0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
is technically impossible for humans to fly.
I am allowed some leeway since it is science fiction and talking about creatures that are not exactly human.1: To a slender human with the height of 5"2 and a wing span (can vary, maybe longer or shorter) of nearly eight meters. Rigidly bat textured(are bat textured wings meant for gliding, not flying?)
2: How far can I justify this with a difference in anatomy as in muscle fiber density, type, and/or strength.
3: Would the strength/resilience of the wings take into account anything like weight?
It might all depend on what you consider flight.If you are talking about gliding, like a flying squirrel. Consider hang Gliders, or para sails.You might also consider ...sorry, you cannot view external links. To see them, please
REGISTER or LOGIN. The biggest issue is landing, although apparently a few people have attempted chuteless landings.
I know this question isn't technically a part of the physics forum, but it does have to do with physics in general as well as anatomy. How much stronger would the chest muscles have to be to support flight in this manner? Not necessarily more fiber, but more powerful fiber (amount < quality).
Also; a tail is usually used as a stabilizer, correct? How do bat's get away with this exclusion, body shape, wing membrane?
The muscle tissue is all wrong for such flight.
The largest problem I am having to come up with is the bones as you have stated. Having hollow bones does make for an easier flight, but at the cost of durability (I know that I probably won't be able to outsmart evolution's billions of years in adaptation and solve the problem over night, but i'm trying to come up with a solution).
I know this question marks in a physiological section, but again it also has to do with aviation and lift (physics). If this creature had humanoid shape, but a completely different biological makeup and fiber pattern would it still be possible (in even a remote way)?
RIGHT! Stand by your beds.Sorry Voxx, I have been a tad busy of late, but now I am here and ready and able to deal with your SF requirements.Let the voice (well, typed word) of genius be heard (well, read).Forget the wings, without a wishbone you're never going to get your airborne super hero, well, airborne.Now your flying fictional fantasy needs a few modifications to the human form.Think of the good ol' British Bobby.... Does your head go to the top of that helmet?That's the first thing you need to alter, a pointy bonce is required for the aerodynamics. Keeping the Fuzz in mind, a huge pair of "plates o' meat" (feet) are also required to mimic the bird's tail, thus giving stability and steering to the flight.Now to the all important means of propulsion. Again a modification is required, though this one will not be evident from an external view. This is great, since it gives your soaring spectacle the benefit of surprise, if'n you'll pardon the pun.Your supersonic semi-sapien will require a bowl capable of withstanding immense pressure and a similarly super sphincter. Whatever you do, donít forget the non return valve, or you'll end up with 'Round the World in Eighty Days' balloon instead of a devilish dart. Now for the diet, this will need to be 100% beans. I suggest flatulent flageolet beans might be best. All you need now is a self igniting posterior and perhaps a pair of afterburner underpants (worn over the trousers, of course) and its up, up and away......
Ah! I seem to have gotten hold of the wrong end of the stick. I also seem to have equipped my flying fantasy with a bowl in place of a bowel. Well, even a genius can have a bad day.Might I suggest that your demonic diva takes a leaf or two from the prehistoric ...sorry, you cannot view external links. To see them, please
REGISTER or LOGIN. Though, strictly speaking, they were gliders rather than flyers, I'm sure with a little tweek here and there, you'll be able to overcome this minor detail. What's more, in true TNS style, you'll be able to fit an obtuse pun into the whole affair, when the frightened populous below shout "Run for cover, terror soars above."MAD!?!?!? Little ol' moi!?!?!? Certainly not. The cheek of it, I'm not mad, I'm stark staring BONKERS!
Haha! Love your responses (Is Don a pun for professor,
Iris, Horus and Ma'at do have wings indeed;
I doubt I can run it in any kind of scientific sense, but could the four horns (being stationary) be used to acquire maneuverability?
To overcome these barriers, you could imagine:- Reduced gravity, such as flying inside a cavern on the Moon, or in an orbiting spaceship- Thicker atmosphere than the Earth, but this would reduce speed
If you're looking at science fiction, a dense atmosphere might help. We can swim easily in water because it is so dense. With slightly less gravity and slightly denser air, perhaps something that would seem clunky and non-aerodynamic on Earth, may be able to "fly".
Hollow bones are amongst the strongest structures known as I get it, relative its mass. Apply a force on a hollow bone and it will 'flow' around it, to break that bone it will be much easier to twist it than just trying to 'split it' in two, which is why the worst and most usual bone breaks comes from twisting forces. And you need a denser atmosphere, lighter bone structure, maybe using some incredibly surprisingly strong nano carbon structure (filaments building that hollow bone). There is a reason why nature gives different species what they have, and it has to do with a planets mass, the atmosphere (oxygen content etc) and what the animal does, as flying. I think Don was thinking in the right way there looking back in time and place, if it is Earth you want to use? Otherwise you can use a lot of stuff Mini black holes rotating inside a hollow world should give a lot of exciting effects for example, depending on how stable your configuration needs to be. On the other hand there do not exist anything stable in the universe, as far as I know. All systems are non linear, if combined dynamically, observed over a time period long enough.
No, it's not possible, not as I can see now anyway. But maybe your creatures are planning to make it possible? In that case, will they also allow humanity to exist and breath, in that new atmosphere?==This is assuming that they indeed evolved from some denser atmosphere. The smaller you make something the stronger it becomes though, relative its mass, biologically seen. A spiders legs should break under its mass, if I got it right, when extrapolated to the size of a human.
You mentioned "demonic energy". Perhaps this is somehow related to the conversion of mass to energy in which case her mass could be reduced and energy increased (although I'd imagine the reduction in mass would be negligible and the increase in energy would be astronomical).Or perhaps she can somehow interrupt the theoretical Higgs field and become as massless as she needs to obtain flight on any planet?I would have thought the multiple organs argument is a bit like fuelling a rocket. The more fuel you use, the heavier the rocket and the more fuel you need... but I don't have any figures I'm sorry.
Helpful without flaw! Thank you for the thought. I haven't gotten into Higg's Field theory, but the Demonic Energy is in essence pulled from their own dimension. So in sense it could: fuel their energy output by an enormous amount (as you said), Create a sphere of sorts that pulls them into that kind of dimensional zone (thereby causing them to have the same atmospheric properties as their home, or plain have their mass reduced because of the torrent of energy being able to lessen their density and reform it when needed to defend (of course they would fall out of the sky because of weight, but it only need be for a second to repel the attack).What do you think is the best option (scientifically)?
Quote from: Voxx on 01/03/2013 14:48:57Helpful without flaw! Thank you for the thought. I haven't gotten into Higg's Field theory, but the Demonic Energy is in essence pulled from their own dimension. So in sense it could: fuel their energy output by an enormous amount (as you said), Create a sphere of sorts that pulls them into that kind of dimensional zone (thereby causing them to have the same atmospheric properties as their home, or plain have their mass reduced because of the torrent of energy being able to lessen their density and reform it when needed to defend (of course they would fall out of the sky because of weight, but it only need be for a second to repel the attack).What do you think is the best option (scientifically)?I can't comment scientifically and I think that once you get into the realm of "extra-dimensional demons" then it is difficult to do so anyway.I can comment from the point of view of a reader of science fiction and say that the dimensional bubble idea would annoy me and make me wonder how exactly this creature would interact with the world they were in, what happens to the displaced area of the bubble and if a creature has this much ability, why is it even bothering to be in another world and fighting like a common flesh-slave (ie. us!).If it possessed the ability to alter itself within certain confinements (again, too much power and why does it even bother using matter?) it would be much more plausible to me and create more reason to have to physically interact with it's surroundings, as well as introduce weakness which could be exploited.