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quote:Originally posted by Hadrian By the way when will we be posting links about the scientific way to use chemical warfare for the home user?
quote:Originally posted by rosyJust as an experiment because I'm interested:S****horpe
quote:Originally posted by HadrianDoes the fact that such information is freely available on the internet justify a site like this also putting it out. Child pron is also on the internet would you consider it showing it as part of a discussion on the psychological effect of such images?
quote:Originally posted by HadrianPerhaps my view on this is coloured by the fact that the words pipe boom in my country is linked to death and maiming.
quote:We do not live in the innocent times were a bang was simply a thrill. I myself indulged in such escapades in my youth. But now yes I heat to see my son doing the same knowing that many innocent people have suffered at the hands of such technology.
quote: You letting your nostalgia cloud you judgment.
quote:Thinks to be stood for and this is one of them. It is just not defendable to give out this information with out taking responsibility for how it could be used.
quote:"I do believe that the censoring of knowledge is inappropriate, and it is far better that people know all, and can judge for themselves (including judging the harm they might do) than that we try and burn all the books that contain unpleasant truths."
quote:Originally posted by HadrianYou simply can't see the point I am making. It is nothing to do with censorship. That is a red herring. If the information is already freely available elsewhere how can it be censorship?
quote: You are defending a position because it yours and you have already decided on it. Is it because you can't accept the reasonability that you shear in holding such a position ? Of it simply you pride? You say you have to trust people. Yes you do but can you trust everyone with everything?
quote:Would you give children this information? Or are you going to run behind “it’s the parents reasonability to know what their child is viewing?”
quote: if just one person is hurt. Just one innocent bystander by a boom made from information form this site would you even blink? Delude to yourself all you want it can be defended
quote: quote: Would you give children this information? Or are you going to run behind “it’s the parents reasonability to know what their child is viewing?”Actually, yes I would. If they are old enough to understand what it means, then they are old enough to be taught to understand how to use it – and if it came to that, I'd rather that I was able to teach them how to use it then that they would find out for themselves and without any guidance I might be able to offer (as you say, the information is out there).I would argue that telling them “I will not give you this information, but you can go to someone else to get this information” is a greater shirking of one's responsibility, than to say that “this is the information you asked for, but it comes attached with some guidance as to how to use that information responsibly”.
quote:We live in a world where teachers are afraid of giving a child a hug, lest they be accused of sexual assault; where we would not stop to help a person in trouble lest we find ourselves in trouble; where the avoidance of risk is more important than to seek to help people.We have to stop being paranoid about death, and do more to seek to embrace life. Death will find us all in the end, it may be sooner, or it may be later; but at least give us the chance to live first, and do not keep us prisoners in our own fears.
quote:Originally posted by HadrianMaking booms that have the potential to kill will someday be viewed this way. This century is our chance to amend for the excess of death we inflicted on one another. Tuning our backs on violence can not be ala cart. To do it we have to turn away from all the tools of violence too.
quote: We want to hold on to our guns and swords because deep down we still need the power they offer us. Booms are devices for destruction.
quote: Humans have spent their short time on this planet destroying everything in there path.
quote: Of course we love to blow up things it in our destructive nature.
quote:I am only asking why we tolerate one value over another. One that belonging to the past and one may be part of a possible future for all mankind. A world in harmony with nature. A world at peace.
quote:Originally posted by CarolynHere is where I disagree with you George.quote:We live in a world where teachers are afraid of giving a child a hug, lest they be accused of sexual assault; where we would not stop to help a person in trouble lest we find ourselves in trouble; where the avoidance of risk is more important than to seek to help people.We have to stop being paranoid about death, and do more to seek to embrace life. Death will find us all in the end, it may be sooner, or it may be later; but at least give us the chance to live first, and do not keep us prisoners in our own fears.My opinions on this would be far too long winded, but the jest of it is this. My daughter drives now and is on her own alot. I think its sad that I've had to teach her that she has the right to be rude to people. I think you should be polite if at all possible, but people are pushy. I don't want her helping strangers in the mall, or a parking lot. I would rather her be rude to strangers and be alive and well, than to be polite all the time and be dead or missing.Carolyn
quote:Originally posted by HadrianHey George it you reality it’s the way you see things I hope it make you happy and fulfilled and mean that form the bottom of my hart. We are not going to agree so the best of luck to you. Happy half century to you, my little post war baby.What you do speaks so loudly that I cannot hear what you say.
quote:I understand where you are coming from, and I realise there was a certain element of idealism in what I said; but equally, I would ask, if your daughter lay hurt and bleeding to death, would you wish everyone to simply walk away for fear of the risks of getting involved?
quote:It may sound like I am some sort of 'goody goody' – I am not. I can think back to quite a few occasions where I had to make a split second decision whether to help someone or not, and I did nothing. I hope there are a few occasions where I did make a positive difference; but I am more haunted by those occasions where I remember that I did not. I have standards, but I recognise those standards as that which one should seek to achieve, not necessarily that which mere human beings are always able to achieve.
quote:I am not talking about politeness – I have never been too hung up on politeness – that is mere superficiality.