WBC diluting fluid destroys RBC but not WBCs !!??

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Offline tuhin

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Hello,
While  performing the the total count of WBC , one needs to add a particular volume of WBC diluting fluid to a particular volume of blood . Interestingly, the WBC diluting fluid containing acetic acid (probably 2%) and Gentian violet ( to stain the nucleus of the WBCs)lyses the RBCs only ??!!

Can anyone explain this ? genegenie, there is no genetics involved, even then you should try this !!

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Re: WBC diluting fluid destroys RBC but not WBCs !!??
« Reply #1 on: 30/09/2003 23:39:23 »
Well, I may be the hick from Texas, but I'm not too proud to ask.....What's a WBC / RBC?
 

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Re: WBC diluting fluid destroys RBC but not WBCs !!??
« Reply #2 on: 01/10/2003 06:02:22 »
WBC-white blood cell
RBC - red blood cell

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Re: WBC diluting fluid destroys RBC but not WBCs !!??
« Reply #3 on: 01/10/2003 06:56:00 »
Ok, well I feel pretty dull. Thanks.
 

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Re: WBC diluting fluid destroys RBC but not WBCs !!??
« Reply #4 on: 02/10/2003 05:38:45 »
Not dull at all.  Medical abbreviations are a foreign abbreviation.  Worse yet are the abbreviations and initials they use in aviation.  They're ridiculous.  Almost nothing has a full name.  I felt pretty dull before I learned all of those.

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Re: WBC diluting fluid destroys RBC but not WBCs !!??
« Reply #5 on: 02/10/2003 07:08:09 »
I was a Navy man....we had acronyms for everything. I almost forgot how to speak english. Now, medical is a whole world of latin as well as acronyms for the latin. I think sometimes it's just made up stuff. I know aviation would be tough as well.
But c'mon....WBC and RBC? I should've known that. I'm just going to beat myself up awhile over that one.
 

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Re: WBC diluting fluid destroys RBC but not WBCs !!??
« Reply #6 on: 02/10/2003 09:51:26 »
I knew what he was talking about Ronnie[:)]

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« Reply #7 on: 02/10/2003 15:59:13 »
OK Ronnie, I was trying to spare your male ego, and with the truth as well, but I see Quantumcat had to rub it in.  I tell you, there's no mercy!

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Re: WBC diluting fluid destroys RBC but not WBCs !!??
« Reply #8 on: 03/10/2003 01:02:38 »
Quantumcat, way to bash that male ego[;)]!  Maybe what Ian's Daddy really wants is a little "slap" from Bezoar (in her scrubs).
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Re: WBC diluting fluid destroys RBC but not WBCs !!??
« Reply #9 on: 03/10/2003 05:40:04 »
Oh yes, and especially from someone old enough to be his mother.  Ronnie, you pervert!

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Re: WBC diluting fluid destroys RBC but not WBCs !!??
« Reply #10 on: 03/10/2003 09:42:49 »
Hahahahahaha. Ronnie, your name under your username should be Perverted something or other since everyone seems to know you as that now :/

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Re: WBC diluting fluid destroys RBC but not WBCs !!??
« Reply #11 on: 03/10/2003 19:49:38 »
Hey, do you love the way the women on this forum have attributed a reaction to Ronnie without his consent?  Then, as if that's not enough, we call him names and chastize him for it.  Good thing he can roll with the punches.

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Re: WBC diluting fluid destroys RBC but not WBCs !!??
« Reply #12 on: 03/10/2003 20:23:48 »
Aw, we all know Ronnie loves attention from women, even if we are teasing him mercilessly[}:)][;)].
« Last Edit: 03/10/2003 20:24:16 by Donnah »
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Re: WBC diluting fluid destroys RBC but not WBCs !!??
« Reply #13 on: 04/10/2003 14:32:50 »
I don't know tuhin....you've got me! Is it something about using a diluting fluid that's hypotonic to the RBC and causes lysis???

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« Reply #14 on: 08/10/2003 23:32:58 »
What the hell!? I go out of town for a few days and I get attacked! Even though Donnah's right, I do love the female attention.[}:)]

I just want to know how it all got twisted into some sort of perversion. Was it the scrubs comment? I just like to think that I have a strong libido. Yeah, that's it...a strong libido.

Now, some are, in fact, sicker than others. I'll give you that. However, I think it's a healthy sickness on my part. Am I just dilusional?

Maybe I'm in pervert denial. Great, 12 step programs may be in my future. Maybe they have a "Men Who Dig Older Women in Scrubs Anonymous"
I'll start looking for help. Right after this good cry from all the abuse. And, if I was wrong and offended anyone, I'll gladly take my spanking.
 

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Re: WBC diluting fluid destroys RBC but not WBCs !!??
« Reply #15 on: 09/10/2003 05:58:44 »
Ooooh, a spanking too?  You are in pervert denial.  Yep, it might be time for the twelve steps.  What's that one, when you acknowledge that you have no control over your illness and you turn it over to a higher power?  I don't think that means the nursing supervisor, with or without scrubs.
 

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Re: WBC diluting fluid destroys RBC but not WBCs !!??
« Reply #16 on: 09/10/2003 07:13:17 »
They do say that it's a higher power as you understand it. Could be a doorknob. Could be a lampshade. Could be a spanking nurse. It's all up to the individual and what works for them.

As far as the topic, I'll take a stab and say that RBC's have a chemical make up (perhaps protiens) that are affected differently than the WBCs.

Just a thought.
 

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Re: WBC diluting fluid destroys RBC but not WBCs !!??
« Reply #17 on: 09/10/2003 17:13:06 »
You crack me up.  Man, it's your higher power, so I guess you can put her in scrubs too if you want.  Just don't make any false idols of her.

You think with the diluting fluid, perhaps the chemicals react differently with the red cells because of the hemoglobin (iron) content of the cells?

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Re: WBC diluting fluid destroys RBC but not WBCs !!??
« Reply #18 on: 09/10/2003 17:58:54 »
Exactly....on both points.
 

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Re: WBC diluting fluid destroys RBC but not WBCs !!??
« Reply #19 on: 10/10/2003 20:03:18 »
Wow, the women on this site are really something!

I don't know much biology, but I know that the structure of WBC's is very different from the RBC's.

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Re: WBC diluting fluid destroys RBC but not WBCs !!??
« Reply #20 on: 11/10/2003 02:09:14 »
Lysis - does that mean a loosening of the red blood cells?  If so, Gentian (which is used as a circulatory aid) would theoretically be useful for RBC and cold agglutination.

Do WBCs ever stick together like RBCs sometimes do?

Tweener, welcome to the site!  Why don't you get your wife to enter the forum...she just might surprise you.
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Re: WBC diluting fluid destroys RBC but not WBCs !!??
« Reply #21 on: 11/10/2003 03:34:05 »
Lysis means gradual dissolution or destruction.  I've never heard of anyone getting Gentian IV for cold agglutination.  That's an interesting thought.  I don't think white cells agglutinate like red cells, at least I don't recall hearing of it at all.  With fibrinogen they will, but I think you're asking like an agglutination syndrome.

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Re: WBC diluting fluid destroys RBC but not WBCs !!??
« Reply #22 on: 20/10/2003 14:01:37 »
Curiosity got the better of me and I looked this one up.[:I]
Apparently the 2% acetic acid is hypotonic to the RBC causing it to swell and lyse.

I'm curious now about whether WBCs can agglutinate. Does this occur in some disease states? Or maybe some infections????

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Re: WBC diluting fluid destroys RBC but not WBCs !!??
« Reply #23 on: 20/10/2003 15:54:53 »
Yes, but that still doesn't explain why the WBC's don't blow up...is 2% acetate not hypotonic to them then ?

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Re: WBC diluting fluid destroys RBC but not WBCs !!??
« Reply #24 on: 21/10/2003 03:39:53 »
Ma-Donnah,  
My wife constantly surprises me.  I'll talk to her about this forum.

Otherwise, this thread is wayyyyy over my head.



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Re: WBC diluting fluid destroys RBC but not WBCs !!??
« Reply #25 on: 22/10/2003 12:23:52 »
I guess not...but I can't find anything anywhere about this.

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Re: WBC diluting fluid destroys RBC but not WBCs !!??
« Reply #26 on: 22/10/2003 13:13:38 »
I'll keep looking too - I know it's a bit ott but I like the odd challenge !

We cracked the hard boiled egg conundrum in the end didn't we !

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Re: WBC diluting fluid destroys RBC but not WBCs !!??
« Reply #27 on: 23/10/2003 00:33:28 »
Anyone know a lab tech or pathologist we could ask?  I'll bet they know.

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Re: WBC diluting fluid destroys RBC but not WBCs !!??
« Reply #28 on: 23/10/2003 00:34:42 »
Anyone know a lab tech or pathologist we could ask?  I'll bet they know.

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Re: WBC diluting fluid destroys RBC but not WBCs !!??
« Reply #29 on: 31/03/2004 10:19:39 »
hello everybody[:)],
can anyane plz let me know y at all there is rbc contamination in bonemarrow preparation?

puzzled though!
thanking u all
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Re: WBC diluting fluid destroys RBC but not WBCs !!??
« Reply #30 on: 19/09/2005 20:42:45 »
Actually both the RBC's and WBC's are lysed.  However, unlike RBC's, WBC's have nuclei and those are what are counted under a microscope or even in a Coulter counter.

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Re: WBC diluting fluid destroys RBC but not WBCs !!??
« Reply #31 on: 20/09/2005 18:58:18 »
The bone marrow is the site of red blood cell production

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Re: WBC diluting fluid destroys RBC but not WBCs !!??
« Reply #32 on: 06/02/2006 12:12:24 »
[:)]hi ppl![:)]
ok.. so y does WBC diluting fluid lyse rbc???
the main aim is to concentrate the WBC in a given sampl of blood.. so v ve to lyse the RBCs.. and thats wat dilutin fluid does..
but y its called WBC dilutin fluid beats me.. when it actually dilutes RBCs concentration!
 

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« Reply #33 on: 16/05/2006 05:00:02 »
I just fiinished senior level microbiology at UNCW, and we used a premixed solution labeled wright's stain, then DI water.  Does that also contain acetic acid??  None of the cells were lysed for our WBC counts?