate by observing changes as small as 0.6% in the Earth's magnetic field (2.5 mG out of 400 mG). Other studies have shown that other animals, such as sea turtles and homing pigeons, can navigate using the Earth's magnetic field as a guide. In order to navigate to precision, it is necessary to have many magnetosomes with a permanent dipole moment which are able to maintain their direction in the Earth's magnetic field while being buffeted by Brownian thermal fluctuations.V.3. Animals: Honey bees follow B fields (Walker/Bitterman, J. Comp. Physiol. 157, 67-73, 1995, and Science 265, 95, 1994) down to a few mG DC accuracy and sea turtles turn when B varies at earth's locations (Science 264, 661 (1994).42. "Honeybees Can Be Trained to Respond to Very Small Changes in Geomagnetic Field Intensity," M.M. Walker and M.E. Bitterman, J. Exp. Biology 145, 489-494 (1989). (A)Take a look here for an alternative view ...sorry, you cannot view external links. To see them, please
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Why do you think the source is reliable?If there were even the slightest real basis for this the phones would be banned- the pollination by bees is more important than the phones.