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I would rather have the testing done in these countries, where there are strict regulations to protect animals from unnecessary pain and suffering, than to have the testing carried out somewhere where such regulations are lax or nonexistent.
A friend of a friend of mine used to work for a pet food manufacturer as a taster.The animals on which pet foods are tested get paid.
The Chinese, of course, failed to test a synthetic protein supplement melamine that made its way into US pet foods with disastrous results in 2007.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_adulteration_in_the_People%27s_Republic_of_Chinahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_pet_food_recallsActually, apparently melamine had been studied as early as 1953 (animal studies), and the toxicity had been known long before the Chinese added it as a pet food supplement in 2007.
The Chinese, of course, failed to test a synthetic protein supplement melamine that made its way into US pet foods with disastrous results in 2007.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_adulteration_in_the_People%27s_Republic_of_Chinahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_pet_food_recalls
"But will dogs eat it?"
...Quote from: Bored chemist on 06/10/2011 20:53:06A friend of a friend of mine used to work for a pet food manufacturer as a taster.The animals on which pet foods are tested get paid....in Pedigree Chum, presumably?
My dogs all time favourite is donkey poo.
So do dogs have to pay tax on their "earnings"? I'm wondering if I could get my pets "working" for me, testing an (ahem) new variety of dog food I'm inventing; they'll need their expenses covering too, of course...!
Most of scientist are doing experiment with animals for testing drugs.first they tests drugs on animals then if it is beneficial for animals then they supply that drugs for human.
Without anthropomorphizing animals too much, for some animals, life in a cage with regular meals, care, and cleaning may be better than for those living in the wild with irregular food sources, predators, weather, and etc.
Perhaps airthimbs and bored chemist might offer a reference for the reported sufferings of caged animals - and in context of what applications tested animals express these.
Bored chemist, the fact a rat cannot understand cosmological physics is, I feel, a rather weak argument for the justification of animal experimentation. Out of interest do you think that a Rat can tell the difference between freedom and a cage? Certain behaviors in animals, as I am sure you are aware are innate, could freedom be one of these?
A fairly common design of prison was an island surrounded by sharks.
It was not just cats people used throw into fires, not so long ago in Germany there were stories of the same kind of thing being done to babies!
If modern medicine is such an ethical problem, you are welcome to return to Medieval medical practices.
A few years ago, PETA raided some university laboratories, and set their research animals "free" to starve to death, or be prey for other truly wild animals. Is that a benefit?
we ... hunt them for pleasure
Quote from: CliffordK on 25/10/2011 23:47:44A few years ago, PETA raided some university laboratories, and set their research animals "free" to starve to death, or be prey for other truly wild animals. Is that a benefit?I completely agree there was no benefit at all in that case other then a temporary boost to the local ecosystem. What they should have done was take the animals and re habituated them slowly into the wild and then when the day comes that animal will want to be free I tell you that, the door will open and off it goes to do what it evolved to do over billions of years. [^]
Quote from: Airthumbs on 23/10/2011 21:49:12we ... hunt them for pleasureHave you ever gone fishing?
Cats into the fire to watch them burn? Debts we carry that others must pay? More evidence of unthinkng bias than valid analogies. Perhaps the author of this silliness is familiar with cats who fail to jump out of fires that are a valuable fuel source - anyone know how many BTU are in the avg cat?. But it's not obvious how animal testing constitutes a "debt", who the creditor might be, what "others" must pay and in what currency. Entertining posturing but abolute nonsense.