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quote:Originally posted by roareryes I wholly agree Another_Someone that the body does "progressively" (for want of a better word) die....but there remains valid questions to this...and one is "Why does nature (as this seems to be a natural phenomenon) take the trouble to warn us in anticipation (of this "progressive death") by way of an NDE (as you are implying that this is that warning) when the outcome is just voidness ? For example...why not the alternative......."a progressive death"...but in the absence of any anticipatory warning. This is like someone who jumps off a very high bridge in order to commit suicide into a river and you come along in a helicopter beside him (whilst he is on the way down) and telling him..."listen buddy you are going to die when you hit that river" I think you get the gist.
quote:Originally posted by roarerTelling someone s/he is going to die PRIOR to jumping off a bridge is BEFORE THE FACT of death. The NDE is NOT before the fact of death..but rather, and this is at worst case scenario, DURING the fact of death....where the hospital staff in the ER is using shock and/or other implements, some drugs, to restore the essential bodily functions to normal. This is when the patient has NO HEARBEAT where s/he is TECHNICALLY dead.... or where s/he has ALREADY jumped off that bridge..is either dead...or on the way to death
quote:Originally posted by roarerNow I see...what you are saying is that quote'"the NDE is a loss of danger signals" end quote. If I understand that correctly then this means that you think that the NDE (as in concurrence with many skeptics) is a naturally occuring calming effect just prior to death
quote: for the purpose of sliding us into that death in the absence of any stress (mental or otherwise.).
quote:I do believe however that there is life after death and that some supernatural being (we call God) does exist if only in name only.And the NDE is but a glance into it.
quote:Originally posted by roarerWhen you said that the NDE is not there for any particular purpose.....I wholly disagree. There is a purpose.....all we have to do is to find it
quote:Originally posted by ScouseLadI don't know if I'm gona get banned for this, but roarer u chat SHIZZZZZZZZ m8.
quote:religion has nothing to do wiv any of it, u die and then ur gone FULL STOP . but b4 u get to the death part u have ure NDE. so da NDE doesnt have anythin 2 do wiv goin anywhere else at all, cos your souls still inside ure body, get me?. and your making it like a argument more than what you think on the subject, youre just a bored gobshiAHEM.Off tha topic now once youve properley crossed over into wonderland then your dead, and can't be brought back, I think anyway. No-one will never know what happens after you die, because the people who do know this are dead. So really its not even worth thinkin about that untill we meet our makers..an speaking of religion agen I tell u what im goin 2 smash god (if he does exist) in the face for making the world such a dump
quote:Originally posted by roarerI have another theory fellas...so hear me out. What IF....what IF....there is really an afterlife...a life in "soul" mode where you can travel to anywhere in milliseconds....no pain exists...no mortgage payments exist..you never become thirsty..you never become hungry. you have no need for money.... no diseases exist.....in short you are in eternal blissful life...a life which is the diametric opposite to this life in "body" mode..where there is pain..where diseases exists....etc etc.Now what IF....nature...aha..there is that again....AT ALL COSTS and deliberately prevents you the human from learning about this life. What if this is "nature's work"...that we either are prevented from learning about this other life.....or that we plainly disbelieve it?And why would nature deliberately do this? I shall simply ask this. What would occur should it be PROVEN that there is a another life after death in soul mode (as described above)Well..what may occur is that perhaps many millions..if not billions of people...in an act of desperation shall commit SUICIDE...in order to have a better life..in the afterlife. This goes against nature's purpose..that is to MAXIMISE the chances of the human being's survival on this planet.
quote:Originally posted by geckoim so sick of this "nature dictates" garbage. humans ARE NATURE. any advances we make medically are not "unnatural". you say that bringing people back with resuccitation is unnatural; the logical extension of this is that all medical practice is "unnatural". in fact, having the chicken bone squeezed out of your throat is unnatural! if you choked on it, its NATURAL for you to die. cutting off part of your breast to keep cancer from spreading is unnatural: nature dictates humans should remain with their breasts throughout life.
quote:Originally posted by roarerAS..this can be explained quite credibly. We are NOT supposed to know about that "afterlife". However since the early 70's when resuscitation techniques were improved in bringing people "back from the dead"..these NDE's were occuring in a major way. You see bringing people back from the dead is UNNATURAL in itself! When someone dies..nature dictates that s/he should REMAIN dead..not brought back to life
quote:Originally posted by roarerI am not condemning modern medicine for going against nature....I am simply stating that nature...which permits the human species to live in liberty under a policy of "free will"....could not forsee and/or prevent (because of that policy) the capability of the human to IMPROVE resuscitation methods to a point whereby perhaps that "afterlife" (which nature itself perhaps prevents the human species from experiencing) can be "accessed". That is what I meant by "unnatural"