Is mass a gravitational monopole?

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Is mass a gravitational monopole?
« on: 27/03/2012 08:28:33 »
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We're all familiar with magnets and their magnetic field, with all field lines leaving the N-pole and going to the S-pole.
And we all know that magnetic monopoles only exist in theory at the moment.
But isn't every massive particle behaving like a gravitational monopole then?
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Re: Is mass a gravitational monopole?
« Reply #1 on: 27/03/2012 08:54:34 »
In many ways I would say yes and that is why it dominates the universe at a large scale because its effects only build up and there is no opposing force.  We also see it this way because electromagnetism with its opposing poles and fields is nearly everything that we experience except for the gravitational field of the earth.  On the other hand you might look at it the other way round with gravitation with its single field is the simplest force electromagnetism with its bipolar field is the next and the strong nuclear force with its tripolar colour charge is the third however I am not quite sure where we would fit the weak interaction into this pattern.

The best analogy I can think of at the moment is to look at the static concepts of electrical charges and the dynamic concepts of magnetic fields  which is electric charges in motion.  we have the same thing with gravity and gravitomagnetism or frame dragging so the week force may be the dynamic side of the strong force as it is mainly concerned with spin a dynamic property.
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Re: Is mass a gravitational monopole?
« Reply #2 on: 27/03/2012 10:44:13 »
In many ways I would say yes and that is why it dominates the universe at a large scale because its effects only build up and there is no opposing force.  We also see it this way because electromagnetism with its opposing poles and fields is nearly everything that we experience except for the gravitational field of the earth.  On the other hand you might look at it the other way round with gravitation with its single field is the simplest force electromagnetism with its bipolar field is the next and the strong nuclear force with its tripolar colour charge is the third however I am not quite sure where we would fit the weak interaction into this pattern.

The best analogy I can think of at the moment is to look at the static concepts of electrical charges and the dynamic concepts of magnetic fields  which is electric charges in motion.  we have the same thing with gravity and gravitomagnetism or frame dragging so the week force may be the dynamic side of the strong force as it is mainly concerned with spin a dynamic property.

That's a very interesting take on it.  And - correct me if I am wrong - but the weak interaction can be explained (although not predicted) through quantum chromodynamics ie via colour charge; which would tie in with your pairing.
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Re: Is mass a gravitational monopole?
« Reply #3 on: 27/03/2012 20:53:15 »
To be honest, I have never heard of anyone call mass a monopole, but I like it. Nothing off-hand makes me think such a promotion is wrong. I will tell you what I know..

I think the Higgs Boson will not be found, because the Higgs Boson is not truely intrinsic. Mass becomes a second-generation of particles at low temperatures. The Higgs Boson is then incompatible with the conventional explanation of what mass is: an intrinsic property of matter.

Then there is nothing intrinsic about matter if it happens via a force field called the Higgs Field. Mass is really a charge. Charge in quantum field theory is determined by the coefficients of the Lie Algebra's of whatever theory you are speaking about. Mass should be the same. In fact, Motz. PhD wrote a paper, ''On the quantization of mass'' which treated mass as a ''gravitational charge.'' A monopole mass would make sense if a double poled particle was radiation.

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Re: Is mass a gravitational monopole?
« Reply #4 on: 27/03/2012 20:57:28 »
Now I really am speculating, but maybe the double poled object is really a magnetic and electric component that cancel to make a neutral charge object.
« Last Edit: 27/03/2012 21:37:00 by Ęthelwulf »