How old is alcohol?

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How old is alcohol?
« on: 19/11/2010 04:15:53 »
As a historian, I do not understand how alcohol was invented.  It is such a complicated process and it makes me wonder how far back it goes and how it was invented.  Anybody have an answer? 

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« Reply #1 on: 19/11/2010 06:50:05 »
" It is such a complicated process "
Someone left some fruit juice in a bucket and it fermented.
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« Reply #2 on: 19/11/2010 09:08:51 »
I'd go along with that BC.

You can try it for yourself. Get a bunch of grapes, or some other soft fruit with a 'bloom' on the skin, crush the fruit and put it in a fermentation chamber. It will soon begin to ferment. That 'bloom' on the skin is naturally occurring yeast.

I have done this myself in the long distant past.
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« Reply #3 on: 19/11/2010 14:16:43 »
Yeast probably "invented" alcohol long before humans got involved. 
 
I second what Don said about it being easy.  I'm drinking a pint of homemade IPA right now.   [;D]
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« Reply #4 on: 19/11/2010 14:24:40 »
I second what Don said about it being easy.  I'm drinking a pint of homemade IPA right now.   [;D]
Nice one! What, er, 'recipe' do you use?  [:)]

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« Reply #5 on: 19/11/2010 15:00:18 »
" It is such a complicated process "
Someone left some fruit juice in a bucket and it fermented.
I don't think you even need a bucket!

A very fond memory from my childhood is watching the drunken animal scene in "Animals are beautiful people".  Various animals (I remember monkeys & a warthog, I'm sure there were more) dine out on fallen fruit that's had chance to start fermenting.  Cue predictable drunken monkey antics.  Alcohol is very energy dense, so I suppose it's a good thing to consume if you are safe enough from predators.

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« Reply #6 on: 19/11/2010 15:08:50 »
Just found the clip - had never seen it before, thanks for mentioning it.  Hilarious; I know we shouldn't anthropomorphize - but great tv!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5E5TjkDvU0
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« Reply #7 on: 20/11/2010 03:35:22 »
Nice one! What, er, 'recipe' do you use?  [:)]

This one was 100% Maris Otter malt as well as magnum, amarillo and northern brewer hops.  It ended up at 7% ABV, but a bit to sweet and not hoppy enough for my tastes.  Unfortunately, the only bottles I can find in Singapore to package it in are 22 oz.  I think for the sake of my liver, the next beer will probably be 5% ABV max.

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« Reply #8 on: 20/11/2010 05:46:02 »
This one was 100% Maris Otter malt as well as magnum, amarillo and northern brewer hops.  It ended up at 7% ABV, but a bit to sweet and not hoppy enough for my tastes.  Unfortunately, the only bottles I can find in Singapore to package it in are 22 oz.  I think for the sake of my liver, the next beer will probably be 5% ABV max.

A just opened a wee bottle o'the 9.8 av beeen brooin' an it seems tae hae a bit o'a kick.

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« Reply #9 on: 06/12/2010 18:06:57 »
It was a popular, well by me it was, nature program on the telly showing animals having a good time eating fermented fruit from some tree, I think in Africa? It seems that every year they come together, knowing when it's time, to eat there :) Maybe some prehistoric human saw them and wanted to party too?
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« Reply #10 on: 06/12/2010 22:29:29 »
It was a popular, well by me it was, nature program on the telly showing animals having a good time eating fermented fruit from some tree, I think in Africa? It seems that every year they come together, knowing when it's time, to eat there :) Maybe some prehistoric human saw them and wanted to party too?

Is that how Orangutans got their name?

The drunken monkey hypothesis: the study of fruit-eating animals could lead to an evolutionary understanding of human alcohol abuse

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« Reply #11 on: 07/12/2010 19:32:31 »
See, were all a bunch of, sometimes, reformed drunkards :)
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« Reply #12 on: 08/12/2010 07:17:44 »
See, were all a bunch of, sometimes, reformed drunkards :)

How dare you sir! I am not reformed at all.
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