British Constitutional Monarchy and US Presidency Stability?

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Offline Titanscape

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I know something of how the British Constitutional Monarch is democratically a stable government, could someone here please elaborate anyhow? What is the PM does not want another election?

Also what if the US president gets backing, to not have another election but tries to keep office?

As an aside question, what if the French president does not hold another election and what if the EU governor, does not step down?


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« Reply #1 on: 16/09/2011 15:53:02 »
In the UK we work on constitutional conventions - it is expected that PM will go if he loses a vote of confidence - ie the support of parliament.  We had after the last election the losing party leader staying on as PM till someone else could form a government - and whilst GBrown got a lot of stick I was told by people who really knew (constitutional lawyers) that GB's interpretation was the most likely to be correct.  I believe - but cannot be bothered to look it up - that term of five years maximum is in statute (representation of the people act.  there are lots of what-ifs in british/uk/english constitutional law - most of which are covered by convention, tacit agreement, legal textbooks, and an inate feeling of what is cricket; we just cannot bothered to wrote down every possibility cos the buggeration factor would mean that any problem would be one that was missed out in the codex. 

IN the US - there is more detail and statute, the supreme court have carved out a position for themselves (marbury v madison) to interpret the constitution and other founding documents

In France - they have a civil law system where almost everything is written down in very vague terms - and the courts (unlike the UK and USA) have great leeway to interpret the intention of the lawmakers. 

For France, USA and UK any breach of these ideas that persisted would be seen as coup d'etat. 

In the UK Buck House would probably make a fuss and parliament would recall the prime minister and remove his mandate.  The last clash between executive (PM Ministers& govenerment) and parliament was many centuries ago - in the end parliament is sovereign in the UK. In the USA I believe that the two houses have power to remove an illegitimate president through both impeachment and other more direct methods - and of course there are the Militias (that the gun nuts over there hold dear to) which are the ultimate bastion against executive abuse.  In France I do not know - but they have shown a distinct lack of nerves when it comes to removing the head of government, sometimes literally.

There is no EU governor to the best of my knowledge.  If the parliament refuse to stand down - no one would notice or care, cos the only thing they do is whinge about the commission and ride the gravy train.  the executive wing of the EC is highly constrained in its terms, mandate and office - there is no explicit ruling on removing a commission that refused to go; but as the EC commisssion governs by consent only, then they would just be replaced by the member states
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« Reply #2 on: 24/09/2011 18:43:57 »
In the USA:

Originally there were NO term limits for the president.  President George Washington (the first president (1789 to 1797) was immensely popular, and remains the only president to ever receive 100% of the electoral votes.  He set the standard of 2 terms for the president which held until president Franklin Roosevelt was elected 4 times during the Great Depression and WWII (1933 to 1945), and died in office during his fourth term.

Shortly thereafter, the 22nd Amendment to the US Constitution was passed specifying term limits for the presidency, 2Ĺ terms, or about 10 years max.

I find it unlikely that a president would remain in office in defiance of the 22nd Amendment which would essentially require abolishing the entire election process.  Likewise, I find it unlikely that the 22nd Amendment would ever be repealed specifically to let a president stay in office longer during a time of crisis or upheaval.

For one thing, most politicians can't see past the end of their own noses, and while they may support the president in office, eliminating the term limits would effectively reduce their own chances at becoming president.