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Iko, I'm realativly new to the ask and answer boards. I'm wondering could you give me a bit of a "Bio" on your self since I see your name so often. Also Neilep, Whats your story?
Posted by iko19/11/2006Prevention, protection from prolonged cod liver use (over one year)...did you read the "Shanghai report" at the beginning of this topic?The 1988 report is correct and statistically sound.Any comment?
Posted by iko12/08/2006 …In 1988 a group of epidemiologists analyze data related to children suffering from different types of leukemia in Shanghai. Data from a similar group of healthy children are used as reference control. They surprisingly find a significantly lower incidence of leukemia in children taking cod liver oil for more than one year.A scientific report is sent to a widely known medical journal (Cancer), peer-reviewed, accepted and published after a few weeks.Strangely enough, a possible therapeutic effect of cod liver oil administration to leukemic children is not even mentioned by the Authors.
Posted by iko09/08/2006that multiple factors responsible for human leukemia are probably in the environment.
...A higher proportion of controls (8%) than cases (4%) reported long-term (>1 year) usage of cod liver oil containing vitamins A and D (OR = 0.3; 95% CI = 0.2-0.7). Entended use of these vitamins was associated with reduced risk of ALL (OR = 0.4; 95% CI = 0.2-0.9) and ANLL (OR = 0.3; 95% CI = 0.1-1.0).
...Vitamin A and beta-carotene in fruits and vegetables appear to protect against certain epithelial cancers (30). Retinoids, a vitamin A derivative, have been shown to inhibit carcinogenesis in various model systems, including the proliferation of blast cells from human myelogenous leukemia cell lines (31).
Vitamin D is an important regulator of bone mineral metabolism in humans, and 1,25-dihydroxy vitamin D3 [1,25(OH)2D3], an active metabolite of vitamin D, enhances intestinal calcium transport and thus may protect against colorectal cancer. Recently, it was shown that 1,25(OH)2D3 also inhibits proliferation of human leukemia and lymphoma cells by inducing bone marrow stem cells to differentiate along the monocyte/macrophage pathway (32).
Enrico Incarbone MD(Lucky father of an ALL survivor)ALL: Acute Lymphoblastic Leukemia (common type: 65-75% alive after 5 years)To support this one I started a special"Cod Liver Oil" topic in Complementary Medicine.You are kindly invited to read and discuss both topics.ikoKey words: leukemia nutrition vitamin cod liver oil
Ahi, Ahi, Ahi, Neilepus! http://www.kohlchildrensmuseum.org/images/content/pagebuilder/10605.jpgYou missed my 'story' through hundreds of lines...I would suggest to clean your scanner lenses!Here we go:QuoteMy problem is that - sitting here in front of my PC - I am not able to give 'cod' every day to all the leukemic children in the world. I can only manage to remind my 'little' boy (actually he grew up much taller than his older brother) to take his cod in the evening.More than seven years have past for our family, and eighteen years from the Shanghai report:it's just about time to move and tell people around.Thanks to search engines and this www (what-women-want?). Anyway, I'm not too pessimistic about it.I think I can make it, and I will succeed in the end.Roby was 13 in '99, now he is a mature young adultand studies at the Polytechnic to become an aircraftengineer and move to Los Angeles...he likes it there!He grew up taller than his older brother Marco: ournurses and doctors here at Children's Hospital werejust fantastic.Thanks for appreciating my efforts and for your support,but...what do you think about the comparison 'doctorsversus engineers' at the very beginning of the topic,my novel-essay entitled "The Shanghai report"?ikodcentrate again!Take your time...I'll keep in touch.
My problem is that - sitting here in front of my PC - I am not able to give 'cod' every day to all the leukemic children in the world. I can only manage to remind my 'little' boy (actually he grew up much taller than his older brother) to take his cod in the evening.More than seven years have past for our family, and eighteen years from the Shanghai report:it's just about time to move and tell people around.Thanks to search engines and this www (what-women-want?). Anyway, I'm not too pessimistic about it.I think I can make it, and I will succeed in the end.
In the mean time...lets hope some passing cod liver specialistsdive in and post some comments too..YAYYYYYYYYYY !!
"Cod liver oil is in the forefront of children's remedies.For long it has been struggling against the scepticism of exact science" Rosenstern: Berl. klin. Wchuschr. 47;822, 1910.
The manner in which M. Bretonneau, of Tours, was induced to give the oil in this disease deserves notice.He had treated the rachitic child of a rich Dutch merchant with preparations of iodine and other means, for some time, without success.He was then told by the father that the elder children had previously suffered under the same malady, and had been cured by the cod liver oil, which, in Holland, was a popular remedy. Bretonneau gave the same substance to his young patient, and was much struck with the very rapid and successful result which followed.He commenced making researches with it on other patients, and it was only then that he learnt for the first time what had been written by the German authors on this subject.He has since given it extensively in rachitis, with the happiest results.This fact was communicated to the Societe de Medicine de Paris, in 1837, by M. Roche. 10. Trousseau: Clinical Medicine, Philadelphia 2: 734, 1882.
Obviously, it would not be just "vitamin A" or just "vitamin D" or any single component of cod liver oil, but how they were working together to give the results seen in the Shanghai Report. So where can you direct me to look for more information that will be relevant to this discussion? What questions should I be asking, where should I be looking? If there was a report little noticed in Shanghai, there may well be one elsewhere of a similar nature. There are a few places that come to mind for searching.Zoey
There is one who came to mind who may well be interested. That is Dr. Matti Tolonen in Finland. I read one of his books on vitamns a few years ago. He was an advisor to the WHO. He turned his focus to nutritional medicine in the 1980s so may not have seen the report.
A researcher is turning up in my google travels tonight. The name is S Halabi and I'm trying to locate this person who has done clinical studies on the use of fish oil in cancer\leukemia. It is certainly possible this scientist never saw the Shanghai Report and would be very interested in it. This is the report from my search:2004 -- Pubmed # 15241836 -- Burns CP, Halabi S, Clamon G, Kaplan E, Hohl RJ, Atkins JN, Schwartz MA, Wagner BA, Paskett E. Phase II study of high-dose fish oil capsules for patients with cancer-related cachexia. Cancer. 2004 Jul 15;101(2):370-8. Looking up one of these researchers led to this link:http://biostat.duke.edu/modules/dukefaculty/viewDetails.php?d=halab001&t=1
"Good wishes" are not what is needed. There needs to be some open debate and inquirey on the subject of using COL in ALL, prevention or during treatment. One other physician\researcher comes to mind as well. I have mentioned her before but will recheck before posting anything on her. I may look up the addresses for the major COL suppliers and to ask who is doing, or interested in doing research on COL. More people who can act on this issue need to be drawn into this discussion. Perhaps we should rent a plane that can pull a banner displaying the codfather and his message. If that fails, maybe a message in an empty [cod liver oil] bottle will get some attention to this subject. There are other options, but we can only pull one trick out of our magic hats at one time.Zoey
I'll throw out a metaphorical line and see if we can reel in a good catch! Can you send any secrets on how to successfully load photos to this forum? I failed in my other attempt.Zoey
Thanks Paul, I'll try it "tomorrow"Zoey
How did the cod deficiency affect the evolution of the culture?Zoey