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Re: The US Government Planned and Carried Out the 9/11 Attacks
« Reply #20 on: 25/01/2016 15:26:13 »
Quote from: tkadm30 on 16/01/2016 16:28:01
I reject the mainstream theory that Al-Qaida is a independent terrorist organization as we can observe patterns in the method artificial terrorism occurs. This type of criminal activity must be supported by a network of supporters attempting to create a global war on terrorism - the new world order.


It's an unspoken truth that Al-Qaida was a group invented by the FBI, to try and gain a Mafia style prosicution of Bin laden. Apparently Al-Quida is what Arabs say to their childen when they want them to go to the toilet :)

Thee BBC documentary 'The power of nightmares' by Adam Curtist explores how Al-quida was invented and their capabilities exzagerated by Britian and America, for political gain amoung other things.

Enjoy :(  youtube-/watch?v=5fjzzgzZJns

 
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Re: The US Government Planned and Carried Out the 9/11 Attacks
« Reply #21 on: 02/02/2016 00:43:07 »
I believe 911 was a right wing U.S. group .. very small circle of friends like Timothy McVeigh.  The U.S. government simply used the event to blame the new 'satan' and invade and destroy and steal crude oil which is, after all, absolutely essential to survival of the U.S. nation's way of life.  That this all benefits Israel doesn't need saying, and may be fullfillment of prophecy.  However, I am not saying the U.S. is an avenging angel, all the mass murders in the U.S. and the plagues and pollutions and droughts etc. prove that God is not pleased with the U.S. .. the U.S. should have let Europe destroy Israel's enemies while concentrating on developing a trans-Americas social economic system.  This has happened too.  But anyway we look at things, we are in big trouble everyone on earth.
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Re: The US Government Planned and Carried Out the 9/11 Attacks
« Reply #22 on: 06/03/2016 11:41:37 »
Interesting RD (hope you're doing well)....

Quote from: RD on 16/01/2016 18:43:05
No matter how absurd the theory, as long as it's wrapped in conspiracy, the paranoid will accept it , as their brain is constantly in conspiracy-theory-mode [7], a manifestation of which is the phenomenon colloquially-known as crank magnetism.   

Surely there's a more suitable forum for tkadm30, e.g. Above Top Secret , you'll find kindred-spirits there , but not much logic.
 

....but it doesn't work. My simple easy to understand graphical analysis of WTC7 that definitively concludes intentionally placed energetic materials brought down the building has been sitting there empirically unassailed in any way shape or form (with over 50,000 views) for about a year and a half and to date none of you (Dr. Calverd, Bored chemist, Dr. Smith, Don_1, PmbPhy, CliffordK, JP, evan_au or any other members here) can seem to manage to even address it let alone break it or show any aspect or feature of it to be incorrect by simply copying and pasting even one of the many simple animations (formatting guided by Dr. Calverd) along with a bit of accompanying descriptive text that says anything like "This animation and accompanying descriptive text is incorrect, the scenario (target system) being compared to the control (source system) would not play out as depicted/described and here's why...." followed by any kind of simple cogently elucidated explanation of some perceived error or needed correction, nor have any of you provided any other more plausible empirically verifiable explanation for the buildings videographically documented destruction that supercedes it.... yet here you are, continuing (at least it appears to me) to personally attack people, make derisive remarks and post insulting links that include references to people being cranks, mental instability, paranoia, nutty conspiracy theorists etc.
 
The analysis (of WTC7) is either correct or it's not, it's just as simple as that. If no one can break it or show some aspect of it to be incorrect in the above described manner.... then it is in fact proponents of the official narrative like you that are actually exhibiting all the mental defects you are attributing to others here.... it is proponents of the official narrative who continue to irrationally argue against Isaac Newtons immutable Law of Conservation of Energy as applied to a falling body.... it is proponents of the official narrative who flatly refuse to recognize the veracity of a simple high school level graphical empirical analysis.... it is proponents of the official narrative who are in complete denial as to what really happened and who delusionally continue to refuse to accept reality.... and it is proponents of the official narrative who revoltingly continue to maliciously attack people with cowardly name calling and invented stigmatizing labels like "mentally unstable conspiracy theorist nut case" amidst the endless repetition of the same suspiciously formulaic unscientific nonsense mixed with insults over and over again without ever providing any empirically verifiable support for their point of view or any rationally structured objection to the empirically verifiable data cited by others in support of their views either.

That's the definition of mental instability my friend, and unless or until you or someone else meets me over there and clearly refutes some aspect of that analysis, it remains correct.... and as long as it remains correct, it is in fact proponents of the official narrative that are the nutty mentally unstable tin foil hat science denier cranks....

WTC7 - ANALYSIS AND CONCLUSION
A complete Prima Facie Empirically Verifiable Scientific Method Driven Graphical Target System Analysis and Conclusion arrived at by Process of Elimination

....so come on and bring it. I challenge any and all of you, come on and prove me to be an idiot. 
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Re: The US Government Planned and Carried Out the 9/11 Attacks
« Reply #23 on: 08/03/2016 20:51:14 »
Still waiting RD.... What's the problem?
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Re: The US Government Planned and Carried Out the 9/11 Attacks
« Reply #24 on: 09/03/2016 02:18:08 »
RD (unsurprisingly) seems to be having a bit of trouble providing any empirical support for his point of view.... Dr. Calverd?
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Re: The US Government Planned and Carried Out the 9/11 Attacks
« Reply #25 on: 10/03/2016 00:45:55 »
Interesting interview all about the chemisty of 9/11

 

.youtube.com/watch?v=XF334x-xWz8 Dr. Niels Harrit interview with Braindead BBC Reporter

Ponders Niels Harrits motives he clearly has one, every crime does :)

It's a crime against journalism
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Re: The US Government Planned and Carried Out the 9/11 Attacks
« Reply #26 on: 12/03/2016 04:05:15 »
Quote from: Jolly on 10/03/2016 00:45:55
Interesting interview all about the chemisty of 9/11...

Don't know about all that really but, as I've learned here, just as with some physicists, some chemists, like Dr. Frank Legge PhD for example, are a little smarter than others....


http://scienceof911.com.au/#comment-83088

Anyway I tried to ask Mr. Harrit about the issue of gravitational acceleration on his blog but my posts were quietly removed without any response. Doesn't have any impact on the analysis though so.... Who cares? The prima facie analysis continues to stand empirically unassailed in any way....

WTC7 - ANALYSIS AND CONCLUSION
A complete Prima Facie Empirically Verifiable Scientific Method Driven Graphical Target System Analysis and Conclusion arrived at by Process of Elimination

....and for as long as it continues to stand empirically unassailed it is considered to be correct, and for as long as it continues to be considered correct it will remain empirically established fact, and for as long as it remains empirically established fact it will continue to be true that the building was brought down by intentionally placed energetic materials.

That's the scientific method. 
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Re: The US Government Planned and Carried Out the 9/11 Attacks
« Reply #27 on: 12/03/2016 17:49:51 »
The towers of the world trade center collapsed because molten aluminium, being explosive, caused the upper support structure to fail. It is simple physics. However, shame on me for spoiling all that fun you are having.
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Re: The US Government Planned and Carried Out the 9/11 Attacks
« Reply #28 on: 13/03/2016 10:30:14 »
None of this....

Quote from: jeffreyH on 12/03/2016 17:49:51
The towers of the world trade center collapsed because molten aluminium, being explosive, caused the upper support structure to fail. It is simple physics. However, shame on me for spoiling all that fun you are having.

....changed any of this....

Quote from: Aemilius on 12/03/2016 04:05:15
The prima facie analysis continues to stand empirically unassailed in any way....

WTC7 - ANALYSIS AND CONCLUSION
A complete Prima Facie Empirically Verifiable Scientific Method Driven Graphical Target System Analysis and Conclusion arrived at by Process of Elimination

....and for as long as it continues to stand empirically unassailed it is considered to be correct, and for as long as it continues to be considered correct it will remain empirically established fact, and for as long as it remains empirically established fact it will continue to be true that the building was brought down by intentionally placed energetic materials.

Since no aircraft struck WTC7 molten aluminum can't be used to explain its destruction. So really, the only thing you've spoiled here is the chance of anyone taking your remarks on that issue seriously.
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Re: Did the US Government plan and carry out the 9/11 attacks?
« Reply #29 on: 13/03/2016 20:22:24 »
http://akashictimes.co.uk/david-cameron-unveils-plans-to-ban-free-speech-and-protest/

David Cameron is now set to terrorise people that believe 9/11 was an inside job.

To quote:- "Well, according to David Cameron, the law will target “non-violent conspiracy theorists” who he claims are just as dangerous as the ISIS terrorists and must therefore, be eradicated.

He referenced 9/11 and 7/7 Truthers as examples of the type of extremism that must be dealt in a similar fashion to ISIS.

Such individuals are deemed to be a threat to “the functioning of democracy.”

Furthermore, the Home Office claimed that the government’s “counter-extremism” strategy would encompass “the full spectrum of extremism”.

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Re: Did the US Government plan and carry out the 9/11 attacks?
« Reply #30 on: 13/03/2016 20:28:23 »
Quote from: Jolly on 13/03/2016 20:22:24
http://akashictimes.co.uk/david-cameron-unveils-plans-to-ban-free-speech-and-protest/

David Cameron is now set to terrorise people that believe 9/11 was an inside job.

To quote:- "Well, according to David Cameron, the law will target “non-violent conspiracy theorists” who he claims are just as dangerous as the ISIS terrorists and must therefore, be eradicated.

He referenced 9/11 and 7/7 Truthers as examples of the type of extremism that must be dealt in a similar fashion to ISIS.

Such individuals are deemed to be a threat to “the functioning of democracy.”

Furthermore, the Home Office claimed that the government’s “counter-extremism” strategy would encompass “the full spectrum of extremism”.



I'll just say that's interesting considering that some claim, the Free-masons actually were responsible for the attacks, I mean they have members in most areas of government and security serivces including the airforce CIA FBI and elected governmment, and David Cameron himself is a Freemason.

CULTS are a bigger threat to democracy then conspiacy theorists. But then America isnt a democracy and neither is Britian. 

And what you should know and understand is that the government is simply adding in laws to make legal the criminal things the security services already do illegal. The security services have been persicuting 9/11 truthers since the event happened. 

For there is evidence that 9/11 was clearly not simply carried out by a group of hyjackers(and therefore doubting the offical story is more resonable then crazy), this heavy handed responce, does suggest that whoever is really responsible for 9/11 is getting uncomfortable, and even more desperate. Last reports from america suggest 48% of newyorkers do not believe the offical story of 911 what the stats are for Britian are hard to say, but this law will simply stop many admitting to what they believe to be the case. Still this new law could result in the legal persicution of a huge swave of the British population- they clearly seek to scare people. Cowards hide, adults get squahed.   Are we going to be intimidated?
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Re: Did the US Government plan and carry out the 9/11 attacks?
« Reply #31 on: 14/03/2016 15:47:35 »
Quote from: jeffreyH on 12/03/2016 17:49:51
The towers of the world trade center collapsed because molten aluminium, being explosive, caused the upper support structure to fail. It is simple physics. However, shame on me for spoiling all that fun you are having.

IS THAT? Magic metal theory? OMG! How stupid, how could I have been soo foolish. I recant I take back everything I have ever said about 9/11 being an inside job, magic metal theory, why was I soo blind? what an idiot, and I will say this retraction has nothing to do with Cameron wanting to eliminate people that believe 9/11 was a government conspiracy, nothing at all, really nothing, maybe in the light of magic metal theory and the fact that as I am getting older, I am growing ever more conservative, and seem to like existing and Fellatio.

Hey jeffrey do you, like me also believe in the Magic bullet theory? 
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« Reply #32 on: 14/03/2016 16:10:54 »
So as best I understand it, with 'Magic metal theory' what happened is that they brought the steal metal frame pieaces of the world trade center to New york by ship, which passed through the bemusda triangle, and apparently this changed the metal as is fluxed in and out of 7 different dimensions of spacetime. This left the steal frame of the world trade center in a state of consistent interdimenional flux, shockingly and knowing this they built it anyway. It's unbelieveable.

Clearly when the aeroplanes hit the buildings they trigged a reaction in the space time demensional flux system, probably made worse because at least one of the planes had also been through the bemusda Triangle, this apparently caused the whole steal frame to, to disect and split itself into thread parts each sitting in a different demension of space time thus weakening and thining the frame in this demensional space time. Thus the heavily reduced frame could still sustain the mass weight but heat of a nano thermite chain reaction caused colapsed.

Wow. Where is Molder when you need him?  Or better ASk the CIA direct, I garentee they'll find the documents that prove interdimentalist space time distortion.
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Re: The US Government Planned and Carried Out the 9/11 Attacks
« Reply #37 on: 19/04/2016 04:15:08 »
Quote from: Aemilius on 06/03/2016 11:41:37
Interesting RD (hope you're doing well)....

Quote from: RD on 16/01/2016 18:43:05
No matter how absurd the theory, as long as it's wrapped in conspiracy, the paranoid will accept it , as their brain is constantly in conspiracy-theory-mode [7], a manifestation of which is the phenomenon colloquially-known as crank magnetism.   

Surely there's a more suitable forum for tkadm30, e.g. Above Top Secret , you'll find kindred-spirits there , but not much logic.
 

....but it doesn't work. My simple easy to understand graphical analysis of WTC7 that definitively concludes intentionally placed energetic materials brought down the building has been sitting there empirically unassailed in any way shape or form (with over 50,000 views) for about a year and a half and to date none of you (Dr. Calverd, Bored chemist, Dr. Smith, Don_1, PmbPhy, CliffordK, JP, evan_au or any other members here) can seem to manage to even address it let alone break it or show any aspect or feature of it to be incorrect by simply copying and pasting even one of the many simple animations (formatting guided by Dr. Calverd) along with a bit of accompanying descriptive text that says anything like "This animation and accompanying descriptive text is incorrect, the scenario (target system) being compared to the control (source system) would not play out as depicted/described and here's why...." followed by any kind of simple cogently elucidated explanation of some perceived error or needed correction, nor have any of you provided any other more plausible empirically verifiable explanation for the buildings videographically documented destruction that supercedes it.... yet here you are, continuing (at least it appears to me) to personally attack people, make derisive remarks and post insulting links that include references to people being cranks, mental instability, paranoia, nutty conspiracy theorists etc.
 
The analysis (of WTC7) is either correct or it's not, it's just as simple as that. If no one can break it or show some aspect of it to be incorrect in the above described manner.... then it is in fact proponents of the official narrative like you that are actually exhibiting all the mental defects you are attributing to others here.... it is proponents of the official narrative who continue to irrationally argue against Isaac Newtons immutable Law of Conservation of Energy as applied to a falling body.... it is proponents of the official narrative who flatly refuse to recognize the veracity of a simple high school level graphical empirical analysis.... it is proponents of the official narrative who are in complete denial as to what really happened and who delusionally continue to refuse to accept reality.... and it is proponents of the official narrative who revoltingly continue to maliciously attack people with cowardly name calling and invented stigmatizing labels like "mentally unstable conspiracy theorist nut case" amidst the endless repetition of the same suspiciously formulaic unscientific nonsense mixed with insults over and over again without ever providing any empirically verifiable support for their point of view or any rationally structured objection to the empirically verifiable data cited by others in support of their views either.

That's the definition of mental instability my friend, and unless or until you or someone else meets me over there and clearly refutes some aspect of that analysis, it remains correct.... and as long as it remains correct, it is in fact proponents of the official narrative that are the nutty mentally unstable tin foil hat science denier cranks....

WTC7 - ANALYSIS AND CONCLUSION
A complete Prima Facie Empirically Verifiable Scientific Method Driven Graphical Target System Analysis and Conclusion arrived at by Process of Elimination

....so come on and bring it. I challenge any and all of you, come on and prove me to be an idiot.

Pssst, hey Drifty.... You hear that sound? It's TheNakedSilence!
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Re: Did the US Government plan and carry out the 9/11 attacks?
« Reply #38 on: 19/04/2016 21:39:08 »
Quote from: Aemilius on 19/04/2016 04:15:08
Quote from: Aemilius on 06/03/2016 11:41:37
Interesting RD (hope you're doing well)....

Quote from: RD on 16/01/2016 18:43:05
No matter how absurd the theory, as long as it's wrapped in conspiracy, the paranoid will accept it , as their brain is constantly in conspiracy-theory-mode [7], a manifestation of which is the phenomenon colloquially-known as crank magnetism.   

Surely there's a more suitable forum for tkadm30, e.g. Above Top Secret , you'll find kindred-spirits there , but not much logic.
 

....but it doesn't work. My simple easy to understand graphical analysis of WTC7 that definitively concludes intentionally placed energetic materials brought down the building has been sitting there empirically unassailed in any way shape or form (with over 50,000 views) for about a year and a half and to date none of you (Dr. Calverd, Bored chemist, Dr. Smith, Don_1, PmbPhy, CliffordK, JP, evan_au or any other members here) can seem to manage to even address it let alone break it or show any aspect or feature of it to be incorrect by simply copying and pasting even one of the many simple animations (formatting guided by Dr. Calverd) along with a bit of accompanying descriptive text that says anything like "This animation and accompanying descriptive text is incorrect, the scenario (target system) being compared to the control (source system) would not play out as depicted/described and here's why...." followed by any kind of simple cogently elucidated explanation of some perceived error or needed correction, nor have any of you provided any other more plausible empirically verifiable explanation for the buildings videographically documented destruction that supercedes it.... yet here you are, continuing (at least it appears to me) to personally attack people, make derisive remarks and post insulting links that include references to people being cranks, mental instability, paranoia, nutty conspiracy theorists etc.
 
The analysis (of WTC7) is either correct or it's not, it's just as simple as that. If no one can break it or show some aspect of it to be incorrect in the above described manner.... then it is in fact proponents of the official narrative like you that are actually exhibiting all the mental defects you are attributing to others here.... it is proponents of the official narrative who continue to irrationally argue against Isaac Newtons immutable Law of Conservation of Energy as applied to a falling body.... it is proponents of the official narrative who flatly refuse to recognize the veracity of a simple high school level graphical empirical analysis.... it is proponents of the official narrative who are in complete denial as to what really happened and who delusionally continue to refuse to accept reality.... and it is proponents of the official narrative who revoltingly continue to maliciously attack people with cowardly name calling and invented stigmatizing labels like "mentally unstable conspiracy theorist nut case" amidst the endless repetition of the same suspiciously formulaic unscientific nonsense mixed with insults over and over again without ever providing any empirically verifiable support for their point of view or any rationally structured objection to the empirically verifiable data cited by others in support of their views either.

That's the definition of mental instability my friend, and unless or until you or someone else meets me over there and clearly refutes some aspect of that analysis, it remains correct.... and as long as it remains correct, it is in fact proponents of the official narrative that are the nutty mentally unstable tin foil hat science denier cranks....

WTC7 - ANALYSIS AND CONCLUSION
A complete Prima Facie Empirically Verifiable Scientific Method Driven Graphical Target System Analysis and Conclusion arrived at by Process of Elimination

....so come on and bring it. I challenge any and all of you, come on and prove me to be an idiot.

Pssst, hey Drifty.... You hear that sound? It's TheNakedSilence!

In a society of lies telling the truth is an act of treason.

Luckily science has been generally and historically the search for wealth, fame and prestige. Going against the grain isnt healthy in this regard. And for some it will not matter how much proff or evidence you have, the offical line must be toed. 

Imagine you're the president and evidence came to your desk proving 9/11 has CIA involvement amoung other agencies in America, the offical story of the events were all lies and the whole war on terror was part of an agenda to increase American power in the world, all the horrors that have since happened are made even more horrific as all the tortures camps, imprisionment of innocent people, drone attacks, millions dead after the invasions of Iraq and Afganistan, were all simply part of an agenda. What would the world say about a country and it's leaders, if that's the kind of people they really are? What would you do?

 
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Re: Did the US Government plan and carry out the 9/11 attacks?
« Reply #39 on: 19/04/2016 22:19:44 »
Quote from: Jolly on 19/04/2016 21:39:08
In a society of lies telling the truth is an act of treason.

It is an act of patriotism when you're defending your country for honor.

Quote from: Theodore Roosevelt
Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official, save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country. In either event, it is unpatriotic not to tell the truth, whether about the president or anyone else.
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