Did the US Government plan and carry out the 9/11 attacks?

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This video is a pretty good summary of all the important inside job proof.

September 11 -- The New Pearl Harbor (FULL)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DOnAn_PX6M [nofollow]">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DOnAn_PX6M [nofollow]

The only important piece of proof the above video doesn't deal with is the fact that the craft that hit the Pentagon was too short to be a 757.

http://0911.voila.net/index4.htm [nofollow]
(5th picture from top)


Here's some more stuff.

Explosives Technician - Loader - AE911Truth.org
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5IgqJXyLbg [nofollow]">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5IgqJXyLbg [nofollow]

The Death of Controlled Demolition Expert Danny Jowenko after Speaking about 9/11 WTC 7 Building 7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zHHvo6U4lA [nofollow]


ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS FOR 911 TRUTH (full unreleased version)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-V1CiuGMJo [nofollow]">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-V1CiuGMJo [nofollow]

Architects & Engineers - Solving the Mystery of WTC 7 - AE911Truth.org
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw [nofollow]">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw [nofollow]


These videos do a good job of explaining the government's probable motives for planning and carrying out the 9/11 attacks.

9/11 False Flag Conspiracy - Finally Solved (Names, Connections, Motives)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAAztWC5sT8 [nofollow]">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAAztWC5sT8 [nofollow]

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/new-american-century/ [nofollow]


So do these articles.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/search?q=lithium [nofollow]
http://www.globalresearch.ca/search?q=iraq+oi [nofollow]


If people look at the above info and experience cognitive dissonance and go into denial, they should watch this video.

Why Can't They See The Truth? Psychologists Help 9 11 Truth Deniers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Xzmprkpxac [nofollow]">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Xzmprkpxac [nofollow]

That won't sway these posters though.
http://cultureofawareness.com/2012/09/26/disinformation-campaign-exposure-confessions-of-a-paid-disinformation-poster/ [nofollow]
http://ombudsmanwatchers.org.uk/articles/twenty_five_ways.html [nofollow]


Beware of disinfo such as the no-plane theory.

provocateurs,shills and disinfo agents
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYedTmaHt1A [nofollow]">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYedTmaHt1A [nofollow]
(7:20 time mark)

People who say no planes hit the towers are disinfo agents trying to make the truth movement look silly. Real truthers believe that planes hit the towers.


If the YouTube links don't work, do YouTube searches on the titles.
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Please, not another conspiracy theorist.
If brains were made of dynamite, I wouldn't have enough to blow my nose.

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  Please, not another conspiracy theorist. 
If a theory is wrong, it will fall by its own lack of merit.  Why don't you show us why it's wrong?

This analysis seems to prove that the craft that hit the Pentagon was too short to be a 757.
http://0911.voila.net/index4.htm [nofollow]
(5th picture from top)

Let's hear your analysis of this.

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Hi Drifty (nice to meet you), that's quite a compilation....

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If a theory is wrong, it will fall by its own lack of merit.  Why don't you show us why it's wrong?

Hah! That sounds very much like the Scientific Method. I'm afraid you won't have much luck with that sort of thing around here. Just have a look at the thread "What is Free Fall?"....

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=49603.0

At the end of it (over five months ago), I posted a complete empirically verifiable scientific method driven graphical target system analysis and conclusion arrived at by process of elimination (really just an exhaustively stated eighth grade homework assignment) that clearly demonstrates why the only possible logical explanation/model for the behaviour of World Trade Center Building 7 that can fully account for the now long verified observation by both the NIST and various independent researchers of a significant period of gravitational acceleration is the sudden explosive removal of supporting structure by some form of energetic material having been physically transported into the building some time prior....

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=49603.msg440497#msg440497

And Dr. Alan Calverd (an experienced Ph.D Research Physicist), who actually helped to guide the formatting of the animations, apparently has nothing to say. More recently, PmbPhy (another alleged physicist), just skipped over it completely and made some kind of useless irrelevant off topic quip about another forum member. Other than that.... nothing.

Not one of the other members here (longstanding or otherwise) have offered even one word of support either (except for a bizarre irrational interjection by Bored chemist) for alancalverds proposed, and no doubt still evolving, fantastic empirically unsupported simultaneous multi-stage "Catastrophic Aerostatic Blowout/Speed of Sound Stress Propagation/Spontaneous Structural Steel Disintegration/Natural Progressive Structural Gravitational Acceleration" contraption that, laughably, can neither match nor create the well known conditions required for the observed symmetrical gravitational acceleration of the upper part of the building to have occurred for even one inch, let alone over one hundred feet.... and neither has anyone offered any valid critique that would tend to confirm or deny the veracity of the analysis I posted, which, by the way, continues to stand unassailed in the sense of anyone coherently breaking some aspect of it by simply copying and pasting even one of its hilariously simple animations, along with a bit of accompanying descriptive text, that says anything like "This animation and accompanying descriptive text is incorrect, the scenario (target system) being compared to the control (source system) would not play out as depicted/described and here's why....".

The empirically established fact that WTC7 was brought down by explosives immediately shines a bright light on the only ones who could possibly have carried out a covert domestic operation of this magnitude.... the only ones who had exclusive 24/7 access to the highly secured building (WTC7).... the only ones who were in complete control of the security system for the building.... the only ones who had ready access to the quantity and quality of energetic materials required.... and the only ones who had the required expertise in the effective use of said energetic materials. The fact is that only the Department of Defense/Central Intelligence Agency could have done it, because just as there is no other possible explanation for the behavior of WTC7 other than energetic materials having been physically transported into the building, so there is no other possible explanation as to who could have done it since the building was in perpetual lock down as a highly secured government facility.
 
So to sum up, in this case anyway, one simple fact (free fall) leads to an inescapable conclusion (controlled demolition). That one simple fact and the inescapable conclusion it naturally leads to (as revealed by analysis), that WTC7 literally had to have been brought down by explosives, along with the fact (as revealed by the list of tenants) that personnel from the Department of Defense/Central Intelligence Agency are literally the only ones who could possibly have done it, really wraps it all up in one nice neat little package.
 
The US Government Planned and Carried Out the 9/11 Attacks

Hi Don_1....

Please, not another conspiracy theorist.

What do you get out of posting meaningless useless irrelevant one liners? There is no conspiracy theory, opinion, assumption or speculation in the analysis I posted, only empirically verifiable data top to botttom. If you (or any of the other self imagined geniuses here) can't manage to break the analysis in the above described manner or provide some more plausible empirically verifiable explanation that somehow supercedes it, analytically, you're screwed.... that's another fact.
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Hi Aemilius

Thanks for the support here.  You seem to be good at checkmating sophists.

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And fairies are responsible for every case of schizophrenia.
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And j******g will produce hair on the palms of your hands.

Give me a break........................................................................
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Thanks for the support here.

Don't mention it.... the feeling is mutual.



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And fairies are responsible for every case of schizophrenia.
And toads will give you warts.
And j******g will produce hair on the palms of your hands.

Give me a break........................................................................

"Silence is better than unmeaning words." - Pythagoras
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What the hell is wrong with you? Don't you know how to think clearly? All of those assertions have more than one interpretations. Claims made by others are always made with the impression that there is no other possible way to see it and that's how conspiracy theories stay alive. And there's never been one of you who'd even consider that it might just be possible. Also there's not one of you who would consider that the other person on the opposite argument isn't as intelligent as you are or can't put the pieces together as well as you have.

It's poor thinking skills that results in these conspiracy theories. I've seen it too many times to count.

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  What the hell is wrong with you? Don't you know how to think clearly? All of those assertions have more than one interpretations. Claims made by others are always made with the impression that there is no other possible way to see it and that's how conspiracy theories stay alive. And there's never been one of you who'd even consider that it might just be possible. Also there's not one of you who would consider that the other person on the opposite argument isn't as intelligent as you are or can't put the pieces together as well as you have.

It's poor thinking skills that results in these conspiracy theories. I've seen it too many times to count. 
Let's hear you address reply #2.

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Re: The US Government Planned and Carried Out the 9/11 Attacks
« Reply #10 on: 27/02/2015 16:35:36 »
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What the hell is wrong with you? Don't you know how to think clearly? All of those assertions have more than one interpretations. Claims made by others are always made with the impression that there is no other possible way to see it and that's how conspiracy theories stay alive. And there's never been one of you who'd even consider that it might just be possible. Also there's not one of you who would consider that the other person on the opposite argument isn't as intelligent as you are or can't put the pieces together as well as you have.

It's poor thinking skills that results in these conspiracy theories. I've seen it too many times to count.

Well, I'm open to correction. It just seems to me that in the same time it took you to compose that little tantrum, you could have (like a real physicist) simply pointed out some obvious error in the analysis I posted over in the thread "What is Free Fall?"....

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=49603.msg440497#msg440497

If you'd done that, right now I would be saying "Thanks for the correction PmbPhy! When I have questions about things like this in the future I'll be sure to seek you out." and that would be the end of it.

And speaking of clear thinking.... What was the point of leapfrogging over the analysis I posted over there and making that irrelevant off topic quip about Bored chemist anyway? 

That's what I call poor thinking.
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Re: The US Government Planned and Carried Out the 9/11 Attacks
« Reply #11 on: 03/03/2015 08:51:05 »
When I posted to the latest 9/11 conspiracy thread, "Please, not another conspiracy theorist." I had no intention of posting anything else to that thread.

So what did you get out of posting it then? If all you intended to do was post a derisive eye rolling one liner that you had no intention of providing any support for.... What was the point of posting? That doesn't make any sense.

I am proud to say that despite all, I have stuck to my guns. I will not be drawn into one of these threads' where there is no end to the pointless arguing.

Hah! So let me get this straight. You don't mind contributing four or five paragraphs to something like the literally ancient debate over whether or not there's a God....

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=54280.msg450180#msg450180

....where it couldn't possibly be more obvious there will never be any end to the pointless arguing, but you really draw the line when it comes to confirming or denying the veracity of information conveyed by an eighth grade level empirically verifiable target system analyisis that firmly supports an inescapable conclusion arrived at by simple process of elimination.... and you draw that line by replying with nothing more than a derisive eye rolling one liner followed by a flat refusal to discuss the matter any further. Stick to your guns if you like then, analytically you're just shooting blanks so.... What does it matter?

Just like PmbPhy, nothing you've said has any impact on the analysis so.... What do I care? If you guys enjoy jumping up in front of a big crowd of people and pulling the rug out from under yourselves in debate and landing flat on your faces and then just walking away it's none of my business. Enjoy!   

So to repeat, I'm open to correction, but not by means of childish tantrums or derisive eye rolling one liners. Simply point out some obvious error in the analysis I posted over in the thread "What is Free Fall?"....

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=49603.msg440497#msg440497

If none of you can manage to coherently break some aspect of the analysis by simply copying and pasting at least one of its hilariously simple animations, along with a bit of accompanying descriptive text, that says something like "This animation and accompanying descriptive text is incorrect, the scenario (target system) being compared to the control (source system) would not play out as depicted/described and here's why...." or provide some other more plausible empirically verifiable explanation, there's really no reason for me to take anything any of you say seriously. 

Both the analysis and it's conclusion continue to stand unassailed.... the building was intentionally brought down by explosives on September 11, 2001.
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Re: The US Government Planned and Carried Out the 9/11 Attacks
« Reply #12 on: 12/08/2015 18:28:36 »
I want to add this video to the list in post #1.

Pilot Who Flew The Airplanes That Crashed on 9/11 Speaks Out!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXA-enq65ng [nofollow]

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Re: The US Government Planned and Carried Out the 9/11 Attacks
« Reply #13 on: 23/08/2015 19:08:24 »
Cosmored, I wish I could say it's good to see you again.

Cosmored has been haunting our forum for years and just popped back in, posting a link to The Naked Scientist and telling us he was posting under the name Drifty.

If he was banned under the name Cosmored, the moderators at TNS might want to deal with Drifty.

Though I have to say you guys have kind of a cool forum and I think I'll stick around.  But not because of Cosmo/Drifty!

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Re: The US Government Planned and Carried Out the 9/11 Attacks
« Reply #14 on: 23/08/2015 20:59:42 »
Quote from: Drifty
This video is a pretty good summary of all the important inside job proof.
While there are some strange things that I can't understand about some of the videos and pictures I saw, it's a very long way to a conspiracy. It's just bad science/reasoning to jump to conclusions like that, especially since it's unlikely in the extreme to convince all of the people involved to do what is being claimed that they did. More later.

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Re: The US Government Planned and Carried Out the 9/11 Attacks
« Reply #15 on: 16/01/2016 16:28:01 »
I believe 9/11 was a inside job. I reject the mainstream theory that Al-Qaida is a independent terrorist organization as we can observe patterns in the method artificial terrorism occurs. This type of criminal activity must be supported by a network of supporters attempting to create a global war on terrorism - the new world order.

“All three buildings were destroyed by carefully planned, orchestrated and executed controlled demolition.” – Professor Lynn Margulis

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2015/10/27/professors-politicians-gather-to-warn-us-about-the-new-world-order-nwo/

The controlled demolition hypothesis is scientifically valid. Planes don't bring down buildings alone by crashing into them. There must be some kind of explosives to make the buildings collapse without resistance.

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

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Re: The US Government Planned and Carried Out the 9/11 Attacks
« Reply #16 on: 16/01/2016 18:43:05 »
I believe 9/11 was a inside job ...

I only need "the moon-landings were faked" for tkadm30 give me a full-house on conspiracy-theory bingo.  [;)]

No matter how absurd the theory, as long as it's wrapped in conspiracy, the paranoid will accept it , as their brain is constantly in conspiracy-theory-mode [7], a manifestation of which is the phenomenon colloquially-known as crank magnetism.   

Surely there's a more suitable forum for tkadm30, e.g. Above Top Secret , you'll find kindred-spirits there , but not much logic.
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Re: The US Government Planned and Carried Out the 9/11 Attacks
« Reply #17 on: 17/01/2016 11:09:21 »
RD,

Your out of context quote is once again irrelevant. The plausability of the state-sponsored controlled demolitition theory has been supported by many scientists and engineers. Hence, your accusations of my so called paranoia are evidences that you must be denying the truth one way or another.
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Re: The US Government Planned and Carried Out the 9/11 Attacks
« Reply #18 on: 25/01/2016 15:08:23 »
Please, not another conspiracy theorist.

Hey Don, interestingly the offical American Government line- is actually a conspiracy theory. So it appears whoever talks about 9/11 talks conspiracy.


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Re: The US Government Planned and Carried Out the 9/11 Attacks
« Reply #19 on: 25/01/2016 15:15:17 »
Still it is interesting to see this continuing...

The truth is out there somewhere. Personally I think there should be an international investigation into what happened on 9/11, and without American involvement.

I mean if the American Elites did carry out 9/11 and there is certainly evidence that motions in that direction- If they are allowed to get away with it,
what wont they be able to do in the future? 

Interesting site Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (AE911Truth) apparently there are many.

http://www.ae911truth.org/

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Re: The US Government Planned and Carried Out the 9/11 Attacks
« Reply #20 on: 25/01/2016 15:26:13 »
I reject the mainstream theory that Al-Qaida is a independent terrorist organization as we can observe patterns in the method artificial terrorism occurs. This type of criminal activity must be supported by a network of supporters attempting to create a global war on terrorism - the new world order.


It's an unspoken truth that Al-Qaida was a group invented by the FBI, to try and gain a Mafia style prosicution of Bin laden. Apparently Al-Quida is what Arabs say to their childen when they want them to go to the toilet :)

Thee BBC documentary 'The power of nightmares' by Adam Curtist explores how Al-quida was invented and their capabilities exzagerated by Britian and America, for political gain amoung other things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fjzzgzZJns  Enjoy :(  youtube-/watch?v=5fjzzgzZJns

 
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Re: The US Government Planned and Carried Out the 9/11 Attacks
« Reply #21 on: 02/02/2016 00:43:07 »
I believe 911 was a right wing U.S. group .. very small circle of friends like Timothy McVeigh.  The U.S. government simply used the event to blame the new 'satan' and invade and destroy and steal crude oil which is, after all, absolutely essential to survival of the U.S. nation's way of life.  That this all benefits Israel doesn't need saying, and may be fullfillment of prophecy.  However, I am not saying the U.S. is an avenging angel, all the mass murders in the U.S. and the plagues and pollutions and droughts etc. prove that God is not pleased with the U.S. .. the U.S. should have let Europe destroy Israel's enemies while concentrating on developing a trans-Americas social economic system.  This has happened too.  But anyway we look at things, we are in big trouble everyone on earth.

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Re: The US Government Planned and Carried Out the 9/11 Attacks
« Reply #22 on: 06/03/2016 11:41:37 »
Interesting RD (hope you're doing well)....

No matter how absurd the theory, as long as it's wrapped in conspiracy, the paranoid will accept it , as their brain is constantly in conspiracy-theory-mode [7], a manifestation of which is the phenomenon colloquially-known as crank magnetism.   

Surely there's a more suitable forum for tkadm30, e.g. Above Top Secret , you'll find kindred-spirits there , but not much logic.
 

....but it doesn't work. My simple easy to understand graphical analysis of WTC7 that definitively concludes intentionally placed energetic materials brought down the building has been sitting there empirically unassailed in any way shape or form (with over 50,000 views) for about a year and a half and to date none of you (Dr. Calverd, Bored chemist, Dr. Smith, Don_1, PmbPhy, CliffordK, JP, evan_au or any other members here) can seem to manage to even address it let alone break it or show any aspect or feature of it to be incorrect by simply copying and pasting even one of the many simple animations (formatting guided by Dr. Calverd) along with a bit of accompanying descriptive text that says anything like "This animation and accompanying descriptive text is incorrect, the scenario (target system) being compared to the control (source system) would not play out as depicted/described and here's why...." followed by any kind of simple cogently elucidated explanation of some perceived error or needed correction, nor have any of you provided any other more plausible empirically verifiable explanation for the buildings videographically documented destruction that supercedes it.... yet here you are, continuing (at least it appears to me) to personally attack people, make derisive remarks and post insulting links that include references to people being cranks, mental instability, paranoia, nutty conspiracy theorists etc.
 
The analysis (of WTC7) is either correct or it's not, it's just as simple as that. If no one can break it or show some aspect of it to be incorrect in the above described manner.... then it is in fact proponents of the official narrative like you that are actually exhibiting all the mental defects you are attributing to others here.... it is proponents of the official narrative who continue to irrationally argue against Isaac Newtons immutable Law of Conservation of Energy as applied to a falling body.... it is proponents of the official narrative who flatly refuse to recognize the veracity of a simple high school level graphical empirical analysis.... it is proponents of the official narrative who are in complete denial as to what really happened and who delusionally continue to refuse to accept reality.... and it is proponents of the official narrative who revoltingly continue to maliciously attack people with cowardly name calling and invented stigmatizing labels like "mentally unstable conspiracy theorist nut case" amidst the endless repetition of the same suspiciously formulaic unscientific nonsense mixed with insults over and over again without ever providing any empirically verifiable support for their point of view or any rationally structured objection to the empirically verifiable data cited by others in support of their views either.

That's the definition of mental instability my friend, and unless or until you or someone else meets me over there and clearly refutes some aspect of that analysis, it remains correct.... and as long as it remains correct, it is in fact proponents of the official narrative that are the nutty mentally unstable tin foil hat science denier cranks....


....so come on and bring it. I challenge any and all of you, come on and prove me to be an idiot. 
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« Reply #23 on: 08/03/2016 20:51:14 »
Still waiting RD.... What's the problem?

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Re: The US Government Planned and Carried Out the 9/11 Attacks
« Reply #24 on: 09/03/2016 02:18:08 »
RD (unsurprisingly) seems to be having a bit of trouble providing any empirical support for his point of view.... Dr. Calverd?
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Re: The US Government Planned and Carried Out the 9/11 Attacks
« Reply #25 on: 10/03/2016 00:45:55 »
Interesting interview all about the chemisty of 9/11

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF334x-xWz8

.youtube.com/watch?v=XF334x-xWz8 Dr. Niels Harrit interview with Braindead BBC Reporter

Ponders Niels Harrits motives he clearly has one, every crime does :)

It's a crime against journalism
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Re: The US Government Planned and Carried Out the 9/11 Attacks
« Reply #26 on: 12/03/2016 04:05:15 »
Interesting interview all about the chemisty of 9/11...

Don't know about all that really but, as I've learned here, just as with some physicists, some chemists, like Dr. Frank Legge PhD for example, are a little smarter than others....


Anyway I tried to ask Mr. Harrit about the issue of gravitational acceleration on his blog but my posts were quietly removed without any response. Doesn't have any impact on the analysis though so.... Who cares? The prima facie analysis continues to stand empirically unassailed in any way....


....and for as long as it continues to stand empirically unassailed it is considered to be correct, and for as long as it continues to be considered correct it will remain empirically established fact, and for as long as it remains empirically established fact it will continue to be true that the building was brought down by intentionally placed energetic materials.

That's the scientific method. 
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Re: The US Government Planned and Carried Out the 9/11 Attacks
« Reply #27 on: 12/03/2016 17:49:51 »
The towers of the world trade center collapsed because molten aluminium, being explosive, caused the upper support structure to fail. It is simple physics. However, shame on me for spoiling all that fun you are having.
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Re: The US Government Planned and Carried Out the 9/11 Attacks
« Reply #28 on: 13/03/2016 10:30:14 »
None of this....

The towers of the world trade center collapsed because molten aluminium, being explosive, caused the upper support structure to fail. It is simple physics. However, shame on me for spoiling all that fun you are having.

....changed any of this....

The prima facie analysis continues to stand empirically unassailed in any way....


....and for as long as it continues to stand empirically unassailed it is considered to be correct, and for as long as it continues to be considered correct it will remain empirically established fact, and for as long as it remains empirically established fact it will continue to be true that the building was brought down by intentionally placed energetic materials.

Since no aircraft struck WTC7 molten aluminum can't be used to explain its destruction. So really, the only thing you've spoiled here is the chance of anyone taking your remarks on that issue seriously.
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« Reply #29 on: 13/03/2016 20:22:24 »
http://akashictimes.co.uk/david-cameron-unveils-plans-to-ban-free-speech-and-protest/

David Cameron is now set to terrorise people that believe 9/11 was an inside job.

To quote:- "Well, according to David Cameron, the law will target “non-violent conspiracy theorists” who he claims are just as dangerous as the ISIS terrorists and must therefore, be eradicated.

He referenced 9/11 and 7/7 Truthers as examples of the type of extremism that must be dealt in a similar fashion to ISIS.

Such individuals are deemed to be a threat to “the functioning of democracy.”

Furthermore, the Home Office claimed that the government’s “counter-extremism” strategy would encompass “the full spectrum of extremism”.


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« Reply #30 on: 13/03/2016 20:28:23 »
http://akashictimes.co.uk/david-cameron-unveils-plans-to-ban-free-speech-and-protest/

David Cameron is now set to terrorise people that believe 9/11 was an inside job.

To quote:- "Well, according to David Cameron, the law will target “non-violent conspiracy theorists” who he claims are just as dangerous as the ISIS terrorists and must therefore, be eradicated.

He referenced 9/11 and 7/7 Truthers as examples of the type of extremism that must be dealt in a similar fashion to ISIS.

Such individuals are deemed to be a threat to “the functioning of democracy.”

Furthermore, the Home Office claimed that the government’s “counter-extremism” strategy would encompass “the full spectrum of extremism”.



I'll just say that's interesting considering that some claim, the Free-masons actually were responsible for the attacks, I mean they have members in most areas of government and security serivces including the airforce CIA FBI and elected governmment, and David Cameron himself is a Freemason.

CULTS are a bigger threat to democracy then conspiacy theorists. But then America isnt a democracy and neither is Britian. 

And what you should know and understand is that the government is simply adding in laws to make legal the criminal things the security services already do illegal. The security services have been persicuting 9/11 truthers since the event happened. 

For there is evidence that 9/11 was clearly not simply carried out by a group of hyjackers(and therefore doubting the offical story is more resonable then crazy), this heavy handed responce, does suggest that whoever is really responsible for 9/11 is getting uncomfortable, and even more desperate. Last reports from america suggest 48% of newyorkers do not believe the offical story of 911 what the stats are for Britian are hard to say, but this law will simply stop many admitting to what they believe to be the case. Still this new law could result in the legal persicution of a huge swave of the British population- they clearly seek to scare people. Cowards hide, adults get squahed.   Are we going to be intimidated?
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« Reply #31 on: 14/03/2016 15:47:35 »
The towers of the world trade center collapsed because molten aluminium, being explosive, caused the upper support structure to fail. It is simple physics. However, shame on me for spoiling all that fun you are having.

IS THAT? Magic metal theory? OMG! How stupid, how could I have been soo foolish. I recant I take back everything I have ever said about 9/11 being an inside job, magic metal theory, why was I soo blind? what an idiot, and I will say this retraction has nothing to do with Cameron wanting to eliminate people that believe 9/11 was a government conspiracy, nothing at all, really nothing, maybe in the light of magic metal theory and the fact that as I am getting older, I am growing ever more conservative, and seem to like existing and Fellatio.

Hey jeffrey do you, like me also believe in the Magic bullet theory? 
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« Reply #32 on: 14/03/2016 16:10:54 »
So as best I understand it, with 'Magic metal theory' what happened is that they brought the steal metal frame pieaces of the world trade center to New york by ship, which passed through the bemusda triangle, and apparently this changed the metal as is fluxed in and out of 7 different dimensions of spacetime. This left the steal frame of the world trade center in a state of consistent interdimenional flux, shockingly and knowing this they built it anyway. It's unbelieveable.

Clearly when the aeroplanes hit the buildings they trigged a reaction in the space time demensional flux system, probably made worse because at least one of the planes had also been through the bemusda Triangle, this apparently caused the whole steal frame to, to disect and split itself into thread parts each sitting in a different demension of space time thus weakening and thining the frame in this demensional space time. Thus the heavily reduced frame could still sustain the mass weight but heat of a nano thermite chain reaction caused colapsed.

Wow. Where is Molder when you need him?  Or better ASk the CIA direct, I garentee they'll find the documents that prove interdimentalist space time distortion.
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« Reply #33 on: 19/03/2016 03:04:06 »
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« Reply #37 on: 19/04/2016 04:15:08 »
Interesting RD (hope you're doing well)....

No matter how absurd the theory, as long as it's wrapped in conspiracy, the paranoid will accept it , as their brain is constantly in conspiracy-theory-mode [7], a manifestation of which is the phenomenon colloquially-known as crank magnetism.   

Surely there's a more suitable forum for tkadm30, e.g. Above Top Secret , you'll find kindred-spirits there , but not much logic.
 

....but it doesn't work. My simple easy to understand graphical analysis of WTC7 that definitively concludes intentionally placed energetic materials brought down the building has been sitting there empirically unassailed in any way shape or form (with over 50,000 views) for about a year and a half and to date none of you (Dr. Calverd, Bored chemist, Dr. Smith, Don_1, PmbPhy, CliffordK, JP, evan_au or any other members here) can seem to manage to even address it let alone break it or show any aspect or feature of it to be incorrect by simply copying and pasting even one of the many simple animations (formatting guided by Dr. Calverd) along with a bit of accompanying descriptive text that says anything like "This animation and accompanying descriptive text is incorrect, the scenario (target system) being compared to the control (source system) would not play out as depicted/described and here's why...." followed by any kind of simple cogently elucidated explanation of some perceived error or needed correction, nor have any of you provided any other more plausible empirically verifiable explanation for the buildings videographically documented destruction that supercedes it.... yet here you are, continuing (at least it appears to me) to personally attack people, make derisive remarks and post insulting links that include references to people being cranks, mental instability, paranoia, nutty conspiracy theorists etc.
 
The analysis (of WTC7) is either correct or it's not, it's just as simple as that. If no one can break it or show some aspect of it to be incorrect in the above described manner.... then it is in fact proponents of the official narrative like you that are actually exhibiting all the mental defects you are attributing to others here.... it is proponents of the official narrative who continue to irrationally argue against Isaac Newtons immutable Law of Conservation of Energy as applied to a falling body.... it is proponents of the official narrative who flatly refuse to recognize the veracity of a simple high school level graphical empirical analysis.... it is proponents of the official narrative who are in complete denial as to what really happened and who delusionally continue to refuse to accept reality.... and it is proponents of the official narrative who revoltingly continue to maliciously attack people with cowardly name calling and invented stigmatizing labels like "mentally unstable conspiracy theorist nut case" amidst the endless repetition of the same suspiciously formulaic unscientific nonsense mixed with insults over and over again without ever providing any empirically verifiable support for their point of view or any rationally structured objection to the empirically verifiable data cited by others in support of their views either.

That's the definition of mental instability my friend, and unless or until you or someone else meets me over there and clearly refutes some aspect of that analysis, it remains correct.... and as long as it remains correct, it is in fact proponents of the official narrative that are the nutty mentally unstable tin foil hat science denier cranks....


....so come on and bring it. I challenge any and all of you, come on and prove me to be an idiot.

Pssst, hey Drifty.... You hear that sound? It's TheNakedSilence!
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« Reply #38 on: 19/04/2016 21:39:08 »
Interesting RD (hope you're doing well)....

No matter how absurd the theory, as long as it's wrapped in conspiracy, the paranoid will accept it , as their brain is constantly in conspiracy-theory-mode [7], a manifestation of which is the phenomenon colloquially-known as crank magnetism.   

Surely there's a more suitable forum for tkadm30, e.g. Above Top Secret , you'll find kindred-spirits there , but not much logic.
 

....but it doesn't work. My simple easy to understand graphical analysis of WTC7 that definitively concludes intentionally placed energetic materials brought down the building has been sitting there empirically unassailed in any way shape or form (with over 50,000 views) for about a year and a half and to date none of you (Dr. Calverd, Bored chemist, Dr. Smith, Don_1, PmbPhy, CliffordK, JP, evan_au or any other members here) can seem to manage to even address it let alone break it or show any aspect or feature of it to be incorrect by simply copying and pasting even one of the many simple animations (formatting guided by Dr. Calverd) along with a bit of accompanying descriptive text that says anything like "This animation and accompanying descriptive text is incorrect, the scenario (target system) being compared to the control (source system) would not play out as depicted/described and here's why...." followed by any kind of simple cogently elucidated explanation of some perceived error or needed correction, nor have any of you provided any other more plausible empirically verifiable explanation for the buildings videographically documented destruction that supercedes it.... yet here you are, continuing (at least it appears to me) to personally attack people, make derisive remarks and post insulting links that include references to people being cranks, mental instability, paranoia, nutty conspiracy theorists etc.
 
The analysis (of WTC7) is either correct or it's not, it's just as simple as that. If no one can break it or show some aspect of it to be incorrect in the above described manner.... then it is in fact proponents of the official narrative like you that are actually exhibiting all the mental defects you are attributing to others here.... it is proponents of the official narrative who continue to irrationally argue against Isaac Newtons immutable Law of Conservation of Energy as applied to a falling body.... it is proponents of the official narrative who flatly refuse to recognize the veracity of a simple high school level graphical empirical analysis.... it is proponents of the official narrative who are in complete denial as to what really happened and who delusionally continue to refuse to accept reality.... and it is proponents of the official narrative who revoltingly continue to maliciously attack people with cowardly name calling and invented stigmatizing labels like "mentally unstable conspiracy theorist nut case" amidst the endless repetition of the same suspiciously formulaic unscientific nonsense mixed with insults over and over again without ever providing any empirically verifiable support for their point of view or any rationally structured objection to the empirically verifiable data cited by others in support of their views either.

That's the definition of mental instability my friend, and unless or until you or someone else meets me over there and clearly refutes some aspect of that analysis, it remains correct.... and as long as it remains correct, it is in fact proponents of the official narrative that are the nutty mentally unstable tin foil hat science denier cranks....


....so come on and bring it. I challenge any and all of you, come on and prove me to be an idiot.

Pssst, hey Drifty.... You hear that sound? It's TheNakedSilence!

In a society of lies telling the truth is an act of treason.

Luckily science has been generally and historically the search for wealth, fame and prestige. Going against the grain isnt healthy in this regard. And for some it will not matter how much proff or evidence you have, the offical line must be toed. 

Imagine you're the president and evidence came to your desk proving 9/11 has CIA involvement amoung other agencies in America, the offical story of the events were all lies and the whole war on terror was part of an agenda to increase American power in the world, all the horrors that have since happened are made even more horrific as all the tortures camps, imprisionment of innocent people, drone attacks, millions dead after the invasions of Iraq and Afganistan, were all simply part of an agenda. What would the world say about a country and it's leaders, if that's the kind of people they really are? What would you do?

 
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« Reply #39 on: 19/04/2016 22:19:44 »
In a society of lies telling the truth is an act of treason.

It is an act of patriotism when you're defending your country for honor.

Quote from: Theodore Roosevelt
Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official, save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country. In either event, it is unpatriotic not to tell the truth, whether about the president or anyone else.
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« Reply #40 on: 20/04/2016 21:31:31 »
In a society of lies telling the truth is an act of treason.

It is an act of patriotism when you're defending your country for honor.

And we mustn't forget academic silence, the most despicable form of betrayal and intellectual cowardice imaginable. I would rather shoot myself than trade shoes with any of the people mentioned below.

Interesting RD (hope you're doing well)....

No matter how absurd the theory, as long as it's wrapped in conspiracy, the paranoid will accept it , as their brain is constantly in conspiracy-theory-mode [7], a manifestation of which is the phenomenon colloquially-known as crank magnetism.   

Surely there's a more suitable forum for tkadm30, e.g. Above Top Secret , you'll find kindred-spirits there , but not much logic.
 

....but it doesn't work. My simple easy to understand graphical analysis of WTC7 that definitively concludes intentionally placed energetic materials brought down the building has been sitting there empirically unassailed in any way shape or form (with over 50,000 views) for about a year and a half and to date none of you (Dr. Calverd, Bored chemist, Dr. Smith, Don_1, PmbPhy, CliffordK, JP, evan_au or any other members here) can seem to manage to even address it let alone break it or show any aspect or feature of it to be incorrect by simply copying and pasting even one of the many simple animations (formatting guided by Dr. Calverd) along with a bit of accompanying descriptive text that says anything like "This animation and accompanying descriptive text is incorrect, the scenario (target system) being compared to the control (source system) would not play out as depicted/described and here's why...." followed by any kind of simple cogently elucidated explanation of some perceived error or needed correction, nor have any of you provided any other more plausible empirically verifiable explanation for the buildings videographically documented destruction that supercedes it.... yet here you are, continuing (at least it appears to me) to personally attack people, make derisive remarks and post insulting links that include references to people being cranks, mental instability, paranoia, nutty conspiracy theorists etc.
 
The analysis (of WTC7) is either correct or it's not, it's just as simple as that. If no one can break it or show some aspect of it to be incorrect in the above described manner.... then it is in fact proponents of the official narrative like you that are actually exhibiting all the mental defects you are attributing to others here.... it is proponents of the official narrative who continue to irrationally argue against Isaac Newtons immutable Law of Conservation of Energy as applied to a falling body.... it is proponents of the official narrative who flatly refuse to recognize the veracity of a simple high school level graphical empirical analysis.... it is proponents of the official narrative who are in complete denial as to what really happened and who delusionally continue to refuse to accept reality.... and it is proponents of the official narrative who revoltingly continue to maliciously attack people with cowardly name calling and invented stigmatizing labels like "mentally unstable conspiracy theorist nut case" amidst the endless repetition of the same suspiciously formulaic unscientific nonsense mixed with insults over and over again without ever providing any empirically verifiable support for their point of view or any rationally structured objection to the empirically verifiable data cited by others in support of their views either.

That's the definition of mental instability my friend, and unless or until you or someone else meets me over there and clearly refutes some aspect of that analysis, it remains correct.... and as long as it remains correct, it is in fact proponents of the official narrative that are the nutty mentally unstable tin foil hat science denier cranks....


....so come on and bring it. I challenge any and all of you, come on and prove me to be an idiot.
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« Reply #41 on: 20/04/2016 22:29:50 »
In a society of lies telling the truth is an act of treason.

It is an act of patriotism when you're defending your country for honor.

It's all a matter of position, If it is ever proven as a fact that the CIA did carry out 9/11 I am sure they would argue, that carrying out the attacks and supressing people that tried to reveal them was a Patriotic act, as they did so for American power to be preserved and increased in the world and compared to some of the other rather horrific things the CIA has engaged in over the last 60 years; thats been the patriot way for a while. 


Quote from: Theodore Roosevelt
Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official, save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country. In either event, it is unpatriotic not to tell the truth, whether about the president or anyone else.


And yet you live in a society of deception, that's got soo bad now that only 6% of Americans actually trust the Media. If it's un-patriotic to lie, how many patroits actually sit in positions of power in America today?

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« Reply #42 on: 20/04/2016 22:53:02 »
In a society of lies telling the truth is an act of treason.

It is an act of patriotism when you're defending your country for honor.

And we mustn't forget academic silence, the most despicable form of betrayal and intellectual cowardice imaginable....


Well even Noam Chomsky is rather terrible in this regard I quote him "Even if it's true,(that 9/11 was an inside Job) Who cares, it's a distraction from the other issues happening in the world" No joke he said that. Who cares.


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« Reply #43 on: 22/04/2016 11:46:31 »
Well even Noam Chomsky is rather terrible in this regard I quote him "Even if it's true,(that 9/11 was an inside Job) Who cares, it's a distraction from the other issues happening in the world" No joke he said that. Who cares.

History cares. How 9/11 will be teached to your kids will make a difference. How 9/11 or the emergence of artificial terrorism affects our life and our ways of thinking is critical to common knowledge. The suppression of truth by popular propaganda is an evidence that the media industry is a proponent of the official narrative. 
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« Reply #44 on: 24/04/2016 01:26:10 »
Well even Noam Chomsky is rather terrible in this regard I quote him "Even if it's true,(that 9/11 was an inside Job) Who cares, it's a distraction from the other issues happening in the world" No joke he said that. Who cares.

History cares. How 9/11 will be teached to your kids will make a difference. How 9/11 or the emergence of artificial terrorism affects our life and our ways of thinking is critical to common knowledge. The suppression of truth by popular propaganda is an evidence that the media industry is a proponent of the official narrative. 

Does history care? History is a subject it doesnt really have feelings or emotions. Besides it's generally written by the winners, hence much of "history" isnt true. Even today in schools across America kids are taught that columbus found America, that isnt actually true the vicking were there long before, that the American civil war was about slavery again not true, hence the offical narrative about 9/11 will be taught to children also as things stand, and 9/11 truth will be a conspriacy theory out in the wings. 

While Chomsky says "Who cares, it's a distraction from other issues" one thing we can say is that; if 9/11 was carried out by the American security services, it was done, with an agenda, and that agenda(where not achieved) can only continue, while the false narrative does, and many of the current issues could relate to that agenda. If the truth about 9/11 shows it was an inside job, possibly the tackits steming from it would halt with it or change atleast. But the agenda would still be present. leaves the bigger question of what is that agenda? and why would those behind 9/11 if it was an inside job go to such extremes? If they have as a result of the attacks already achieved what they wanted, then it matters less if the truth comes out, save for the issues of trust and prestiege and ofcourse all the costs from citizens taking them to court and other legal issues that would come about: loss of international respect, but thats for America directly and any other nation involved, closer to home many in the security services, politics and other areas might find themselves out of work :*( or even worse actually in Prison(Imagine that).

The media has always been a proponent of the official narrative, that's the medias main function.
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« Reply #45 on: 24/04/2016 02:25:28 »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCMvmhWTivs  Artificial terrorism: FBI behind terrorist attacks www.youtube.com /watch?v=jCMvmhWTivs

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« Reply #46 on: 07/02/2017 22:12:46 »
"15 Years Later, Physics Journal Concludes: All 3 WTC Towers Collapsed Due to Controlled Demolition"
Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/physics-study-911-controlled-demolition/#eD5z0sA5RIYqmMRU.99

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  What the hell is wrong with you? Don't you know how to think clearly? All of those assertions have more than one interpretations. Claims made by others are always made with the impression that there is no other possible way to see it and that's how conspiracy theories stay alive. And there's never been one of you who'd even consider that it might just be possible. Also there's not one of you who would consider that the other person on the opposite argument isn't as intelligent as you are or can't put the pieces together as well as you have.

It's poor thinking skills that results in these conspiracy theories. I've seen it too many times to count. 
Let's hear you address reply #2.
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Reply 2 said "If a theory is wrong, it will fall by its own lack of merit.  Why don't you show us why it's wrong?"
You have not put forward a theory
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« Reply #48 on: 14/02/2017 22:02:24 »
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« Reply #49 on: 15/02/2017 20:05:51 »
Very cute- but remember- it doesn't have to melt- just go a bit weak at the knees.

Also, burning jet fuel has an adiabatic flame temperature of about 2100C
The melting point of steel is somewhere around 1500C
It's simply a lie to say that a jet fuel fire can't melt steel.
Given that it simply isn't true, why are people still going on about it.
Could it be that they don't have any real basis for their claims?
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