Wikileaks reveals UFO fleet as a REAL WAR against US forces

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« Reply #50 on: 20/12/2010 20:05:25 »
The Occam's razor has two adopted applications, fine or coarse
William of Ockham (c. 1285–1349) is remembered as an influential nominalist but his popular fame as a great logician rests chiefly on the maxim attributed to him and known as Ockham's razor. The term razor (the German "Ockhams Messer" translates to "Occam's knife") refers to distinguising between two theories either by "shaving away" unnecessary assumptions or cutting apart two similar theories.


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« Reply #51 on: 21/12/2010 08:49:38 »
Part of the problem might be that the title of this thread is provocative.  What we're actually debating is whether those youtube videos might be actual aliens or not, not whether there's wikileak evidence of an alien fleet engaged in a war against the US.

By the way, if an actual alien fleet was able to travel across vast distances to earth and launch massive fleets that can do the kind of acrobatic tricks shown in the videos, how in the world can they not have enslaved us all yet?  Also: why haven't we nuked Antarctica?  More importantly, was the ozone hole a plot to give the aliens all cancer to defeat them?  Hmmmm....  [???]

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« Reply #52 on: 21/12/2010 09:34:57 »
was the ozone hole a plot to give the aliens all cancer to defeat them?  Hmmmm....  [???]

No need for anything so drastic according to H G Wells.
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« Reply #53 on: 21/12/2010 09:38:29 »
By the way, if an actual alien fleet was able to travel across vast distances to earth and launch massive fleets that can do the kind of acrobatic tricks shown in the videos, how in the world can they not have enslaved us all yet? 

Come come now, why must we always assume that ET is going to enslave us?

But I would like to know why I haven't been invited round to their gaff for moring coffee yet.
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« Reply #54 on: 21/12/2010 10:53:03 »
Don - aliens don't like puns, the rest of us go round all the time.  you, as punmaker-general, will have to wait for the aliens to discover that strange human sense of humour.
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« Reply #55 on: 21/12/2010 11:09:52 »
Surely you are not suggesting that there is Planet Pun???


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A sad loss. RIP Leslie Nielsen.

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« Reply #56 on: 21/12/2010 11:41:58 »
He was a true genius.
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« Reply #57 on: 21/12/2010 13:44:00 »
There is no immediate reason to think an alien lifeform/race would be hostile, though the notion cannot be ruled out for obvious reasons.

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« Reply #58 on: 21/12/2010 14:01:50 »

Could it be the US gov is testing out its swarm technology?

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« Reply #59 on: 21/12/2010 15:48:58 »
I think maybe a great percentage of UFO's could be government experiments.

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« Reply #60 on: 21/12/2010 17:04:09 »
I think maybe a great percentage of UFO's could be government experiments.

I think a great percentage of UFO's could be the result of people having one too many before heading home from the pub.
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« Reply #61 on: 21/12/2010 17:36:39 »
Agreed, but the camera does not drink.

All jokes aside, there is a real phenomena, and it exists all around the world, even NASA has evidence that the UFO phenomenon is real, and it's closed-minded individuals like yourself that does it no justice. Who in there right mind today, including professionals in their fields will deny these objects are being observed, instead of making assinine comments like the one you have?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjUWSHBrnHk&feature=related

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« Reply #62 on: 21/12/2010 18:18:00 »
Includes the brilliant line "electronic electromagnetic plasma kind-of death ray" 

Sorry but if that is the proof... 

And can't they get a decent video camera on the shuttle - my phone takes better video than that!
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« Reply #63 on: 21/12/2010 19:23:41 »
I don't consider the video proof of anything, but many parts of the video have been examined by NASA - which on a purely educational ground, was my stance that the phenomenon was real.

People, stop getting so hung up on these videos, please. I don't support them as proof of anything.

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« Reply #64 on: 21/12/2010 19:58:53 »
OK QuantumClue, please give the evidence that the phenomena "exists all around the world, even NASA has evidence that the UFO phenomenon is real" and quit making unsupported assertions. Steve

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« Reply #65 on: 21/12/2010 20:29:24 »
I do not have information on NASA readily available, only what I know and have committed to memory steve. I know they have looked into the phenomena. I know they know it must exist in some form, even if they are not considered to be extraterrestrial.

And I surely don't need to support the part ''they are observed all over the world...'' surely? Have you never read UFO books, such as Nick Popes? Your question seems somewhat... bizarre - do you not believe other people over the world see these things? Oh well, good old wiki will come to the rescue there:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UFO_sightings

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« Reply #66 on: 21/12/2010 20:30:55 »
Here scrap that; here is some proof NASA does look into these things.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_sightings_in_outer_space

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« Reply #67 on: 21/12/2010 20:48:54 »
QuantumClue, all there is in your link is a bunch of disputed sightings of unidentified objects. There is absolutely no evidence at all that the bits and pieces observed had anything whatever to do with extraterrestrial alien space ships. When there is no evidence at all for this it is irrational to jump to a pretty extravagant conclusion. People see things, like you they provide an explanation that suits their fancy. I repeat, just supply some credible evidence. Because NASA is a public agency I would think it should be easy to find some document that they sign on to. Steve

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« Reply #68 on: 21/12/2010 20:49:21 »
Well, yes, UFO's are real enough. By definition, there are many sightings of "unidentified flying objects". If we knew what they were, they wouldn't be unidentified.
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« Reply #69 on: 21/12/2010 20:57:45 »
Am I talking to myself? I will ask the thread to be closed if people stop making assinine comments.

Steve, there is no satisfying you. You asked me to back this claim up:

''exists all around the world, even NASA has evidence that the UFO phenomenon is real"

Did I or did I not give you a list of countries with accounts of UFO observation? Did I or did I not provide you with evidence NASA has investigated such claims 1)?

Now, did I or did I now address your questions?



1) - Actually NASA does make me laugh sometimes.I remember the day sts-48 came out, and it was studied. A while later, NASA said it was ice particles - what a joke - the video account is here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiDvkB_rG-Q
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« Reply #70 on: 21/12/2010 20:59:17 »
Meaning steve, I made no mention that UFOs are directly alien, nor did your questions require that I PROVIDE proof of aliens. Your questions seem more and more like a caliginous trap.

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« Reply #71 on: 21/12/2010 21:10:47 »
QuantumClue, you duck and weave. This is sort of like your denial of your Occam's razor-paradigm claim. This thread is about alien forces threatening the US and this is what you have been trying to support. Many of us have been telling you that this is an unwarranted assumption, but you persist. If you want to change this to misinterpretations of a large variety of natural phenomena, then start a new thread. Otherwise please provide evidence of the presence of an extraterrestrial alien fleet. I would be especially interested in credible evidence from NASA. Steve
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« Reply #72 on: 21/12/2010 21:16:18 »
I said Occams razor is a train of thought for those with a lack of imagination. What denial did I exhibit?

I think JP has hit it on the nail. This is about the OP headlines? They where the same wikileak headlines, so I would not be too involved with the idea I am somehow trying to invest in exraterestrial encounters.

And what credible evidence from NASA do you have in mind? What evidence to support extraterrestrial life? There is lots. You want proof, there is none. NASA does not waste superfluous amounts of money and energy into studying UFO claims.

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« Reply #73 on: 21/12/2010 21:35:18 »
Here is a nice video with experts in the field giving their accounts and analysis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqMf3towVVI&feature=related

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« Reply #74 on: 21/12/2010 22:06:18 »
I will ask the thread to be closed if people stop making assinine comments.


I'll be happy to oblige. (er, you might want to rephrase that, unless you want to look like an ass)
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« Reply #75 on: 21/12/2010 22:10:44 »
Be my guest. I won't have people fabricate things about what I am supposed to have said.

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« Reply #76 on: 21/12/2010 22:13:11 »
No, I meant about your request to keep receiving assinine comments.
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« Reply #77 on: 21/12/2010 22:22:47 »
Oh.. Wont* stop (it should read)

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« Reply #78 on: 21/12/2010 22:24:42 »
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« Reply #79 on: 21/12/2010 22:32:23 »
QuantumClue, I am not going to go back through all your posts in which you supported the crazy article, the claim that Wikileaks provided evidence of aliens, and the video which you think was evidence because it existed long before the leak was released. You found “evidence” of a mother ship in a YouTube video! Regarding Occam’s razor, you said—“You may think of me as the antithesis of Occams Razor, that way ~ the simplest of answers are not always the answers... it's a false paradigm.”

As for the last video there is a lot of material that has already been explained adequately. Kasher is only an expert in the promotion of UFOs and extraterrestrial aliens on and around earth. He has no evidence, just conjecture. If you are not promoting the idea of extraterrestrial UFOs, why do you site Kasher as providing evidence? Steve

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« Reply #80 on: 22/12/2010 00:01:35 »
I have stood firm in saying it provided evidence something happened that day. Proove I said it was about aliens?

I said it was a false paradigm... well either way, it is unecessery to always think of the simplest of answers in the most of extraordinary cases.

Steve,  I site the astronauts because I get the sense off posters here that sightings are reserved for alcoholics and drug addicts. I truely wish this stigma would die.

Just read my post *sitings* -> changed to sightings. Don't worry, I can spell, sometimes :)

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« Reply #81 on: 23/12/2010 17:44:23 »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-RPWhigpQg&feature=related

the integrity of this video cannot be questioned as it was filmed by NASA - Some real gems in this video, really does make the skeptic think twice. Two interesting accounts particularily; one account on the moon, the astronaut says along the lines ''so what do I see... Looks like we've had visitors... not worth mentioning really.''

Another account speaks of astronauts, where the astronaut reports to ground control that a metalic silvery craft was hovering outside the shuttle, apparently getting a good look at the ship - would have been very startling I would presume.

Enjoy.