Is it common or useful to be able to control goosebumps, and pulse, at will?

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Offline MattShay

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hey guys. i'm 21 years old. for a very long time now i've been able to control my goosebumps as well. basically it feels like an enormous energy/shockwave that streams from the bottom of my skull and blankets my entire body. it started off with certain types of music. i don't exactly know how to describe it, mostly just some kind of tune that inspires power or something. i was always a big fan of the "one man achieving greatness" type movies since i was a little kid. when i was younger i discovered dragonball z, and honestly that is the closest kind of feeling i can relate it to is when they power up. and silly me, something about watching it makes me feel as if im powering up as well (goosebumps). now i've done lots and lots of research, and one thing i've heard is that it could be just a stronger sense of Qi, which every being has, yet we can actually call upon the energy at will. do it when you run: you run faster. lifting weights? strength increases temporarily. somebody mentioned controlling the tensor tympani. i too can do this. not sure if there is a relation, but still a nifty little trick when you're diving deep or on a plane.

basically, i can't get enough of the feeling. and i can't get enough of gaining more knowledge about this. my brother can do this as well. but anyone else thinks i'm out of it (until i make my hair stand, that freaks them out a bit).

also, it seems if you practice it daily, you can extend the strength and length of time to maintain it. i wonder how far this can be taken...

*edit* just to add a little bit, i dont know if its related, but ive also been able to dream things the night before they happen on a few occasions. also, a random movie will pop into my mind. and about 80% of the time when that happens, if i flip around the tv, its on. even something that hasnt been shown for years.

and on a side note, i've come to understand dogs can sense things we cannot. while practicing maintaining goosebumps a number of times, my dog has woken up from a nap and will come right up to me and whine with his tail wagging crazy as if i had just come home from being gone all day. i thought maybe it was coincidence, but it seems to happen too much to be just coincidence.

now i've spoken privately to a few members about this ability, and i've given them my crazy theories that have been shot down. i, however, believe anything is possible. if anyone has had a weird experience with this, please pm me. if there is something i can accomplish in this lifetime, it will be to fully understand just exactly what this ability is meant for, and why there are only a select few who can do it.
« Last Edit: 04/05/2011 02:17:17 by MattShay »

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It started with music, I would get all goose-bumpy when I listened to good music, at the time it was done subconsciously so I wanted to learn to control it. At a young age I wanted to learn to control the ability without the help of any music or foreign stimuli.

I think it first began as an offset of music that made me feel a certain way. I realised that thinking about that particular music reignited the "waves" (as most people refer to the experience). After a while I relied on simply imagining that feeling to bring it on, and now it second nature.

The way it started for me was exactly the same as Shironin! Playing music, then thinking about the music, then imagining the feeling, and now purely at will.
It seems like music was definitely the starting point for a lot of us.


Also after reading a lot of these posts, I'm not sure if anyone else has noticed that I think there are only guys that have posted, which may be a contributing factor to this skill.

I had emitted that hypothesis on page 5, but I was wrong (Pumpkin is female, same page).

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MattShay: It indeed does feel like the Dragonball Z "powering up".

I don't think it is related to the tensor tympani. Some people can control that and not goosebumps. We should also ask people here who can control their tensor tympani (I can).

I think it's very interesting that your brother can do it. Did one "teach" the other?

Whenever I launch a "wave", it lasts several seconds. I can "sustain" it by sending another wave before the first one is over, in which case it becomes constant in a way.

I don't see how this would be related to dreaming/precognition. I believe that most of the wacky stuff that people mention here (sorry, I'm a skeptic) is just the result of a cognitive bias. Your movie thing probably doesn't happen 80% of the time, it's just that when it does happen, it becomes "meaningful" and you remember it, whereas if you think of a random movie and it doesn't pop up, you forget about it.

I think the reason only a select few can do this is: training + possibly genetics.
I don't believe the ability is "for" anything, we can just do it, it's just a kind of biofeedback, just like controlling one's pulse (which I can't do, though I never really tried), etc.

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I actually had no idea my brother could do it until I mentioned it to him, shortly after I found out it wasn't a common thing.

I'm sure the movie thing is unrelated, just thought it was something fun to throw out there. But yes, most of the time if a random movie pops into my head, it is in fact on television.

Next time you go for a workout, just try it. You will understand what I'm talking about. It almost seems like an instant dose of steroids.

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Blake,

I too have noticed spasms in my left hand. This is especially common after I find myself daydreaming or concentrating on something for an extended period. I also get spasms in my left eye and shoulder. Occasionally on the right side as well, but more often than not on the left. I have not asked my brother about his abilities but will be sure to do so when I see him. I don't know about running faster or lifting heavier objects, but there is definitely something interesting happening. I am also intrigued with your ability to know what is on TV. This is happened to me a few times, though probably not more than can be written off by coincidence. However, with music on the radio I frequently find a song that has been in my head. Like you said, it will often be an old or obscure song and I am often surprised that it is on the radio at all.

I am also beginning to understand that much of the world occurs to me in patterns. I believe that anyone could pick up on these, but for some reason it comes more easily to me. I wonder if you experience some of the same phenomena. It is almost as if certain periods of time are chapters in a book dotted with similarly themed events. Once I notice the pattern, it becomes relatively easy to predict when the theme will play out again. Then, at a certain point, the pattern will fade and another will emerge.

Back to the goosebumps, I have found that if I practice even basic Qi Gong while activating the goosebumps, I can create a lasting tingle in my fingertips. While practicing, I have also found that I can feel the waves being directed by the motions. I am wondering if you or anyone else is able to isolate the bumps to one arm or the other, or move it down to the legs. In my practice I have recently become able to raise goosebumps near my face, which is something very new to me.

Anyways, I know that's a lot but I don't get on here often.

Joe
« Last Edit: 11/06/2011 08:06:50 by jpass21 »

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Thouv I was the same way, start with Music then closing my eyes concentrating and now I can do it at will at any given time. But I've also worked out how to control where it goes, i see a lot of people saying it comes down from the back of the head and washes over them. For me at first this was the only way, now I can control it to go to one arm or one leg, or back up into my head. When I sent it back to my head I feel a heat and tingly inside my skull near the back of my head as well as goosebumps on my skull.

Also has anyone noticed that if you do this a lot you get hot? I've had instances where I've felt hot after this like i had to stop to cool down a  bit.

Also after you play around with this, that you slowly are unable to, like you run out of steam, then you wait a bit and again you can.


Seriously what is this useless ability or is it just us taking our first baby steps toward a new evolution in human history?

P.S anyone notice that it kind of wakes you up and or feels pretty good?
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You guys should check this out, a paper by cognitive scientist David Huron:
http://www.cogsci.msu.edu/DSS/2008-2009/Huron/HuronFrisson.pdf
It is very interesting.

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You guys should check this out, a paper by cognitive scientist David Huron:
http://www.cogsci.msu.edu/DSS/2008-2009/Huron/HuronFrisson.pdf
It is very interesting.

A very interesting read,i'm glad to see people are looking at this thoroughly now,the paper does a good job of including things.It's a good start but more needs to be done

I just wish we could all help in some way,who knows might find some more answers?

Don't know about you but i tended to get the impression that it was saying that those of us who can do Frission (not a word i'd heard before now but i guess i'll start using it)essentially had better acuity and perception (well within the moment we do this)

Perhaps if we summed it up our perception is more highly tuned?It'd ring true with a great many things people have stated here and have either thought they were "powers" or psychic etc.

If as it seems we are able to detect things more acutely (particularly concerning the section of sound within 3000-4000 mega hertz  as mentioned) it could account for alot.

Your thoughts people?
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Here's another article I found:
Grewe et al. (2007), Listening to Music as a Re-Creative Process: Physiological, Psychological and Psychoacoustical Correlates of Chills and Strong Emotions
http://musicweb.hmt-hannover.de/kopiez/Grewe-etal(2007)Chills.pdf

Here are some interesting passages:

Blood and Zatorre (2001) used PET to reveal the brain systems associated with chill reactions when listening to music. They found structures such as the nucleus accumbens, the ventral tegmental area, thalamus, insula, and anterior cingulate to be more active during a chill reaction, while activity in the amygdala and ventral medial prefrontal cortex was reduced.
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Participants completed three character inventories: the Temperament and Character Inventory TCI, the Sensation Seeking Scale SSS-V and the Affective Neuroscience Personality Scales ANPS. We compared responses from chill nonresponders and chill responders using a Mann-Whitney U test; two significant differences between the two groups were revealed. First, chill responders were less thrill and adventure seeking (SSS-V). Second, chill responders were more reward dependent (TCI).
The musical experience and habit questionnaires revealed that chill responders differed from chill nonresponders in several ways. First, chill responders indicated higher familiarity with classical music. Second, chill responders rated music as more important in their lives. Third, chill responders identified more with the music they preferred. Fourth, chill responders more readily listened to music in every day life in a situation similar to the experimental setting.
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There is an interesting finding from Blood and Zatorre (2001) showing that during chills, the activity of the thalamus and the anterior cinguli is elevated. Both brain systems are involved in attention.

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And here is the Blood & Zatorre article mentioned in my previous message:
Blood & Zatorre (2001), Intensely pleasurable responses to music correlate with activity in brain regions implicated in reward and emotion
http://www.zlab.mcgill.ca/docs/Blood_and_Zatorre_2001.pdf

Some passages:

Subjective reports of chills were accompanied by changes in heart rate, electromyogram, and respiration. As intensity of these chills increased, cerebral blood flow increases and decreases were observed in brain regions thought to be involved in reward/motivation, emotion, and arousal, including ventral striatum, midbrain, amygdala, orbitofrontal cortex, and ventral medial prefrontal cortex. These brain structures are known to be active in response to other euphoria-inducing stimuli, such as food, sex, and drugs of abuse. This finding links music with biologically relevant, survival-related stimuli via their common recruitment of brain circuitry involved in pleasure and reward.
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The pattern of activity observed here in correlation with music-induced chills is similar to that observed in other brain imaging studies of euphoria and/or pleasant emotion.
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Thus, activation of the reward system by music may maximize pleasure, not only by activating the reward system but also by simultaneously decreasing activity in brain structures associated with negative emotions.

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Hi im new my names jeff I see so many questions and not much help on answers so I hope this helps all of understand alot more I wasent born with this gift I trained myself to do it when I was young off of a feelng that there was something more there to us human beings
Now im not gona gudge or anything im just gona say what ive lerned and what I know to help u all out this gift is very real and no I didnt start out with being able to do it all I felt was something there and I grabbed that feelibg and held on and kept practicing eventually it showed it self and grew stronger u get weird feelings like u can fly but nothin happens set things on fire telekenisis no I havent achieved these but I still believe it possible controling heart rate temperature moving the electricity to different parts etc all possible and you gain skill and power the more u use it concentrate and develope it healing is a definet not only ureself but others as well holding it longer to produce it can be done but is exausting youre suply recharging in places with nature help so much and are refreshing it seems to eminate from lower spine and travel up into the brain and then into the rest of the body all of it ull also hit a stage where ure brain feels like its on fire but dosent hurt or do damage thats a highhtened level if u will also for scientific people u can be of great help the right.left rear lower portion of the brain just behind the ear and a littlevabove is the concentratiin of its power ad well it can be measure on an osilliscope and volt meter as well as thermal and eeg I lack funds for tyese machines to lerb more but ive seen other doctors tests but they wont give me the time of day for results if we are to lern the full extent of this power we need to find out more as well it is my belief that we can if advance far enf lern to become imortal by using energy from other things and soakin the energy up or posibly transfering bodies etc but we need to find info on ourselfs figure out how to amplify it imency with technology I think we are the new breed of human but everyone can lern to make the transition to open their minds up they dont call it the age of enlightnment for nothing lol feel free to email me for more questions and by the way the more of use that are in one place the stronger u become ive proven it oh and by the way music is hugh it amplifys ure power something to do with the way u feel and harmonics of the sound reacting to the silica in ure body which does dimish if. Dont eat protien and fiber
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"it is my belief that we can if advance far enf lern to become imortal by using energy from other things and soakin the energy up or posibly transfering bodies etc"
"I think we are the new breed of human"

Oh please. Drop the mysticism.

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Oh please. Drop the mysticism.
 
funny why are you even here if you have no open mind dont you see how many people are physically changing mentally and otherwise whats a matter feel left out
 disprove me other wise or shut it
energy never dies energy, always changes form, always finds a way to evolve its in all living things why cant we find a way to break our shells and evolve to become something better and prove that im wrong ive dreamt things that become real all the time ive healed people i and others created physical proof from a fealing if youre a bible thumper then im either an angel or a demon or a saint bla bla bla u believe a god walked on water and moses parted the red sea but uve never seen sh1t and yet proof stands before u in a form u can see touch and feel and measure and ure blind either or im not normal and i dont care to be i dreamt and felt this that it was possible and now it is u tell me otherwise that i havent evolved somehow
and did u even read the whole post that you can also measure this gift in extensive testing that can prove the changes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F3ovb2kZ9Q&feature=related

http://amasci.com/weird/unusual/zap.html

http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA

http://www.caroleverett.com/ce-diag.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1zBy7iGL-s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY745NxZwsY&feature=related

do youre research and lern something rather than toss it aside anyone can lern and grow and evolve


as well here is a list of common effects people seem to have in many posts and sites ive read

commonalities

well i can relate to alot of you but also can give you some advice it seems all of use have all or somethings in common and either were residual effects of experimentation or were evolving but 90 percent have one major in common we all played with electricity as a kid were shocked or lightning struck close by
the other common grounds are

got shocked by electricity when younger
can pick up thoughts that are garbled when younger
filters out and becomes clearer when older if you concentrate
watches die
interference with machines lights etc
knowledge apears in the head
can sence others like us
brain in the right left lower side feels active
predetermining that the phone rings etc info
hair on body standing up with bumps when flucuating when you lern to control it
more heat output than normal
severly alergic to aluminum
able to help heal ailments to others
can predict or see things that will happen in dreams or daydreaming

some of us have all of these some dont but i expect you will i think by alloying ourselfs to explore and gain knowledge we can better understand ourselfs and the gifts we have by the way the more of us in one place there are especially in close proximity the stronger the output when concentrated ive lerned alot over the yrs and still wana know so much more lack the cashflow but i try i do know you can measure youre output on an osiliscope it will measure higher than normal people and i think an eeg with also show what is happening somethin im working on but slow go doctors laugh at me when i ask for that kinda test also music helps make it more powerful
if you ever wana chat just shoot me an email





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chill guys you should at least both let each other believe whatever they want.As far as this ability goes you tend to find people lean towards mysticism or science but in the end we are all just looking for answers.

i mean as far as "mysticism" goes you can trace what sounds like this ability to yoga (prana etc) which dates almost 2000 years.As for science we seem to have only just started looking at it seriously thanks to some of the reports you've provided they at least tell us one thing;we aren't crazy,this ability exists.

What it does and why we can do it etc etc....it's just going to take time to figure it out.However like all things science and faith will always be at odds with each other.

Keep an open mind either way folks,lets just make sure we ain't arguing with each other because that gets no where.

As for mentioning about us having experience with electricity....well not me directly but my great grandmother and my dad have both been hit by lightening...for whatever the worth of that info is.

I'll be reading any and all info posted here,i do think it's ok to believe anything about this ability but lets try and prove these things while we are at it.

EDIT:Let me state my viewpoint firstly

I am open to some of the less conventional stuff aswell as the scientific side of things but i strive for a balance between both,if we can heal ourselves i'd expect to see a scientific experiment proving that to be the case.I think in reality it has to be this way because we'll never be taken seriously if we  just say we can do these things but can't back it up

i reviewed all the links you posted  zeruge and i'm sorry to say i don't see their relevance or credibility in relation to our ability.

I mean for example project MKULTRA;it's only relevant if your american for starters,not to mention you'd have to have been a subject in MKULTRA  for any of this to be useful.

The electric serbian;that type of testing was carried out at his house with his own equipment;it could have been modified.As for anything regarding CHI.

Well i like to believe it exists and that people could be healed by it.At the same time the video shown shows nothing.Infact CHI healing and other Oriental practises are notorious for  bending the truth and not having a controlled experiment.Thouv has at least posted pertinent information that is specifically described as what many have us can do ,albeit when listening to music but again nearly all of us have said we first learned with music,it's also got citations and sources listed in the document showing it's legitimacy.If your going to post "proof" then make sure it's credible and related to this.

I don't mind in the slightest you think that healing could be  involved,it's certainly true the mind is a powerful tool capable of doing many things in extreme conditions but at the same time you can't say you have proof when in reality all it is is circumstantial evidence and unrelated information.

Some of the commonalities like you mentioned some of us do or don't have but to be fair if your going to make a commonalities list it should apply 100% to us all for example i don't think being allergic to aluminum should be there.I'm not and am willing to bet nearly all of us aren't bothered by it-it may infact just be an allergy completely un-related.

Likewise in a previous post you mention not eating protein or fibre...i don't even know why that would make a difference seeing as nearly all of us do eat it and again are able to this ability still.

I want to be fair to you and all people posting but you seem to be jumping the gun and making rash conclusions and finally your posts could do with being spell checked and paragraphed so that we can understand you more easily-it's hard to read a wall of text.

That all said if you could video your tests etc then we might be willing to take certain things on board.
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yes im well aware that my gramer sucks
and i agree we shouldnt fight even if its in a maner that dosent seem like we are with punts my spelling sucks but im not stupid
for one the  term gift is to help the newbies to this because they can train their mind better to scept the fact whats happening to them and better understand it also wroks better if there more open to lerning thnx for ruining that one for them by the way for
 2 ive trained several people and had sucess but not everyones mind can handle the change
for
3 the list is of info it isnt proof its to help people understand there not alone and things have been documented out there that have the same guid lines as we do or are close and also info on ideas to test for ourselfs so we can determine if there true or not its a place to start which is better than uve offered for test

4 as far as the list of comonalities goes it is from other chatsites and forums like this one who have things in common
 
5 lightning is relevent beacuase either u were born with it developed it after and electric shock eg peeing on a fence being struck by lighting or having it strike right next to you like i did its all usually there somewhere
as for the project it was done in canada up untill the 1990s read the links will ya and it was just something i found that may have something to do with it or not

as far as healing goes dont even go there who have you healed by the way i regularly heal my wife shes constantly sick and i keep her healty she has ashma and animia
for 2 i kept my dad whos heart was 74 percent shot for 10 yrs and only half a valve open for that period alive and well untill he finaly had his time and his bodie could no longer sustain i used my own life force infused with his to keep him going with regular intervals
as well as many others who come to me regularly to be healed and made better call it what u want but it helps when transfering energy into them you bond with them on a energy level yes it drains and yes it costs but its my life force to give the average human in my research has 120 yrs worth to use prove me wrong dont just say it by the way how long have you had the abilitie cause im betting youre a begginer not a seasoned person

as far as ice man yes its a video but he trained in beating the cold however the relevance is that he mentions his right lower rear side of the brain he feels is active and thats comon when ure stron enuf

as far as test if youre wanting me to record and show results id be glad go buy me the equipment and ill do it oscilliscope is 5 g thermal equipment and and a 50g eeg machine and id be glad to or get a doctor to agree to test me ill post that sh1t everywhere proven to show or not i want answers too and like anyone else i have limited means to do so and by the way go ahead and try recording ureself with a normal camer charged up u produce an em field that disrupts the video and it skips shuts down etc i have tried riguiously to do tests on smaller bassis

but i dont see you giving alot of helpfull answers to get some of this stuff done so be helpfull not argumentative 

and just in case u didnt know there are many different roads you can lern i chose the healing path all these yrs and dumped alot of the other abilities to lern this one to its fullest focus my efforts in the main direction that would help people the most 

and i also didnt realize ure not the same person as before my bad but dosent really excuse either and did you scroll down the list on that link

Canadian experiments
 
The experiments were exported to Canada when the CIA recruited Scottish psychiatrist Donald Ewen Cameron, creator of the "psychic driving" concept, which the CIA found particularly interesting. Cameron had been hoping to correct schizophrenia by erasing existing memories and reprogramming the psyche. He commuted from Albany, New York to Montreal every week to work at the Allan Memorial Institute of McGill University and was paid $69,000 from 1957 to 1964 to carry out MKULTRA experiments there. In addition to LSD, Cameron also experimented with various paralytic drugs as well as electroconvulsive therapy at thirty to forty times the normal power. His "driving" experiments consisted of putting subjects into drug-induced coma for weeks at a time (up to three months in one case) while playing tape loops of noise or simple repetitive statements. His experiments were typically carried out on patients who had entered the institute for minor problems such as anxiety disorders and postpartum depression, many of whom suffered permanently from his actions.[33] His treatments resulted in victims' incontinence, amnesia, forgetting how to talk, forgetting their parents, and thinking their interrogators were their parents.[34] His work was inspired and paralleled by the British psychiatrist William Sargant at St Thomas' Hospital, London, and Belmont Hospital, Surrey, who was also involved in the Intelligence Services and who experimented extensively on his patients without their consent, causing similar long-term damage.[35]
 
It was during this era that Cameron became known worldwide as the first chairman of the World Psychiatric Association as well as president of the American and Canadian psychiatric associations. Cameron had also been a member of the Nuremberg medical tribunal in 1946–47.[36]
 
Naomi Klein states in her book The Shock Doctrine that Cameron's research and his contribution to the MKULTRA project was actually not about mind control and brainwashing, but about designing "a scientifically based system for extracting information from 'resistant sources.' In other words, torture." Stripped of its bizarre excesses, Dr. Cameron's experiments, building upon Donald O. Hebb's earlier breakthrough, laid the scientific foundation for the CIA's two-stage psychological torture method


as well i think the closest person to unlock the secrets of the human energy power etc was nikola tesla his works on even small thins corispond to human energy and by the way help when low
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_globe
especially in a city where theres not as much nature to recharge
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http://usahitman.com/sai-electric/
more sites and links

http://health.howstuffworks.com/human-body/cells-tissues/human-body-make-electricity.htm

oh and for fiber and silica and protien youre body uses more and more if ure using more energy ull crave more meat and salt etc when u charge ureself all day long

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/bio99/bio99800.htm


this info should help when doing test with voltmeters its a small start
A human body can only generate between 10 and 100 millivolts so if thats normal anything above should be wicked cool ya
the human frequency is hz
gota figure out if we produce ac or dc current how much or if both and then amplifier should be easy
so seems to be dc voltage if u show 99.9 dc at 200mv with prong in right hand negative and left pos
and then do other way around it shows abought -22
hope this info is helping and yes used comparison person they had average 20 and lower
if anyone is interested in asking this will be the most importan site youll ever need
and if you ask ill tell you why
http://lateblt.tripod.com/xtals.htm
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On behalf of the Moderators:
This board is for 'Physiology & Medicine' discussions, so please all keep on the topic stated.  If you want discuss your own theories that have no current mainstream scientific backing then please start a thread in new theories.

The thread is long enough already without it being hijacked.

Thanks.


you really are a <insulting language removed> people has a right to know and this discussion is abought goosebumps people who need answers and you just crushed any help they woulda got but u leave that other jackasses stuff on whats the point in doing the research if you just burry it and take it away for people to even have a chance of understanding tell ya one thing when i achieve what im researching  people like you will be the first to get a taste of what u deny everyone else such a joke this board is if you cant even help the people that are so stuck or lost with no answer thanx again government jackass ****
and by the way it was on topic and u cant get scientific backing unless you can talk abought it moron and get people to run tests with info that was provided to start some wheres u idiot u know the stuff u deleted shrunk

Any more abusive language on the forum will leave to you being banned from the forum - please read the site's AUP if you are in any doubt about this or other reasons for you earlier -irrelevant- posts being shrunk.

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Well zurge where do i start;this isn't an attack on you rather  an attack on your "proof"

Nearly non of your responses deal with the points i raised.Firstly i stated that your list of commonalities should be the same across the board.I'm not allergic to aluminum and i've never been electrocuted therefor it's not a commonality and yes also means that it has no relevance simply because if i and many others can do it without having a electrocuted background  it simply means it's nothing to do with it.

As for MKULTRA i DID read it and last time i checked the CIA had no jurisdiction over Canada.EITHER way i'm neither American or Canadian so your explanation is flawed.Has for healing i never said i could,just that i have an open mind to it.

As for "your research" and saying we have roughly 120 years of "life force" what PROOF do you have?

If you've done research you'll be able to provide proof and answers to questions such as what testing and experimentation you did.

I have to admit you made me laugh when you said i'd have to buy YOU the equipment so you could prove any of your wild ideas.Any research institute interested in frisson would no doubt love to test on you so by all means go prove me wrong show them you can heal and use the force and whatever other crazy ideas you have.

Oh and when you copy and paste stuff from wikipedia perhaps YOU should read it.For example it states that when the experiments were shifted up to Canada they'd gotten rid of the mind control aspect of research and instead focused on ways of extracting reliable info from prisoners IE TRUTH SERUM as stated in the last paragraph of what you copied.

Interestingly of note the scientist responsible became chairman of the world psychiatric association....maybe you should go talk to him


there's already scientific backing into frisson btw

Within science circles this ability is referred to as Frisson and there have been a number of papers and experiments released regarding this ability and it's relation to music etc.

Look it up on google scholar.


As for your last links.

The SLIders thing is dodgey at best."We can do it but just not in a test environment".Also i clicked on the source for where the website got it's info from and it lead to another websiote which was exactly the same that didn't cite where they'd got the info so i question it's legitimacy.

the 2nd link is just obvious,anyone who's done biology or physics knows the body uses electric pulses IE nervous system etc.I just fail to see the point mentioning it.It doesn't say anything about healing people or super powers or frisson.

And the 3rd link is along the same lines,yes we know about nerve impulses but it's not related in any form to Frisson.

The final link seems to have no relevance.


No offense but you just seem to be copying and pasting anything and everything in a vain attempt to say you have all the answers when you clearly don't and any info you do get is then taken out of context and you try to connect them to frisson on nothing more than your word that it's to do with it.

Lastly i would suggest not returning here.If you can't discuss things without insulting the mods and other members you should set up your own forum so you can talk conspiracy theories and crazy ideas to your hearts content with other like minded people.

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I can get myself goosebumps like everybody described and like a lot of person on the board i don't remember when it was.
I'm a girl, 17 years old.
I searched for tensor tympani in google and i think i can do it, too. If it's rumbling sound(like you get after flying in a plane or under pressure).And i can make clicking sounds in my ears (like you are gulping). When I was 1,5 years old I got an electric shock from an outlet.
I don't really believe it's about being super human or something. But it may power up our hormones for a limited time, so we feel good and relieved. Maybe it helps recovering I don't have any experiences about it.
Someone said a movie pops up in their head and they see it on TV after that. It happens to me, too. Like a music i think and hear it through the day. Or thinking about a person and see them a little after that. But i think i read about in somewhere. It was saying a lot of thoughts pops in your head and when you see one of them in your life, you say "Oh i was just thinking about it!" A lot of movies and persons pops up in our mind and when some of them comes reality you say everything comes your mind becomes reality. So i don't think humans have precognition.
I think our ability has anything common with electric people. They don't have electric in their control but we can control our ability with our wills.
My mother and brother can't get theirselves goosebumps or Frisson (i don't like this word!)
My mother said it would be about "you learned about tat parts of your body"
I would like to know if it's genetic or learnable.
All of these projects about music giving chills not voluntarily chills.
Waiting to hear from you guys. I really want to know if this ability is good or bad.

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I only registered to post this ... you might not see me again, unlikely ....


I have this ability .... Could do it when I was young and I started doing it again recently, last month or just over .... OK ... pay carefull attension .... I figured out what this really is ... and ... it is potentaily dangerious if your in poor health or malnurished ... dont want to bog you down with extra info but I'll mention a few thing you can check ... I went on a slow carbs diet recently for leveling out my sugar consumption and spikes but I miss calculated and accidently slipped into ketosis (not enough carbs) about a week into the diet I got the wave from my neck going down my spine and could hold my gooosebumps, then I was pritty much just going "flame on" whenever I wanted and turning them on at will ... I remeber haveing this senation alot as a kid ... I though it was a good thing because it does make you feel powerful and indestructable ... do you want to know what is happening here? your brain needs uses ATP as energy when it doesnt get enough from nutrition for whatever reason ... it's basically sending out cortisol (I'm guessing, as I dont know the hormone or what path it takes) to break down mustle for pure ATP via the ubiquitin-proteasome pathway or something similar .... what this does is burn mustle for energy ... not good if you get into a bad habbit of it .... I suppose ok if your in good health ... So with the reduced insulin because of my low sugar diet my mustle broke down fairly quickly before I know what was happening .... I was waking up very alert after 2-3 hour sleeping ... id taken some plaputations because of the diet so I switch back to my regular diet after 12 to 13 days but I must have messed my gut bacteria up in the process because my food wasnt digesting properly for 3-4 weeks after ... I was in hospital for a few days last week with complications (taking body building supplments and low blood calcium) ... so now I'm recovering slowely but hopefully surely, yes I made a dumb mistake trying this hypoglycemic diet but I did discover somethings .... the body builds and breaks down mustle all the time, maybe nothing to worry about if your in good health to flame on whenever you really need it (emergancy) other than that dont get into the habbit of doing this ... it is basically send out the signal to feed on mustle ... why do you get goosebumops when your cold? is also breaking down mustle for more energy to cope with the cold .... my problem was it took my body a month to switch back to using carbs for energy and even now I get the odd unwelcome senation and I have to halt it .... I'm not trying scare or worry any one .... I read this topic last month before I got myself into the condition that I am now and didn't feel the need to talk about my goosebump ability but I wanted to come back just incase somebody has found themself in my situation or just runs into problems assoicated with the ability like low blood calcium ... I have not verified this maybe still mal absorption in my gut or in part because I had several test dont and whenever I overused the flame this is whenever I got the low calcium results, maybe coincidance but please take care and keep and eye on yourself ...

take care fellow flamers

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Hi Gizem

Yeah i don't really like frisson either  as far names go but it does seem to be the main name used in scientific circles.

As you point out the research is for music induced frisson and not induced frisson,however it's the closest scientific proof we have and scans and test and have been done showing things such as endorphins and other hormones being secreted aswell as what parts of the brain are active during the ability.

It stands to reason that music frisson and induced frisson are similar (if not the same) in which case we have some answers ( i would urge you to read the first thing Thouv posted as a link)

Just incase it's abit much to read i'll post the key points below;
Higher activity is seen in:

Nucleaus accumbens
Ventral Tegmental area
Thalamus
Insula
Anterior cingulate
 
A decrease was detected in;
amgydala and ventral medial prefrontal cortex

There's more within the reports but basically if you look into each of the above you'll find some answers i believe.

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Here is another article that brings up a few interesting points:
Grewe et al. (2011), Chills in different sensory domains: Frisson elicited by acoustical, visual, tactile and gustatory stimuli
http://musicweb.hmt-hannover.de/kopiez/Grewe-etal(2011)ChillsDifferentDomains.pdf

"Additionally, chills were elicited by mere mental self-stimulation – even without any external stimulus.
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"As a surprising result, 17 participants [out of 36] reported chills without any external stimulus, by only recalling emotional events. These ‘mind’ chills were reported by participants as varying extremely widely in both valence and arousal.
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That chills can be elicited without any external stimulus suggests that cognitive activity alone may be sufficient to lead to chills.
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In our current study we show that chills can be elicited by mere cognitive activity without any external stimulus."

The article in itself is not very interesting, but I thought it interesting because it is the only one that I've seen so far that mentions the ability to summon the goosebumps independently of any external stimulus (and therefore, at will).
Even more interesting, 17 out of the 36 participants in the study had those "mind chills", which is about 50%. This seems to indicate that this ability of ours is widespread.

A previous study (too lazy to look for it right now) showed that when subjected to some music, some people have chills and some people don't. This corresponds to my personal experience when I try to explain my ability to others: a certain number of them know what I'm talking about when I mention chill/thrill/frisson/goosebumps (but can't do it at will), whereas some others never have had the experience of goosebumps/chills when subjected to something beautiful or emotional.

If we keep that in mind and look at the result of Grewe's experiment, it would be fair to emit the hypothesis that a lot of people who can get goosebumps in general also can get them without any external stimulus.
I think the reason that when we mention our ability to others they are surprised, and that we don't ever meet anyone who has our ability, is possibly that it has not occured to them to throw themselves into a state of mind which would elicit goosebumps, or if they have, they did not reflect upon it, or have not trained/toyed/experimented with the sensation as much as we have.

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Hi Thouv

Not sure if it equates to 50% given the fact that they were probably all chosen to do musical frisson with a few selected who couldn't even do musical frisson.

You might for example find that 17 of those people can do induced frisson whilst a larger number can do both or just musical,perhaps because they DO require external stimuli.

Not sure why but i seem to have a number around 25% in my head (may have read it somewhere)

Also i think i remembered reading that women seem to be the ones who can do musical frisson more but from my overall experience of talking to people who can do self induced i've only seen about 2 women versus about 30 men.

Still like you say an important piece as it's directly related to all of us.

The real question is whether or not there's a difference between musically induced and self induced frisson


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Hey!
Firstable sorry for my English  [:I]
Iīm also one of the "goosebumpers" and as many of you, I also tought that Iīm the only one until I googled that subject and found this forum.
I have always had controlle over it, as long as I remember. I read that many of you can hold these chills for longer than minute but I only feel them 4-5 seconds. I can create another wave also, but next ones come usually weaker than first one. It starts behind my neck and spreads down my spine, then into my hands and legs and always makes my face sweat. Then few sec. later skin on my legs and hands gets really cold and goosebumps appear. I donīt really like to do it often, because it makes a bad feeling in my chest(heart?). I would like to know if anybody else have these bad feelings in their heart(itīs physical) or is it only my problem?
I have used it only on really hot days, when I feel that I need to cool myself down. It really helps. And somehow I have always known, that this ability can cure people. So when I was about 8-9 years old, my sister had an eye surgery and after that I held her hand and let my chills into her body. Amazingly she didnīt feel no pain. I have also cure my mother and some closest relatives and they all said the same- it can reveal or take away the pain.
After my fatherīs death, when I was 16, I started to see auras around objects and people. I also have ability to feel energys with my hands(include my own chakras). And like someone here said before, that somekind of thouht comes into your head and next moment it really happens, so this thing happens to me all the time too.  [:D]
I donīt know if its all connected somehow.
By the way, Iīm female. So not only boys in here  [;)]

All the best! 


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Hi,
I've watched this thread grow over the years and always feel relieved to know that more and more people are out there with this ability.

I'm a 23 year old male in Bay Area, California.

I can cause goosebumps at will,though, ive never experienced it on my legs before. I started off calling them by rolling my eyes in back of my head, and after regularly practicing meditation, I can now cause them to occur at will. The "waves of electricity" as people have described them, is the same for me. The waves cause me to feel a euphoric feeling and I regularly get a wave every hour or so whether I called for the goosebumps or not.

I've started to use the goosebumps as a radar for when I find something that is very true for me, that literally "resonates" with me. The past couple hours of reading up on many of your posts have kept me constantly in goosebumps  [:D] ; I feel very good right now.

I've never experienced any signs of increased strength or nullification of pain as others(I just have a high pain-threshold not linked to VIG) , but like others I can also do small things like : raise 1 eyebrow, move my ears, control my heartrate (fun in doctors office), and cause shocks to people occasionally.

I've practiced Eagle Claw martial arts and a bit of Qi Gong (currently learning Tai Chi).
I don't know whether VIG is related to psychic abilities, but I have over the past 5 years honed my precognitive abilities to being an everyday thing, as well as have had success with beginner telekinesis excercises (spinning the PK wheel clockwise,then counter clockwise, under a jar from across the room).

In regards to posts concerning the metaphysical and "supernatural", I used to be a very big skeptic until trying my own experiments with things like precognition, telekinesis, auric sight, etc. Now I know western science is severely limited in its understanding of non-physical phenomena and doesn't want to deal with things it cannot explain in its already fragmented view of the universe (relativity vs quantum physics). Fortunately, things are changing in that regard thanks to the internet ferrying more and more information and thus communication between scientists (and people like us) across the world.

I hope this thread continues and thought it was finally time for me to contribute my own experiences.


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Offline Gizem

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I've started to use the goosebumps as a radar for when I find something that is very true for me, that literally "resonates" with me. The past couple hours of reading up on many of your posts have kept me constantly in goosebumps  [:D] ; I feel very good right now.

Yep! This happens to me too. When I'm about to share my thoughts about something important with other people or I'm stressed to do something in front of a lot of people. Like reading poems or an article I wrote, when I'm reading in class. Sometimes my family. And I get them when I listen good poem, writing, music, sometimes reading a book. Sometimes when an idea comes my head too.

Sometimes I feel bad, stressed and under pressure when I don't get my goosebumps. When I lie, before sleeping, I get this bad feeling and in order to get rid of the feeling I get my goosebumps. But I can't do them when I'm lying, so I stand up and get them. Does this happens to you guys? And when I do some knee bobbing, I get my bumps more easily. And I can't hold them longer like others do.

My English isn't really good, but i believe you understand what i mean.

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Hi I use these energies too, Im a male from Mex residing in USA, like most of y'all my experience was a feeling of high when listening to music at age 13 or so. Now when i go to a club or something i can expand this energy when apart of a song i like comes and i like condense it make it in to a ball and throw it on the dance floor and everybody around that area dances like crazy. Also in some songs where it says put your hands up in the air or have the low beat going to high beat before letting down the "beat" or ;letting the "beat rock" I feel like all the energy these people throw Im gathering it, then i let go of it with them. In a way ... energy banking idk. Most of you use it for basic things like getting hot or just showing it but also you can use it to "radiate" how you want others to perceive you, many CEO's use something like this but to me it comes natural. You can also feel a song and relate to a female and get her in the mood by listening to music at the same time and getting in the same "zone" as her... ummm also I feel it when giving speeches or persuading people. I play instruments and DJ lol ohkay bye

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I also can control my pulse, temperature (goosebumps) and often happen to text someone (i am close to) at the same time they text me x i also used to have de ja vu dreams but i do not remember my dreams as much as i get older x
Surely the goosebumps / temperature control means we have just remembered, copied and reproduced a response? 
The text thing could be coinsidence that we both think in a similar timescale
The de ja vu i have no idea

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Well, I guess I am here to un-toot everyones whistle. What you are experiencing is not "special", anyone and everyone can experience this. It has been described since Ancient Times, from the Egyptians to the Yogi's. Sure the subjective interpretations are going to be differing to say the least.

Yogi's would probably call this third eye activation, or awakening. Chineese call it Micro Cosmic Orbit. (qiqong)

Basically it is moving awareness of the Pituitary and Pineal glands. This has all been described by the ancients and us westerners are just catching up.


The next step is to find the Heart and LOVE. Yes the actual feeling of love for the entire universe, not to exclude anyone or anything. This practice is called Metta by many.


Visuddhimagga instructions
 
Contemporary instruction for the cultivation of loving-kindness — such as is found in the works of Sharon Salzberg,[11] the Triratna Buddhist Community's Kamalashila,[5] and Matthieu Ricard[12] — is often based in part on a method found in Buddhaghosa's 5th c. CE Pāli exegetical text, the Path to Purification (Pali:Visuddhimagga), Chapter IX.[13][14] This traditional approach is best known for identifying successive stages of meditation during which one progressively cultivates loving-kindness towards:

 1.oneself[15]
 2.a good friend[16]
 3.a "neutral" person
 4.a difficult person[17]
 5.all four of the above equally[18][19]
 6.and then gradually the entire universe[20]
 
One should avoid choosing someone to whom one is sexually attracted or who is dead.[21] For a "neutral" person, choose someone that you might come into contact with every day, but who does not give rise to strong positive nor strong negative emotions. For a "difficult" person, traditionally choose an enemy, but avoid choosing a person who has just wrecked your life, unless you are very well grounded in awareness.
 
Matthieu Ricard has recommended we choose to meditate on somebody for whom it is very easy for us to feel unconditional love and compassion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mett%C4%81

It is the frequencies of the music that may cause this for you, and there is already much study and info done on it. We call it Solfeggio Harmonic. Each frequency is tuned to the very energy centers.
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I'm glad everyone is getting so much from this thread - not to pour cold water on anything, but this is a science forum, so please could we refrain from discussing non-scientific topics?

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To get it on a more scientific track, we should consider the calcification of flouride in the pineal gland. This really will hinder your flow, and everyone is susceptible to this. Flouride from toothpaste and even water can accumulate and form crystals in your brain, even more of it accumulates in the pineal gland than in your teeth or anywhere else. There are tons of articles on this and a simple search on google would yield numerous results.

Here is a good one:

http://www.fluoridealert.org/fluoride-dangers/health/pineal/index.aspx

There are many all natural ways to aid in decalfication, but you should be aware that there is 2 processes involved. 1 to break it up, which natural kelp (natural iodide) will work, and 2 to carry it out which chlorella will work. There are also all natural metal detox.  This is not medical advice, and I suggest you do research on your own before deciding what is right for you or to contact a physician.

I personally think physician's are over-rated this day and age with the vastness of the known universe at your fingertips.

I would also wager that reducing the flouride intake in the 1st place, by using unflouridated water and toothe-paste would yield similar long term results.

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I'm glad everyone is getting so much from this thread - not to pour cold water on anything, but this is a science forum, so please could we refrain from discussing non-scientific topics?

Are you claiming this anomaly that we all experience is beyond science? (rhetorical question)

This is just the surface of this all too real subjective science.
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For those guys who claim to have felt this before puberty I would like to ask if you can be certain? I am under the impression the the celiac plexus which developes at puberty is also a key componet.

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Are you claiming this anomoly that we all experience is beyond science? This is just the surface of this all too real subjective science.

Not at all.  I'm just keen that we stick to scientific discussions of it's cause.  A bit like the earlier reminder from Peppercorn (which I confess, I hadn't noticed until now!)

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If you want that objective reproducibility, you can read about it after I recieve the Nobel Prize.

:P

I have been looking for an objective scientific explanation for over 10 years, to no avail. The closest things I have found is in Eastern Medecine. which was afore mentioned. Do you have anything to add other than adding that you don't like what is being added?

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You do realize that there will have to be a machine devised to measure this current to produce these results right?

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I too am able to create goosebumps at will. I believe that what we are all experiencing is some sort of control over endorphin release. I can create goosebumps whenever I want and it makes my brain feel a little swollen if I do it a lot. I find that I can create these goosebumps particularly well when listening to music or when imagining myself as being ruler of the universe or dominating someone in a fight. When lifting weights I also can do this and it helps me lift more, which is part of the reason I believe it to be related to endorphins, the bodys natural painkiller. That would explain pushing through the pain of pushing oneself to the limit a little bit further.

I am also able to see through any prescription lens for whatever reason. I can focus my eyes through anyones glasses and it has always confused people when I show them.

I think all of this may be related to neurological sensitivity allowing for further investigation by those possessing it. This is called HSP. Highly Sensitive Persons are not very uncommon. About one in five.

Here are some wikipedia quotes you may find interesting:

"A highly sensitive person (HSP) is a person having the innate trait of high psychological sensitivity (or innate sensitiveness as Carl Jung originally coined it). According to Elaine N. Aron and colleagues as well as other researchers, highly sensitive people, who comprise about a fifth of the population, may process sensory data much more deeply and thoroughly due to a biological difference in their nervous systems.[1]

This is a specific trait with key consequences that in the past has often been confused with innate shyness, social anxiety problems, inhibitedness, or even social phobia and innate fearfulness, introversion, and so on.[2] The existence of the trait of innate sensitivity was demonstrated using a test that was shown to have both internal and external validity.[3] Although the term is primarily used to describe humans, the trait is present in nearly all higher animals."

"The research on sensory-processing sensitivity, however, builds on Eysenck's views on introversion and arousal and Gray's work on the inhibition system. This research in turn builds on Pavlov's work on sensory response to both physical and mental over-stimulation, and work by Jung and his contemporaries differentiating extroverted and introverted cognitive sensitivity types.[9] This research shows that about 15-20% of humans and higher animals have a nervous system that is more sensitive to subtleties. This means that regular sensory information is processed and analyzed to a greater extent, which contributes to creativity, intuition, sensing implications and attention to detail, but which may also cause quick over-stimulation and over-arousal.[5]"

"This temperament may also have some correlation with continuously high cortisol levels, which may cause hypervigilance and susceptibility to trauma, or the same traumas may encourage hypervigilance, which in turn may contribute to high cortisol. Being highly sensitive may amplify or create psychological issues when over-arousal occurs. The ability to unconsciously or semi-consciously process environmental subtleties often contributes to an HSP seeming "gifted" or possessing a "sixth sense". Sensitivity is often confused with shyness, but 30% of HSPs have extroverted personalities. Another common misconception is that only females can be HSPs; there are roughly the same number of male HSPs as female. The percentage appears to hold true for all animals possessing this trait.[3][5]"

Here is a link to the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highly_sensitive_person

I'm willing to bet we were as children and still are highly sensitive individuals and are thus able to take greater control over subtleties in the nervous system.

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Thanks for the Post Limbodog.

I had 1st found it after Kundalini Awakening. I really doubt it is particular to ones gene make-up as much as it is to due life experiences as well.

Seriously, it is the third eye that allows you to do this.

You can regulate temperature with the celiac plexus as well, this is all a part of Internal Alchemy. Simply moving awareness, it is not fixed to the eyeballs like some would think and get stuck.

Furthermore, there is already a sixth sense and it is that of feeling. Which if you ever manage to put awareness to the center of the chest you will feel the prominent feeling of love (with a bit of work) , just as easily as you make the chills.

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I, like BenV earlier, have also just noticed that we have been here several times before. 

To those straying from standard medical knowledge on this thread:
a) Please, please Read the site's Acceptable Usage Policy.
b) Be aware that continued infringement can, and almost certainly will, lead to a ban.

Also, please note: Although it may appear petty at times, we do encourage these behaviours for the purpose of an enjoyable and informative site for all.

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That's all fine, but your grounds are unfounded, I have already said that third eye = pineal gland. It has been defined in a scientific term, you are arguing semantics.

Furthermore, I don't appreciate you adding to my post, if you want to make a complaint to me then make a seperate post or message me. Common courtesy.

As far as these being beliefs, you are wrong, these are experiences. Until you test this hypothesis you won't know. Even after the experience passes you still won't know that experience objectively, as it will be subjected to interpretation of the mind once upon interpretation and twice upon articulation.

The same way an observer effects a wavicle, an observer effects experience. It is the experience that should be the focus of this study, if you call it that. If someone does pinpoint what this energy that we feel is, than I will be first to retract my statements, until then your grounds are unfounded and just as much speculation as anything else.

I am simply asking those here to test this hypothesis and find if it is true for themselves, as that is the only truth that can be manifested, which is subjective. When we get these subjective experiences to correlate to one another we will be even closer to the truth.

I know you guys like your objective truth, but do not over-look the subjective truth as well. There are 2 sides (atleast) to this coin.

The only way to really prove any of what I say is to try it, it is not going to bring the proof of the physiology, but it will bring proof of the process.
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Furthermore, I don't appreciate you adding to my post, if you want to make a complaint to me then make a seperate post or message me. Common courtesy.

And, as I explained in the addition to your post (in a nice friendly green to differentiate it), I included those words in public view to inform the wider reader (actually mentioning why I didn't simply PM).  Unfortunately, now you've seen fit to removed them, the point is lost.
I'll hope you'll also note, for future situations, that you had shown previous 'form' for making unsubstantiated medical claims. So if I was too quick in jumping the gun this time, I apologise. - The purpose was to inform both casual readers as well as those with a longterm interest; now part of that information is gone, which is a shame.


BTW, what exactly, in your opinion, is "subjective science"?
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Offline teknix

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Self-evident truth.

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Offline Froggy618157725

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I'm able to do this as an acquired skill. I picked it up after focusing on the sensation when it happened. I gained the ability to create the sensation of a shiver traveling down your spine, and eventually found I could essentially move the sensation throughout my body at will, and did not suspect it had any physical meaning until I noticed my hair standing on end roughly where I focused the sensation. I can, for instance, raise the hair on only one arm. Creating the sensation is trivial to me, however, causing goosebumps to rise is a little bit harder, and I can't get it 100% of the time. Often when I don't, the skin where I'm focusing the sensation gets blotchy, which makes me suspect I've consciously taken hold of part of the autonomic nervous system, since that's responsible for both goosebumps and constricting blood vessels.

I've noticed a number of uses for this. First of all, it allows me to ignore the temperature a bit. If a room is uncomfortably warm, it makes me feel a bit cooler, likely because I associate it with a response to it being cold. It also seems to act as a refresh for my senses. If I focus the sensation somewhere where I'm experiencing a dull pain, I feel a sharp pain at the source. Afterwards, the pain spreads and dullens again. I can also use it to alleviate pains that don't seem to have causes, or induce minor pain in a specific region. I can manipulate headaches, often simply stopping them, if not just changing where I feel like the headache is. It also temporarily heightens my awareness. From this, I've learned how to trigger the 'second wind' phenomenon at will when I'm pulling an all-nighter. It is, however, a hairline trigger, and a one-shot. It's difficult for me to think about it late at night without accidentally triggering it.

On a slightly less useful note, I can do things with it that just increase quality of life, like causing the sensation to move through my body in time to music, or activating it during particularly emotional parts of a movie or something. My experience is pretty much the same as the guy here on the Wikipedia talk page for goose bumps.

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Offline sascad

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I've been able to do all this also. Even on the hottest humid day I can create goosebumps at will. Make myself stronger. Make my vision clearer. Make my hearing sharp. Use it to adapt to physical strategy games. We are able to control the the hypothalamus. The control of hormones entering the blood stream. It makes us stronger, faster, think quicker, sensitivity to radio waves, sound and light and heal faster. It's the control of the "fight or flight" response.

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Because of the fight or flight response we control I believe we can train longer than others so it's easier to get stronger.
At least, if you have the determination to go at you limit and beyond to push even when you're at your limit.
If I go beyond my limit I get uncontrollable (not stopable) strong goosebumps as long as I hold on going at it.

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Interesting thread, not exactly the same, but I posted a thread in new theories about being able to cause pain or damage to parts of the body, possibly by manipulating blood flow or releasing chemicals (possibly adrenalin) as a form of self harm. I've now realised it tends to mainly happen when at rest when the mind is wandering.

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=41173.0
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Wow, glad to see I'm not the only one that can do this.
Searching the web got me here, but still no closer to finding a definitive answer for the how and the why.

Here's something interesting.
When I was a kid, one of my friends had this toy "lie detector" game and it came with a device that you clipped to your fingers and it would beep (supposedly) if you told a lie. I don't think it monitored your pulse, but your skin conductivity. -At any rate, I was quickly able to amuse my friends by causing the lie detector to beep on demand. Basically, I'd induce a "surge" or "tingle" and the machine would beep in response.

Later, as a young man, I applied for a job at a large chain pharmacy and part of the hiring process was taking a polygraph. Now, I had completely forgotten about that old lie detector game from years ago, but when the technician started hooking me up to the polygraph, including clipping sensors to my fingers, I recalled the old game and started doing surges during the questions "Have you ever stolen from an employer?", "Do you take illegal narcotics?" etc., just to see what would happen.

After about two minutes, the tech stops, looks right at me and says "Stop. Doing. That." –(in sort of the same tone as a parent would say to their kid caught picking his nose.)

Suddenly chastised, I stopped the "tingles" and "surging" and completed the polygraph interview. -I never thought to ask the tech how he knew I was doing anything, but it was obvious from his reaction that, not only was it measurable, but he knew I was consciously causing it.

I can only assume from his line of work, that he'd encountered a few people who could do it before.

I’ll bookmark this thread so I can come back and check it from time to time, to see if any new info comes up.

-TB Rocket

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I've been looking for others who can do this, and it appears that search has met with success. 

I started getting them in response to music since about age 13, when a particular passage we played in band would always give me chills, but none of the rest of the tune would. Over the years I've discovered other forms of music that help it along, but later came to the conclusion that I could duplicate the physiological process that occurred whenever I heard those passages and get goosebumps without any music at all, purely from wanting to and making it happen.

I've gotten it down to a couple of mental visual cues that set them off easily, and can get them in isolated regions, mostly mirrored in both sides (left and right) and rarely in either right or left alone.  However, I've noticed at least five stages of intensity.

The first stage is the attempt to get them started, a little like running your finger over the surface of a roll of sticky tape seeking for the edge to pull up.

The second stage is erratic, with random patches of chills firing off here and there, as if I know I'm close to making them pop out firmly is within grasp, a little like an engine choking and sputtering when trying to start.

The third stage is when goosebumps are achieved, and may last only for a few seconds if you get distracted or lose grasp on focus for keeping them going somehow.

The fourth stage is the laughing/crying stage where they become so intense that you either start to giggle about how cool it is, or begin to make tears in amazement of how profound it is to have lasted this long.. perhaps 10-30 seconds.  If you can make it through this stage WITHOUT giggling or crying, which will distract you, you can make it to stage five.

The fifth stage I have only hit twice in my life, and perhaps a year plus between. At this stage you are not even focused on maintaining them, but are slipping into a surreal, trippy experience where your existence is the embodiment of a single concept, like you are in tune with the universe and you are the broadcast signal to the universe and each heartbeat is a pulsating transmission of that signal. My good qualities and bad qualities form a coherent one-ness of identity, and every hair everywhere is positively on it's fullest outward stretch and with a feeling of glowing, raw energy. 

If there's a sixth stage I've never hit it, but I'd like to find out someday =)

I might note, however, that I've got a nerve disorder also, Essential Tremor, with the possibility of early-onset Parkinsons (at age 34, male, from Texas). I have long wondered if the ability and the disorder is connected. I've never done drugs not prescribed to me except over-the-counter meds for normal reasons. I've had nitrous oxide at the dentist (with trippy, hyper-philosophical results), but only in controlled amounts as warranted by dental activities. I don't drink alcohol, and have even been without caffeine for over a year.

My attempts at evoking them have little to do with religion or spiritualism or mind-body energy and all that, but mostly with visualizing complex spatial problems.  The one that works best for me so far is this -- and any parallel to some mind-energy concept by some asian whatever is purely coincidence:

(1) Imagine a traditional-looking rudder wheel like you'd find on a pirate ship that the steering person would use to turn the rudder with, except without the knobs around the edge. Whether it has finer details like wood may not really matter. The wheel isn't attached to anything yet and is freely floating in the air, with no background, just floating in an imagined space.  Imagine the wheel starts spinning in one direction slowly, gradually building up in speed, faster, faster, faster still, faster, faster, and then as fast as you think you could possibly imagine in spinning. 

(2) Next, imagine that another wheel proportionally larger than the first wheel emerges behind it, and slowly begins rotating, as if the fastest speed the first smaller wheel is the proper gear ratio to begin to turn the next wheel in series.  Imagine the larger wheel spinning gradually faster and faster just as the first wheel did, but that the speed at which the smaller wheel was turning to get the larger one started, is proportional/multiplied by the speed at which the larger wheel is turning, to the point where the larger wheel is now spinning at the speed the first wheel had been in order to get the larger one started, and by now the smaller wheel is practically invisible it is spinning so fast.

(3) There is now a third, largest wheel behind these two that acts in a manner reflective of the relationship between the smallest and next largest, that begins turning slowly, gaining speed, and spinning as fast as you can imagine, all the while the gear ratio/multiplication being transferred to the speed the other two are spinning, at a blinding speed on the middle, and a completely incomprehensible speed for the first one.  If I can manage to keep all three wheels in focus, then I've probably hit stage five by then, but it takes a lot of focus to concentrate on only that single idea of the wheels and not be distracted by anything else.

I can be contacted at ablestmage@gmail.com, if anyone would like to compare notes. I'd like to start a Facebook group or small site dedicated to the idea of creating goosebumps on purpose..


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I never really thought about the 'goosebumping' very seriously and thought it was all natural.
Turns out, I have not been able to meet a single person who have been able to do this.
I got curious and tried searching google for being able to control goose bumps.
As I kept on reading through the posts (which was really long) I found out there were some other things I could do that weren't exactly 'common.'

Now before I begin, some of my personal experiences I'm about to write about aren't all related to this thread and I take the risk of sounding possibly paranoid to some people as I post this (take what you will and drop the rest).

First off, the goose bumps, I've somehow been able to control these very naturally and have been a very fast healer since childhood.
Like most, a blast of wave-like feeling (prickly but not discomforting) can be sent throughout my body or kept at a wanted location.
I just tried this today and learned that I can generate the surge from my abdominal area as well, not just from the base of my skull.
I could hold the electrical wave-like feeling as long as I want to although it requires some concentration and if I close my eyes (which rolls back pretty far I noticed) to concentrate, I feel a rhythmic pulse going throughout my entire body.
I can also control the intensity of it too. Though if I take it too far my body eventually experiences a jolt of a twitch if I'm not careful.

I can also control the beating of my heart.
Make it slow down and take larger pumps of blood or pump faster (I noticed an unconscious change in breathing as I focused on my heart).

Also, someone posted things about telekinetic abilities. Tell you the truth, I'm not sure if these truly exist or not, but I have frequent experiences of someone popping into my head right before or days before being contacted by that exact person. I found this interesting, but never made any connections to think it was anything weird (perhaps I can feel when someone's thinking of me or reaching out to me, who knows lol).

I also noticed when blood rushes to my head (for various reasons) I see short color changing (glowing black and red) lines move around through the air (as if seeing cells move around on a petri dish).

Anyways, those are pretty much the weird experiences with my body I noticed. Haven't really thought much about them but I thought I'd share. :)
Not sure if anybody would, but if you'd like to contact me about these (no spam please...) you can reach me at jasonk0717@gmail.com

Good day :)

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None of you guys feel it in your face at all? I feel it come from the crown and travel through my head as well.

See if you can send it to your right palm and make it heat up.

Sounds like ablemage is taking about something similar to the Merkabah.