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This is somewhat, incredible. If this is not true, then it is one heck of an ellaborate hoax. But if this is true, then the footage you are about to see is probably the first genuine UFO footage of extratterrestrial vehicles. The story which follows is nothing short of miraculous, and the video afterwards was just by an accident which I had seen myself 4 weeks before the wiki release

http://stardrive.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2868:wikileaks-to-release-ufo-bombshell-or-more-dezinformatsia&catid=45:weird-desk&Itemid=103

A new report circulating in the Kremlin today prepared for President Medvedev by Russian Space Forces (VKS) 45th Division of Space Control says that an upcoming WikiLeaks release of secret US cables details that the Americans have been “engaged” since 2004 in a “war” against UFO’s based on or near the Continent of Antarctica, particularly the Southern Ocean.

According to this report, the United States went to its highest alert level on June 10, 2004 after a massive fleet of UFO’s “suddenly emerged” from the Southern Ocean and approached Guadalajara, Mexico barely 1,600 kilometers (1,000 miles) from the American border. Prior to reaching the US border, however, this massive UFO fleet is said in this report to have “dimensionally returned” to their Southern Ocean “home base”.

The fears of the Americans regarding these Southern Ocean UFO’s began, this report says, during the unprecedented events of July 11, 1991 (referred to as 7/11) when during the Solar Eclipse these mysterious aircraft appeared by the hundreds over nearly all of Mexico, even their Capital city. Most notable about the events of 7/11 were that as millions of Mexicans were watching on their televisions the National broadcasts of these UFO’s over Mexico City, the American media refused to allow their people to view it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKzzsM-__sg

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« Reply #1 on: 15/12/2010 03:58:56 »
It's a hoax, based on an offhand comment by Julian Assange that some of the wikileaks diplomatic cables involve talk about aliens:
http://news.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews/World/Story/A1Story20101210-251994.html

The hoax doesn't really even seem all that elaborate.  Someone just made up a story posted it all over various forums.

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« Reply #2 on: 15/12/2010 04:03:02 »
What about the video evidence which has existed long before the leak was released?

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« Reply #3 on: 15/12/2010 04:03:47 »
Not to mention all the mexicans who can either vouch or not vouch for this ''fleet'' which was indeed seen over mexico?

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« Reply #4 on: 15/12/2010 04:23:50 »
What about the video evidence which has existed long before the leak was released?

The evidence for this seems to be:
1) A home video of some blurry blobs in the sky (which look a lot like balloons).
2) An uncredited story without verifiable sources posted all over various forums about UFO fleets.
3) An comment by the Wikileaks founder that some of his documents contain dicsussions about UFOs (note that he didn't say they contain evidence).

I think the only reason this hoax gets any traction is because of the Wikileaks comment.

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« Reply #5 on: 15/12/2010 04:37:17 »
The footage is not nearly as bad as you are making out, and I think if they where balloons, they would not be as big - the unicon flight patterns as well are a give away that they are simply not balloons. Balloons don't care with geometry. Secondly, I think it be not wise to comment on the footage; that is not what is at debate here.

What is clear from the wikirelease is that the video has existed long before anyone concocted any hoax - which is one reason why I said this would need to be an elaborate hoax. For once, in all my years of hearing about UFO's being observed, I have actually seen evidence of this before the report was world wide. In fact, the video evidence has been there a lot longer than just 4 weeks, I do believe that video has been there for many years. In light of these facts, one has to assume that the video evidence is independant of the wikileak, even though at first this may seem obvious.

What one has to deduct now is whether

A) Millions of mexicans are liars

B) The video has provided a footstool for an elaborate prank on a mass-UFO sighting

Trying to disprove both A and B will prove exceedingly difficult. Proving the video was made for the wikileak would be even more difficult.

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« Reply #6 on: 15/12/2010 04:38:51 »
I suspect my antipodean pal failed to realize that all the "great truths" revealed on Wikileaks will be immediately swamped by a barrage of contradictory and confusing "great truths". The stuff they are exposing may be real enough, but they can't authenticate any of it.

Such is the nature of the Internet. It goeth both ways.

However, my main concern is that Assange is really only interested in lining his own pockets. I refuse to be drawn into any discussion that suggests he is merely trying to exercise his Johnson.

EDIT: BTW, I am currently hosting a (ahem) Wikileaks mirror. Pop me a PM if you want the URL.
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« Reply #7 on: 15/12/2010 04:45:24 »
JP

I hate to say it, but you would be making millions of people out to be liars. That video apparently was by no mere ''lone stab'' into the heart of the UFO world. There are more, diffrerent, more unseen angles to the potential ships. Here you can see the ''geometry of their flight patterns'' in even greater detail, a bit more disturbing in fact.

Please ignore the person who [posted the video] as they seem as a religious fanatic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T69te0M3CA

And there seems to be more videos which I might post.

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« Reply #8 on: 15/12/2010 05:01:12 »
JP

I hate to say it, but you would be making millions of people out to be liars.


They are not liars. If they believe in what the saw, how could they be liars?

The question is, as a scientist, can you provide any scientific evidence?
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« Reply #9 on: 15/12/2010 05:08:16 »
I hate to say it, but you would be making millions of people out to be liars.

Is there evidence aside from claims on the internet or in pro-UFO publications that millions of people saw and believe these to be UFOs?  Actual polls would be nice.  All the claims made in that story are pretty incredible and there is not one shred of solid evidence to back any of it up.  And no--youtube videos of white blobs in the sky is not evidence of anything other than that someone posted a youtube video of white blobs in the sky.

If I'm calling anyone a liar, it's the people who make up these hoaxes.

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« Reply #10 on: 15/12/2010 05:08:17 »
JP

I hate to say it, but you would be making millions of people out to be liars.


They are not liars. If they believe in what the saw, how could they be liars?

The question is, as a scientist, can you provide any scientific evidence?

I cannot provide anything to the contrary, which is always a good start. Meaningless speculations on the video never helps though. If millions had seen this, they certainly saw something, and whoever released the wiki information, released it knowing that millions have seen this.

(Though I am not sure if truely millions had seen it - but there should be no speculation that the video is somehow fake, unless the video was created for the wikileaks specifically, which seems highly unlikely.)

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« Reply #11 on: 15/12/2010 05:10:36 »
Then let us examine how elaborate the hoax needed to be to fool millions of people? As for polls, I would certainly believe there be something after the wikileaks information on the subject. Surely there will be a voice in the guadalajara mexico region which will either confirm the phenom to have happened or not?

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« Reply #12 on: 15/12/2010 05:18:49 »
Here we have another video... excuse the irritating music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jKN5pGY174&feature=related

In this one, we see an example of how the formation at guadalajara could have happened. This is a video evidence of a larger mothership ejecting smaller balloon-like objects. Of course, balloons don't act this way, as we see, it also has a formation in its flight patterns and has came in the dozens.

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« Reply #13 on: 15/12/2010 05:19:51 »
(Though later in the recent vid, there seems to be some video coverage of the mexican account)

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« Reply #14 on: 15/12/2010 05:21:56 »
I would have been fascinated to know what this interview was speaking about, but unfortunately I don't talk his language, mexican I believe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJDPK2dE1bM&feature=related

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« Reply #15 on: 15/12/2010 05:25:08 »
Here we have an even more interesting video of the mothership account - along the same lines as the brightly colored objects being ejected in the last video, thid video has them as though they where a dark liquidic form

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kegC5gg8TM&feature=related

The formation ends similar in which was viewed over guadalajara.

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« Reply #16 on: 15/12/2010 05:26:40 »
^^ interestingly, I just noticed, this account was in mexico as well, but happened much later in 2009.

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« Reply #17 on: 15/12/2010 05:31:19 »
QC,

Scientific evidence is not related in any way to a "majority vote". If it was, we would still be living in caves, if we were living at all (which I tend to doubt).

Assuming you believe that Einstein was not completely off his rocker, what do you think the result of a public poll that E=mC² would have been?
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« Reply #18 on: 15/12/2010 05:31:42 »
The thread was about wikileaks releasing secret UFO documents.  I think we should be clear that wikileaks has released nothing of the sort.  The story quoted in the first post doesn't appear to be based on any credible sources.  The only credible news reports I can find about wikileaks and UFOs are that the wikileaks founder made a comment during an interview that aliens are mentioned in some as-of-yet-unreleased documents.  The contents of those documents are unknown.  The one news source I could find cites "internet sources" as saying they're probably just diplomats talking offhand about aliens, rather than evidence of UFOs.  (Of course, "internet sources" are suspect.) 

My personal view would be that Assange is just trying to drum up publicity, which hoaxes like this are doing for him.
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« Reply #19 on: 15/12/2010 05:41:06 »
My personal view would be that Assange is just trying to drum up publicity, which hoaxes like this are doing for him.

So he can make money from it! The funny thing is that he's destroying any credibility he might have had in the first place, but that won't stop a lot of people from falling into the trap.

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« Reply #20 on: 15/12/2010 07:15:04 »
QC,

Scientific evidence is not related in any way to a "majority vote". If it was, we would still be living in caves, if we were living at all (which I tend to doubt).

Assuming you believe that Einstein was not completely off his rocker, what do you think the result of a public poll that E=mC² would have been?

Oh I never stated it was. I am saying something happened that day, and many people wittnessed it. If there has been a wikileak on the subject, it is not a hoax made with thin air, which is my point.

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« Reply #21 on: 15/12/2010 07:19:35 »
Assuming you believe that Einstein was not completely off his rocker, what do you think the result of a public poll that E=mC² would have been?

Pretty high I'd wager, since Poincaré, Hasenöhrl, and Planck all derived the equation before him in published works.

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« Reply #22 on: 15/12/2010 10:21:25 »
What I find amazing about all this footage of UFO's is that they all appear on YouTube and have been shot by some amateur.

Would you not think that at least one of the reputable news agencies would have taken up these stories? The BBC, CNN, ITN and certainly (given the Islamic undertones) Aljazzera?

Given the intelligence and ability of these ET's, would you not think that they would have contacted us in a language we can understand? Please don't tell me it has been suppressed by the US government. It may come as something of a shock to some, but there are other governments around the world apart from the US. Don't be so presumptuous to assume that ET would only speak to the US President. Even if it were the case that the all the governments of the world agreed to suppress this ET business (which i seriously doubt, since they have great trouble agreeing what to agree about some times), don't you think this highly advanced race could easily circumvent any such attempts by simply hijacking TV and radio signals and broadcasting to the world???????
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« Reply #23 on: 15/12/2010 13:48:13 »
Oh, yes! I remember the alien day. Wait no, i don't. It didn't happen :P

What one has to deduct now is whether

A) Millions of mexicans are liars

B) The video has provided a footstool for an elaborate prank on a mass-UFO sighting

Trying to disprove both A and B will prove exceedingly difficult. Proving the video was made for the wikileak would be even more difficult.

Or option C) Whoever made the report about the Mexicans seeing the UFO army over our heads, was lying.

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« Reply #24 on: 17/12/2010 13:10:28 »
Oh, yes! I remember the alien day. Wait no, i don't. It didn't happen :P

What one has to deduct now is whether

A) Millions of mexicans are liars

B) The video has provided a footstool for an elaborate prank on a mass-UFO sighting

Trying to disprove both A and B will prove exceedingly difficult. Proving the video was made for the wikileak would be even more difficult.

Or option C) Whoever made the report about the Mexicans seeing the UFO army over our heads, was lying.

Are you mexican?

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« Reply #25 on: 17/12/2010 13:12:23 »
What I find amazing about all this footage of UFO's is that they all appear on YouTube and have been shot by some amateur.

Would you not think that at least one of the reputable news agencies would have taken up these stories? The BBC, CNN, ITN and certainly (given the Islamic undertones) Aljazzera?

Given the intelligence and ability of these ET's, would you not think that they would have contacted us in a language we can understand? Please don't tell me it has been suppressed by the US government. It may come as something of a shock to some, but there are other governments around the world apart from the US. Don't be so presumptuous to assume that ET would only speak to the US President. Even if it were the case that the all the governments of the world agreed to suppress this ET business (which i seriously doubt, since they have great trouble agreeing what to agree about some times), don't you think this highly advanced race could easily circumvent any such attempts by simply hijacking TV and radio signals and broadcasting to the world???????

Some news agencies tend to not even let half the reports coming in in case of being shunned. Many reporters have reported themselves on this fact.

However here in Britain, some news agencies such as ITN have reported on a lot of UFO incidences, and you will in fact find many of them on YOUTUBE contrary to your belief.

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« Reply #26 on: 17/12/2010 17:47:05 »
QuantumClue:

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. There is apparently very little evidence here, much less extraordinary, so more simple explanations such as plain old tomfoolery, fraud, gullibility, and mass hallucination are much more probable. Me thinks you must be an Area 51 enthusiast.

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« Reply #27 on: 17/12/2010 18:22:15 »
I've often wondered why it is that the same people who believe videos of aliens are not fakes also tend to believe that the Apollo Moon landing videos are fakes.


Why is that then?  [::)]


BTW - did you know that "gullible" is not in the dictionary?
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« Reply #28 on: 17/12/2010 18:49:12 »
Who are you speaking to? I've never believed in the moon landing hoax.

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« Reply #29 on: 17/12/2010 19:43:02 »
Geezer:

Gullible is a good old handy word. Check out Webster's:

Main Entry: gull·ible   
Function: adjective
Etymology: gull + -ible
: easily deceived or cheated : readily duped <the innocents of those days were certainly naïve; they were gullible -- Bruce Bliven b. 1889>
- gul·li·bly \-blemacron, -li\ adverb

Citation format for this entry:

"gullible." Webster's Third New International Dictionary, Unabridged. Merriam-Webster, 2002. http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com (17 Dec. 2010).

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« Reply #30 on: 17/12/2010 19:56:59 »
QuantumClue:

You do, however, give credence to the great "Wikileaks reveals UFO fleet as a REAL WAR against US forces" hoax. Look, I am not trying to beat up on you here, but this is just very weak.

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« Reply #31 on: 17/12/2010 20:04:36 »
I am a logical person. I strive on logic.

What I have deducted, is that in comparisson to usual tactics used to create hoax's, is that this particular event which might have occurred, and which may have not, happened nonetheless with video evidence on the UFO fleet long before the wikileak was available. What seems apparent is that whoever created this possible hoax, used information already which was not well-known. That kind of tactic is usually not very fruitful. Atleast if you are going to make a hoax, let your hoax reach the ear of millions, not a few thousand.

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« Reply #32 on: 17/12/2010 20:21:19 »
Geezer:

Gullible is a good old handy word. Check out Webster's:

Main Entry: gull·ible  
Function: adjective
Etymology: gull + -ible
: easily deceived or cheated : readily duped <the innocents of those days were certainly naïve; they were gullible -- Bruce Bliven b. 1889>
- gul·li·bly \-blemacron, -li\ adverb

Citation format for this entry:

"gullible." Webster's Third New International Dictionary, Unabridged. Merriam-Webster, 2002. http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com (17 Dec. 2010).

Steve


Gotcha!  [;D]
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« Reply #33 on: 17/12/2010 20:26:55 »
Who are you speaking to? I've never believed in the moon landing hoax.

Actually, I didn't say you did, and I'm glad to hear that you don't.
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« Reply #34 on: 17/12/2010 21:03:55 »
QuantumClue:

If you are logical, what about having the video's appear prior to the news or whatever silliness convince you that this is more credible than just somebody who likes to stir things up to get attention? How do you deal with the claim that Wikileaks was just referring to earthly aliens, as in some guy from another country, which is much more likely without any evidence? What if the time between the two events were reversed in time? What if both are being created by the same individual or group? All these speculations are much, much, more likely than alien space ships. You need to reset your logic module.

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« Reply #35 on: 17/12/2010 21:07:44 »
Geezer, I tried to soften it as much as possible. What am I supposed to do under these circumstances. No real gotcha. Steve

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« Reply #36 on: 17/12/2010 21:32:24 »
Well, I ask a moderator locks the thread then. I certainly wouldn't want people to think I like to stir things up, so please, do me such a favor.

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« Reply #37 on: 17/12/2010 22:02:00 »
Well, I ask a moderator locks the thread then. I certainly wouldn't want people to think I like to stir things up, so please, do me such a favor.

No reason to do that. After all, this is the "That Can't Be True!" forum. However, TNS is a Science Forum, so I don't think you should be surprised that a lot of people here are very skeptical about some dubious "evidence" posted on Youtube.

If you want to believe that aliens visit Earth, that's entirely up to you, but you'll have to come up with something a bit better than this to persuade me it's anything other than complete baloney.
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« Reply #38 on: 17/12/2010 22:13:58 »
Well, I ask a moderator locks the thread then. I certainly wouldn't want people to think I like to stir things up, so please, do me such a favor.

No reason to do that. After all, this is the "That Can't Be True!" forum. However, TNS is a Science Forum, so I don't think you should be surprised that a lot of people here are very skeptical about some dubious "evidence" posted on Youtube.

If you want to believe that aliens visit Earth, that's entirely up to you, but you'll have to come up with something a bit better than this to persuade me it's anything other than complete baloney.

It is a disease as such, that scientists today may look upon the idea of some form of extraterrestrial life as an insane proposition, if they are unwilling to see how vast and complex reality is, and how vast their realities intertwine in the vast cosmos, that we may feel too significant to realize some other lifeform could ever know of our existence, and know of our lives. If this be the case, then the scientist has become very selfish, in his own life, and how he treats his existence.

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« Reply #39 on: 17/12/2010 22:29:37 »
Well, I ask a moderator locks the thread then. I certainly wouldn't want people to think I like to stir things up, so please, do me such a favor.

No reason to do that. After all, this is the "That Can't Be True!" forum. However, TNS is a Science Forum, so I don't think you should be surprised that a lot of people here are very skeptical about some dubious "evidence" posted on Youtube.

If you want to believe that aliens visit Earth, that's entirely up to you, but you'll have to come up with something a bit better than this to persuade me it's anything other than complete baloney.

It is a disease as such, that scientists today may look upon the idea of some form of extraterrestrial life as an insane proposition, if they are unwilling to see how vast and complex reality is, and how vast their realities intertwine in the vast cosmos, that we may feel too significant to realize some other lifeform could ever know of our existence, and know of our lives. If this be the case, then the scientist has become very selfish, in his own life, and how he treats his existence.

Nonsense. I actually do think the Universe is teaming with extraterrestrial life, and I'm sure a lot of scientists do too. What I don't believe is that a video posted on Youtube constitutes credible evidence for anything.
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« Reply #40 on: 17/12/2010 22:46:07 »
I am just stating, that I like to keep an open mind about things.

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« Reply #41 on: 17/12/2010 22:52:40 »
I am just stating, that I like to keep an open mind about things.

I agree it's good to keep an open mind. It's also good to understand that the World if full of people who like to play jokes on other people. I confess I've done that a few times myself, although everything I've posted on Youtube is legitimate - so far  [:)]
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« Reply #42 on: 17/12/2010 22:53:07 »
I've seen many things which can't be explained by science fully so far, so I am always with an open mind, when weighing in the evidence, no matter how peculiar that evidence may come across as. You may think of me as the antithesis of Occams Razor, that way ~ the simplest of answers are not always the answers... it's a false paradigm.

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« Reply #43 on: 19/12/2010 16:53:15 »
QuantumClue, since when is non-acceptance of alien invasion rumors an indication of being closed minded and Occam's Razor a paradigm? Steve

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« Reply #44 on: 19/12/2010 19:54:54 »
What I find amazing about all this footage of UFO's is that they all appear on YouTube and have been shot by some amateur.

Would you not think that at least one of the reputable news agencies would have taken up these stories? The BBC, CNN, ITN and certainly (given the Islamic undertones) Aljazzera?

Given the intelligence and ability of these ET's, would you not think that they would have contacted us in a language we can understand? Please don't tell me it has been suppressed by the US government. It may come as something of a shock to some, but there are other governments around the world apart from the US. Don't be so presumptuous to assume that ET would only speak to the US President. Even if it were the case that the all the governments of the world agreed to suppress this ET business (which i seriously doubt, since they have great trouble agreeing what to agree about some times), don't you think this highly advanced race could easily circumvent any such attempts by simply hijacking TV and radio signals and broadcasting to the world???????

Some news agencies tend to not even let half the reports coming in in case of being shunned. Many reporters have reported themselves on this fact.

However here in Britain, some news agencies such as ITN have reported on a lot of UFO incidences, and you will in fact find many of them on YOUTUBE contrary to your belief.

Yes indeed, on YouTube, but I have yet to see anything like this given the full treatment on News at Ten. Given the importance of such sightings, were they real, I rather think both the BBC and ITV would interupt whatever they were screening to tell the nation of this most momentous of occasions, wouldn't they?

I wonder if any one who saw the YouTube footage in which these unbelievable beings were so righteous as to spell the name 'Allah' and 'Muhammad' in Arabic for all to see, had considered a couple of small points. Small, but significant.

1) If you were standing 10 miles to the East, West or South, of the point where this camera was situated, the alignment would have been different and the UFO pattern would have spelt nothing at all.

2} If you were standing 10 miles to the North of the point where this camera was situated, the alignment would still have spelt the names of 'Allah' and 'Muhammad', BUT, upside-down. Wouldn't that be an insult or blasphemy?

3) Our ET friends of such great intellect seem to have had a little nutty moment, they were using Arabic over the skies of a nation which, if memory serves correct, tend to speak in some language a tad more akin to Spanish. Did they pick the wrong language, or is their geography in need of some correction?

Ah well, at least they, rather conveniently, posed for the camera.
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« Reply #45 on: 20/12/2010 18:02:14 »
QuantumClue, since when is non-acceptance of alien invasion rumors an indication of being closed minded and Occam's Razor a paradigm? Steve

Occams Razor is a train of thought which applies to a limited imagination.

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« Reply #46 on: 20/12/2010 19:02:23 »
In all this time it was only Santa making a dry run

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« Reply #47 on: 20/12/2010 19:06:00 »
QuantumClue:

Occam's razor is not a paradigm. Western science or alternative medicine are paradigms. Occam's razor is just a rule of thumb that is used by western science almost without thought because it is so reasonable. You cannot deny the overwhelming success of the scientific enterprise.

Basically Occam's razor in science suggests that if one has more than one explanation for a phenomenon, the one that is the most logical and complete, and that has the fewest unknown assumptions is probably the best working hypothesis. It doesn't suggest that the most parsimonious one is necessarily correct. Science or not, to behave differently is just plain stupid. You seem to want to believe in something before there is any evidence at all, and to not look at more logical alternative explanations.

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« Reply #48 on: 20/12/2010 19:13:04 »
I don't recall calling it a paradigm. Also, how can you say I don't personally see all alternatives. To create a certain point of view should not mean it absolute.

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« Reply #49 on: 20/12/2010 19:17:23 »
What I find amazing about all this footage of UFO's is that they all appear on YouTube and have been shot by some amateur.

Would you not think that at least one of the reputable news agencies would have taken up these stories? The BBC, CNN, ITN and certainly (given the Islamic undertones) Aljazzera?

Given the intelligence and ability of these ET's, would you not think that they would have contacted us in a language we can understand? Please don't tell me it has been suppressed by the US government. It may come as something of a shock to some, but there are other governments around the world apart from the US. Don't be so presumptuous to assume that ET would only speak to the US President. Even if it were the case that the all the governments of the world agreed to suppress this ET business (which i seriously doubt, since they have great trouble agreeing what to agree about some times), don't you think this highly advanced race could easily circumvent any such attempts by simply hijacking TV and radio signals and broadcasting to the world???????

Some news agencies tend to not even let half the reports coming in in case of being shunned. Many reporters have reported themselves on this fact.

However here in Britain, some news agencies such as ITN have reported on a lot of UFO incidences, and you will in fact find many of them on YOUTUBE contrary to your belief.

Yes indeed, on YouTube, but I have yet to see anything like this given the full treatment on News at Ten. Given the importance of such sightings, were they real, I rather think both the BBC and ITV would interupt whatever they were screening to tell the nation of this most momentous of occasions, wouldn't they?

I wonder if any one who saw the YouTube footage in which these unbelievable beings were so righteous as to spell the name 'Allah' and 'Muhammad' in Arabic for all to see, had considered a couple of small points. Small, but significant.

1) If you were standing 10 miles to the East, West or South, of the point where this camera was situated, the alignment would have been different and the UFO pattern would have spelt nothing at all.

2} If you were standing 10 miles to the North of the point where this camera was situated, the alignment would still have spelt the names of 'Allah' and 'Muhammad', BUT, upside-down. Wouldn't that be an insult or blasphemy?

3) Our ET friends of such great intellect seem to have had a little nutty moment, they were using Arabic over the skies of a nation which, if memory serves correct, tend to speak in some language a tad more akin to Spanish. Did they pick the wrong language, or is their geography in need of some correction?

Ah well, at least they, rather conveniently, posed for the camera.

Yes, that video is pure nonesense. Don't think for a second I said it wasn't.