Were the Lunar Rovers faked?

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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #50 on: 12/11/2013 22:13:27 »
...and I've had Hollywood special effects people from the 60's and 70's who were front screen projection experts tell me that I absolutely have nailed the Apollo footage as being the result of front screen projection. Just go to any Apollo site and look and you will see they have to hide the bottom of the screen....
- Jay Weidner, renowned author, filmmaker, Kubrick authority


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfK7HLePcn8 [nofollow] [cue to 3:08 mark]
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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #51 on: 12/11/2013 22:26:46 »
Where is the "Kubrick-line" hiding the bottom of the scotchlite-screen in this moon image ? ...

[attachment=18176]
http://grin.hq.nasa.gov/ABSTRACTS/GPN-2000-001289.html

No Kubrick-line in this apollo image , nor this one either.

The real scandal about putting men on the moon was the cost : about 1% of  America’s GDP per trip.

That huge sum of money could have been spent more wisely, e.g. like building additional secure mental health facilities‡ to house paranoid conspiracy-theorists.

[ ‡ preferably without internet access ]
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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #52 on: 13/11/2013 03:22:02 »
RD,

Why is the Hasselblad crosshair UNDER the rover in your first 2 photos? Did you know Hasselblad crosshairs are ETCHED into the glass and its impossible for it to be underneath a photo? All 3 Apollo 16 photos you posted are fake. (Your last photo also has missing crosshairs.) These photos have been tampered with.

Lets hear your explanation and excuse for this.





                         ^WTF?
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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #53 on: 13/11/2013 13:09:33 »
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Did you know Hasselblad crosshairs are ETCHED into the glass and its impossible for it to be underneath a photo?
Which glass?
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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #54 on: 13/11/2013 13:20:50 »
RD,
Why is the Hasselblad crosshair UNDER the rover in your first 2 photos?

See "crosshair knockout" on this page ... http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/iangoddard/moon01.htm


[ BTW how about attributing the quote in your previous post from an unnamed person claiming unnamed Hollywood "experts" told him his belief that Apollo footage was faked via front-projection was correct ].
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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #55 on: 13/11/2013 13:34:01 »
Which glass?

The Apollo surface Hasselblad cameras were fitted with a device called a reseau plate. The reseau plate is a clear glass plate on which is etched small black crosshairs, called "fiducials".

"Fiducials" are always on top of the film.

Despite the tampering and editing of the photo #2, there is the Kubrick Horizontal right where it should be exposing the fake set....

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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #56 on: 13/11/2013 13:45:11 »
RD,
Why is the Hasselblad crosshair UNDER the rover in your first 2 photos?

See "crosshair knockout" on this page ... http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/iangoddard/moon01.htm [nofollow]


[ BTW how about attributing the quote in your previous post [nofollow] from an unnamed person claiming unnamed Hollywood "experts" told him his belief that Apollo footage was faked via front-projection was correct ].

Thats actually a Jay Weidner quote, I'll fix that.

Weidner is a cinematographer and the sleuth who has uncovered all this fakery and that Kubrick was behind all this fake moon footage using front screen projection to do it.

Also it doesnt matter much about the crosshairs, they still cant hide the fake set. There is the Kubrick Horizontal on your photo #3...



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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #57 on: 13/11/2013 14:00:49 »
I think you have drawn it in the wrong place!

You need to find the boundary between the local plain and the distant feature. This should be quite sharp if the camera is low enough bcause there is no atmospheric haze. Unfortuntately in this shot the camera is quite a bit higher than the middle-distance detail so there is no distinct local horizon for you to draw.

You have made the same mistake in the previous posting too.
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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #58 on: 13/11/2013 14:11:51 »
RD,
Why is the Hasselblad crosshair UNDER the rover in your first 2 photos?

See "crosshair knockout" on this page ... http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/iangoddard/moon01.htm

The thread in front of the lens in the experiment shown on that badastronomy page,
 (analogous to opaque cross-hairs in front of the film),
 can be made to disappear completely in front of white objects if the contrast is increased ...

[attachment=18178]
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/iangoddard/moon01.htm ["crosshair knockout"]
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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #59 on: 13/11/2013 14:34:07 »
Here is the Hi-Res on photo #1....the crosshair is washed out but visible...I'll give you the crosshair anomalies...

http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/apollo/apollo15/hires/as15-82-11121.jpg [nofollow]


Found something very interesting about a process called Stereoscopic Parallax....and it exposes the Kubrick sets in a graphic fashion...bringing the Kubrick Horizontals to life...

http://www.aulis.com/stereoparallax.htm [nofollow]




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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #60 on: 13/11/2013 14:41:41 »
I think you have drawn it in the wrong place!


It's possible. I'll need to learn this process called stereoscopic parallax which UNVEILS the fake set.

In case RD missed it here it is again.....





RD are you seeing any light yet? Or are you still a diehard Apollo apologist in denial.....


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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #61 on: 13/11/2013 15:15:52 »
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Found something very interesting about a process called Stereoscopic Parallax....and it exposes the Kubrick sets in a graphic fashion...bringing the Kubrick Horizontals to life!

So what rotated the flat projected image of the mountains, and why?
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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #62 on: 13/11/2013 15:19:59 »
[ BTW how about attributing the quote in your previous post from an unnamed person claiming unnamed Hollywood "experts" told him his belief that Apollo footage was faked via front-projection was correct ].

Thats actually a Jay Weidner quote, I'll fix that.

Thanks for adding the attribution* [to Mr Weidner].
Apparently Mr Weidner's "authority" on the works of Mr Kubrick is not sufficient for him to have obtained the approval of Mr Kubrick's estate for his film, i.e. Mr Weidner is not an official spokesperson for the late Mr Kubrick ...

[attachment=18181]
http://youtu.be/QY_SaDTeFpI?t=30s

[ * I don't suppose you could do the same for the unnamed Hollywood "experts" who told him his belief that Apollo footage was faked via front-projection was correct ].

... it doesnt matter much about the crosshairs …

Then why did you introduce the subject ?

There is the Kubrick Horizontal on your photo #3...

If such a screen existed it would have to extend across the entirety of the frame , not stop short as you have indicated (on LHS), [ BTW can you give us an insight into your deranged mind by drawing the “Kubrick Horizontal ” on image #1  [?] ]


Re : parallax effects

First you say absence of parallax effects , (when they actually exist ), is proof of fakery,

now you say the effects of parallax do exist and are proof of fakery.

i.e. the presence or absence of the same phenomenon is proof of fraud,
i.e. no matter what evidence is produced it will be interpreted by you as evidence of fraud, 
i.e. you are insane.


RD are you seeing any light yet? Or are you still a diehard Apollo apologist …

I have not said anything remotely apologetic about the Apollo program in this thread,
quite the reverse : I have criticized the Apollo program as a waste of money.

So you must be mistaking me for some other contributor to this discourse , (one of the voices in your head perhaps ?).   
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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #63 on: 13/11/2013 23:29:32 »

So what rotated the flat projected image of the mountains, and why?

Looking closer at these, everything looks like part of a scaled down artificial panorama....

For example this Mt Hadley summit should be 22 miles away with a 1.5 mile horizon, but when you freeze the foreground and view in stereo parallax the summit looks only 40-50 meters away and the horizon 20 meters. Source of Mt Hadley gif here [nofollow]

When you give a 200+ I.Q. Stanley Kubrick a blank check, he's going to produce some genius and brilliance....and filming of 2001 Space Odyssey (in collaboration with NASA East in England) was a 5+ year R&D vehicle for these cinematic techniques and the fakery we are seeing....

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« Reply #64 on: 14/11/2013 00:19:04 »
Scaled down "artificial panorama" then explains the reason RD doesnt see a Kubrick Horizontal on his first photo. (I didnt see one either at first)

Kubrick Horizontal for RD photo #1 is located at the TOP of the scaled down mountain.

According to NASA this peak should be 1500+ kilometers away, but stereo parallax reveals its only 50 meters....
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« Reply #65 on: 14/11/2013 01:15:54 »
Looking closer at these, everything looks like part of a scaled down artificial panorama....

That can happen with stereo photography if the camera positions are further apart than the distance between human eyes ...

Quote from: wikipedia.org/Stereo_photography
... Pictures taken in this fashion take on the appearance of a miniature model, taken from a short distance, and those not familiar with such pictures often cannot be convinced that it is the real object
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereo_photography#Limitations_of_hyperstereo

[ Some photographic techniques can make reality can look like a miniature (models), e.g.  http://vimeo.com/9679622  ]

... when you freeze the foreground and view in stereo parallax the summit looks only 40-50 meters away and the horizon 20 meters

It would be difficult to accurately judge distances by eye on a self-similar lunar landscape which doesn't include objects whose size is known. You haven't told us where you get these "looks only" numbers from.

... freeze the foreground ...

The image you have posted is highly manipulated, you should have added the caption to indicate that (according to "aulis.com") it includes ...
Quote from: aulis.com
...  Transformations of scale, rotation, reverse distortion, perspective, shift and the convergence of the two images into a stereoscopic image ...
aulis.com/stereoparallax.htm

The aulis site says the separation of the camera positions in the lunar stereo image was "20cm" , (although I don't know where they got that figure). 20 cm is wider than the distance between human eyes and would account for the scaled-down miniature (model) effect ...

Quote from: wikipedia.org/Stereo_photography
For making stereo images featuring only a distant object (e.g., a mountain with foothills), the camera positions can be separated by a larger distance (called the "interaxial" or stereo base, often mistakenly called "interocular") than the adult human norm of 62–65mm. This will effectively render the captured image as though it was seen by a giant, and thus will enhance the depth perception of these distant objects, and reduce the apparent scale of the scene proportionately
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereo_photography#Longer_base_line_for_distant_objects_.22Hyper_Stereo.22
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« Reply #66 on: 14/11/2013 02:33:48 »
When you give a 200+ I.Q. Stanley Kubrick a blank check, he's going to produce some genius and brilliance ...

Mr Kubrick’s actual IQ isn’t important, but that you apparently believe it was "200+" is ...

Quote from: tvtropes.org
[Kubrick] did poorly in school and even stated that his IQ was below average.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Creator/StanleyKubrick?from=Main.StanleyKubrick

Quote from: tasteofcinema.com
[Kubrick] Claims that his IQ is below average.
http://www.tasteofcinema.com/2013/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-stanley-kubrick/

Average IQ is 100.
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« Reply #67 on: 14/11/2013 09:52:24 »
Not possible Kubrick had an 'average' I.Q. 

Kubrick was not only a creative & artistic genius, but also chess master who could have achieved grand master. According to his biography Kubrick I.Q. tested 'above average' [nofollow]

"Claimed that his IQ was below average. It was rumored, however, that his IQ was around 200." http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000040/bio [nofollow]

Anyone with common sense would also know that NASA wouldnt hire someone who wasnt a genius to orchestrate and direct their Apollo moon hoax
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« Reply #68 on: 14/11/2013 11:54:17 »
Not possible Kubrick had an 'average' I.Q. 

His true IQ is irrelevant, that he said it was below average, (below 100) , whilst individuals such as yourself repeat , without any hard evidence, that it was “200+” : i.e. you use fictional numerical values to support your argument , (you’re not going to get away with that in a science forum).

Neither of the pages you’ve linked to in the above post state that Mr Kubrick had his IQ measured by X and it was “200+”.
Biographies are usually written by a fanboys who are not objective, idolize their subject so are prone to exaggeration, and something which is “rumoured” is not proof of anything.

If Mr Kubrick has written an autobiography wouldn’t that be the ideal opportunity to say, “ I faked the Apollo moon footage ” as, if true, it would be his greatest achievement.
Has Mr Kubrick ever written, “ I faked the Apollo moon footage ” or “ my IQ was measured by X and is 200+”  ?
[ the people who have been measured as having extremely high IQ can tell you exactly what it was , not approximate values  like “200+” ]

… NASA wouldnt hire someone who wasnt a genius to orchestrate and direct their Apollo moon hoax

If NASA wanted to fake footage they would just need to hire the type of special-effects technicians Mr Kubrick used , they wouldn’t need to use a famous film director.
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« Reply #69 on: 14/11/2013 13:33:44 »
I have criticized the Apollo program as a waste of money

Apollo program certainly didnt waste any money on rivets...



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« Reply #70 on: 14/11/2013 13:35:47 »
They did go a little heavy on the scotch tape however...

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« Reply #71 on: 14/11/2013 14:23:10 »
Apollo program certainly didnt waste any money on rivets...

They did go a little heavy on the scotch tape ...

As the lunar lander was a first, an innovation , to say "it looks improvised / not-right to me" , isn't valid criticism or proof that the moon landings didn't occur. What was the lander supposed to look like ? , like the spacecraft people have seen in fictional movies ?. The lander was not designed to land on a body with an atmosphere so wouldn't have to be aerodynamic or bullet-proof like the sci-fi versions of spacecraft.
It was made to be as light as possible, so being clad metal-foil just thick enough to shield the electronics from solar-radiation was sufficient.   

There is footage on YouTube of lunar lander trainers being flown on Earth , which despite looking like a "flying beadstead" did work ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbdJPuq08Wc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlJGQ92IgFk  [ sound-effects have been added , but not by NASA ]

http://youtu.be/ROWUfFfNilA?t=47s

But don't tell me, let me guess, all this footage has been faked.
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« Reply #72 on: 14/11/2013 15:16:09 »
What was the lander supposed to look like ?

Apollo Lunar Module (also known as LEM, not to be confused with LEMON) had a cost of $350 million usd, equivalent in 2013 dollars to $2,229,299,363.06

http://www.davemanuel.com/inflation-calculator.php [nofollow]


One would think a 2.2 billion dollar budget could purchase a safer heat resistant silicon or high temperature epoxy to hold critical life sustaining insulation panels instead of scotch tape. Common sense also tells anyone its risky to experiment ones life with tape to withstand extreme lunar surface temperatures or potential hit by small space meteorites or debris.

Lunar diurnal temperature range: (roughly -250 F to +250 F)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/factsheet/moonfact.html [nofollow]

Term Apollo LEM was later changed to LM to avoid confusion with LEM(on)...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Lunar_Module [nofollow]

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« Reply #73 on: 14/11/2013 15:37:16 »
Some photographic techniques can make reality can look like a miniature (models), e.g.  http://vimeo.com/9679622 [nofollow] 

That is really neat, I like that.

Have you seen this video....

[nofollow]
Apollo 11's Strange Docking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDfQqwh4-4s [nofollow]

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« Reply #74 on: 14/11/2013 15:51:59 »
One would think a 2.2 billion dollar budget could purchase a safer heat resistant silicon or high temperature epoxy to hold critical life sustaining insulation panels instead of scotch tape.

Where is your source that "scotch tape" was the only adhesive used in the construction of the craft ?.

... potential hit by small space meteorites

The LM was in-space & on-moon for about a week in total , the odds of it being hit by a meteorite would be about the same that your car on earth would be hit by one during the same period, i.e. astronomically unlikely.  The high density of craters on the moon may give you a false impression that meteor impacts are much more frequent there than on Earth , but unlike on Earth, lunar craters are not erased by weathering and plate-tectonics , they just accumulate.
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« Reply #75 on: 14/11/2013 16:06:25 »
Have you seen this video....


Apollo 11's Strange Docking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDfQqwh4-4s

Re: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDfQqwh4-4s  [1:00 to 1:20 ]

You do realize that is a highly speeded up footage, [time-lapse photography ] ,
in reality (in real-time) what appear to be sudden rapid jerky movements on that video would have been much slower.
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« Reply #76 on: 14/11/2013 16:10:51 »
One would think a 2.2 billion dollar budget could purchase a safer heat resistant silicon or high temperature epoxy to hold critical life sustaining insulation panels instead of scotch tape.

Where is your source that "scotch tape" was the only adhesive used in the construction of the craft ?.

Don't misquote me. I never used the word "only".

However the way the tape is oddly and haphazardly applied suggests it is being used to assist in a fix of some type of insulation panel failure.

The real reason is however is Apollo LEM 11 we see in the NASA photographs never left earth, hence their arrogant and brazen disregard for safety.


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« Reply #77 on: 14/11/2013 16:13:38 »
Have you seen this video....

[nofollow]
Apollo 11's Strange Docking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDfQqwh4-4s [nofollow]

You do realize that is a highly speeded up footage, in reality what appear to be sudden rapid jerky movements on that video would have been much slower.

No, its not "highly speeded up" one bit. You made that up.

Its stock NASA footage that anyone can find in Apollo 11 documentaries such as Moonwalk One released in 1970.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonwalk_One [nofollow]

Moonwalk One on Youtube

[nofollow]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC-cyoqKjpQ [nofollow]
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« Reply #78 on: 14/11/2013 16:29:06 »
One would think a 2.2 billion dollar budget could purchase a safer heat resistant silicon or high temperature epoxy to hold critical life sustaining insulation panels instead of scotch tape.

Where is your source that "scotch tape" was the only adhesive used in the construction of the craft ?.

Don't misquote me. I never used the word "only". 

You implied that other adhesives, e.g. “epoxy”, were not used.


The real reason is however is Apollo LEM 11 we see in the NASA photographs never left earth, hence their arrogant and brazen disregard for safety.

You're now accusing NASA of "arrogant and brazen disregard for safety", if your belief is true, that the LEM did not leave Earth, then there was no risk to safety : according to you it never left the ground so it wouldn't matter how poorly it was constructed.

[ I keep forgetting I'm talking to an insane person , I need to stop doing that ]

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« Reply #79 on: 14/11/2013 16:31:06 »
No, its not "highly speeded up" one bit. You made that up.

Its stock NASA footage that anyone can find in Apollo 11 documentaries such as Moonwalk One released in 1970.

It is quite reasonable that NASA speeded-up the footage: it would be tedious to watch in real-time, ( it would take hours).


[ on the same YouTube there is another NASA docking where you can see the reflection of an astronaut in a window whose movements are speeded-up ... http://youtu.be/eDfQqwh4-4s?t=3m42s to 4m10s ]
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« Reply #80 on: 14/11/2013 17:25:44 »
There is a minority of people who think it may have been done with a scale model.

Apollo 11 ascent and rendezvous video from 1969 is quite bizarre if one hasn't seen it lately...


Apollo 11's Strange Docking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDfQqwh4-4s

The docking footage is speeded-up, (time lapse photography), hence the jerky movements.
On the same YouTube there is another NASA docking where you can see the reflection of an astronaut in a window whose movements are highly speeded-up ... http://youtu.be/eDfQqwh4-4s?t=3m42s to 4m10s

I did mention the docking footage was speeded-up in another thread where KubricksOdyssey falsely accused me of dishonesty : they said I "made that up". [Isn't an apology in order ?].
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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #81 on: 14/11/2013 17:57:17 »
No, its not "highly speeded up" one bit. You made that up.

Its stock NASA footage that anyone can find in Apollo 11 documentaries such as Moonwalk One released in 1970.

It is quite reasonable that NASA speeded-up the footage: it would be tedious to watch in real-time, ( it would take hours).
Yup, much of the orbital maneuvering footage for popular consumption is time-lapse, otherwise it can be really boring. A few years ago, I went to the Science Museum in London, where they had a room set aside for a couple of weeks, showing film excerpts from all the manned space flights, and from cameras not normally shown. When I got there, they were showing some of the Gemini flights and space walks, in real-time; amazing, hypnotic stuff, and it all looked like slow-motion. I spent 45 mins in there watching one of the EVAs when they were trying out moving around using handrails - incredibly slow and difficult.

Having just come back from seeing 'Gravity' today, the contrast was striking - amazing though the zero-g scenes were, they mostly looked way too fast, especially the EVA scenes. But naturally they had to sacrifice realism in several areas in order to make an exciting film.

You should be able to find the real time taken for each Apollo 11 maneuver by checking the NASA logs and transcripts - for example, immediately after the trans-lunar injection burn, it took about 12.5 minutes after the separation of the command service module (CSM) from the launch adapter to turn it around and dock it with the lunar module (LEM). See EP-72 Log of Apollo 11 for the overview, and the Air-to-Ground Tech. Transcript for the detail (pages 18-19). You should be able to find all the relevant transcript timings for the other LEM maneuvers in lunar orbit (although I don't think they had the camera on for the Apollo 11 LEM undocking).

For this purpose, it doesn't matter whether you think it was all faked or not - it simply makes it clear that much of the film footage is time-lapsed relative to the event sequences.
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« Reply #82 on: 14/11/2013 18:07:39 »

It is quite reasonable that NASA speeded-up the footage: it would be tedious to watch in real-time, ( it would take hours).

Nope, Look how SLOWLY the Apollo 11 LEM rotation is for docking. A 4th grader can see its in REAL TIME.

Apollo 12 clip immediately after is in REAL TIME and wasnt speeded up "to save time" either.

It is was clearly made with some type of hollywood effect.The question then becomes why is NASA releasing fake footage attempting to pass it off as real?



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« Reply #83 on: 14/11/2013 18:13:53 »
Here is Apollo 11 LEM speeded up to save time.

Note how it was filmed in either front or rear screen projection....this special effect was also seen in Dr. Strangelove B-52 scenes...


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« Reply #84 on: 14/11/2013 18:21:29 »
No, its not "highly speeded up" one bit. You made that up.

Its stock NASA footage that anyone can find in Apollo 11 documentaries such as Moonwalk One released in 1970.

It is quite reasonable that NASA speeded-up the footage: it would be tedious to watch in real-time, ( it would take hours).
Yup, much of the orbital maneuvering footage for popular consumption is time-lapse, otherwise it can be really boring.

Watch the "swinging antenna arm" in Apollo 12 clip immediately after Apollo 11.

The "swinging antenna arm" wouldnt be moving in a slow fluid motion if the video speed was tampered with.

Both clips were presented as "real time" by NASA in 1970. One only sees a short clip, not a sped up clip.
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« Reply #85 on: 14/11/2013 18:25:24 »
You should be able to find the real time taken for each Apollo 11 maneuver by checking the NASA logs and transcripts ...

Quote from: nasa.gov
As the ascent stage reached apolune at 125 hours, 19 minutes, the reaction control system, or RCS, fired so as to nearly circularize the Eagle orbit at about 56 miles, some 13 miles below and slightly behind Columbia. Subsequent firings of the LM RCS changed the orbit to 57 by 72 miles. Docking with Columbia occurred on the CSM's 27th revolution at 128 hours, three minutes into the mission. Armstrong and Aldrin returned to the CSM with Collins.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/apollo/missions/apollo11.html

128-125= 3 hours , I'm not sure for how long of those 3 hours "Eagle" would have been visible to "Columbia" as it approached, ( from how many miles can you see something the size of a camper-van without atmosphere impeding visibility ? ).
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« Reply #86 on: 14/11/2013 18:30:23 »
RD you seem clearly disturbed by this fake Apollo 11 docking model.

If you find out this clip is in REAL TIME what will your next excuse and apologetic be?

That strong resistance from Moons upper atnosphere aided by lunar cross winds caused the jerky movements? lol

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« Reply #87 on: 14/11/2013 18:44:45 »
Here is Apollo 11 LEM speeded up to save time.

Note how it was filmed in either front or rear screen projection...

#1. Make your mind up which projection method was used to fake the footage.

#2. Provide evidence to prove that was the case.

otherwise please don't bother us (or anyone else) with this drivel ever again.

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« Reply #88 on: 14/11/2013 19:00:40 »

#1. Make your mind up which projection method was used to fake the footage.


A special effects expert would be able to tell. It looks like it could be either in this case.


Here is the Apollo 17 rendezvous at same speed, nothing sped up.

Notice the moon in the background is passing by at the same speed as Apollo 11 moon....

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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #89 on: 14/11/2013 19:05:30 »
Watch the "swinging antenna arm" in Apollo 12 clip immediately after Apollo 11.

The "swinging antenna arm" wouldnt be moving in a slow fluid motion if the video speed was tampered with.

Both clips were presented as "real time" by NASA in 1970. One only sees a short clip, not a sped up clip.
To me it looks like the Apollo 12 clip is real time - all the movement and moon going past in the background looks slower than the Apollo 11 clip - but it's hard to say, the camera angle looks slightly different. I don't see what the problem is with the movement - the thrusters were powerful and precise and the LEM was a very low-mass vehicle. The high-gain antenna in the Apollo 12 clip wasn't 'dangling' as the video suggested, it had a springy gimballed mounting, and looked like it was being stowed prior to docking.

But hey, if you want to believe it was all some global conspiracy, knock yourself out (why didn't the Russians spoil the party?)

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« Reply #90 on: 14/11/2013 19:14:08 »
To me it looks like the Apollo 12 clip is real time - all the movement and moon going past in the background looks slower than the Apollo 11 clip - but it's hard to say.

If any time lapse is present, It would be very easy to prove with a simple experiment.

Locate all 6 of the Apollo mission LEM rendezvous clips on Youtube, tile the windows and play them simultaneously in comparison.
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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #91 on: 14/11/2013 19:49:49 »
If any time lapse is present, It would be very easy to prove with a simple experiment.

Locate all 6 of the Apollo mission LEM rendezvous clips on Youtube, tile the windows and play them simultaneously in comparison.
Why would I? - whether there's lime-lapse or not in those clips, I don't see the problem.

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« Reply #92 on: 14/11/2013 20:04:43 »
If any time lapse is present, It would be very easy to prove with a simple experiment.

Locate all 6 of the Apollo mission LEM rendezvous clips on Youtube, tile the windows and play them simultaneously in comparison.
Why would I? - whether there's lime-lapse or not in those clips, I don't see the problem.

RD sees a problem, I'm waiting to hear his explanation why a real time clip is jerky and looks like a time lapse clip.

RD's claim of edited time-lapse would also show a moon spinning as fast as a basketball.



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« Reply #93 on: 14/11/2013 20:06:40 »
There is a minority of people who think it may have been done with a scale model.

Apollo 11 ascent and rendezvous video from 1969 is quite bizarre if one hasn't seen it lately...


Apollo 11's Strange Docking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDfQqwh4-4s


Here's a link to stock footage of docking on Apollo 12 ...

Apollo 12 / NASA / Lunar Module / 1969 ... http://footage.framepool.com/en/play/789153847

again the reflection of the astronaut in the window shows the docking footage has been speeded-up , (by NASA).

Still think the Apollo 11 rendezvous YouTube video is in real-time ?
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« Reply #94 on: 14/11/2013 21:16:42 »
There is a minority of people who think it may have been done with a scale model.

Apollo 11 ascent and rendezvous video from 1969 is quite bizarre if one hasn't seen it lately...

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Apollo 11's Strange Docking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDfQqwh4-4s [nofollow]


Here's a link to stock footage of docking on Apollo 12 ...

Apollo 12 / NASA / Lunar Module / 1969 ... http://footage.framepool.com/en/play/789153847 [nofollow]

again [nofollow] the reflection of the astronaut in the window shows the docking footage has been speeded-up , (by NASA).

Still think the Apollo 11 rendezvous YouTube video [nofollow] is in real-time ?

Thats the same Apollo 12 clip I posted. Has the same swinging antenna arm. I played both the Youtube version and Framepool side by side and they are identical speeds.

Framepool also has the Apollo 11 strange docking footage and playing them side by side, yes it is at different speeds, a bit slower but not by a whole lot, I wouldnt consider anything "highly speeded" up.

One can still see all the same goofy jerky unnatural fake movements at any speed it is played.

Shutterstock has the same copy as Youtube http://footage.shutterstock.com/clip-3936131-stock-footage--s-apollo-eagle-spacecraft-docks-with-columbia.html?src=search/bxY8at6yb2YWN1_oej-vAQ:1:1 [nofollow]

Play it at 5% or 500% Apollo 11 docking footage is FAKE

If you want to see what a REAL Apollo docking looks like, here is Apollo-Soyuz 1975....

http://footage.shutterstock.com/clip-3903479-stock-footage--s-the-apollo-soyuz-mission-of-docking-maneuver.html [nofollow]

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« Reply #95 on: 14/11/2013 22:08:40 »
Framepool also has the Apollo 11 strange docking footage and playing them side by side, yes it is at different speeds …

A glimmer of sanity ? :  you now acknowledge the Apollo docking footage is speeded-up, and you’re now going to apologise to me for falsely accusing me of mendacity when I told you the footage was time-lapse ?.

One can still see all the same goofy jerky unnatural fake movements at any speed it is played.

Oh dear the madness returns [:(] . If slowed-down any motion, no matter how jerky, becomes smooth and fluid , e.g. a punch to the head … http://youtu.be/ylqJDToHMh8?t=49s 

So to say One can still see all the same goofy jerky unnatural fake movements at any speed it is played is nonsense : if it was slowed down to the correct speed the jerkiness would disappear.
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« Reply #97 on: 15/11/2013 02:37:41 »
you now acknowledge the Apollo docking footage is speeded-up, and you’re now going to apologise to me?


We'll call that one a draw......since you still cannot see the obvious fakery and your tendency toward ad-hominen.

Let me say I do appreciate the feedback  from everyone so far on items I am presenting.

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« Reply #98 on: 15/11/2013 02:50:45 »
More media.....


Here is one of the biggest bungles of the Apollo 11 photos.

Its just not possible for light from the Sun to create a "hotspot" on Aldrins boot where he is. There is only one explanation for this "hotspot" and that is from a studio light, there were no flash bulbs or back lights on the moon.

This is a MAJOR oops by NASA and if they hadn't missed it, they would have airbrushed this studio light hotspot out.....


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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #99 on: 15/11/2013 13:02:18 »
The surface of the moon is not matt-black : it reflects light from the sun.
The reflection of sunlight from the surface of the moon is the second source of light illuminating the shadow side of the lunar lander. [ The very reflective white spacesuit of the photographer may contribute to the "fill" on this occasion].
You only have to look at the lower surfaces of the suit and backpack to see this backscatter illumination. As you say, this stuff has been dealt with elsewhere; I suspect trolling.