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« on: 12/01/2006 22:14:40 »
Why do they move so slowly? Do they move slowly because of the weight of their shell or did they evolve the shell because they move so slowly?
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« Reply #1 on: 12/01/2006 22:33:16 »
What a great question.....Why would a tortoise need to run fast ?...hmmmm...to catch a fast moving dandelion perhaps ?...

I don't think I could run fast with a big shell on my back....I know Turtles can swim...can Tortoises ?...the reason I ask is because Turtles are aquatic and therefore can swim a lot faster than they can walk....but maybe Tortoises CAN move faster !...

Oh where are all the 'Speed of Tortoise ' experts when we need them ?

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Re: Tortoises
« Reply #2 on: 12/01/2006 22:49:37 »
I wonder if the reason why they move so slowly is tied into the reason why they live so long.

Do animals with slow heart rates live longer and move slower,and because they cant run from trouble evolution then gave them a shell

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« Reply #3 on: 13/01/2006 01:07:59 »
You try running fast with your legs stuck out at your sides in order to around the edge of your shell.

In fact, there are not many reptiles with the same efficiency of locomotion as mammals, although quite a number can do better than the tortoises.

What is even more interesting is why sloths are so slow.  The argument for sloths is that their diet does not provide them with enough energy to move fast, so the same may well be true for tortoises.  Another argument for the slow speed of sloths is that it improves their camouflage.  Again, one might ask if the same might be true of  tortoises.

The long life span, on might guess, in part derives from a slow metabolism, and in part from a lack of predation.  I'm not saying simply that it lives long because it is unlikely to be killed by a predator, but that there is very little point in developing a body design that can survive in excess of a century if you are likely to be on someone's dinner plate within a decade that would be wasteful over-engineering.

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« Reply #4 on: 13/01/2006 04:18:10 »
Well I think it's great that Tortoises are slow...they make excellent doorstops !





Ok roll on your 101 uses for Tortoises...discus ?..book ends ?

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« Reply #5 on: 13/01/2006 10:59:15 »
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Well I think it's great that Tortoises are slow...they make excellent doorstops !

Ok roll on your 101 uses for Tortoises...discus ?..book ends ?

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« Reply #6 on: 13/01/2006 11:36:24 »
I dont care how fast they move i just want one can you still buy them legally?

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« Reply #7 on: 13/01/2006 15:27:05 »
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I dont care how fast they move i just want one can you still buy them legally?

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I think you can but only from breeders here in the UK. As far as I know the banning of importing them has been in place for a few years now. If you have no luck in sourcing one, just buy a frozen meat pie and draw some legs on it ![;)]

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« Reply #8 on: 13/01/2006 22:01:05 »
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What is even more interesting is why sloths are so slow.  


I don't think that's more interesting at all [:)]
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« Reply #9 on: 13/01/2006 22:03:55 »
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I wonder if the reason why they move so slowly is tied into the reason why they live so long.



I've long held a suspicion that all hearts beat a certain number of times (forget about heart disease) and the faster the beat, the shorter the life-span.
This was sort-of confirmed by something I heard a while back (it may even have been on NS)
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« Reply #10 on: 13/01/2006 22:25:44 »
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I've long held a suspicion that all hearts beat a certain number of times (forget about heart disease) and the faster the beat, the shorter the life-span.
This was sort-of confirmed by something I heard a while back (it may even have been on NS)



I remember hearing that theory elsewhere before.

Ofcourse, that would imply that all of this exercise we should be doing is really shortening our lives [:o)]

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« Reply #11 on: 13/01/2006 22:35:43 »
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quote:
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I've long held a suspicion that all hearts beat a certain number of times (forget about heart disease) and the faster the beat, the shorter the life-span.
This was sort-of confirmed by something I heard a while back (it may even have been on NS)



I remember hearing that theory elsewhere before.

Ofcourse, that would imply that all of this exercise we should be doing is really shortening our lives [:o)]



I was talking about an average for the species
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« Reply #12 on: 14/01/2006 00:13:15 »
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quote:
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Ofcourse, that would imply that all of this exercise we should be doing is really shortening our lives [:o)]



I was talking about an average for the species



Yes, my comment was somewhat tongue in cheek.

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« Reply #13 on: 14/01/2006 03:06:19 »
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Ok roll on your 101 uses for Tortoises...discus ?..book ends ?

You could use them as frisbees that will always return to you.



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« Reply #14 on: 14/01/2006 12:16:55 »
Turn the tortoise upside-down & paint an arrow on it for a novel twist of "spin the bottle"
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« Reply #15 on: 16/01/2006 10:24:21 »
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I dont care how fast they move i just want one can you still buy them legally?

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If you fancy a "waterproof tortoise" do not buy a "snapping turtle",
if you wish to keep all of your digits:-
http://www.chelydra.org/snapping_turtle_handling.html.
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« Reply #16 on: 16/01/2006 13:30:28 »
There does seem to be a maximum number of heart beats that mammals live to which holds for most types of mammals... apart from humans, if I remember rightly we live to 2-3 times this limit, so it can't be all that hard and fast.

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« Reply #17 on: 16/01/2006 15:41:03 »
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There does seem to be a maximum number of heart beats that mammals live to which holds for most types of mammals... apart from humans, if I remember rightly we live to 2-3 times this limit, so it can't be all that hard and fast.



Humans, if living outside of the protection of human society, would probably not live half as long as we do.  Many other animals living within a zoo, or other sheltered environment, can extend their natural lifespan considerably.


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« Reply #18 on: 17/01/2006 00:14:00 »
If you look at a tortoise, it has a shell and quite a rough hide, and being able to withdraw into the shell would stymy most predators.
If they can move constantly in a direction they could basically follow the food chain.
Also being able to endure a period without,
The turtle is another matter, fairly omniverous and usually being confined to water, but able to venture off to find other watercourses etc.
 

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« Reply #19 on: 17/01/2006 04:15:31 »
So which came first, slow movement or the shell?
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« Reply #20 on: 17/01/2006 04:18:06 »
it was probably  a mixture of both

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« Reply #21 on: 17/01/2006 04:39:36 »
Without the bulk of an elephant seal or walrus, or the claws of a giant sloth, slowness of movement can be decidedly hazardous.
I may be inclined to agree with you, though, as even some fairly fast-moving animals have shells of a sort. Take the pangolin, for example. I would think the logical progression would be to get some kind of shell & then slow down. Slowing down without a protective shell, or bulk or weapons with which to defend oneself, seems to me to be a recipe for extinction.
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« Reply #22 on: 18/01/2006 17:23:58 »
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 Slowing down without a protective shell, or bulk or weapons with which to defend oneself, seems to me to be a recipe for extinction.



What about Slugs ? I made them as easy targets.

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« Reply #23 on: 19/01/2006 00:27:48 »
As slugs don't have any form of protection evolution has taken other route's in order to ensure survival of the species , Firstly slugs are active mainly during the night when most of the creature's that feed on them are not about. Secondly they are hermaphrodites,they are both male and female and do not require the assistance of any other slugs to breed (boring)And lastly i believe they produce large amounts of offspring ensuring that some will survive the year.

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« Reply #24 on: 19/01/2006 09:41:56 »
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Secondly they are hermaphrodites,they are both male and female and do not require the assistance of any other slugs to breed (boring)And lastly i believe they produce large amounts of offspring ensuring that some will survive the year.

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I realised they were  hermaphrodites, but I did not realise they were self-fertilising.  I had always believed that you did require two slugs to mate, but each would be fertilised by the other.

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« Reply #25 on: 19/01/2006 19:49:51 »
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I realised they were hermaphrodites, but I did not realise they were self-fertilising. I had always believed that you did require two slugs to mate, but each would be fertilised by the other.
George your quite right as not all species of slugs self fertilize ,some slugs still do require a patner.
 



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« Reply #26 on: 25/01/2006 14:17:14 »
who cares about slugs lets get back to tortoises

look how cute they are all together now aaaaawwwwwwwww

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« Reply #27 on: 27/01/2006 04:50:14 »
Ahhh they're so cute !!...who wants a game of conkers ? .....and I just get the feeling that the girly is just about to start juggling with them !!

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« Reply #28 on: 27/01/2006 11:10:58 »
your right neilep the full pic has another three in the air

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« Reply #29 on: 21/02/2006 01:29:36 »
they look awfully like little cornish pasties dont they, i like it when you bite through that crust into that nice meaty centre mmmmmmm
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« Reply #30 on: 21/02/2006 01:35:24 »
2 reasonably sized tortoises with their undersides glued together makes for an interesting game of 10 pin bowling.
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« Reply #31 on: 21/02/2006 01:41:18 »
penguins make perfect pins,you need a small variety like chinstrap or rockhopper,being black and white they are also very visible in low light conditions [:p]

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« Reply #32 on: 21/02/2006 21:02:14 »
That's definitely got olympic potential
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« Reply #33 on: 21/02/2006 22:44:49 »
Talking about chinstraps, you can attach a chinstrap to a tortoise to make a handy helmet. (As discovered by the Germans during WW2.)
 

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« Reply #34 on: 21/02/2006 22:52:29 »
A tortoise makes a nice alternative to a Jock Strap/Codpiece.....keep the Tortoise happy by  occasional feeding with lettuce and dandelion leaves...try not to be seen when doing this !!

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« Reply #35 on: 21/02/2006 23:17:56 »
perfectly okay to feed a tortoise dandilion or lettuce [8D]

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« Reply #36 on: 25/02/2006 03:37:52 »
a tortoise was found in my backyard...and i fed it ham, and it seemed rather happy.
 

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« Reply #37 on: 25/02/2006 03:47:13 »
WoW, it must have escaped from a tortoise re-hab clinic or something.

 What happened to the happy ham eating thing ?

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« Reply #38 on: 27/02/2006 12:16:48 »
You are all being very, very silly. Kindly cease & desist! [:D]
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« Reply #39 on: 26/04/2006 06:25:00 »
Hey , my son raises tortises, and has aquatic and land tortise's. He loves them. Heres an interesting fack, Totoises are one of the very few critters that can breath out ot their Butt! How the heck about that. I just found that out and find it quite odd. I read it in a flyer when visiting the zoo. Mind you not all turtles, but most of them can. I wonder what breeds do and don't.  They are so cute and they are everywhere here around the rivers. They band little box turtles here in california some years ago. We raised them as children, they were real cute. I must agree, but they were faster then these large ones. They are really slow!

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« Reply #40 on: 26/04/2006 18:29:59 »
Hey Karen.

It's simply sooooooooooooooper to see you investigating the rest of the site young lady !!

 Apart from just exhaling,......I wish I could breathe out of my butt , it would make snorkeling all the more easier and funnier to enjoy.[:D]...and synchronized swimming would be such an amazing spectator sport too [:D]....

...perhaps some one can invent a tortoise/butt attachment to make this a reality.

yes, yes i think it would work [:D]


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« Reply #41 on: 27/04/2006 08:16:01 »
You are so funny! But seriously isn't that a weird thing, I have honestly never heard of any creature past or present that breathed out of their butt, but then again, I am no expert on any animal, just happened upon that little tid bit!

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« Reply #42 on: 27/04/2006 15:13:19 »
Hi Karen,...lol, yes it's quite extraordinary... I would love for a 'Tortoise Butt Hole ' expert to comment here becuase how on Earth did it occur that a Tortoise can breathe via it's butt ?...and more importantly, should you have to resuscitate, one which end do you use ? [:D]

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« Reply #43 on: 30/04/2006 19:23:26 »
That is a good question and how do you know which ones can and can't, because as I said Most can. I wonder if it has to do with Land or Sea Tortises. HUMMM! I don't know about you but My vote is for the front end! My husband had to revive a fish that had sucked up a very large rock! Good thing it did not breath through its butt! He had to push it through the tank for a couple hours to force water through his gills after it basically suffocated. Tortise might be a tad more complicated ehhh!!

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