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quote:Originally posted by Titanscape ONE:I can imagine that other men are not like me, and could not go without a child. And their wives may be so too. If I had a wife like that and I was asked by her for acceptance of artificial insemination in her, I would be troubled. I would not accept it. Adoption yes, TWO: but another man's semen in her and another man has the honour of making her pregnant, and has her maternal love through his child, no.There is treatment to put a man's sex cell directly in an egg, that yes, but another man's no. I would be careful. My Dr friend was joking and told me about this in the US where a Dr used a dirty pipette and his patient's wife had a black baby.I would want adoption. I wouldn't consider AI, no.THREE:If she were to have another man's baby, from Judaism, it best be from a full brother. Even so, the husband in this scripture passed away.FOUR:Surely morals have a place in the evolutionary scheme don't they? Is there an evolutionary imperative? If so rape has a place in it, and it can touch home too. Donating sperm is not about evolution. The question is first about donating.Titanscape
quote:Originally posted by ukmickyI couldnt do it,i couldnt live with the knowlege that i had a kid out their that i didnt know.Michael
quote:POSTED BY NEILEP Morals are a human invention
quote:Originally posted by ukmickyquote:POSTED BY NEILEP Morals are a human invention Humans didnt invent morals evolution invented morals along with the pre frontal cortex which allows us to learn and control them. This is one for george (another someone)Michael
quote:How can you attribute morals to a natural process?
quote:Originally posted by HadrianI understand more then you know why you say the things you do and I am not judging you in any way. But you don’t have to see thing as you do.
quote:Your say “What happens if the person bringing up my child turned out to be a real monster,” there are a few point you might like to give some thought to. To me it’s simple. You’re choosing to look into the future and imagine monsters which have not yet come into existences except in your mind. You could have just as easily imagined a saint. Either way it is about what you’re imaging might happen sometime in the future. What is to stop you from thinking that you could have a car crash and be brain damaged and as a result become a monster to your family? Is it not the same? We all get trapped into thinking like this about the future and the past. By doing so you allow pain and suffering to come into your mind that is of your own creation.
quote:So what are you giving when you give sperm? To me it is the one of the keys to infantine possibility that all life is. Most people who go this route to have a child do so because they are desperate to care and love a child. To help such a person to achieve this is to help then bring meaning into there lives. I give blood I happen to be 0- should I stop in case a monster get it. I choose to trust the innate goodness that is life in the certain knowledge that I am exactly where I am suppose to be writing these words to you.
quote:Originally posted by gary_lankfordPersonally, I don't think any woman should be able to get pregnant without getting... Looking forward to the responses. :lol:Gary Lankford
quote:What about Invention Gary ?
quote:who said she needed a man to get......
quote:Originally posted by gary_lankford[quote:who said she needed a man to get......I didn't say "she" needed a man to get... I said "she" shouldn't be able to get pregnant without getting...
quote:ukmicky-Posted - 19 Mar 2006 : 00:09:37 Show Profile Email Poster Visit ukmicky's Homepage Reply with QuoteSometimes i feel so sorry for you ladies having to put up with us men, the world would be a much better place if we could just get rid of them all so it just left me.Michael
quote:Originally posted by gary_lankfordMoving back toward the question of the original post, I wonder if there have been any successful paternity suits against sperm donors? If a man knew that he might be liable for support if he became a father by sperm donation that might slow him down. No, no, wait, that doesn't seem to stop anybody, does it?
quote:Originally posted by ukmickyquote:Why?My child my responsibility. Any child that was conceived using my sperm is half me, i would be the biological father and i couldn't go through life knowing i have children that i don't know and therefore can't care for for.
quote:Originally posted by neilepQuoteOriginally posted by ukmickyWhilst I have the greatest respect for you Michael.. I totally disagree. How can you attribute morals to a natural process ? Are you edging on intelligent design ?...Morals are all to do with humanities decisions to do the right thing, to be able to distinguish between good and bad. ....are you saying that morals were around before humans ?I think this debate about what is natural or not is somewhat futile – it implies there is anything that humans do that is unnatural.Humans are no more of less a part of nature, and a consequence of nature, as a snail. Anything that humans do is just as natural as anything snails do. This is true even where snails and humans behave differently, each still follows their own nature, and each is still behaving naturally.All animals follow some sort of code of conduct. For some simple animals, this is a very simple set of instinctive rules, but for more complicated animals, the rules are increasingly learned rules (although with an underlying instinctive layer that is required to bootstrap the process even for the most complex of animals). We, as probably the most complex of the complex animals, gain far more of our behavioural rules from learning than from instinct, but that we have learnt it does not make it unnatural, but equally, that we have learnt it does mean there is inevitably greater variability in those rules than there would be if the rules were wholly instinctive.George
Originally posted by ukmickyWhilst I have the greatest respect for you Michael.. I totally disagree. How can you attribute morals to a natural process ? Are you edging on intelligent design ?...Morals are all to do with humanities decisions to do the right thing, to be able to distinguish between good and bad. ....are you saying that morals were around before humans ?
quote:Originally posted by ukmickyAs parents of children its our job to make the decisions which will benefit our kids. Through evolution we have been given the ability to look into the future and to make decisions based on what we see around us, its partly what makes us human .Forward thinking is what makes us intelligent sapient beings and is what separates us from every other life forms on earth .
quote:How can I put it its hard to put into words. Some men are happy to father a child and never see that child again. I couldn’t do that as that child is half me and I have a natural wanting desire to help with the upbringing of any child of mine.
quote:Originally posted by TitanscapeBut, if I was in WW2 Hungary and a dear patriot girl was raped by an invading Russian or four... I dream that I would give her my sex cells into the filth, which I do not want, for the sake of her possibley having my child instead of a Russian rapist for patriotic honour and sympathy.