This Is Not Theory - The Moon Hitting the Earth Is Real - Very Real!

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So I have been kicked from the mainstream forums, because it seems nobody wants to accept the truth.

 So what I do is I take images of the Moon surface, Then I flip them over. Next I use Google Earth to overlay them over the Earth. I use the most detailed images I can aquire. The most important crater on the Moon, is Mare Orientale, I will just call it MO.
MO is the crater that used to hit the super continent. It may have actually been the creator of the continents, because every continent has it's mark all over it. I do believe the cycle changed due to an impact that knocked it off it's cycle. So MO no longer hit the Earth, but the impacts didn't stop. The side that faces us now, is the side that has hit Earth, during it most recent cycles.
 By the way I have a video on youtube, titled: Common Sense geologic history of the Earth and Moon. It shows the Super continent as it was during many of MO's impacts. If anyone has any interest, or would like to start a research group on this subject, please let me know.

I promise you this is fact. These impacts tie themselves together and can be proven with the weather patterns. Mainstream science will not accept this, mainly because they would have to admit to being wrong about everything. I am serious as a heart attack. I think they know about it, but refuse to bring it out publicly.

 The geologic history of the Earth is not hidden, if people would just look closely at the globe, they would see. I use the maps from the Government space agencies, and USGS to uncover their lies. If their maps are correct, I can prove it all day long, with confirmation and prove it with the weather patterns, absolutely prove it.

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I can't believe you call this on the lighter side, new theories. Why is it on the lighter side? Real science is about finding the truth, beyond and above the theories. The mainstream is stuck in the mainstream, with no way to get out, not without admitting they were wrong about everything in the past. New theories will always be new theories, because there is no way to get the mainstream, to let go of the past theories. Which after all, are just theories, so if the absolute truth was discovered, which it has been, believe me it has, they will never tell it, just to protect themselves. So who are the real scientist? The ones who suppress it, or the ones who have to fight to bring the truth to light. The only new information mainstream scientist will acknowledge, is information from other mainstream scientist, only if it doesn't go against the grain. If it will disrupt anything that is set in place, forget it!

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Without being able to put this in the mainstream science forums, I can't even get a good debate started. I would like to challenge any mainstream scientist to a debate on the subject of the Moon having impacted the Earth, countless times. I can prove with imagery, at least 8 impacts that I can confirm and in a way prove with the weather patterns. There is nothing wrong with a scientific debate, right? As long as it's friendly.

I'll start: When the poles on the Earth reverse, the Moon is attracted by magnetism, and impacts the Earth. Opposite poles attract, and same pole repel. This is the mechanism. They say it's possible for a Mars size planet to hit the Earth, to create the Moon, I say the Moon is the mars size planet. The prints that are on the Earth, show that the Moon is 3X the size we are told. Is there anyway to measure the Moon, without using any numbers from NASA?
 

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So, you're saying that the moon periodically hits the earth, and bounces off like a rubber ball?

There are many problems with it.
The angular momentum holding the moon in place would be hard to overcome.  And, in fact, we are seeing the moon slowly receding from the earth due to transfer of tidal energy.

You would have to have a nearly perfectly elastic collision, and would still have to contend to the tremendous wind resistance.  It would still return to a substantially lower orbit.

While the crust on Earth is a few miles thick which seems pretty thick.  The moon may have a thicker crust, and would tear through earth's crust like throwing a fastball at a sheet of construction paper.  If the moon did, in fact, tear into Earth's core, one would no longer have an elastic collision.  Some material may still be blasted into space as is believed to have happened with the Theia impact event, so a new moon might form (without craters, nor an impression of the Earth).



The global ramifications would be enormous, potentially with an extinction of well over 99% of the life on the earth.

There is a real risk of the moon being liberated from the earth somewhere in excess of 10 billion years in the future as the distance between the earth and the moon continues to slowly increase.  This would be after the sun has reached a red giant phase and white dwarf.  At this time, it is possible the moon's orbit could destabilize and it could crash back to earth.

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I would also note that the relative paucity of meteorites of confirmed terrestrial origin would indicate that it is unlikely that there have been repeated large impact events with debris that reaches orbit, or escapes Earth's gravity well.

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When you start your topic with "This Is Not Theory"...  it does need some more supporting evidence to even reach the level of being a good hypothesis.
« Last Edit: 28/07/2012 00:40:03 by CliffordK »

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It's not theory, according to the NASA images and the USGS maps, it's true. I have tied the images together in so many ways, each impact confirms the other in some cases. For instance, Tycho and Jackson, They both hit in the Pacific Ocean, but it wasn't ocean then. But we can still see the prints in the ocean floor. The angles on both craters are exactly the same as the Hawaii island chain. Jackson actually has 2 angles that are identical to those on the ocean floor. When I take an image of Tycho, in it's entirety, and overlay it in reverse, aligning it with the Hawaii Island chain, we can see it fit. Then when I turn on the weather patterns, which are live streaming and always different. They always fit into the shaded areas of the Tycho impact. This will happen every time, any day, next year, whenever, they will always fit the craters pattern. This is true with just about every impact. The weather patterns on the Earth, are shaped the same as the impact left by the Moon. Usually the patterns are right in the lines and everything. This will happen anytime there is weather over the impact, it will always fit in the lines, one way or another.

I stumbled across that by accident, but the fits are so perfect that it is just another way of confirming the impact. I have actually found a couple of impacts using the weather patterns. I have spent thousands of hours researching this. I confirm each impact with not only the geologic history of the impact area, like Siberia. But I also confirm them with the overlapping impacts as well. It's not coincidence that Siberia had a million year eruption, and that Mare Orientale fits there perfectly. I am sorry but there are land features that cannot be denied, on both the Moon and the Earth. I think the only way to know is to actually spend some time looking for yourself. Either the Moon has hit the Earth, or the government has produced images that show it that it has. The Moon is right there, if anything has hit the Earth, it's the Moon. I am not seeing things, that I promise
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There are thousands of impact craters on the moon.  And thousands of mountains on Earth.
It isn't surprising that a few appear to be outwardly similar.

Have you done careful measurements of distances on the moon and Earth?

I would encourage you try a similar exercise, but using Mercury rather than the moon.  Any similarities?

Your hypothesis still has to explain how the moon left orbit.  Impacted Earth, only doing minor surface damage without disintegrating, or burning up in the atmosphere, (and not loosing the regolith), then re-entered orbit (in the same place)?

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I'm also interested to know your thoughts on how the features of the moon impacted the Earth, but not the other way around. I must admit I started watching your youtube video out of curiosity but didn't have the time to invest in the whole thing, but it seems your basic point is that this Mare Orientale has "stamped" the Earth many times with it's shape, yet nothing on the Moon itself has been altered.

I'm always willing to embrace new theories and while I myself am not a scientist, I've always found that the scientific community loves to be proved wrong. That is how progression is made. I think that if a finding goes against current scientific knowledge, it should be up to the finder to try and disprove the theory as much as possible. That seems to be where a theory's strength lies - not in it's ability to be supported, but in it's inability to be disproven.

I also think that there have been enough conflicts in the world between various scientific giants to dispel any conspiracy. It's one thing for the US government to cover up certain facts, but for every scientific nation to agree on covering up something as big as this? It doesn't seem likely.

I look forward to hearing more about your theory when there is more to it than just your interpretation of maps.
« Last Edit: 31/07/2012 00:04:02 by bizerl »

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Not only has MO stamped every continent on the Earth, but MO has also stamped the Moon as well. Most of the other impact craters on the Moon, like Tycho for example, share the MO print, because they hit the same places on the Earth, that Mo already hit before. I believe MO was a cycle of impacts, with the Earth, that cycle ended when MO impacted the Earth and got knocked out of that cycle. Now the side that faces us, is the new impact side. There are impact craters all over the Moon from impacting Earth. We can see that many have been covered by the debri, from the most recent impact. 
 Tycho impacts earth, as well as, Jackson, Mare Imbrium, Mare Australe, Mare Crisium, Mare Smytii, and more I am sure. I work with MO because it's every where. To answer your question, I guess the Moon is a very hard rock, and I do believe there are boulders on the Earth that are from the Moon. I know! they went to the Moon to get rocks, right? If you can believe they ever went, I don't. The absolute prints are all over the earth, and are so obvious. Like I say, the hardest thing for me to believe, is that very few people know. Get the USGS map of MO off the internet, flip it and overlay it with Google Earth, center it right over the Great Slave Lake in Canada. It's more real than I want it to be. Imagine how it's feels knowing this, and nobody has a clue. I use a 42" screen and cans see it clearly. My friends can see it, and I shocked several of them with the alignments I show them, they just want me to shut it off, they see it so clearly

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« Last Edit: 31/07/2012 11:13:41 by RD »

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Mod note:  Moon Truth, it's one thing to propose a new idea for scientific discussion.  It's another to claim that by looking at pictures on a big monitor, you've proved the moon keeps bouncing off the earth (in violation of the laws of gravity).   

This forum is for scientific discussion.  If you don't have science to back up your point of view, this thread will be closed.

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Close it then! Just another group of people trying to keep science locked up, in it's theories. Remember that all the science about the Earth and Moon are theories. Based on the same type of research. Pouring over maps, and images, using weather patterns, and the history as well. It is no different than the data gathered by other scientist. By the way! The Great Slave Lake, is the center of an impact by the Moon. It keeps confirming itself. I am still waiting to be proven wrong, but I don't even think it's possible. Good bye!

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One thing I've noticed is that Google Earth does a poor job at showing changes in elevation.  Part of the problem is that the Earth is over 12,000 km in diameter, but the tallest mountains on Earth are only a few km tall.  So, really it needs to create a false relief, or perhaps use contour lines.  Your model should carefully review the altitudes of various elements within the model.

You certainly have to be very careful with the scale of overlapping images, making sure the scales are identical.

Anyway, I'm not surprised that one finds circular shapes on both the Earth and moon.  But that doesn't mean that they've been bouncing off one another, or even that they were caused by the same processes.  . 

You haven't proposed any physics that would allow such an event, and several people have mentioned that the moon would not survive such an impact.

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... The Great Slave Lake, is the center of an impact by the Moon. It keeps confirming itself. I am still waiting to be proven wrong

Self similarity explains what you have observed : by changing the scale (and perhaps rotating) one geographic feature could look similar to another feature on the same or different planet.

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Many objects in the real world, such as coastlines, are statistically self-similar: parts of them show the same statistical properties at many scales.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-similarity
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I have been doing reverse image overlays of the Moon surface, over the Earth's surface, for almost 3 years, just about everyday. I can actually place individual craters from the Moon, right where they hit on the Earth. Like Kepler in North Dakota, and Copernicus in Northern California, and the Mother of all Earth's land shapes, Mare Orientale. Since I can place these craters with complete accuracy, I can get a very close measurement of the Moons overall size. The distance we are led to believe, between Kepler, and Copernicus, is approx. 333 miles, on the Moon. On the Earth the distance between the 2 craters is 1333 miles. This follows a 4x the size pattern. The size of Copernicus, as it fits perfectly on the Earth, in Northern Cal, and edging into Nevada, is also 4x the size they say it is on the Moon. Also should say, that most of the moon has impacted the earth, all sides, obviously the side that faces us, had hit earth, since the craters I mention, can be located exactly where I say. and all the craters in between, as well.
 If we are to believe the images of the moon, are accurate, at least in their appearance, then we need to open this for discussion. Is there anyone that knows this, and is willing to actually discuss it? I find it very difficult too believe, that nobody knows, somebody knows! Antarctica is a direct impact, by Mare Orientale. A reversed image of this crater, at approx 4x it's said to be size, overlaid over Antarctica, shows that it fits perfectly, then the weather patterns confirm the impact. Then I use an image of the Antarctica Rock Structure, laid inside this crater, which remember is reversed, It totally proves it at that point. I believe that I could show anyone the evidence I have, and they would have to at least, acknowledge the fact that the evidence shows what I am saying is true. Even with the images, which are no comparison to the quality images the scientists must have. In my research, I have hit the obvious road blocks, like the lunar data we accept to be true, because who says? NASA? If NASA found a planet where life existed, and it was covered with gold, would they tell us? Of course not! Why is this any different? Actually, the gold on the Earth, was more than likely put here during these impacts, or was a product created by the impacts. Just like Copernicus Crater in Northern Cal, it covers the entire mother lode. If you look at Copernicus on the Moon, it is a very bright and shiny crater, and it hits right where the biggest gold rush took place. Is this the reason why people want to keep this secret to themselves? You better believe that would be a perfect motive for spreading disinformation. Every place I have checked for gold, there is already a mine in place, many which are historic, and I didn't even know existed, until I discovered this "theory". You better believe, they were very thorough. If you can put things together, it all becomes very clear, that the Mayans, the Egyptians, and many other ancient cultures, knew about this. The pyramids in every country, were built to please the Moon. Why would you need to please the moon? To hopefully keep it from hitting earth again. So why the pyramid? Mare Orientale is a huge multi ring crater, that obviously used to face the earth, since it completely shapes every continent. On the top of this crater, as the ancient's would have seen when looking at the full moon, was the exact pyramid you see on the top of the Mayan calendar. I would bet just about anything, that the calendar actually represents this crater. I have overlaid the calendar, over this crater, with incredible results, amazing! Ancient symbols I have seen in a documentary, match this crater very well.
 Then you have the geologic history of the Earth, which is another way of confirming these impacts, as they typically take place where major geologic structures exist. Like Siberia, and it's million year eruption. The Rockies, Marianas Trench, Yellowstone, The Himalayas, the Andes, The Great Slave Lake, every inch of every continent, and ocean, has been directly impacted by the Moon impacts. That is what the Images show. I use several variations of the crater, put out by NASA, and the USGS, as well as foreign images, and the pattern holds, around 4X the size. I have placed Tycho, which has the exact same angle as the Hawaiian Island chain, exactly! I have placed Crisium, and Smythii, Mare Imbrium, Mare Australe, to the point where they start to confirm each other.
 Then there are the weather patterns, which often enough, show us where these impacts happen, as well they show us where the continents, used to be located in earth's past. The weather patterns, when turned on, over a crater that I have overlaid in the correct location on the Earth, show so much. The clouds fit into every line, and curve, as if the weather was actually on the Moon itself.
 So lets discuss it! Just because it should change, all Earth science, as we are told it is to be, it will probably never happen, unless we discuss it. I think it's wrong to withhold this from people, if it's true. Many people may like things the way they are in science. I say that science cannot be factual, unless you put every possibility to the test. Even then, we need to leave the door open, to allow for new possibilities that may present themselves in the future. I believe a good scientist, should take everything into consideration, and never come to any conclusions. One last thing! When someone important, and highly educated, tells you how it must be, you should always question their information. Because it's just as easy to spread dis-info as it is to spread good info. It's a greedy world we live in, unfortunately, but it is. :)

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A cosmology that maps the topology of the moon to the earth is a fail, but you can map your experience of the universe to your experience in the womb so there's that.

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... I have hit the obvious road blocks, like the lunar data we accept to be true, because who says? NASA?

You don't have believe NASA about how big the moon is : ask an ancient Greek ... http://io9.com/5688939/how-to-measure-the-distance-from-the-earth-to-the-moon

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Mod Note:
I have merged the two identical topics. 
I will lock the topic if you continue to regurgitate the same information without making an effort to address the concerns of other contributors to the forum, including size issues, and the physics of how it would be possible for the moon to loose its angular momentum, and bounce off of the earth without breaking up, then return to orbit, as well as the "self similarity" suggestion brought up by RD.

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If you have images, why wouldn't you include them in your post?

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If you have images, why wouldn't you include them in your post?

"MOON TRUTH" has a YouTube channel with images ... https://www.youtube.com/user/lowpricedpaint
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Okay seriously.
1st of all, the continents formed due to weakness in the crust created by scalding hot magma in the mantle escaping and hitting the ocean.
2nd of all, obviously if the moon hit earth we would not be here. Mainly because all life on the planet would've been wiped out along with earth itself, or at least a good portion of it.
3rd of all, wouldn't the moon be destroyed by even just one collision?
4th of all, the moon is held into place orbiting the earth, not hurling itself into it! The only thing that could change that is a sudden change in the gravity balance in the solar system, say if a rouge star or a black hole entered the system.
Just a facepalm moment.

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Holy crap, you're kidding right? You can't possibly believe this is true. What do you think the moon is made of? Cheese? How would you stop the two bodies from breaking apart into a million pieces when they crashed into each other? Do you think the Moon is made of a giant rubber stamp?

There is absolutely 0 chance of what you claim is true to be true at all. None. It would break a lot of laws in physics.

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Magnetic dipole fields (which dominate the Earth's magnetic field at present) get rapidly weaker with distance, so it is quite weak at the distance of the Moon. The Moon's magnetic field is much weaker than the Earth's.

In addition, the Moon's magnetic field is very localised, rather than a dipole field like the Earth, so it decays even more rapidly with distance than the Earth's magnetic field. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field_of_the_Moon

I don't see how these fairly weak magnetic fields could interact to toss around something the size of the moon.

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I'm not anyone special ok I just look , but reading this everyone is say why isn't the moon just crashing , well the first thing I though of is what's the water going to do sins tides happen coz of the moon , so what wood the water do , what if the moon was so close and at a slow speed that the water wood have time to be pulled to it building up at the point of impact , been held together by both the earth and moons gravity like a in brake able water baloon, wouldn't the water keep the sufice crust cool to no brake up coz the water wouldn't be pushed away .now it mite not do that and the moon mite just crach and die but wood think that would be the case if the impact was quick witch it wouldn't ..:: just my thoughts like I sed I'm no one special just look and read so please be nice

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Aaa second about the moon being bigger . Well I don't think that can be the case but if the surfuce was cooled with water and press to together it mite flared out witch mite make reason to the larger size , just like pressing 2 balls together .and with the water being pulled to the moon wouldn't that make it a soft impact ...
Wouldn't it explan finding sea shells in the highest areas of earth and traces of water on the moon..... I mite have no idea but what happeneds if it did that's all
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So once every few zillion years the laws of physics are set aside? Come on, this is astronomy, not climate "science".
helping to stem the tide of ignorance

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I thought the moon was looking a little bigger last night.. and when i woke up this morning... I found a giant rubber stamped reconstruction of MO in my back garden.. I was proper shocked..

It was even inverse, with the ridges being dips and mountains where MO has canyons... scary stuff eh?

it even left my house standing and caused no more nuisance than a buzzing fly.

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Ok like I sed I'm no one but like I sed what's the water going to do .its not climate it's liquid mass being held together by 2 gravity body pulling from an up , down and with a stronge centre , like I sed a unbrakble water balloon .if there was water alway cooling the surface at impact wouldn't that mean every time the crust broke it would move a bit but then cool and harden .it would be like a jigsaw puzzle slowly being spread apart . Law of physic is everything yes now what if the moon was formed just like most rounded shape planets and stars ,by spinning .and sins the moon is perfectly round I first would think this than earth braking of the earth and not be fun shaped . Now why isn't still spinning , I would think if  any size mass hit the moon to make it no spinning it still wouldn't be perfect line with earth .so wouldn't it have to hit earth to be perfectly line with earth......., now I first to think u guys r right and no I don't think nasa got hiden plot but I look at moon truth pic and it wasn't the big things but all the little thinks around it started to fit ,that's why I think he mite be on to something
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... the water wood have time to be pulled to it building up at the point of impact , been held together by both the earth and moons gravity like a in brake able water baloon

The depth of the ocean is trivial compared with the diameter of Earth ...


http://www.planetaryvisions.com/Project.php?pid=2403

so the presence of water on Earth wouldn't make any difference to such a [hypothetical]  collision.

Earth's interior is still largely fluid, if the moon collided with Earth the two bodies would coalesce a bit like two water droplets : Earth would go egg-shaped as the moon approached,   ( so not like Planet-Pool in Red Dwarf :)
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Yer but talking about all water being moved to around 1 point on earth and that not including an gas or solid pulled by the moo or moved by the water .it don't have to be neat .and I'm shore there also wood be boiling of the water making massive stream presser pushing out .earth mite look like an orange throwen at a wall .wouldnt 2 large masses act muddy when hitting and going by that if u drive a car in to very muddy areas u will sink but if u are using catapillar wheels the weigh u can have is unreal .it don't have to be for a long time , just long anuf to bounce of

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Ahhh, I missed this fruity thread. So entertaining!

I think the problem is that when dealing with the mass of the Earth, the total mass of water is such a small percentage of it that it really wouldn't do anything, even if it was all bunched up on one side of the Earth.

But lets entertain this idea that somehow water is cushioning the blow, the "stamping" effect of Mare Orientale that was proposed by MOON TRUTH seems to rely on the fact that the blow is not cushioned.

Even if the two masses act "muddy", they're not going to bounce off eachother.

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They will hit of course but what if there is a layer of water with nowhere to go coz the gravity of both pulls it to one point , wouldn't it be like black ice on a road . Plus after the moon stopped making super tides and started clumping water at the equator wouldn't it cool the equator to make it more thicker , plus add that water is going to get much cooler as it get higher wouldnt the water start to act like water in a slushy machine .plus what about any extra pressers the dense water would do to a single point over and over again
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When I'm talking about muddy I'm talking under the hard crust witch is acting like catapillar wheels .isnt a arch ,ball or circle the strongest shape .so if the surface was just thick unuf could it hold out long unuf for the shockwave to come back and help force a bounce like a rubber ball
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I would like to add the issue of scaling laws to this discussion. The larger something becomes, the more its strength-to-weight ratio decreases. Let's say you have a beam of steel that is 1 meter in length. You then scale this beam up so that it is twice as long, twice as wide and twice as thick (therefore retaining the same proportions). The strength has not been increased two-fold, but four-fold (it increases with the square of the length increase). This may sound like a good thing, but the weight has increased eight-fold (it increases with the cube of the length increase). This means that the strength-to-weight ratio of the beam has been cut in half by doubling its length. Even if a sufficient repulsive force could be generated between the Earth and the Moon upon a collision, they both lack the structural strength to retain their shape under such immense force. This is especially true since a large amount of their composition is warm and soft (or even hot and liquid, in the case of the Earth). Their surface is composed of a relatively thin layer of brittle stone and minerals, which have a much lower strength-to-weight ratio than steel of the same shape and volume (not that it could survive even if it was made of steel).
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Ahhh, I missed this fruity thread. So entertaining!

I suspect that the reason it's entertaining is a result of the diversion from reality it creates. Kind of like watching SpongeBob Square Pants. But I gave up cartoons many, many years ago.
"The more things change, the more they remain the same."

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MOON TRUTH, it would probably make you more credible if you were actually willing to address the specific objections that have been raised against your proposal. You are willing to debate, right? Let's see you hold to your own word and debate against our points. Here are some of the issues that have been raised that you have not yet addressed:

(1) How can the magnetic fields of the Earth and Moon be strong enough to force them apart once they have collided? Keep in mind that the magnetic field strength of the Earth is comparable to that of a strong refrigerator magnet. How do you rationalize that as being strong enough to push two celestial bodies apart? This is even more problematic since you propose that the Moon is much larger than the currently accepted measure.

(2) How do you propose that the Earth and the Moon are structurally strong enough to hold together during the impact? The forces generated would be truly immense.

(3) How do you get rid of the excess orbital angular momentum that the Moon has so that it will be able to collide with the Earth?

(4) Why hasn't complex life been wiped out by the multiple impacts? Surely the immense heat, shockwaves, tsunamis, earthquakes and subsequent "impact winter" would have killed the vast majority of living things (including humans). If a mere 6-mile long asteroid impact killed the dinosaurs, then how could the much larger Moon leave so many things alive?

(5) I'm glad that a way to measure the distance from the Earth to the Moon has been brought up, as this also allows us to estimate the diameter of the Moon. The angular diameter of the Moon (the size that it "looks" from our point of view) is about 0.5 degrees. This is something that can be measured by an average Joe, so no NASA conspiracies for that value. If we know the distance to the Moon, we can use this information to help us estimate the diameter. The given estimate derived by calculation in the link posted earlier, the distance is 247,000 miles. You can use this calculator to arrive at the diameter. Don't forget to convert between SI and metric: http://rechneronline.de/sehwinkel/angular-diameter.php When you plug in the numbers, you get ~2,155 miles. This is in close agreement with the number NASA gives us (~2,170 miles). So here you have a confirmation of the Moon's diameter using techniques available to the masses. How then, do you reconcile this with your claim that the Moon is four times larger than what NASA says?

You say you are willing to debate, so let's hear some answers.
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I'll just say I'm am a joe blow person but this is how I'm swing it in my head.all I'm trying to say if the surfaces could hold out just for 1 moment couldn't it just maybe happen .just say the moon used to spin witch to me seem more likely coz it go more with how planets and stars formed.so if two spinning masses hit the motion isn't flat, its like skipping of each other ,with all things iv sed couldn't maybe they hold out long unuf for the 2 surfaces to roll the weight to different parts intill they start pulling away and move away
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I do think most life would die but life show over and over again its hard to kill and if to where at the poles u most have the best chances..... Now the speed the moon would fall could be slow  ,now compared that to the earth spinning and maybe the moon to ,it would be like spinning to balls very very fast and slowly push them together . They only just touch sometime not even that but that one is to do with the air 
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Now someone said about braking the laws of physics well don't the laws of physics say when u spin around u with be pushed out not in like gravity does , now what if u have a gravity so close and pulling the other way that maybe the laws of physics of motion gets stronger and come into play and give extre strength to the surfaces of the moon and earth.changing the weight and pressers of both .like I sed it didn't need to be neat .i get the earth going egg shaped but in my head that would most likely be if the faces of the moon and earth where at the same point all the time .not a hump rolling round the earth with super cool water cooling the surface trying to hold back all this presser witch at impact is the reo to the surface like steel to cement .plus with that much cooling going on wouldn't the air temp drop  massively .
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I'll just say I'm am a joe blow person but this is how I'm swing it in my head.all I'm trying to say if the surfaces could hold out just for 1 moment couldn't it just maybe happen .just say the moon used to spin witch to me seem more likely coz it go more with how planets and stars formed.so if two spinning masses hit the motion isn't flat, its like skipping of each other ,with all things iv sed couldn't maybe they hold out long unuf for the 2 surfaces to roll the weight to different parts intill they start pulling away and move away

They can't hold out. Not even for a moment. Actually, trying to minimize the time for which the two objects are in physical contact with each other would require increasing the forces which act between them. The higher the forces, the more damage done to each celestial body.

Consider this: the asteroid which created the Chicxulub crater (the one commonly credited with killing the dinosaurs) has been estimated at around 9-10 kilometers in length. The depth of the crater is around 10 kilometers. The thickness of the Earth's crust ranges from 5 to 50 kilometers (oceanic crust tends to be thinner and continental crust thicker). So here we have an object a mere 10 kilometers in length capable of generating sufficient force to pierce the Earth's crust in some places. Now imagine replacing this 10 kilometer asteroid with an object the size of the Moon (near 3,500 kilometers in diameter). That's a near 350-fold increase in diameter. The differences in their volume and mass would be much greater than that (scaling laws based on a 350-fold increase in diameter indicate that the Moon is ~40 million times more massive than the asteroid, although this will vary slightly depending on differences in density and shape). Nonetheless, it should be abundantly obvious the the Earth's crust would be shattered into oblivion if the Moon struck it.

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I do think most life would die but life show over and over again its hard to kill and if to where at the poles u most have the best chances..... Now the speed the moon would fall could be slow  ,now compared that to the earth spinning and maybe the moon to ,it would be like spinning to balls very very fast and slowly push them together . They only just touch sometime not even that but that one is to do with the air

The only life that could conceivably survive such an impact would be microbes (most likely those buried deep into the Earth's crust on the side of the planet opposite the impact site). If life had to restart, it would need to restart from microbes. By the way, it took about 2 billion years for single cells to evolve into something as simple as sponges. So after the Moon struck, it would take over 2 billion years before complex life could come back.

As far as to liken the Earth to a ball that is spinning "very very fast", I would have to disagree. Imagine holding a basketball on your finger tip and that it is rotating at the same rate that the Earth is. That would be 1 revolution every 24 hours. That would most likely be much too slow to even be seen with the naked eye. For all intents and purposes, we could consider it to not be spinning at all during the impact. It certainly wouldn't be fast enough to have any noticeable effect.

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Now someone said about braking the laws of physics well don't the laws of physics say when u spin around u with be pushed out not in like gravity does , now what if u have a gravity so close and pulling the other way that maybe the laws of physics of motion gets stronger and come into play and give extre strength to the surfaces of the moon and earth.changing the weight and pressers of both .like I sed it didn't need to be neat .i get the earth going egg shaped but in my head that would most likely be if the faces of the moon and earth where at the same point all the time .not a hump rolling round the earth with super cool water cooling the surface trying to hold back all this presser witch at impact is the reo to the surface like steel to cement .plus with that much cooling going on wouldn't the air temp drop  massively .

I find it difficult to understand quite what you're getting at here, but I've already address the two key issues you seem to be bringing up: (1) The Earth's crust isn't nearly strong enough to protect it during an impact with the Moon and (2) The Earth doesn't spin fast enough to make any difference in such an impact.
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I know what a comet will do and I know how even they can explode b4 impact but how much damage would it do after taking away it's motion and it falling at the most lowest speed of free all , that's what I c the moon more Likely doing sins it's pritty much sitting still comperted to the speed it moves away from us .now if I was to watch over a hour the moon head to earth at them speed how many time would the earth spin .if the moon was to get here from where it is with in a year yes no hope at all , that's only 365 revs but if it takes 1000 years that's 365000 rev .its only take a couple 1000 house power to move the earth of it axis a little so the moon would be less.... And I sed about a super cooling to make the surface stronger .they say b4 the first ice age they wasn't really much ice then some how have a ice age with cycles , so to me something happen on a massive long scale not a short scale .wouldnt the thickness and temp of the surface need to be charge permanently not a event smashing the surface apart rasing surface temps
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Also what if the surface was cooler and thicker that when it did crack it was like when u step on ice and brake though where the ice brakes around ur foot but not under the foot leaving a hole peace with the imprint of ur sole on it .now say when the moon hit it broke the same way but with  laws of physics of gravity around 0 sin  u got  a reverse gravity ,so now laws of physics of motion is pushing out and exploding between the moo and earth .all I'm saying is just maybe ...... Maybe when u look up at the moon and c the round dark spots that make the man in moon maybe they r presser marks

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Also everyone talking about comets hit the earth, but they r high speed impacts ,the moon hitting will be a low speed impact witch makes all the differents .tap a peace of glass with a marble and most likely do nothing but throw it at the glass and it shatters along with the marble ,it makes all the differents

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What I'm saying about gravity is as the moon start to slowly move towards earth first the water wood slowly be dragged to below the closes point to the moon but with the earth still spinning below the water keeping it stured sand stoping it going hard,pressing the water cooler and denser than the deeps past of the ocean now .when the moon get much closer it gravity on earth wood get much stronger .same as earth on the moons gravity .changing the way gravity is acting at the closes points of the 2 ,making earth act like the moon and the moon acting like having 0 gravity .now at some point laws of physics of motion on the earth surface would come in to play , sins we spin at 1650 kmh and if any object moving away from this planet at them speed it's only leaving earth.so now when the moon hit u got pressers and explosive forces pushing the moon away coz laws of physics of motion is trying to push the earth surface out coz of the lower gravity afect ,it don't need to be neat just got to work
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At its current distance from Earth, the gravitational pull of the moon distorts the surface of Earth,
see "body tides" ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_tide

This deformation would increase exponentially as the moon approached Earth.

As I said previously , if the moon got closer to earth, even if it approached very slowly , Earth would be increasingly deformed into an egg-shape and eventually the still-largely-liquid Earth  would consume the (smaller) moon ...   


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Earth-Moon.png  [ to scale ]
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I plan on responding to each of your posts, Missynmax83, but I want to do some calculations in regards to this issue first. This may take some time. I'll get back to you later.
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If the moon was to hit earth with in a year or so yes but I'm talking 1000s of years and with the surface being super cooled right at the spot the moon is having its biggest afect. plus coz the surface and that is still a solid wouldn't the thickens of the earth with it spinning change the shape more like a wheel or Pan shape ,but now add a super cooled surface holding the earth in shape ...

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...  surface being super cooled right at the spot the moon is having its biggest afect ...

The two bodies would have to be totally solid to bounce off each other like pool-balls, Earth being solid at solid at "the right spot" isn't going to stop the moon being swallowed up by the largely liquid Earth.

According to the misguided* member MOON TRUTH, who started this thread, the moon has already hit Earth repeatedly. So your hypothetical solidification cannot explain his theory because Earth currently has a largely molten core, (so it was not solid in the past).

[ * if he was to study the features on other moons and planets I believe he could find some which correspond with those on Earth,  which would demonstrate that his idea than the moon has left imprints on Earth is not the reason astronomical bodies have common features ].
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The core would stay molten .my point was laws of physics of motion would = the top layers of earth  to be = to that of a solid mass where the 2 gravity start to = each other out where the  laws of physics of motion is free to have afect.all being held in place by a cooler thicker surface  with water  trying to freeze and compact  it, with looking at other planets moons it's different coz pretty much every other planet it moon orbits different to  earth.other planets have 1angle at around 1%  of its surface but earth  the moon could hit at many different angles and around 50% of the surface
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Now how would we know the layer of earth under the surface has not been cool down b4 ,the core will try and stay at current temp ,so after the moon has moved away from earth and the water is free to move back to how it is ,the core is free the warm the layers of earth back to normal temps with the only thing charge being the surface ,air and water temp