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quote:Originally posted by ukmickyIts called faith. people with faith dont need evidence, they just believe . And their is no point in trying to point out to them that this or that is not possible.Michael
quote:Originally posted by MadeInAfricamy point is simply that through faith people believe in things in an irrational manner, with no proper reason at all. imagine someone comes to you and say: it is going to rain later today. you ask him/her why they think so. he says he saw it in a dream. another person comes with the same view that it is going to rain later. he tells you that he saw it on TV. obviously the second person is worth believing than the first one because of his/her reasoning, though the first person might also be correct. apply the same logic to my point above.
quote:these stories are preached time and again in church andmillions of people believe them, most with no reason at all.
quote:aMost people who are taught physics in school believe what they are taught with no reason at all. There are a small number of real scientists who will question and test the laws of physics; but most ordinary members of the public merely believe what they are taught by their teachers, and for all that, it may as well be a religion.
quote:Originally posted by MadeInAfricaanother someone: think of it this way: someone comes to you and say "i believe that Italy is going to win the world cup",which they did. you ask him/her why? the answer you get is that "my ancestors told me so" or "i saw it in a dream" or "i just feel it".another person comes with the belief that " France is going to win". the reason this time around is that "france has got a stronger team" or "the french are on top of their form" or "4 of Italy's top players are injured". my point is that it is worth believing or talking to the person who goes with France because unlike the other one, he/she provided reasons that are worth taking into consideration. there is more reason to believe him than the one for Italy. this has nothing to do with the actual outcome of the game, but a lot to do with whether the reasons provide adequate grounds for the conclusion, which is the opinion or belief the person holds.I LIVE IN A WORLD OF REASON!!!
quote:Originally posted by MadeInAfricamy point is that it is not enough for moses to simply say that he believes so based solely on his dream. what if the frank knew nothing about his past predictions? what he needs to do is to put forth things like "the team has played well in the past three games" or something along those lines. that's much better reasoning. at the point when the argument is being presented, the actual outcome need not be thought of at all coz no one knows for sure what its going to be.what moses needs to do is to analyse the three games won by Italy and come up with proper reasons as to how Italy won. my point is that it might not have anything to do with his dreams at all.
quote:Originally posted by MadeInAfricayou are so wrong. i would rely heavily on the law of gravity. but to someone who has never heard of the law of gravity, reliance on past experience would definitely be the case. you are so wrong on this one!
quote:Originally posted by MadeInAfricayou sound very much like one of those uninformed people who think that there are no human beings in Africa. anyway.....
quote:before i knew about the laws of gravity, i knew that heavy stuff fall to the ground and things like balloons floated. why? read the quote on your last post, the answer is there.well, that's 'partly' how bright my early days were!!!
do you really believe that Jesus walked on water?does itmake any logical sense? i think not.there's a scientificstudy that showed that temperatures dropped low such thatwater could have iced.this happened during the times whenJesus lived.i will find you the article on the outcome ofthat research.this makes sense to me,unlike what the biblesays.here is another one:do you believe that it was a miraclethat the Israelites crossed the Red sea? well,think again.According to a 'Bulletin Of The American MeteorologicalSociety' account, computer calculations indicate thatbecause of the peculiar geography of the northern end ofthe Red Sea, a moderate wind blowing constantly for about10 hours could have caused the sea to recede about a mileand the water level to drop 10 ft., leaving dry land for aperiod of time before crashing back when the winds dieddown."- Mike Fillon, "Science Solves the Ancient Myteries of theBible", Popular Mechanics, Dec. 1996this too makes sense to me,but the bible says that it was amiracle.these stories are preached time and again in church andmillions of people believe them, most with no reason at all.I LIVE IN A WORLD OF REASON!!!