[stu]

I acutually agree with you reasoning ,however if not the centre then the singularity ocilates between universes.

Or expands away frim point of origon. Behind which is what?

[Emc2]

There is no "behind", or on top of, or below, because there is no beginning or end.

  each "mega" nova ( my theory of massive novas ) that explodes creates one more "big bang" upon trillions of others, that go back and forward for infinity, only the amount matter is finite, and needs to be constantly "recycled".

the "super verse"

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=45451.0

[stu]

Exactly my point. How is the matter being recycled afte expansion

uni directional. Or bidirectional. Using gravitational compresion
 explain how it goes from big bang to another if the matter is dissapated over time

[stu]

Old guy.  You seem reasonable please explain one dimension as a line. Draw a line.  It has both width and length no matter how thin the pencil.   The first dimenson musy be time as is truley one dimension.  Check carl sagans representaion of flat land.  Not arguing but semantics over the order of dimensions

[old guy]

Old guy.  You seem reasonable please explain one dimension as a line. Draw a line.  It has both width and length no matter how thin the pencil.   The first dimenson musy be time as is truley one dimension.  Check carl sagans representaion of flat land.  Not arguing but semantics over the order of dimensions

Just as a point is a virtual locus with no area (a dot from a pencil has area), a line has no width, being one dimensional. If it had width it would be a two dimensional plane. Forget literally drawing with pencil on paper.

Also, three dimensional volume is a good description of "space." It can be limited, with three finite axes, or infinite, space with no "walls." What would such a wall be conceived as anyway as an "end" or "edge" of space? What would be beyond that but... more space... with whatever unseen content?
As for a center, lets not call it a Bang if we deny its origin as a center. And that center could not be just a point (no volume to contain anything.) It would have to be a ball or glob "all there is" in its pre-bang form.
If we find enough matter (finding more all the time) it will all eventually reverse into a Big Crunch and then Bang again in an ongoing cycle with no "beginning" or "end."
I love cosmology.
Btw, thanks for the compliment.

[stu]

Now we are getting somewhere

roger that.   agree what about parralell univesre theory. Be really cool to jump between

sorry for being unimaginitive and confined to popular teachings. Btw not so young myself. Noy usual uni drone

[old guy]

Now we are getting somewhere

roger that.   agree what about parralell univesre theory. Be really cool to jump between

sorry for being unimaginitive and confined to popular teachings. Btw not so young myself. Noy usual uni drone

If you are speaking of M-theory... that is all metaphysics with no possibility of scientific "falsification" because we will never empirically observe a "string." M-theory supposedly united all five versions of string theory into a "membrane" composed of any and all kinds of imaginable strings. M-theory requires eleven "dimensions"... seven of which are never explained. But strings will remain only imaginary. So will the "branes" that are supposed to "clap together" to create "new universes."
[Universe means all there is, both known and unknown, (uni-verse) so the plural, "universes" is a misnomer.]

[Emc2]

Exactly my point. How is the matter being recycled afte expansion

uni directional. Or bidirectional. Using gravitational compresion
 explain how it goes from big bang to another if the matter is dissapated over time

  the matter is being recycled through various black holes, and nova explosions, that replenish the matter..

[stu]

2 novas explode next to each other matter goes towards the other.

Were expanding moving away

your talking micro

im thinking macro

[bizerl]

Could it be argued that the surface of a globe is "infinite"? If I stand on a globe, I have an equal amount of area around me in all directions, therefore I am in the "centre". If I walk in one direction, I can go on forever. I can walk in any direction forever - there is no start and no end. On Earth we say the top of the Earth is called the north pole, but you couldn't call this the "start" of the Earth.
I know our brains are not equipped to see more dimensions but if this concept is extrapolated from a 2 dimensional surface of a sphere, to it's 3 dimensional equivalent, it would give us a universe which cannot necessarily be regarded as "infinite" but nevertheless, has no start, no end and no centre.

btw, Emc2, my definition of "universe" is the observable one that contains all the physics we have to deal with. I agree with the principle of an ultimate infinity but it's pointless to apply that definition when we have no access to anything outside what we can see. (-ish. You get my point. Right?)

[Emc2]

2 novas explode next to each other matter goes towards the other.

Were expanding moving away

your talking micro

im thinking macro

   in my theory Mega Nova explosions create universes, inside of the super verse, and they are rare.

[Emc2]

btw, Emc2, my definition of "universe" is the observable one that contains all the physics we have to deal with. I agree with the principle of an ultimate infinity but it's pointless to apply that definition when we have no access to anything outside what we can see. (-ish. You get my point. Right?)

  ok, my universe is our area of the super verse, and universes are all over the super verse.

  as far as infinity, it is not unreal, it is reality.

   First of all, everything that exists today, came into existence only one of two ways.

  1) it was created  ( two most popular )
       A)  self created sub atomic particle as in the Big Bang theory
       B)  created by something or some being

  2) It has all always existed.

  Position 1A leads to for example, if a particle could "self Create", then logic dictates that it has so in the past, and could do so again in the future.  If in the past, then you are into infinite regress, hence it always has been here anyways.

  Position 1B  leads to , what created the being or thing that created everything, and so on again into a infinite regress.

  So logic dictates Position 2,  infinity is the only logical conclusion.