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quote:Originally posted by HadrianIt whole ethos of selling a fat rich diet to an uneducated (nutrition wise) population for small money
quote: and expecting our respective health systems funded by hard pressed tax payers to pay the real price for the outcome seams madness.
quote:My point about low wages was fuelled by the sky story on The Government is investigating claims that fruit pickers at a UK farm are being paid as little as £1 per hour.http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1227092,00.html
quote:Again, another fallacy.Even if one took the worst case scenario and accepted without question that the food we eat is as harmful as some would claim, it would not cost the health service a penny more, and in fact may even save the health service money.It is a different matter if you are talking about tax revenue, since foreshortening a persons life so that they die before reaching retirement age may mean that the exchequer may not obtain as much tax revenue from them as it may if they died when they reached retirement age. Once someone reaches retirement age (this will ofcourse change as retirement age changes), then the person can only become a tax liability, and the sooner they die the better placed the exchequer is financially.With regard to health services, the cost to the health service is largely increased as a person gets older, so having people die young actually reduces the cost to the health service (excepting if there is a commensurate increase in birth rate). The argument that it costs the health service money when someone becomes seriously, and ultimately terminally, ill is true; but we will all become terminally ill some time or another, so increasing or reducing life expectancy in no way influences the inevitability of death.I accept that the above only addresses the financial aspects of early death, and not the social aspects; but then the comments are only to be taken with regard to your comment that the price of these high fat diets will be taken up by the health services – this comment is untrue.
quote:Originally posted by HadrianAre you saying the operations and treatments for illnesses and organ failures that are if not caused by, then at least are made worse by, a bad diet of fatty foods, don’t cost us money that could be used for other things. If so can't you say the same thing about smoking and drop the extra tax on it.
quote:Originally posted by HadrianSo these Kids who are getting liver failure at 15 and 16 due to there liver being saturated with fat are going to get liver disease anyway sometime in the future?
quote:Originally posted by another_someonequote:Originally posted by HadrianSo these Kids who are getting liver failure at 15 and 16 due to there liver being saturated with fat are going to get liver disease anyway sometime in the future?I don't actually see large numbers of kids dying of liver failure – that I think is melodramatic. In most cases, the issue is more what the risks to these people are as the reach their 50's, not what the risks in their adolescent years are.But, even aside from that, I am not saying that these kids would necessarily die of liver disease; I am saying they would die of something (maybe something else), because we all die of something. What you have yet to demonstrate is that the death, and the illnesses they would otherwise have, would cost any less than the liver disease you believe they will have.
quote:Originally posted by Hadrian“Obese adolescents followed for 30 years have more disease anddie sooner than adolescents of normal weight”