0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
We would be at least 1000 years further if there would be no great losses of scientific knowledge mostly due to wars, cold wars, political reasons, supressions etc.(Did you know for instance that the SSD/STASI had an entire division for destroying scientific knowledge together with the scientists itself?)We loose right now a lot of scientific knowledge – and nobody cares. Now we have the internet and could storage the knowledge from every human on this earth, but nobody is doing this. (Homepages disappear with the owner.)
OK, first cite some evidence for the 1000 year assertion.Next, perhaps you should look at the effects of war on scientific discovery.The cold war gave us space technology.WWII gave us radar miniaturised electronics, microwaves and a lot of other things too.It's true that the Stasi destroyed scientific.You might want to consider how well that worked out for them.
You could say 1000 years of progress was lost, but not just to "forgetting", but rather to a lack of a forward push.We now have the capability to "remember" everything that anybody ever writes, from first grade to the end of their life. But, I'm not entirely certain that I would like everything that I've written to be remembered. Certainly many things just get forgotten, in part because nobody thinks to look for them.
It's not my field but to me your inventions are impressive and seem quite original. I am sorry to hear how you were either ignored or exploited by a corrupt and inefficient regime. To go back to your question, I think it is true that many ideas and inventions have been lost in the past (the destruction of the library at Alexandria must be a key event here) but I think the world is getting better at (at least) preserving ideas. I think the problem now is often how to recognise the good ideas from the vast numbers of bad ones (or simply ones that are not as good). ...
The point I was making there was that, snip.... the companies know that the big winners in ant patent war is usually just the lawyers. Many "learned" papers are similarly worthless You are right to imply that it is sometimes difficult to tell a good idea from a bad one but I have to say that if you have a situation where only 1 in 1000 is good (say) then I, for one, would like to see a good deal of pre-filtering. Life is too short.
There are things like archive.org and the big libraries are doing it to some extent - I think the British Library just got some responsibilities in that direction.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 23/04/2013 19:21:38OK, first cite some evidence for the 1000 year assertion.Next, perhaps you should look at the effects of war on scientific discovery.The cold war gave us space technology.WWII gave us radar miniaturised electronics, microwaves and a lot of other things too.It's true that the Stasi destroyed scientific.You might want to consider how well that worked out for them.It is certainly my fault if everybody thinks in a direction diametral to that what I meant. I forgot to say…except everything to kill each other. I know that wars gave as many things, what we can use in peace times. Others get lost. Getting lost means per definition we have no record of it. This are the things I mean, but you want that I show you in black and weiß.It starts already here writing in English. I had the perfect translation program for Windows 3.5 – not any more, because it wont run in the new windows. It was developed by a physicist in Switzerland and called “witchpen”. Now there is no program coming even close. It depended all on one man! Most people don’t’ even know that there was even a program you could write some words in German, some words in English – just how you know it and the program made it right during writing! And it learned new words automatically without doing anything…You only write what you just know. Now I have to stop at every word O don’t know and look it up…weiß - .There are 100 000 other cases of loss – just now under our eyes, which we can’t see.Hundred years later it will be reinvented like the concrete, which the old Romans developed. Then there was no concrete or beton any more on earth. It had to be reinvented. There is no record of the knowledge. We only know it in this case, because the coliseum is still standing in Rom and everybody can touch it. How many other things are lost which are not that visible? Nobody know it. We can only say it is more than everybody can imagine. Only the few things we do know shed a dim light on mankind’s saving of knowledge. The old Greek had a good understanding of the elements, the earth and the solar system, but it was hard to put it all in stone.The church had the monopoly for saving knowledge and their distribution. To make it comfortable for everybody knowledge was simplified - as today in Wikipedia - to a point that the earth was again a disc in the middle of everything. It took over 1000 years that science could strive again. We lost over 1000 years on science.And today it is worse. The Stasi destroyed everything not war important. Of course the communists must go down with this method, (I helped) but what about the scientific findings of all the scientists behind the wall? I know personnel some deserving a Nobel price, but ending up in a madhouse etc. I by myself posted desperately my work from1966, because it was never published and will soon disappear together with me. Many things, which will be considered very useful in 50 or 100 years, are ignored – on the end destroyed today.Since nobody is able to decide what is worth to be saved and what not, we have to save safe every scientific finding somewhere and somehow. That’s what I am talking about, all the things which get never published. (How long will this forum be saved?)
Well, perhaps you would like to tell us how many people were killed by portable radios, microwave ovens, Satellite TVs etc.Or were you talking bollocks when you said "I forgot to say…except everything to kill each other."?
if you really had a translation program that worked perfectly in some early version of windows, but not the later versions, that's a very simple problem to solve. Don't upgrade. Frankly, I don't think you had a good translator.
"The church had the monopoly for saving knowledge and their distribution. "What a pity that the church chose to suppress knowledge (ask Galileo)
Anyway, there are lots of institutions whose job is to ensure that information is not forgotten. they get called schools and universities and libraries (not to mention the web) so your original question is deeply flawed.
If you know that the Greeks knew stuff before the Christian church got started then someone must have kept that knowledge (in some way) so it is not true that "The church had the monopoly for saving knowledge and their distribution. "Did you not realise that?Also, war-time developments gave us lots of things like microwaves and computers which are not designed to kill people.When you say "Now show me please such a picture in any uni, library etc except here."do you mean a copy of the same picture or do you mean early spark chamber pictures in general?In any event, the point is moot.Those pictures still exist.
"It is the only suitable pump which is able to pump fluid and gas simultaneously."But gases are fluids, so that makes no sense.
There are pumps that can deal with mixtures of solids, liquids and gases.
Incidentally, fridges pump gases so the point would be moot anyway. The high pressure gas is subsequently condensed to a liquid.
"Do you think there is nothing out there, if you don’t see it in your newspaper?"I see, in my newspaper (and elsewhere) that there are institutions whose role is to ensure that knowledge is not lost.
Yes, there are some things that I regret having lost in life like the original soft-copy of my thesis. But, many things have been passed up due to just becoming obsolete. There are, of course DOS windows in all versions of Windows, but not with perfect compatibility.But, I'd say at this point, it is time to just try something new. There are many new translators including a few generally good online ones.http://babblefish.com/language/free-language-translation/free-language-translators/http://translate.google.com/And, of course, there are also many commercial packages.
"Why are you against it to save witchpen?"I'm not. I just don't believe it exists.
But, lets be clear.All materials are compressible.
If there was a good translation program I'd want it not just "saved" but widely used.However, if there was such a program, how well would it compete with Bing's or Google's translator?Would it now be redundant?
And, if it could do what you say, how come it wasn't publicised?
Do you see why I have doubts that this thing could do what you say?
Newspapers keep archives.
If civilization collapses tomorrow the big problem will more likely be that none of us really knows how to feed, clothe or shelter ourselves anymore, and will be almost as helpless as children.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 29/04/2013 20:59:43Newspapers keep archives.If it is not on the market it is lost!
Quote from: Wolfhart Willimczik on 30/04/2013 00:29:34Quote from: Bored chemist on 29/04/2013 20:59:43Newspapers keep archives.If it is not on the market it is lost!If that is true then the answer to the question "Why is there no institution on earth preventing loss of scientific knowledge? " is obvious- the market doesn't care about everything- only profitable things.There are many such institutions. Newspaper articles and archives, this website and others like it; the patent offices; schools, universities and even TV quiz shows.
Oh come on!What I wrote was "There are many such institutions. Newspaper articles and archives, this website and others like it; the patent offices; schools, universities and even TV quiz shows."You can do better than that.
Did you patent it?