What are the consequences of being sprayed with barium and aluminium?

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Can someone tell us the physical consequences of being sprayed upon with the above subject matter?
and any possible antidote or protection?
« Last Edit: 01/07/2016 07:32:59 by chris »

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Re: barium and aluminum
« Reply #1 on: 26/10/2013 01:12:32 »
Aluminium is a quite reactive metal, with a melting point of 660 C, 1220 F.
Barium is a very reactive metal, with a melting point of 727 C, 1341 F.

If you were sprayed with liquid aluminium or barium, you would be burnt to a crisp, and there is no antidote.

In fact, both metals are so reactive that they quickly oxidise in air, to form a much safer and more stable oxide.

So most likely, you would be exposed to a chemical compound containing these elements.
  • Aluminium (with its aluminium oxide coating) is used in cookware and soft drink cans.
  • Barium Sulphate is very safe, and is fed to people when taking X-Rays of the digestive system (a Barium meal). On the other hand, Barium Carbonate is used as a rat poison.

So if you can find out what compound it was, we could provide some more information.
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Re: barium and aluminum
« Reply #2 on: 26/10/2013 17:02:25 »
If there is any chance of this turning into some discussion about "chemtrails", forget it.
They myth just isn't possible- for a start the Ba and Al oxides would coat the turbine blades and trash the engines.
It isn't even remotely possible so there's no need to discuss the other issues like- why nobody has ever actually analysed jet fuel and found Ba or Al or how they managed to get the entire world to play along.
Or even, why don't air crashes burn with a green flame?

It gets even stupider when you look at the numbers.
According to this
http://www.indexmundi.com/energy.aspx?product=jet-fuel&graph=consumption world

jet fuel use is about 5 million barrels a day.
Imagine that they could get 10% (w/v) barium into that (which is absurdly optimistic)
that's about 70 million kilos of barium per day (never mind that they don't mine that much, I said it was absurdly high).
Most of that is spread sufficiently high up in the atmosphere that it won't fall straight down- it will spread out over the whole of the earth's surface.
That's 500,000,000 Km^2
So each square kilometre gets 0.14 Kg
So each square metre gets 140 micrograms of barium each day.
On average the earth;s crust contains about 400 ppm Ba by weight. That's 400 mg in each kilo.
So a square metre of a layer 1 cm thick would contain about 10 litres of soil something like 12Kg
So, the top 1 cm of soil will contain something like 4800 mg of barium (it will vary a lot from place to place- but that's a fair guess at the average).
So if that gains 140 micrograms per day from the impossibly high estimate from the mythical chemtrails, over a year it will pick up 50mg of barium
But it already contains about a hundred times that much.
It wouldn;'t make any difference
Since aluminium is much commoner in the soil the same sort of calculation for aluminium is even more absurd.

Why would anyone bother?
Since world barium production from mining is only 6 million tons per year or about 16000 tons  or 16 million kilos per day they can't be adding 70 million to jet fuel

How come this idea ever gained any sort of credibility?



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Re: barium and aluminum
« Reply #3 on: 31/10/2013 12:25:13 »
Aluminium is a quite reactive metal, with a melting point of 660 C, 1220 F.
Barium is a very reactive metal, with a melting point of 727 C, 1341 F.

If you were sprayed with liquid aluminium or barium, you would be burnt to a crisp, and there is no antidote.
If you were sprayed with a liquid metal at those temperatures, it woudn't make much difference if it were aluminum or barium or brass or else  [:)]

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Re: barium and aluminum
« Reply #4 on: 31/10/2013 15:11:28 »
Now that's not a question one hears every day. I don't know about protection or antidote, but a bit of blue touch paper could be fun :)
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Re: barium and aluminum
« Reply #5 on: 30/06/2016 01:37:40 »
They myth just isn't possible- for a start the Ba and Al oxides would coat the turbine blades and trash the engines.
It isn't even remotely possible so there's no need to discuss the other issues like- why nobody has ever actually analysed jet fuel and found Ba or Al or how they managed to get the entire world to play along.
Or even, why don't air crashes burn with a green flame?

Dear Bored chemist, a nozzle is a specific type of device for aircrafts to deliver chemicals in a downward direction:

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Aerial delivery system
US 7413145 B2
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A method and apparatus for aerial fire suppression utilizing a potable fire retardant chemical dispensing system, readily adaptable, without extensive aircraft modification, to various makes of aircraft, for dispensing current types of forest and range fire fighting chemicals. The aerial delivery system is self contained and reusable. It enables cargo/utility aircraft to carry and dump a load, under control. The aerial delivery system is capable of attachment at the wing box, pressurized delivery from the nozzles, and nozzles directed straight downward.

http://www.google.ca/patents/US7413145

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jet fuel use is about 5 million barrels a day.
Imagine that they could get 10% (w/v) barium into that (which is absurdly optimistic)

Barium and aluminium fumes are simply by-products of the reaction of dumping [coal fly ash] particles in the atmosphere, reacting with oxygen to form oxides. Theses chemicals are not blindly mixed with the jet fuel... It's foolish and absurd to think the delivery mecanism would involve burning them. Why don't you educate yourself on how coal fly ash reuse has emerged into clandestine geoengineering activity? Why don't you get informations on the chemical composition of coal fly ash ?

I hope you learn that clandestine geoengineering activity is designed as a military technology, and that the reuse of coal fly ash is an evidence of the weaponization of this poorly understood chemical agent.

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Re: barium and aluminum
« Reply #6 on: 30/06/2016 22:25:12 »


Dear Bored chemist, a nozzle is a specific type of device for aircrafts to deliver chemicals in a downward direction:

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Aerial delivery system
US 7413145 B2
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A method and apparatus for aerial fire suppression utilizing a potable fire retardant chemical dispensing system, readily adaptable, without extensive aircraft modification, to various makes of aircraft, for dispensing current types of forest and range fire fighting chemicals. The aerial delivery system is self contained and reusable. It enables cargo/utility aircraft to carry and dump a load, under control. The aerial delivery system is capable of attachment at the wing box, pressurized delivery from the nozzles, and nozzles directed straight downward.

http://www.google.ca/patents/US7413145


 Why don't you get informations on the chemical composition of coal fly ash ?

I hope you learn that clandestine geoengineering activity is designed as a military technology, and that the reuse of coal fly ash is an evidence of the weaponization of this poorly understood chemical agent.

I see you have brought up an old dead post to show that you still don't understand the nature of evidence.

The patent shoes that it's possible to spray things from planes. We know that.
However the chemtrails lie was that the stuff was mixed into the fuel. And I was pointing out that it is nonsense.

I don't need information of the composition of fly ash- though you might want to explain why it's got so much barium (which is relatively rare) in it   and yet so little silica which is very common.
The reasons I don't need to look up data are firstly that I know it- at least well enough to show that your idea is dross,and also
There is no evidence of fly ash being used in any sort of high altitude spraying operation except- possibly- on a very small experimental scale.

Also, it's not actually very toxic so it's not much of a weapon.
And there's the old problem - the one you persist in ignoring.
If "they" put chemicals in the air, what do "they" breathe?
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Re: barium and aluminum
« Reply #7 on: 30/06/2016 23:49:54 »
I see you have brought up an old dead post to show that you still don't understand the nature of evidence.

You don't need evidences to ponder on the nature of chemtrails. The stuff they are spraying is by itself an evidence that this is NOT water vapor. An empirical evidence can be acquired by simply observing the phenomenon and formulating an hypothesis.

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The patent shoes that it's possible to spray things from planes. We know that.
However the chemtrails lie was that the stuff was mixed into the fuel. And I was pointing out that it is nonsense.

Good to know you're making progresses in your understanding of chemtrails. However the mecanism to deliver chemicals via a nozzle attached to an aircraft is a patented technology from Evergreen International Aviation, a CIA front company who ceased its operations in 2013.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evergreen_International_Aviation

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I don't need information of the composition of fly ash- though you might want to explain why it's got so much barium (which is relatively rare) in it   and yet so little silica which is very common.
The reasons I don't need to look up data are firstly that I know it- at least well enough to show that your idea is dross,and also
There is no evidence of fly ash being used in any sort of high altitude spraying operation except- possibly- on a very small experimental scale.

The research of Dr. Marvin Herndon provides substantial evidences that coal fly ash is the prime suspect in the chemical agent being sprayed on a global scale. However you don't seem to recognize his work as legit. Why? What is your definition of scientific progress if you refuse to examine the evidences put forward by a trained scientist?

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Also, it's not actually very toxic so it's not much of a weapon.
And there's the old problem - the one you persist in ignoring.
If "they" put chemicals in the air, what do "they" breathe?

We are breathing and drinking potentially neurotoxic aluminium sulfate, thanks to Philip Lader.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2946821/
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Re: barium and aluminum
« Reply #8 on: 01/07/2016 06:49:04 »
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You don't need evidences to ponder on the nature of chemtrails. The stuff they are spraying is by itself an evidence that this is NOT water vapor.
OK, so what stuff are they spraying?

My guess is: Kerosene + Oxygen = Carbon Dioxide (gas) + Water (vapour)
                   CnH2n+2 +  (2n+1) O2 =     nCO2        +       (n+1) H2O

Perhaps you are assuming that it must not be water vapour, so it must be something else; then clearly it is not water vapour! If so, this is a logical fallacy called a "circular argument".

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Re: barium and aluminum
« Reply #9 on: 01/07/2016 10:22:30 »
OK, so what stuff are they spraying?

My guess is: Kerosene + Oxygen = Carbon Dioxide (gas) + Water (vapour)
                   CnH2n+2 +  (2n+1) O2 =     nCO2        +       (n+1) H2O

I assume you guess that this patented aerial delivery system uses jet fuel, but as I explained to Bored chemist there must be some kind of nozzle attached to a pressurized tank in the cargo of the aircraft. And yes, practically all aircrafts emits some water vapor, I'm sorry for the confusion.
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Barium dust will make you heavy. Aluminium dust will make you reflective. Any molten metal (apart from mercury) will burn and possibly kill you.
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I believe there is a conspiracy to produce conspiracy theories. It is insidious, addictive and should be prohibited by law.

What do you think?...
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I believe there is a conspiracy to produce conspiracy theories. It is insidious, addictive and should be prohibited by law.

What do you think?...

Disinformation should be prohibited by law, not the opposite. The "conspiracy theory" label is just a marketing strategy created by the CIA for anyone who dares to challenge the official narrative. It is the job of scientists to shed light on the truth, and to dispel the propaganda we sought to believe without using a scientific method.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-23/1967-he-cia-created-phrase-conspiracy-theorists-and-ways-attack-anyone-who-challenge

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I believe there is a conspiracy to produce conspiracy theories. It is insidious, addictive and should be prohibited by law.

What do you think?...

Disinformation should be prohibited by law, not the opposite. The "conspiracy theory" label is just a marketing strategy created by the CIA for anyone who dares to challenge the official narrative. It is the job of scientists to shed light on the truth, and to dispel the propaganda we sought to believe without using a scientific method.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-23/1967-he-cia-created-phrase-conspiracy-theorists-and-ways-attack-anyone-who-challenge

So you agree that we should outlaw the disinformation. Then start with the disinformation of the conspiracy theorists.

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So you agree that we should outlaw the disinformation. Then start with the disinformation of the conspiracy theorists.

Disinformation and propaganda are not created by random peoples who report chemtrails. It is websites like wikipedia that spread insidious conspiracy theories and disinformation.

Meanwhile, a recent scientific study reported that bumblebees contains high levels of aluminium. This is likely an epistemological evidence that clandestine geoengineering activity may cause their populations to decline.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4456414/ 
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However, we do not know how commonly bees are exposed to aluminium, and no studies have investigated whether such exposure may contribute to bee health problems. Here, we quantify the concentration of aluminium in bumblebee pupae taken from colonies that had been foraging naturally in the UK landscape. We also examine whether aluminium concentration correlates with measures of colony fitness.

I think it's necessary we connect the dots... The increased levels of aluminium in the biosphere has been validated scientifically (Exley 2015) and new evidences suggests that aluminium exposure is neurotoxic and could be involved in Alzheimer pathogenesis (Kawahara 2011). Furthermore, the causality of aluminium poisoning by clandestine geoengineering activity has been characterized scientifically (Herndon 2015).

What else is needed to connect the dots?
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I assume you guess that this patented aerial delivery system uses jet fuel, but as I explained to Bored chemist there must be some kind of nozzle attached to a pressurized tank in the cargo of the aircraft. And yes, practically all aircrafts emits some water vapor, I'm sorry for the confusion.

And as I explained you have no evidence that this "nozzle attached to a pressurized tank in the cargo of the aircraft" is anything but a figment of your imagination.
You can't say "because I made something up, the things that depend on it must be real".

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Meanwhile, a recent scientific study reported that bumblebees contains high levels of aluminium. This is likely an ...


It isn't "likely" at all- you just made that idea up.
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It isn't "likely" at all- you just made that idea up.


Yeah right. I suppose I imagined that bees are dying for nothing. And the increase of Alzheimer cases must be also the product of my imagination. The persistent trails made by aircrafts must be water vapor I suppose...  How can you make such nonsense claims without even examining the evidences from scientists with higher education than you?
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It isn't "likely" at all- you just made that idea up.


Yeah right. I suppose I imagined that bees are dying for nothing. And the increase of Alzheimer cases must be also the product of my imagination. The persistent trails made by aircrafts must be water vapor I suppose...  How can you make such nonsense claims without even examining the evidences from scientists with higher education than you?
Ignoring the fact that there is noway that either you or I know how well educated those scientists are and you don't know how well educated I am so you are not in a position to say "scientists with higher education than you". That's just another example of you not understanding  what evidence is.

No, you didn't imagine the dead bees- and nobody said you did- that's a straw man argument.
However you did imagine the idea that it is likely that the source of the aluminium in the bees is from nozzles spraying fly ash from aircraft.
And, having dreamed up that idea, you somehow came to the conclusion that it was "likely" when a better assessment would be "bloody near impossible".
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No, you didn't imagine the dead bees- and nobody said you did- that's a straw man argument.
However you did imagine the idea that it is likely that the source of the aluminium in the bees is from nozzles spraying fly ash from aircraft.
And, having dreamed up that idea, you somehow came to the conclusion that it was "likely" when a better assessment would be "bloody near impossible".

Your wishful thinking certainly won't help. In reality the possibility that clandestine geoengineering activity is harming public health is being censored by our governments. You can ignore this fact but I'm confident that
the truth cannot be suppressed forever.

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No, you didn't imagine the dead bees- and nobody said you did- that's a straw man argument.
However you did imagine the idea that it is likely that the source of the aluminium in the bees is from nozzles spraying fly ash from aircraft.
And, having dreamed up that idea, you somehow came to the conclusion that it was "likely" when a better assessment would be "bloody near impossible".

Your wishful thinking certainly won't help. In reality the possibility that clandestine geoengineering activity is harming public health is being censored by our governments. You can ignore this fact but I'm confident that
the truth cannot be suppressed forever.

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. -Winston Churchill

So, once again, no actual evidence.
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I suspect the increasing incidence of Alzheimer's is due to (1) increasing survival from other problems (Alzhiemer's being predominnatly a disease of old age) and (2) a greater propensity to diagnose senile dementia (which was the Big Problem of the 1960's) as Alzheimer's (whcih is much more fashionable).

Increasing Al in the biosphere is hardly surprising. It is a very reactive metal whose natural incidence is as very stable salts that take a lot of energy to refine into pure metal - very much a 20th century product following the introduction of deep drawing (beer cans and briefcases) and Tig welding (vehicles and aircraft). It returns to nature principally via the water-soluble and biologically reactive chloride and hydroxide, so it gets everywhere, but it is very debatable whether it does any actual harm en route, except possibly in the shells  of smartphones, which destroy social interaction.
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That must be why every time you see government officials on TV making statements they are wearing breathing aparatus.

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That must be why every time you see government officials on TV making statements they are wearing breathing aparatus.

LOL.

Chemtrails propaganda (and disinformation) is an epistemological evidence that the chemical composition of the nanoparticles have neurotoxic properties on humans: Aluminium toxicity is likely to participate to Alzheimer pathogenesis.
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CIA Director States (On Camera) His Support For Geoengineering & Spraying Particles Into The Atmosphere: http://www.collective-evolution.com/2016/07/12/cia-director-states-on-camera-his-support-for-geoengineering-spraying-particles-into-the-atmosphere/
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If geoengineering activity would be safe then there would be room for commercial exploitation of this technology. The evidences that clandestine geoengineering activity is potentially toxic to humans lie in the unilateral use of this technology by the U.S government.
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That must be why every time you see government officials on TV making statements they are wearing breathing aparatus.

LOL.

Chemtrails propaganda (and disinformation) is an epistemological evidence that the chemical composition of the nanoparticles have neurotoxic properties on humans: Aluminium toxicity is likely to participate to Alzheimer pathogenesis.
So, once again, no actual evidence of chemtrails- just stuff that might possibly be important if they existed.

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CIA Director States (On Camera) His Support For Geoengineering & Spraying Particles Into The Atmosphere: http://www.collective-evolution.com/2016/07/12/cia-director-states-on-camera-his-support-for-geoengineering-spraying-particles-into-the-atmosphere/
A man who isn't a scientist says that something would be a good idea- in his opinion.
Do you realise that isn't the same as saying that that "something" is happening?
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So, once again, no actual evidence of contrails- just stuff that might possibly be important if they existed.

A contrail is not a chemtrail.... Please educate yourself. A chemtrail persist in the atmosphere until it dissolve with air and water to form hydroscopic cloud condensation nuclei: "The concept of cloud condensation nuclei is used in cloud seeding, that tries to encourage rainfall by seeding the air with condensation nuclei. It has further been suggested that creating such nuclei could be used for marine cloud brightening, a climate engineering technique."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_condensation_nuclei
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A man who isn't a scientist says that something would be a good idea- in his opinion.
Do you realise that isn't the same as saying that that "something" is happening?

This guy is the CIA director. I think he might have a better idea of what is going on than you and me...
 
By the way, when a official from the U.S government states his support for geoengineering activity its likely
not the product from my imagination.

At some point you must connect the dots between reality and the potential effects of this activity as a scientist?
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So, once again, no actual evidence of contrails- just stuff that might possibly be important if they existed.

A contrail is not a chemtrail.... Please educate yourself. A chemtrail persist in the atmosphere until it dissolve with air and water to form hydroscopic cloud condensation nuclei: "The concept of cloud condensation nuclei is used in cloud seeding, that tries to encourage rainfall by seeding the air with condensation nuclei. It has further been suggested that creating such nuclei could be used for marine cloud brightening, a climate engineering technique."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_condensation_nuclei

You posted that after I noticed, and fixed, my typo. Did you not realise your post was an irrelevant waste of time?
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A man who isn't a scientist says that something would be a good idea- in his opinion.
Do you realise that isn't the same as saying that that "something" is happening?

This guy is the CIA director. I think he might have a better idea of what is going on than you and me...
 
By the way, when a official from the U.S government states his support for geoengineering activity its likely
not the product from my imagination.

At some point you must connect the dots between reality and the potential effects of this activity as a scientist?

And, once again.
Do you realise that someone saying "Iwould support this" is not the same as saying "this is happening"?
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And, once again.
Do you realise that someone saying "Iwould support this" is not the same as saying "this is happening"?

The CIA director is an authority... I trust what he says because clandestine geoengineering activity is a fact; Weather modification is controversial because its classified U.S military technology.
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You posted that after I noticed, and fixed, my typo. Did you not realise your post was an irrelevant waste of time?

I'm guessing you believe that the word "chemtrails" is a product of conspiracy theorists, but in reality the scientific hypothesis that coal fly ash is being used validates the toxic nature of theses aerosols. And ignoring the science behind chemtrails is a waste of time...
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And, once again.
Do you realise that someone saying "Iwould support this" is not the same as saying "this is happening"?

The CIA director is an authority... I trust what he says because clandestine geoengineering activity is a fact; Weather modification is controversial because its classified U.S military technology.
No he isn't.
No it isn't.
No it isn't.
He may well know stuff- so what. He doesn't decide what other people do in, for example, other countries. Nor is it clear that he would know what other countries (or even his own) are doing.
Nobody is doing any meaningful geoengineering. If you disagree please show some actual evidence (rather than someone saying it might be possible)
It's not classified- it's well documented. The three usual variations on the theme use silver iodide- which is effective, but expensive.
Cement powder which is a lot less effective, but much cheaper and was used by the Russians to stop it raining on their may-day parades and solid CO2 which comes between the first two in terms of cost an efficacy.

Why do you keep posting stuff that's irrelevant or wrong?
And, once again.
Do you realise that someone saying "I would support this" is not the same as saying "this is happening"?

Your other post implies that chemtrails are real(and made of fly ash).
You have not supplied a single shred of evidence to support that.
Do you understand that science relies on evidence- and you haven't got any?

You also still keep failing to address the other obvious point.
Why are "they" poisoning themselves?
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No he isn't.
No it isn't.
No it isn't.
He may well know stuff- so what. He doesn't decide what other people do in, for example, other countries. Nor is it clear that he would know what other countries (or even his own) are doing.
Nobody is doing any meaningful geoengineering. If you disagree please show some actual evidence (rather than someone saying it might be possible)
It's not classified- it's well documented. The three usual variations on the theme use silver iodide- which is effective, but expensive.
Cement powder which is a lot less effective, but much cheaper and was used by the Russians to stop it raining on their may-day parades and solid CO2 which comes between the first two in terms of cost an efficacy.

Why do you keep posting stuff that's irrelevant or wrong?
And, once again.
Do you realise that someone saying "I would support this" is not the same as saying "this is happening"?

Your other post implies that chemtrails are real(and made of fly ash).
You have not supplied a single shred of evidence to support that.
Do you understand that science relies on evidence- and you haven't got any?

You also still keep failing to address the other obvious point.
Why are "they" poisoning themselves?

I don't need "evidences" to validate what I'm witnessing on almost a daily basis. The persistent trails left by non-commercial airplanes and drones are proofs that geoengineering is real. You cannot deny this, unless you live on some distant planet or you're mentally insane.

What is needed is scientific research on the possible impacts of geoengineering on the biota, in order to convince the policy makers that geoengineering is a bad idea.

By the way, we are poisoning ourselves with chemtrails simply because our leaders have decided this would save humanity from climate change.
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I don't need "evidences" to validate what I'm witnessing on almost a daily basis. The persistent trails left by non-commercial airplanes and drones are proofs that geoengineering is real. You cannot deny this, unless you live on some distant planet or you're mentally insane.

What is needed is scientific research on the possible impacts of geoengineering on the biota, in order to convince the policy makers that geoengineering is a bad idea.

By the way, we are poisoning ourselves with chemtrails simply because our leaders have decided this would save humanity from climate change.
I need a new irony meter.
"I don't need "evidences" "
"What is needed is scientific research"


"The persistent trails left by non-commercial airplanes and drones are proofs that geoengineering is real. You cannot deny this, unless you live on some distant planet or you're mentally insane."
Actually I can deny it on the rather dull basis that I have evidence. All I have to do is point a camera out of the window. There are no "chem trails".
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You should come to Canada. Clandestine geoengineering activity occurs all the time here.
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And the first picture you posted looks like a chemtrail to me.

Are you mocking me??
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And the first picture you posted looks like a chemtrail to me.

Are you mocking me??
I admit I was kind of hoping you would say something like that but those were just pictures I took of the sky from my house just before I posted them.

Here are some similar "chem trails" depicted by John Constable nearly a hundred years before man achieved powered flight.
http://collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O82649/study-of-cirrus-clouds-oil-painting-constable-john-ra/

So, what you have done is prove that you are unable to recognise what's clearly a cloud.
that's what I was hoping for.
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I'm not stupid. A persistent trail is the signature of clandestine geoengineering activity. Theses trails condense into artificial clouds which looks like cirrus clouds.

http://www.chemtrails-france.com/cirrus_fibratus/cirrus_fibratus_en.htm 

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I'm not stupid. A persistent trail is the signature of clandestine geoengineering activity. Theses trails condense into artificial clouds which looks like cirrus clouds.

http://www.chemtrails-france.com/cirrus_fibratus/cirrus_fibratus_en.htm

"I'm not stupid."
I guess others will make up their own minds about that.


"A persistent trail is the signature of clandestine geoengineering activity."
The "ends" of the "trail" are both visible. The "trail" beyond those ends has vanished.
Since it went away, it's clearly not persistent.
You on the other hand persist on wittering on even when it's clear that you can't tell what a cloud looks like.
Why don't you stop embarrassing yourself?
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"I'm not stupid."
I guess others will make up their own minds about that.

You bet they will. What is a embarrassment is your complete ignorance of the science behind geoengineering.

Did you know the pilot can switch on and off the nozzle to control the release of the pressurized fluid? And since distance may vary, your pictures are not a reliable measure of the duration the spraying occured.
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"And since distance may vary, your pictures are not a reliable measure of the duration the spraying occured."
Meanwhile, back in reality, nobody mentioned duration.

"Did you know the pilot can switch on and off the nozzle to control the release of the pressurized fluid?"
Since there is no nozzle that makes no sense.
If you want to show some evidence that's fine.
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What evidences do you got to claim there's no nozzle used to spray the pressurized fluid?

Are you still confused in believing chemtrails is a lie?

Why do you think there's a whole page created on Wikipedia about this "conspiracy theory" ??

Is stratospheric aerosol (sulfate) injection another deception?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratospheric_sulfate_aerosols_(geoengineering)
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Here's another patent on the use of "volcanic ash" to disperse or inject fine particles into the stratosphere:

Atmospheric injection of reflective aerosol for mitigating global warming: http://www.google.com/patents/US20100127224

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In one embodiment, the fine silica particles can include at least one of silica fume, fumed silica, or powdered quartz. The fine silica particles may have an average diameter ranging between 5 nanometers and 10 microns. The fine particles may closely resemble a composition of volcanic ash, such that they have optical and physical properties similar to volcanic ash.
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A method is provided for mitigating global warming in accordance with an embodiment of the invention. Such method can include injecting or dispersing fine silica particles into the stratosphere. The particles are dispersed in a concentration sufficient to cause statistically significant warming of the stratosphere. A statistically significant cooling of the troposphere can also occur simultaneously with the warming of the stratosphere.

I cannot believe you still think geoengineering is only a conspiracy theory...

You have no scientific method whatsoever and refuse to admit the evidences put forward by experimented scientists.

What a joke!
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So, once again- no evidence from the man who can't recognise a cloud.

Did you read the wiki page? Here's the first paragraph or so. I have emphasised some words for you since you must have missed them.

The ability of stratospheric sulfate aerosols to create a global dimming effect has made them a POSSIBLE candidate for use in solar radiation management climate engineering projects[1] to limit the effect and impact of climate change due to rising levels of greenhouse gases.[2] Delivery of precursor sulfide gases such as sulfuric acid,[3] hydrogen sulfide (H2S) or sulfur dioxide (SO2) by artillery, aircraft[4] and balloons HAS BEEN PROPOSED.[5] It presently appears that this proposed method COULD counter most climatic changes, take effect rapidly, have very low direct implementation costs, and be reversible in its direct climatic effects."
Did you notice something there- nobody says that anyone is doing it (except on a tiny experimental scale).

You have misunderstood the scientific method .
It's not my job to prove that the mythical nozzles do not exist.
It's your job to show that they do.
You should be able to show me the things on lots of planes taken all over the world by holiday makers and plane spotters.
And yet  you have nothing.

why is that?
Why can't you show me a stack of pictures?

And I may have mentioned this before; the patent office does not comment on whether or not something would work. Also the existence of a patent does not indicate that the product actually exists or is in use.

Why post stuff about patents?
Is it that you don't understand them; or just desperation?
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Why can't you show me a stack of pictures?

You don't seem intelligent enough to use Google and search pictures of chemtrails by yourself...

Your attitude is so boring, nobody is denying the existence of chemtrails except you.

Why can't you politely admit your ignorance and let yourself become educated?

I guess you don't want to see hard photographic evidences of chemtrails because your subconscious mind cannot accept this possibility?

Let me know whenever your attitude towards science become positive...
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"You don't seem intelligent enough to use Google and search pictures of chemtrails by yourself..."
I can search lots of pictures.
But we have established that you (the one who claims expertise) can't tell a chemtrail from a cloud.
So exactly what would I gain from looking at those pictures?
Did you somehow think you had made a valid point there?

"Your attitude is so boring, nobody is denying the existence of chemtrails except you."
Why make such an obviously false statement?
Evereybody with an IQ larger than their shoe size denies the existence of chemtrails (at least in the way you are suggesting they exists)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory


"Why can't you politely admit your ignorance and let yourself become educated? "
I'm happy to admit my ignorance.
Just as soon as you have made some attempt to show that I'm the  one who is ignorant.
As I have said repeatedly, you have not actually shown any evidence to support your claim.



"I guess you don't want to see hard photographic evidences of chemtrails because your subconscious mind cannot accept this possibility?"
I keep asking for that evidence; you keep failing to supply it. That's clearly got nothing to do with my subconscious (or any other aspect of me).
Why don't you supply some actual evidence? (Though I advise you to check on the meaning of the word, as it relates to science, iun oder to avoid wasting time + bandwidth with things like hearsay and logical fallacies)

"Let me know whenever your attitude towards science become positive..."
Science depends on evidence.
You have not yet produced any.
You have also failed to explain why chemtrails would even make sense.

And you still can't recognise a cloud.

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