so 'if' there was a point 0 (time - 0)...we're back to the chicken vs egg/matter vs energy or visa versa.

matter needed energy to become matter, and energy needed matter to manifest itself also?

There is/was an anomalous type of energy we have not discovered that obviously fired-up the boiler...using the point 0 theory.

but as I said before this is way over my head...but sooooooooo interesting.

Actually, all we need is information. It doesn't matter what form(s) it takes, so long as all the necessary quantities instantiate. That's my interpretation of Wheeler's "it from bit",

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_from_bit#Wheeler.27s_.22it_from_bit.22. In fact, if somehow reality possesses some background state of infinite information content, that would be sufficient for every possible observation... instantiation of every event for a multiverse. Just a speculation.

Given that causality seems to break at time = zero, perhaps there was a non-causal condition prior to the Big Bang (if words like "prior" have any meaning pre-time). Non-causality could contain boundless information, in countless interpretations.

*It from bit* combined with the assumption that there is a background of infinite information makes the observation of every possibility, for every possible set of physical laws, inevitable. But, I'm pretty confident that all observable systems would have to be purely causal. Q.M. requires that all observations must be causally consistent (in terms of physical symmetries).

Gödel’s Theorems show that purely causal, non-trivial systems (e.g. odd integers would be trivial) cannot be fully defined by a finite set of rules. There's always at least one possible state that cannot be predicted or fully described by the existing set of rules. However, a new rule, consistent with pre-existing rules, accounts for the new state. But, this would yield a complete and consistent system, and so Gödel showed it's an infinite progression.

Personally, I think the physical universe must qualify as a non-trivial, causally-consistent system. And, symmetry breaks, when new gauge symmetries appear, could very well correspond to unpredictable/indescribable states and the corresponding new rules in a Gödelian system.

Anyway, it provides for a self-consistent explanation for why we'd have a complete compliment of multiverses without needing any rules to start with. Given perfect chaos, every form of observable order could be inevitable.

I was about at this point in pondering when the spigot algorithm, Bailey-Borwein-Plouffe (BBP),

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spigot_algorithm, was discovered. Using a fixed number of computations, any hexadecimal digit of

**pi** could be determined. Theoretical physicists argued that it couldn't work because the necessary information set (infinite information) would have to be encoded in a finite, and small, quantity of information.

After BBP was proven to be correct, the physicists shut up. But I don't think they should have. They were right, I think. Somehow, spigot algorithms, maybe, access infinite information. In a sense,

**pi** is fully defined at every point in space and time. If BBP were the only spigot algorithm I might accept that it worked because

**pi** is built into the geometry of our universe. But, they keep finding new ones. There might be infinitely many spigot algorithms.

Personally, I find this model persuasive. It's not particularly aesthetically appealing but it is, at least, simple and explains observations.

Somebody earlier in this thread, I believe, asked if there might be some way to tell if we're existing in some Matrix-like reality. I think Wheeler's "it from bit" answers that. All you need is enough information "instantiating" (my word for "happen") and every observation from every observer under every possible condition should instantiate.

I suspect Einstein wouldn't like this because it suggests there's no real place for free will. Maybe.