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quote:There is one thing in existance that humans know for a fact to fit all these criteria: The Laws of the Universe.
quote:Biology: Governed by Organic Chemistry
quote:And is it not true that that laws of the Universe are everywhere?
quote:Are they not all powerfull, in that nothing can break them?
quote:-The Laws of the universe are strict, in that those that fail to understand them are smitten. Such as the Numbian Kingdom that cut down all its trees and destroyed itself by dessertifiying their lands.
quote:-The Laws of the Universe offers mankind, its most promising creation, as far as we know, everlasting life in the form of computer/mind data transfer and storage in the form of molecular and quantum computers.
quote:By bending the universe to our wills while never disobeying the truely devine,
quote:PS. Through multi-verse tunneling, powered by Zero point energy, it may be possible to learn why the laws of the unviverse are as they are. If this can ever be discerned, than perhaps even such laws can be manipulated and mankind, can surpase the Laws of the Universe as god.
quote:Originally posted by Atomic-Squote:And is it not true that that laws of the Universe are everywhere? Well, we don't know that, now do we?
quote:quote:Are they not all powerfull, in that nothing can break them? as far as humans are able, at least.
quote:quote:-The Laws of the universe are strict, in that those that fail to understand them are smitten. Such as the Numbian Kingdom that cut down all its trees and destroyed itself by dessertifiying their lands.If this is so, it is also scary. It also has far reaching implications for the way humans live and what they seek to accomplish. One might even go so far as to say, upon contemplating the implications, "Heaven help us!"
quote:Originally posted by adamg]My reference to the Numibian Trees was only as a small example of humans who defied the laws of ecology.
quote:It applies to all cases where humans are idiotic enough to completely destroy a resource they rely on, only to find themselves destoryed by their own making.
quote:On easter Island the same occured, the inhabitants, in order to build ever larger statues, (leaders with larger statues were considered more noble) cut down all their trees and found that they had nothing to eat, and that the soil was eroding. They destroyed themselves because they were too stupid to see the interconnections of the biosphere.In Greenland, the first Vikings were wiped out because they insisted on building large churches. So they cut down all the available trees, (which where quit limited) and built the churches only to find that without trees their was no way to heat their homes.
quote:Or take the example of the Gulapagos Islands where fisherman devestated the Sea Cucumber population for profit. Why would such people not agree to conservation fishing? Then they would make much more money in the long run, yet they chose to overfish and now their golden egg laying goose is dead.
quote:90% of all large fish have been taken out of the ocean in the last 50 years, according to the IMAX film, "Deep Sea", and that was done by people too stupid to sea that they are destroying their own livly hoods.
quote:Or look at the Brazilian Rainforests, which are being burned and cleared so that farmers can have 1 good season for planting before the nutrients are forever leached from the soil and forced to burn more precious forests.
quote:These forests, besides acting as the lungs of the planet, also contain potential cures for any and possibly all diseases, perhaps even to aging itself. Yet they are being wiped out by ignorant peasent farmers and loggers for short term profit.
quote:Today in Shanghai over 1/3 of the days of the year face air not fit for human consumption, in Mexico City 1 day of breathing their air is akin to smoking 21 cigarrettes.
quote:My point is that the Laws of the Universe smite all those who throw off the balance of the ecosystem, and humans have proven to be the most addepts creatures at this task in the history of the earth.
quote:Originally posted by adamgThe question of what should the 3rd world do to grow its economy is, perhaps the most important ecological question in history. China and India have discovered that economic growth is wonderfull and have embraced more and more free market ideas to spur on that growth. But if they achieve the growth threw the burning of coal, as they are currently doing, then they will destory themselves and possibly the world.
quote:That is why I am glad to see China taking seriously the issue of air pollution by planting gardens on Shanghai roofs. They are also very active in developing Solar technologies and the 3 Georges Dam is a wonderful project that will provide 18 gigawatts of electricty, the equivalent to thousands of coal fired plants.
quote:As for the rest of the developing world, that is a much harder topic. While China and India are rich enough to afford alternatives and are able to attract investment, most poor nations can't.Nations such as those in Africa will need to be supported by the developed world in the form of massive subsidies in order to grow their economies in a sustainable manner.
quote:Of course for that to happen the governments of these nations would have to be much less corrupt, which may be asking to much.I fear that Africa in the future will become a hellhole that no one wishes to touch with a ten foot pole. The population of the continent is expected to double by 2050 and they can't support the population they have now without massive improvements to their current infrastructure.
quote:Yet with the developed world still unable to deal with its own pollution problems, it may come to pass that nothing can be done to achieve sustainable growth.
quote:The population of humanity will continue to grow until it peaks at 10 billion and the earth becomes to exhausted to support an inefficient mankind. Then a great die off will occur as billions are killed in a massive ecological upheaval.
quote:Those in the west will not be spared, although we will most likely have a slightly easier time not perishing.
quote:Originally posted by Soul SurferWe are only just starting to understand and appreciate the laws of complexity and ecology and without taking them into consideration we are doomed