Is life in this Universe a one-off occurrence?

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Is life in this Universe a one-off occurrence?
« on: 10/03/2015 20:51:10 »
Please offer any scientifically accepted, or even plausible, concepts that may addresses this very realistic scenario:

Axiom is a proposition that is assumed without proof for the sake of studying the consequences that follows from it.

Axiom: Life in this universe is not a one-off occurrence.

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Earth is gone. Complements of some natural occurrence, you name it, perhaps a rouge primordial black hole that happens to be passing through our solar system which then sends the earth into direct collision with Jupiter. Or perhaps there is a giga-solar flare which perturbs earth’s orbit sending it careening into the sun. Result? All that you and I and your pet salamander were, every cell and every DNA molecule, every atom that was on or in the earth is now ionized nuclear fuel within the sun. The Darwinian evolved chemistry and biology that many fall back upon to describe life, particularly human life, on earth has ceased to exist in this solar system along with its thermodynamically described, Gibbs-free energy processes once used to represent the entirety of earth life.

Additionally, imagine if you will that there is life elsewhere in this universe. Let us imagine there exists at least one other evolved ecosystem (ECO-2) capable of hosting Darwinian life. Different from earth but governed by the same laws of physics and biology and thermodynamic processes that manifested earth’s ecology. This planet orbiting a viable star may be located anywhere in this universe since the laws of physics are expected to be consistently applied throughout. Also for this anecdote let us say that this other bastion of life is some 10 billion light years from earth’s sun. A distance so vast it would take much longer than the age of the big-bang to relativistically travel that distance, assuming of course there were any classically defined remnants of one’s biology left to make the journey.

Like earth ECO-2 has been around for awhile and hosts its own set of Darwinian evolved biological forms likely different from anything that existed on earth. Also, for the comfort of some, let us assume one other unessential embellishment; let us say that ECO-2 also hosts intelligent forms of life (Yes with personalities). Different from human beings but similar to us in that they are sentient, self aware, intelligent, and have a handle on science and technology as did we. On second thought let us not assume intelligent life. There is only wild life in ECO-2. :0)

Regardless, the question becomes; could you or I or any individual formerly hosted by earths ecology ever find oneself a part of ECO-2’s ecology? Is the nature of life in this universe such that one could find oneself naturally born to ECO-2 in the form of a species indigenous (present or future) to ECO-2 just as we were born on earth to species indigenous to earth’s ecology? If one adheres to the classically understood, Gibbs-free energy etc. thermodynamically describable, relativistically constrained mechanisms to explain life writ large then you are forced to say no, (please correct me if not so), and in so doing you would necessarily ignore most of nature. Because in that view, clearly some aspect of what biologically, thermodynamically, chemically, defined ones singular existence must relativistically travel to bridge the unbridgeable distance between your last physical location, earth’s solar system, and ECO-2’s.



 
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Re: Is life in this Universe a one-off occurrence?
« Reply #1 on: 31/03/2015 13:57:31 »
The following is one plausible hypothesis for a natural mechanism that likely describes the way life populates this universe with living individuals; "The Instantiation Of Life By Natural Entanglement"

This topic presents, perhaps for the first time, a practical implementation for the natural processes that govern the instantiation of the individual as a being distinct from the evolution of that beings current species. It will introduce you to;

• Instantiation of the individual: The establishment of your Life.
• Your Position-Of-View (POV): That component of your being which resides in this universe.
• The Metaverse: The only real verse, and that from which the universe emerges.
• Your LifeID: That component of your being which resides outside of this universe, in the metaverse.
• The Quantum Entanglement Spectrum (QE): The Life Spectrum.
• Your Quantum Entanglement Frequency (QEF): The real and only immutable, you.
• The Cell: A biological QE circuit, the critical component in instantiating all life as we know it.
• The Entanglement Cells; Cells responsible for heterodyning the QEF in complex hosts and establishing the LifeID.
• Metamatter: An undiscovered but very real form of matter critical in instantiating and in the evolution of all life. Think dark matter without gravity.
• Entanglement Molecules; Molecules in every living cell which establish the QE connection with metamatter to create all life.


The hypothesis in summary: The most fundamental element of life is a molecule called, if you will, the Entanglement Molecule (EM). This molecule has the unique property of naturally establishing a quantum entanglement connection to a form of matter called metamatter, life-matter if you will. Think dark matter but expressing quantum entanglement (the life-force) in place of the force of gravitation. Metamatter like other natural entities exists outside of our space-time and is not subject to locality or relativistic constraints. Together these entanglement molecules and metamatter are the two endpoints of each isolated, naturally occurring quantum entanglement connection contained within every living cell that has ever existed. An entanglement molecule once arranged from its constituent atoms, not unlike the ferrite magnet in a transistor radio, is instantly sensitive to available, uninstantiated quantum entanglement frequencies (QEF) upon which to entangle available metamatter.


Such isolated pairings existed on Earth for eons, and in this universe, for even longer before the naturally occurring circumstances arose on Earth and perhaps elsewhere, to provide a ring of molecules that could be described as an early cell wall. Not all entanglement molecules were likely to encounter a cell wall but those that did, enclosed by this barrier, obtained the benefit of an extra level of protection that allowed them to develop beyond the typical. This basic entanglement relationship is the most fundamental manifestation of life. It establishes the position-of-view (POV to be discussed in this volume). Over time other types of molecules joined with these proto-cells sometimes to their mutual benefit sometimes not. Those that added no benefit or diminished the proto-cells survival prospects would not survive. The entanglement connection gave surviving proto-cells something very special. It gave the otherwise inanimate molecular components on the inside of this early cell a form of intra-cellular communication. That is, the ability to interact at a distance, but more critically at that point, the quantum entanglement connection gave the proto-cell the capacity to share or imprint internal cellular state information into its entangled metamatter. Metamatter because of its extra dimensional, non-locality and non-relativistic nature acts as a kind of cloud-storage accessible instantaneously from any location in this universe and in any other as well.


This universal cloud storage is the critical factor required to get evolution started and is what makes being possible anywhere in this universe. At that point evolution existed only via random environmental contact or interactions between proto-cells and other structures in the primordial environment of early Earth. Thus, the cell became nature’s biological entanglement circuit. Each such entanglement pairing constitutes an instantiation of life whether on Earth, in this universe, or anywhere in existence. Life could now be hosted by any viable formation of cell(s) that may emerge anywhere in existence. Ones instantiation is established at one specific quantum entanglement frequency (QEF), a narrow frequency band in the infinity of possibilities on the quantum entanglement spectrum. A quantum entanglement frequency that is unique in all existence to each life and to no other, but only while that QE connection persists. This yet to be determined property, perhaps frequency, on the quantum entanglement spectrum is the singular property in nature that defines each individual being. All other components of the instantiation process may change or be exchanged but it is the QEF that positions you as the central and only target of your instantiation, of your life, and not someone else’s. Change or retune ones QEF enough and you change the being, the individual. You are your quantum entanglement frequency. You are not your cells or your metamatter.


It is very likely that the QE spectrum predated even the big bang. Your QEF is the immutable, the indestructible you. When cells on any given planet around any given star anywhere in existence entangles metamatter at your QEF that is where you will instantiate. That is where you will be, a place like that is where you are right now. A place like that is where you are likely to have been many times before your current instantiation. Places like that are where you will inevitably reinstantiate many more times in your future. This is instantiation, this is life. You and I, and your pet otter, every insect, every cell and every organization of cells all life anywhere in existence instantiates by this mechanism. While each cell entangles at a unique QEF a few specialized cells in complex organisms called entanglement cells (EC) are able to heterodyne or combine their QEF to establish and entangle at a different unique QEF thus instantiating the emerged individual, you.


The composite quantum entanglement frequency together with the metamatter it entangles is called the lifeID. No memories or behavior of the host body is carried or transferred by the lifeID. In nature such properties are electromagnetic manifestations of the host species or vessel only. The closest cultural meme to the lifeID come via religions throughout human history having referred to this, using one word or another, as the soul. Once any quantum entanglement connection is terminated, by sufficiently disrupting the cellular component (inducing death of the host vessel), the previously entangled metamatter becomes available for entanglement by other cells. However this particular metamatter has been imprinted to some extent by its previous entanglement. Each generation of entanglement, each instantiation, each life, imprints information, from both the cell and QEF, to its entangled metamatter. The degree of this imprinting is yet to be determined. This time dependant, perishable imprinting of cellular state in metamatter becomes available to future cells that entangle this metamatter while simultaneously limiting its entanglement opportunities to cells of matching state. The passage of time decays the imprint left on metamatter causing a return to a state best described as stem-metamatter (to be discussed later in this volume). This transfer of cellular state information may impact cellular behavior and/or development and to the extent that this imprinted information manifests an advantage for the cell, may provide a survival benefit. This is the evolutionary mechanism used by early life that predated the development of the DNA/RNA molecules. With QE communication the proto-cell became the laboratory of evolutionary innovation we see today from which emerged a great many useful cellular structures and processes, but most pivotally, a clear benefit to augment the cloud storage mechanism of metamatter with a more local, more expandable and flexible information storage mechanism which became RNA and eventually DNA. This was the birth of the modern living cell. Much is yet to be learned but the implications of this process are vast and pervasive.


Implications of the hypothesis; The degree to which metamatter imprints on its host cell and unique QEF will determine after deinstantiation (death) the likelihood that your imprinted metamatter will, for a time, reject entanglement opportunities from dissimilar host cells (of even your same or similar species) in favor of entanglement with cells that contain your familial DNA which are more compatible with its imprinting, thereby increasing the probability of reinstantiating you in your former family line or if less finely imprinted, to any random line in your previous species, or if less finely tuned still, to another species entirely. Also when we discover the entanglement molecule in nature and in the cell, just as we eventually discovered the DNA molecule in the cell decades after Darwin presented his theory of evolution by natural selection, likewise this may allow us to develop technologies capable of detecting and tracking each individuals unique QEF in this life or across multiple instantiations. This alone will change the world, at the very least it will change the way we write our wills. As for practical implementations, discovering and using metamatter could change everything. Metamatter satellites would be very different yet similar to regular orbital satellites even though they will reside outside of our space-time they'll permit instantaneous communication with any point in the cosmos. This will forever alter the human relationship not just to each other, but to all living creatures biological or otherwise. Also for the first time in human history we could begin to take practical actions in life that would affect our reinstantiation prospects into our next life, thereby tailoring your next instantiation ahead of time, minus the mysticism and ideology.

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Re: Is life in this Universe a one-off occurrence?
« Reply #2 on: 01/04/2015 19:20:34 »
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could you or I or any individual formerly hosted by earths ecology ever find oneself a part of ECO-2’s ecology? Is the nature of life in this universe such that one could find oneself naturally born to ECO-2 in the form of a species indigenous (present or future) to ECO-2 just as we were born on earth to species indigenous to earth’s ecology?

It all depends on what you mean by the question!

If you mean "could I be born or wake up spontaneously on another planet and know that I was once on earth" the answer is probably not, since we have very little evidence if any of the survival of memory after death. There are a few moderately strong anecdotes of reincarnation but always in another human body, and AFAIK all from within a culture that holds reincarnation as axiomatic anyway.

If you are talking more generally to include the possibility of an entirely alien species having analogous senses and intellectual properties to ourselves, the answer is almost certainly yes.

Before delving into your later hypotheses, you might care to define "life" for the purpose of this argument. As far as I can see, in terms of the cosmos a selfreplicating molecule is a pretty trivial bit of chemistry that could occur anywhere that water exists as a liquid (it's the hydrogen bond that does it!), and no new hypotheses are required.
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Re: Is life in this Universe a one-off occurrence?
« Reply #3 on: 03/04/2015 13:54:15 »
Thanks for the inquiry…

The association of ones being with ones form is a powerful and deeply ingrained aspect of our identity that will pose the greatest barrier to human understanding of the true nature of our circumstances. Also, nature does not cater to human sensibilities. We may count on the fact that natures implementation of life in this universe is a process based on natural laws of cause and effect. Therefore, a steely objectivity on our part is required to discover the reality of it.

As I stated: “...naturally born to ECO-2 in the form of a species indigenous (present or future) to ECO-2 just as we were born on earth to species indigenous to earth’s ecology...”

We were not born here on Earth with neural memories of activities that may have occurred before life on earth, likewise on ECO-2. In fact, for you or I, Earth may be ECO-2, or for all we know eco-ten million.

Evolution and biology has always described life without having to define life. However, the instantiation hypothesis uniquely suggests that life is in fact individuality. We confuse biology, as we know it, with the individual as we currently have no examples to the contrary (i.e. a non-biological individual). In nature each individual life is one current instance of some uniquely quantifiable property of nature. Whatever natural mechanism locates and instantiates the individual operates similarly upon all life throughout this universe. Therefore in nature every cell is as alive as any otter, mosquito, human, or sperm whale. After all, the living cell is in fact the only life on Earth. By this definition emergent properties of the host such as neural memories, and personality, and behavior, consciousness, intelligence etc., are in nature all irrelevant to lifes’ implementation and also irrelevant to individuality and being.

In nature individuality and life in any form is the establishment within this universe of a position-of-view (POV). The POV is an instance of the individual. The POV determines ones physical placement in this space-time. You are currently instantiated to your host (body) which happens to be on this planet but could obviously be in any other viable ecosystem in this universe. Instantiation is a natural mechanism that can eventually be measured and quantified. Ones POV is a unique singleton solution of state via the natural quantum entanglement established between two entities; the predicted naturally occurring entanglement molecule (EM) within every viable host (i.e. the living cell) with metamatter, a yet to be discovered form of non-relativistic matter which must exist in Hilbert-space. Metamatter is as necessary to life as dark-matter is to galaxy formation.

Metamatter is entangled to every living cell at a unique value of some property (i.e. frequency) of the entanglement spectrum (QEF). This QE tuning, if you will, is what implements each being in this universe or perhaps in any other. Your composite QEF, heterodyned by your entanglement cells, is the immutable you, a natural phenomena which likely predated even the big bang. You are not your body you are your quantum entanglement frequency. Any viable host anywhere, evolved or otherwise, that naturally entangles metamatter at your QEF will establish your position-of-view, your presence, your target if you will. That individual will be you every bit as you are you at this moment, sensory capabilities or lack thereof notwithstanding.

Why is this necessary? As outlined in the main post, no classical, Higgs constrained biological implementation or chemistry or thermodynamic process could account for the mobility of individuality (you) throughout this vast universe. Many therefore default to the idea that there is no natural mobility of the individual; ergo individuality is a one-off phenomenon. This is a scientifically and logically inconsistent position. Humankinds’ current confusion of individuality (being) with form (species) has led us to confuse the biology and chemistry of our form with our individuality. Individuality is our placement in space-time. The mechanism outlined in the instantiation hypothesis describes a species independent, form agnostic (i.e. biological vs. non-biological) scientifically plausible mechanism able to describe each instance of individuality, its reinstantiation and its placement within this space-time. This naturally implemented mechanism describes not only multi-cellular instantiation but necessarily that of every cell on this planet composing any multi-cellular host and also any non-biological form of life that we may encounter.     

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Re: Is life in this Universe a one-off occurrence?
« Reply #4 on: 03/04/2015 15:01:33 »

Why is this necessary? As outlined in the main post, no classical, Higgs constrained biological implementation or chemistry or thermodynamic process could account for the mobility of individuality (you) throughout this vast universe.


On the contrary. You haven't proved or demonstrated the existence of "mobility of individuality" at any level, let alone throughout the universe. Science begins with an observation;  philosophy, politics and religion begin with an assertion, which is why they are demeaning to the intellect and unworthy of discussion in this forum.

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.....individuality is a one-off phenomenon. This is a scientifically and logically inconsistent position.

No, it's a tautology!

As for the population of the universe with living things, it appears to be a rare but entirely inevitable consequence of carbon chemistry, and potentially other chemical processes such as selfreplicating silicone chains. Ther doesn't appear to be a need for any undiscovered forces or unknown properties.
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Re: Is life in this Universe a one-off occurrence?
« Reply #5 on: 03/04/2015 23:46:29 »
Axiom: A proposition that is assumed without proof for the sake of studying the consequences that follows from it.

The instantiation of life hypothesis is a plausible hypothesis for the axiom; Individuality exists and it is naturally mobile in this universe.

I don’t believe that proof of individuality needs to be presented since two individuals are at this moment having this conversation. Unless you are actually a rather convincing computer program, in which case there maybe only one individual having this conversation. Also, given the current state of scientific understanding the only exhibit of evidence for individuality that can be offered to you, is you. So it falls upon each of us to decide if oneself is an individual or not. Further, each instance of life, to any other instance of life, is only an extrapolation or an assumption of individuality currently based upon appearance and behavior. The affirmation of ones own individuality, at least for most reasonable minded individuals can be accounted for. If we agree to the axiom that you and perhaps I as well as every other discernibly living entity is an individual instance of life then this conversation as challenging as it may be toward strongly held beliefs or ideologies, may proceed.

Not everyone can entertain a new, and different and rather invasive existential concept when it is first introduced. In 1859 not many could give the idea of evolution by natural selection, for example, a fair thought particularly not in public. However in 2015, I would like to think we have progressed a bit since then. I will proceed on the assumption that we have. I realize the concept of instantiation of life sounds very familiar, as it should. The historical nature of human understanding has never emerged from a lack of intellect but from a deficit of information. So it should come as no great surprise if our ancestor’s beliefs may not have been completely wrong and science today may not be completely right. Scientific information has never been handed down to us from some superior source, it is and always has been people willing to reinterpret “evidence” many had seen before but seen much differently.

The justification for due consideration of the mobility of individuality is clear. Either one assumes there is no such thing as individuality, one may then elect to opt out of this thread. Or one assumes that you, and possibly all apparently living entities are individualized instances of life, but whose first-person existence is defined exclusively by ones classically described biology and will therefore empirically cease to exist for eternity, both prior and future, along with that form. This perspective violates many fundamental scientific and logical principles.  Or you are at least open to consider the possibility that nature is sufficiently deep, varied and functional to not only originate instances of individual beings in any viable form but also allows for the placement and reinstantiation of any individual in space-time in a form and species agnostic implementation of natural law. Of course each of these perspectives are as much an unsubstantiated view as is the other. If one doesn't see that then you may be hopelessly religious or ideological.  Nonetheless, as persons of science the possibility that some or any of what the instantiation hypothesis suggests must be on some level tantalizing.

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Re: Is life in this Universe a one-off occurrence?
« Reply #6 on: 04/04/2015 08:14:23 »
Surely individuality and universality are antonymous?

You have proposed several axioms from which you have derived a consequence that you can't substantiate with evidence, and indeed seems selfcontradictory. That's religion, not science.
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Re: Is life in this Universe a one-off occurrence?
« Reply #7 on: 05/04/2015 23:27:25 »
Tony, this should be in New Theories. Much of it seems to be a re posting of an earlier post of yours.
You do not seem to be inviting comments on the title question!

Please offer any scientifically accepted, or even plausible, concepts that may addresses this very realistic scenario:
That would be difficult as the scenarios and conclusions do not have a clear scientific basis and contain logical inconsistencies.

Axiom is a proposition that is assumed without proof for the sake of studying the consequences that follows from it.

Axiom: Life in this universe is not a one-off occurrence.

The scenario and conclusion you offer are not consequential on your axiom.

If one adheres to the classically understood, Gibbs-free energy etc. thermodynamically describable, relativistically constrained mechanisms to explain life writ large then you are forced to say no, (please correct me if not so), and in so doing you would necessarily ignore most of nature.
This makes assumptions about the beliefs of the reader and contains illogical conclusions

Because in that view, clearly some aspect of what biologically, thermodynamically, chemically, defined ones singular existence must relativistically travel to bridge the unbridgeable distance between your last physical location, earth’s solar system, and ECO-2’s.
Your conclusion does not follow from any information you have presented. The statement "....must relativistically travel......" is illogical.

The following is one plausible hypothesis for a natural mechanism that likely describes the way life populates this universe with living individuals; "The Instantiation Of Life By Natural Entanglement"

This is not a plausible hypothesis based on evidence. You use terms which have specific meanings on a science forum, but your use of these terms does not provide a coherent argument.
You make a number of statements which you cannot justify eg the existence of a Metamatter, entanglement molecule, "Such isolated pairings existed on Earth for eons, and in this universe" These weaken, rather than strengthen, your proposition.

This is more appropriate to a religious or philosophical forum than a science one.

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Re: Is life in this Universe a one-off occurrence?
« Reply #8 on: 07/04/2015 17:04:17 »
This thread is based on a post that solicits ideas for a very real natural question that is not historically considered by science but which I suggest can, and should, and eventually must be. I have offered one scientifically plausible idea on this topic in the form of a hypothesis, and I clearly welcome all others. I expect that most ideas will take the form of a well considered hypothesis as well, or the form of some rational as to why the various proposed ideas may be implausible. Certainly some will feel the question itself shouldn't be addressed but that should be taken as one of many opinions. The scenario regarding the instantiation of the individual in this universe is clearly a realistic one and the implications only seem philosophical because most may have never before considered them from the viewpoint of a practical implementation of natural law. Akin to asking prior to 1859; how might species be implemented in nature? This is exactly what I am encouraging to be asked of the individual, you. Clearly if the various ideas were proven they would not be plausible hypothesis.

“This is not a plausible hypothesis based on evidence.”
The evidence that this tread speaks to is the possibility that each of the trillions of life forms in Earths ecosystem are each recurring instances of individual life. If so what is its natural implementation, if not so then explain empirically why not.


"Such isolated pairings existed on Earth for eons, and in this universe, for even longer"
Please clarify your issue with this: It suggests the proposed entanglement molecule was likely around even before the Earth formed. Also the instantiation hypothesis predicts the existence of certain entities as all good hypothesis may. These permit the idea to eventually be tested.


 "The statement "....must relativistically travel......" is illogical."
Relativistic travel describes the movement in space-time of Higgs affected entities as outlined by the theories of relativity. The point is that all classically defined facets of one’s biology currently thought to describe the individual (DNA/RNA etc.), will become non-existent in the scenario, or if not, they will be constrained to travel well below the speed of light, therefore could not act as the natural distributive mechanism to implement a new instance of the individual to other distant life hosting ecosystems. This does not only refer to the distribution of species from ones former ecosystem but rather how nature establishes a new instance of the individual, you, hosted by available indigenous species elsewhere independent of distance and time to destination, ergo the non-relativistic instantiation of individualized life in this space-time. 

"The scenario and conclusion you offer are not consequential on your axiom."
Please clarify your opinion on this item.

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Re: Is life in this Universe a one-off occurrence?
« Reply #9 on: 07/04/2015 19:02:50 »
You are up against a major problem here: Occam's Razor.

There being no apparent need or evidence for an "entanglement molecule", and it being apparent that life is a consequence of the properties of carbon compounds and the hydrogen bond, you are starting from an unnecessary premise.

The labile nature of DNA pretty much guarantees evolution - it is most unlikely that any daughter cell will be an exact copy of its parents, and those that are significantly different but viable will define a new or evolving entity.

It is true that we don't know exactly how or when anything we would describe as living first appeared on this planet, or whether anything similar has happened elsewhere. But the question is no more important than what time the previous bus left, or whether they have buses in Ulan Bator: the important fact is that we are on a bus in London and we have every reason to expect that the service will continue, even though this bus looks quite different from those that ran a hundred years ago.
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Re: Is life in this Universe a one-off occurrence?
« Reply #10 on: 13/04/2015 17:10:54 »
As reading the summary of the Instantiation hypothesis would reveal, no aspect of the modern scientific understanding of biology or its chemical properties is being challenged. The challenge being posed is to the misconception that in nature species (biology) is the individual. The cell and the verifiable aspects of its biological evolution are as science currently describes them. The instantiation hypothesis begins where the modern scientific narrative admittedly, voluntarily abstains and traditionally religions are permitted to fill what is arguably the most important of all voids, and likely the only void any living being may actually care most about. That is, the natural mechanisms governing the instantiation of life. It is for this reason that humankind has fought and prayed for a time far longer than science itself has existed. It is much overdue for the narrative to be extended not by mysticism or ideological entrenchment but by well reasoned, steely objective thought followed by measurement, because clearly not just some, but all of nature is ultimately science.


The instantiation hypothesis suggests that each life is an instance of a specific individual. Also, the natural process that instantiates an individual to that host (i.e. species) is independent of the specific biology, chemistry (i.e. carbon, silicon etc.) or technological principles upon which such forms may be evolved, implemented or depend for function or for its local evolution. Therefore, any individual may instantiate (live) in any viable form in any viable environment in this universe. Ergo Earth is not special.


1-   Individual life (you) is species independent.
2-   The natural process that places you or any living being in the life they currently live is not dependent upon any particular chemistry, biology, species or form, evolved or otherwise. Just as for example, memory, or intelligence does not depend upon any particular brand or type of technology for its implementation.  That is to say, memory is abstracted from its implementation. So to in nature is the individual life abstracted from any specific implementation of its host form, or species.
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Re: Is life in this Universe a one-off occurrence?
« Reply #11 on: 14/04/2015 11:24:50 »


1-   Individual life (you) is species independent.

Life is a phenomenon. Species is a construct. Why make it more complicated (unless you are a priest or  philosopher, in which case your living depends on making the obvious complicated)?
 
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2-   The natural process that places you or any living being in the life they currently live is not dependent upon any particular chemistry, biology, species or form, evolved or otherwise.
Crap! Living things have a very narrow tolerance of physics and chemistry. I can't live in a deep ocean fumarole, and the shrimps and worms that live there won't last long in England, never mind the Arctic.
 
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Re: Is life in this Universe a one-off occurrence?
« Reply #12 on: 14/04/2015 11:29:32 »
I would say, yes. But I am also qualifying that with "life like us". If there is life just like us...either we are the progenitors...or they are. But since we do have a demonstrable record of evolutionary hominids...I'd say Earth is "home"...and any other life similar to us...is from here, originally. This presents a lot of ethics to sort out....

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« Reply #13 on: 15/04/2015 23:53:50 »
Some responses to this topic reveal just how erroneously entrenched with our physical form is our sense of individual being. Once again our eyes deceive us.
The instantiation hypothesis describes; In nature any individual, may naturally entangle any available host species wherever such viable hosts for life may emerge. Ignoring for one moment humankinds’ classifications of species, every living being like yourself is yet another individual, albeit in a form different from your own, however significant or insignificant that difference may be. The irrevocable extinction of viable forms in nature implies that individual life is not dependent upon any particular form to instantiate, to live.

So too will be the case when ones current host dissipates. Natures’ implementation of life does not require, or depend upon, nor is it defined by earths’ chemistry or biology, whether unique or common in this universe. The instantiation hypothesis predicts that one can be certain that life may be otherwise implemented by the host agnostic process of natural entanglement. Reinstantiation of the individual mandates that your unique entanglement frequency will inevitably, naturally entangle again as it has before, allowing you to live in any viable form available. Classically speaking, ones parents are only the parents of your form, your host body. Likewise species indigenous to some other ecosystem on some other planet orbiting some other star in this universe may play host to you. Hosts perhaps based on entirely different chemistry, even ones we may today be reluctant to recognize as biology, but which will serve in a similar capacity to entangle your QEF and thereby host a singleton instance of your life. You will be in that life every bit as alive and as committed to that being as you are to this one, at this moment, sensory capabilities notwithstanding.

Clearly distances vast as they are prone to be between emerged ecosystems in this universe would pose an existential obstacle to reinstantiation of the individual for any classically understood components of biology and chemistry; however, natural entanglement describes a process that is naturally superfluous to such limitations. Such is the metaphorical genius of nature. Hence, the process continues as it has, however significant the differences may be between your current form and your next, however significant the distance between ones’ current placement in this space-time and other indigenous emerged ecosystems in this universe.

To itemize the concepts being proposed;

1-   In nature, whatever the design of ones' current host, you are not present solely as a result of it or its biology, technology or its chemistry.
2-   Ones’ being ones’ individuality is in fact a position-of-view (POV) which is independent of ones’ form.
3-   A POV is a naturally occurring solution of state established between this space-time and Hilbert-space, a space from which this universe emerges.
4-   The hypothesized entanglement molecules (EM) exist entirely within this universes’ space-time while metamatter exists entirely within Hilbert-space.
5-   The POV is the result of the naturally occurring sharing of state called natural quantum entanglement (QE) which temporarily exists between these two entities.
6-   At some point in earth’s history these naturally occurring entanglement molecules joined with other structures to form the proto-cell, the progenitor to the modern cell.
7-   This temporary QE connection between these two very different entities is established at some unique property or aspect of the entanglement spectrum perhaps frequency (QEF) at some value or finite band that is unique to each individual.
8-   While this QE connection persists, the individual cell lives.
9-   Every living cell maintains its own natural entanglement connection to Hilbert-space via its EM contained within the cell.
10-   In multi-cellular hosts, like beavers and human beings, the emerged individuals’ QE connection is maintained by specialized cells called entanglement cells which combine their individual unique QEF to establish a new entanglement with metamatter in Hilbert-space unique to the emerged individual, you.
11-   While ones’ heterodyned QE connection persists, you live.
12-   The POV brings no experience or memories, but only that which may have an experience. Ones’ target for experience if you will.
13-   The POV mathematically speaking is effectively a unique solution of state for the quantum state functions (Hamiltonians) of the surrounding environment.
14-   Ones’ POV solution effectively collapses the surrounding environments quantum state to render the reality that the individual may experience with whatever senses are afforded to them by their current physical form. Whether one instantiates in the form of a single cell or a millipede, a sperm-whale or a human being.
15-   Every individual life in this universe instantiates and reinstantiates by this mechanism.
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« Reply #14 on: 16/04/2015 00:10:22 »
A fundamental distinction between science and poetry is in the poet's concretisation or reification of an abstract quality. Life is a quality possessed by objects, not an object in itself. There is no evidence that life has any qualities or capabilities since it has no actual existence, nor is such existence necessary to explain any observed phenomenon.
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« Reply #15 on: 16/04/2015 14:33:55 »
Testable Element(s) of the Hypothesis:

One initial approach would be to seek evidence for, or against some fundamental aspect of the working hypothesis: Test for the existence, or lack thereof, of the proposed entanglement cells (EC) that establish and maintain life via the QE connection in complex hosts: Termination of the host's EC's and no other cells, should result in the termination of the subject.

Premise: Can death be induced without damage? Can an otherwise healthy living subject be terminated with empirically no physical damage contributable to the subject’s termination, Barring any limitations of technical proficiency or of equipment in analyzing and identifying the root cause of the subject’s death.

Axiom: There exists some absolute minimum number of cells that may be terminated in any complex organism whereby such cells may be scientifically established to be the root and only cause of death of the subject organism with no pre-mortem adverse effects to other cells in the subject. Cells that meet these criteria are candidates for the theorized entanglement cells and the collection has a high probability of including some or all of the subject’s proposed entanglement cells.

Practical Test: Perform controlled experiments using approved subjects, i.e. fruit flies, to terminate the minimal number of cells per specimen to conclusively induce death of the test subject. Carefully repeat and document the number and location of target cells per subject for each scientifically substantiated successful sample. Repeatability per species is mandatory as the specifics may vary from species to species or subject to subject. In qualifying samples the cells that are the root cause of death must be gradually minimized and physically isolated. Cellular damage must be limited to only the target cells for a duration beginning at the time of the target cells death up to and including the time of confirmed subject death. In other words, for a successful trial no cells in the subject other than the target cells may be adversely physically affected pre-mortem.
 

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« Reply #16 on: 24/04/2015 20:22:50 »
The classical ideas of thermodynamic entropy although essential in many practical technological applications, cease to exist at and below the atomic level. So attempting to describe the existence of life in these terms requires some implausible assumptions. Firstly one must accept that in nature individual life (you) is only defined at the cellular level where DNA is functionally implemented. In other words one must believe that nature does not have a mechanism or basis for distinguishing individual life once that individuals DNA has dissipated. This suggests that you and I and all instances of life begin and end with ones cellular DNA. This is logically and empirically inconsistent.

There are examples of living individuals with identical DNA, twins who are clearly not the same individual even when they are physically connected as are Siamese twins. More pointedly however, If any one or all of your trillions of cells were responsible for uniquely defining and distinguishing you from any other living being then separating even a single cell from your holistic body would cause you to lose your current identity (become someone else) or else terminate you as a living individual. However since all life in our ecosystem loses, replaces, transforms and exchanges our entire body mass daily over the course of a few short years, this also invalidates this belief.

Thirdly, this untenable notion violates the principle of re-occurrence of natural phenomena which states that for any natural phenomena to occur there must exist natural mechanisms which by their existence will also permit that phenomena to reoccur given appropriate circumstance. In other words whatever caused the big-bang can cause other big-bangs. Whatever causes nova and super-nova can cause other instances of both. Whatever caused and permits life here can and probably has caused life elsewhere. Further, whatever caused you can cause you again. The universal basis for this postulate of consistency in the laws of nature is the observed consistency of the fine structure constant in this universe.

Any individual life that can occur can reoccur. This last point mandates that you do not end with your DNA/RNA or with your thermodynamic, entropic biology. That nature must indeed have mechanisms known or unknown which serves to define or instantiate you from all other existing or possible instances of life, and such a mechanism must be an essentially immutable and reoccurring property of either this universe or of nature. This feature necessarily exists below the cellular and molecular level into the quantum realm.
 

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« Reply #17 on: 25/04/2015 00:43:29 »
In other words whatever caused the big-bang can cause other big-bangs.

Not if the laws of physics were determined by the big bang itself.

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That nature must indeed have mechanisms known or unknown which serves to define or instantiate you from all other existing or possible instances of life, and such a mechanism must be an essentially immutable and reoccurring property of either this universe or of nature.


Tell that to a clone - either a human twin or a potato will do.
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« Reply #18 on: 27/04/2015 21:59:50 »
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"Tell that to a clone - either a human twin or a potato will do."


The point of these ideas is precisely that most of the properties of the host forms (i.e. potatoes or twins) such as; clone or not-clone, single-cellular or multi-cellular, evolved or not, biological or technological are inconsequential features to the instantiation of individual life in this universe.

Each living being is hypothesized to be an available viable host (of one or more cells like you or me or a potato or a single cell) that is naturally entangled at a specific property (QEF) of the entanglement spectrum with metamatter in Hilbert-space. Any host that evolves or is manufactured anywhere in this universe which properly implements natural entanglement will be a living being.

Each cell in your potato and also in any living entity does this. However, not all multi-cellular hosts evolve entanglement cells responsible for heterodyning their own QEF to establish a unique lifeID and position-of-view (POV). So a potato may have no lifeID or accompanying POV. Although determining which living entities do and which do not possess these features requires more advanced understanding and detection technologies based on these principles.

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« Reply #19 on: 27/04/2015 23:53:52 »
So, as this is a science forum, make a prediction based on your hypothesis and tell us how to test it.
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« Reply #20 on: 28/04/2015 02:59:27 »
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« Reply #21 on: 28/04/2015 07:32:38 »
So, as this is a science forum, make a prediction based on your hypothesis and tell us how to test it.
Now that you mention it, I've never seen anybody do anything like that.

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« Reply #22 on: 28/04/2015 14:44:55 »
So, as this is a science forum, make a prediction based on your hypothesis and tell us how to test it.
Now that you mention it, I've never seen anybody do anything like that.

Me neither, there are a number of threads in New Theories where proof, or further detail (non word spaghetti detail that is) is avoided.

Even the test suggested by the OP won't provide proof of entanglement, just that killing some cells will kill you!
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« Reply #23 on: 29/04/2015 22:46:26 »
The proposed test depends on the ability to "terminate" cells without damaging them. I rather think this deserves a little amplification - what on earth does "terminate without damage" mean, what would you use to do it, and how would you know you had done it?
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« Reply #24 on: 05/05/2015 14:03:26 »

I believe you misunderstood the description. The endeavor is to identify and locate the subjects’ hypothesized entanglement cells  via a systematic decremental process of targeted termination of candidate cells within the test subject (i.e. fruit flies),  and thereby to finally terminate a healthy subject by destroying only the subjects’ entanglement cells, while inflicting no damage to the hosts’ non-EC cells, ergo death without damage.

Today all death known to modern science is eventually forensically caused by cellular damage to structures singularly or collectively vital to the host form. Such damage can invariably be determined to sufficiently disrupt conditions required for proper host function thereby resulting in the termination of the emerged individual, death. The instantiation hypothesis describes death as the disentanglement between ones entanglement cells (EC) with metamatter. This results in the loss of the individual’s position-of-view (POV). Today we see only the physical symptoms of the damage to the host and we quite adequately associate these conditions with the termination of the individual. This is fine for all that we currently do. However this is not the complete description of life in this universe.

If indeed it is the sole function of the hosts’ EC to maintain life of the emerged individual and if it falls upon all other cells of the host only to maintain the environmental, internal and or external conditions for the individual’s continued function then a few interesting insights may be posed.

1-   Theoretically, terminating only an individual’s EC cells while leaving non-EC cells unaffected will result in the termination of the emerged individual while producing no damage to any system of the host, ergo death without damage.
2-   Further, effectively transplanting an individual’s EC to another viable host will result in a successful exchange of an individual’s host form.
3-   Identifying and isolating the EC will certainly aid in the identification of the hypothesized entanglement molecules.
4-   Studying the entanglement molecule could lead to untold developments and technologies.

Some creatures on earth are evolved to terminate even healthy cells once other vital cells undergo necrosis, this is usually done by the release of a chemical death signal that moves through the rest of the healthy portions of the host and cause them to terminate. For creatures that do not possess this self-destruct feature, once the emerged being dies healthy or undamaged cells of the host may continue to live on. These occurrences suggest that the emerged individual is only linked to its other, non-EC, cells of the host by a dependency or reliance upon them to maintain vital conditions for continued life. Conditions such as the need for energy, and temperature and pressure and vital chemicals that may be required by the systems of the host form for continued function. Therefore, the function of every host for life is singularly dedicated to maintaining the internal and perhaps also the external environment for continued entanglement by the hosts EC thus maintaining the individuals POV.  The POV being the composite QEF established and maintained by those same EC.

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« Reply #25 on: 05/05/2015 16:49:57 »
So what you are saying is that death is possible with no evidence of failure of any organ. provided that you can locate your hypothetical and so far invisible cells and disentangle them from your hypothetical metamatter. But your proposed experiment only involves killing cells we already know about, so it won't demonstrate anything of the sort - at least, not to the mind of a scientist.

Why choose something as complicated as a fruit fly? Start with a unicellular animal or a bacterium, which must surely possess whatever it is you are looking for, and think of a way of killing it without disrupting its function. Or is that too much of an oxymoron?
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« Reply #26 on: 05/05/2015 21:58:59 »
“ But your proposed experiment only involves killing cells we already know about, so it won't demonstrate anything of the sort - at least, not to the mind of a scientist. “


As is common in biological research the selection of candidate cells for termination in each trial is a process that each team is free to administer as they see fit. Time to success will hinge upon the teams ability to achieve successful trials as described while decrementing the selection of candidate cells for termination in the most efficient manner going forward, so long as it is with the primary goal in mind as stated.


“Why choose something as complicated as a fruit fly? “

Your approach would describe one technique for seeking the entanglement molecule (EM) not the entanglement cell (EC). Beginning by directly searching for a type of molecule and its function may be somewhat more difficult to seeking a class of cells which are expected to have such a large functional effect as termination on the subject with no destructive affect upon the subjects systems.

While all living hosts are hypothesized to implement entanglement molecules (EM) to instantiate life, entanglement cells (EC) are proposed to have evolved and function as described only in some complex hosts. They are cells like many other cells in living hosts in earths’ ecosystem, known or unknown, that are pending further or perhaps initial identification or description by science. We have a long history of studying unknown or poorly understood structures in biology, this is no different.
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« Reply #27 on: 06/05/2015 00:12:49 »
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a class of cells which are expected to have such a large functional effect as termination on the subject with no destructive affect upon the subjects systems.

You are ignoring the key point of my reductio ad absurdam. In the case of a single celled organism, there is only one class of cell, and it's very much alive. Now add more cells to make a symbiont or a complex single organism, and you still don't need an entanglement cell to make it alive.

Evolution of complex systems from simple ones does not require a hitherto undiscovered cell which is essential to the life of organisms with n +1 different cells but not to those with n cell types. Thus your hypothesis only has credence if you accept that "n+1" species were created rather than evolved: and there is no evidence for that axiom. 

More fundamentally, multicelled species actually develop from a single cell. We know that you can do all sorts of damage to an undifferentiated blastocyst without killing it: you can delay its differentiation, or even divide it into multiple clones, so whatever "instantiates" life must have been present in the initial cell and is therefore not a property that distinguishes complex beings from unicellular animals. 
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« Reply #28 on: 07/05/2015 22:21:07 »
At first the comprehension that ones’ first person individuality is abstracted, separate, and distinct from the evolution, development, and life of ones’ cells is a tough hurdle for the mind to overcome. Even as it is viewed from various perspectives, and in the absence of clarifying empirical evidence, it requires some time alone in contemplation and a steely objectivity to come to realize the truth of it. However humankind has had this problem before.


It is essential to recognize that maintaining life and maintaining an emerged individuality are both essential but separate functions of living hosts. The hosting of life via natural entanglement is an evolved property of inanimate matter whereas emerged individuality (Heterodyned by EC's) is an additional evolved skill of living multi-cellular organisms. The function of the entanglement cells (EC) in complex hosts is not to establish life in a multi-cellular organism. Each cell is already alive complements of the natural entanglement by its entanglement molecules (EM). Rather the role of the EC is to instantiate individuality, establish the position-of-view the target for experience of the emerged being. This unique composite natural entanglement with metamatter is separate and distinct from the natural entanglement established by each of the other (non-EC) living cells which comprise ones’ host body. Ergo; in nature you are not your body. This is why you can sever an entire leg or destroy a large portion of your brain , or drink beer and remain you. That is to say, maintain your individuality. This individuality is not about appearance or behavior or personality or intelligence or even consciousness, it is ones’ continued position–of-view via natural entanglement. You remain you because the emerged individual is separate and distinct from that of the trillions of non-EC cells that maintain its operation.

Each single cell which comprises your body is itself naturally entangled and is in nature a living individual, as is the emerged individual, you whose multi-cellular form and functions each non-EC cell help to maintain. This says nothing of your individuality. Further, this same implementation operates for leaves, trees, hair, internal organs etc. each are clearly multi-cellular and are alive but may only be collections of individualized living cells which are held together, and perhaps on some level, function together. Such an association of living individuals may or may not have evolved the capacity to heterodyne to establish a secondary emerged natural entanglement connection to metamatter.  That is to say, they have not become an emerged individual like a beaver or a dolphin, human or an ant. Making a distinction between the position-of-view of a cell or a simple association of cells and the heterodyned composite POV of an emerged individual is a tenuous endeavor fraught with uncertainty absent the principles described in the instantiation hypothesis. In earth-life it is the hypothesized entanglement cells that are the evolutionary components of living hosts responsible for this advanced feature of emerged individuality. These terms and distinctions are necessary because our eyes and instruments deceive us; the largest life form in earth’s ecosystem the sequoia tree may very well not possess an emerged individuality whereas some of the smallest may.

 Nature implements life by the same fundamental mechanism no matter the hosts form. In nature this sort of scalable, extensible implementation is the very definition of simplicity. It is the entanglement molecule that is hypothesized to fundamentally establish and maintain all life via natural entanglement in every living cell. One QE connection at some unique QEF is one individual. How this QE connection is established or maintained, composite or not, is irrelevant to natures design. Earth-life offers one (carbon based) approach to hosting nature’s implementation of life. Other planets may very well evolve other approaches. We may someday manufacture yet another.   This implementation is what permits the universal mobility of individuality. Hosts for life and their constituent components whether single cellular or otherwise are local in space-time and have no natural universal mobility requiring physical travel (i.e. via comets or spacecraft).
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« Reply #29 on: 07/05/2015 23:29:08 »
You would do well to study slime moulds before pontificating on individuality.

The treatment of "nature" as an agent rather than a set of observations, can lead you into all sorts of erroneous thinking - but you won't be the first or last to make that mistake. Beware of bringing mystical philosophy to a science forum.
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« Reply #30 on: 11/05/2015 12:13:41 »
To date the most promising structure yet discovered which displays some of the features and function consistent with those predicted by the instantiation hypothesis for the entanglement molecule (EM), while perhaps falling well shot of complete equivalence, is the Fenna-Matthews-Olson (FMO) complex. This photosynthetic antenna complex is the naturally occurring molecular structure responsible for the photosynthetic non-classical conduction observed in living plant cells via natural entanglement. In green algae it operates to overcome the otherwise inefficient latency of classical mechanisms which would result in a devastating loss of anti-entropic information needed from sunlight for the continued evolution of viable hosts on this planet.


Likewise, a similar natural entanglement antenna complex describes the predicted entanglement molecule which instantiate the living individual to available hosts wherever they may emerge in this universe. This Entanglement is between the living hosts (cells) and a form of matter (metamatter) in Hilbert-space made accessible only by the non-locality, non-relativistic reach of natural entanglement. It is indeed a true testament to the amazing ingenuity and flexibility of nature that such an implementation is not only possible, but naturally emerges, for life may not exist without it. This instantiation mechanism is the most plausible solution to the conundrum of individuality in this universe posed by the scenario of this thread.


If the entanglement molecule indeed predated the cell then, structurally if not functionally, it must be of a different design than the FMO complex. The FMO is a protein based structure assembled from complex amino acids and likely evolved within the cell here on earth or planets nearby. To predate the cell the EM must permit natural entanglement by utilizing a more fundamental elemental design. The entanglement molecule may be one with which we are already familiar.
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« Reply #31 on: 11/05/2015 16:53:19 »
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while perhaps falling well shot of complete equivalence,

in other words, nothing like it at all.

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and a form of matter (metamatter) in Hilbert-space made accessible only by the non-locality, non-relativistic reach of natural entanglement.

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to the conundrum of individuality

I see no conundrum. All living things have different chemistry (due to the instability of DNA) and history
(Pauli's exclusion principle) and are therefore individual.

 
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« Reply #32 on: 11/05/2015 22:36:16 »
Nature and science both collude to create a history of ideas which many, during the course of one lifetime, or another, find repugnant, unbelievable, or just inconvenient. On those too numerous occasions when such resistance was permitted to stifle free inquiry humanity has suffered in more ways than one. If an idea is proven not to describe nature, such poof is just as enlightening as its confirmation. Developing ideas and then determining which ideas describe nature and which ones do not, by testing not by emphatic declarations is what defines the scientific process. 

 The notion held by many that an individual is alive and present in this form, in this place, at this moment, exclusively because ones particular body and particular species emerged where it has when it has, is very likely to be false. In nature it is likely that you have, can, and will experience life in any available form in any viable environment in this universe or in existence and the instantiation hypothesis may describe the natural mechanism that makes this possible.   

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« Reply #33 on: 14/05/2015 15:46:08 »
"If you analyze it closely you will, I think, find that it is just a little bit more than a collection of single data (experiences and memories), namely the canvas upon which they are collected. And you will, on close introspection, find that what you really mean by ‘I’ is that ground-stuff upon which they are collected." [Schrödinger, Erwin (1992-01-31). What is Life? (Canto) Cambridge University Press]


The next fertile undiscovered frontier of science is the study of how the individual (you) naturally inhabit this universe. This topic speaks to the really interesting question of how any life, you, came to be where you are in the form that you are. Consciousness, self-awareness, sentience are evolved attributes had by very few forms of life in earth’s ecosystem, yet all are just as alive in nature. Such attributes cannot be relevant to either nature’s fundamental implementation of life, to being alive, or to experience. Experience may be enhanced by these attributes as they evolve in more complex hosts or species, but the phenomena which establish an instance of life likely brings no experience at all.


The position-of-view (POV) as described by the instantiation hypothesis is implemented by a fundamental property of nature called natural entanglement. This process produces the POV which localizes you in your space-time, whether you have five, one, twenty or no senses. Regardless of what or where ones living form may be in this universe. Effectively ones POV is the target for all of the sensory information we call experience. Any beings lifeID is temporarily localized to its host body by the naturally occurring entanglement between its physical host such as ones cell(s) together with a non-relativistic form of matter called metamatter (in Hilbert-space). The POV of each individual life can be represented mathematically by its unique wave function. This wave function is a unique solution of state for the individual in space-time and is the term missing from many of our quantum mechanical solutions. The POV is nothing less than the mathematical representation of a living being.


In life the POV brings no experience but only that which may have an experience. In nature a POV is the mathematical representation of a lifeID established either by entanglement of a single cell to metamatter, or alternatively by the heterodyning of multiple entanglement cells (EC) to metamatter. If you are in fact alive then your composite lifeID and its position-of-view together constitutes your being regardless of your physical state, form, condition or location in space-time. If the entanglement hypothesis accurately depicts the reality in this universe and the entanglement molecule exists, then it represents the most fundamental physical component of life as we know it. Like the Top-Quark, or the Higgs, the Ether or DNA, the entanglement molecule may someday be isolated and identified either in the cell or in the environment. or not. Either way we may learn something along the way.

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« Reply #34 on: 21/05/2015 06:48:44 »
Life is so rare because of the circumstances necessary to spark life in the first place.  Not at all common as some would have you believe.  Here is the recipe for life:

a giant water ice planet with a salt core maintaining liquid water below the frozen atmosphere.

a planetary impact with a rocky iron planet rich in volatile elements and just the right size.

a back splash upon impact creating our moon

the impacting planet would have to have a strong magnetic field passing directly through the global ocean plane where salt water would spark electricity maintaining it to this day

the solar systems star would have an affinity to iron two magnetic fields creating the dynamo

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« Reply #35 on: 21/05/2015 13:59:06 »
Consciousness, self-awareness, sentience are evolved attributes had by very few forms of life in earth’s ecosystem,

Would you care to define those attributes and justify yor assertion? 
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« Reply #36 on: 23/05/2015 13:16:38 »
If you say 'walkies' to my dog he knows exactly what I mean. We often underestimate the intelligence of animals. However, would you describe a virus as being alive. That is a difficult one. It is more like a nano machine than a living organism. The problem of describing life and especially consciousness is that we are part of the system we attempt to describe and so subjectivity is hard to avoid. It is much better to concentrate on observational evidence. Otherwise arguments quickly become circular. By all means pursue your theory, just don't expect empirical evidence.

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« Reply #37 on: 24/05/2015 01:32:07 »
However rare or ubiquitous host species for life may actually be in this universe, they nonetheless likely emerge via countless varied means and circumstances throughout this universe or throughout existence. Most can never be imagined by us. The implementation of host species in any particular environment in this universe is only one component of a much larger, grander implementation, that of individuality. We have become too accustomed to, and somewhat tunnel visioned in, our understanding of life as being only the classical functional chemistry of the physical hosts that emerge here and there on this planet or in this universe. Individuality however is the original, the indigenous component of life. Like snowflakes, living hosts transiently come and go as they assume forms too varied and randomly influenced to predict or to repeat. With humankind being the very visual species that we are, we are once again confounded by the visible and captivating facade of life that reflects visible light, namely the physical, electromagnetically congealed component of the living individual, the species. The ongoing cognitive immaturity of humankind is engendered by this limited or flawed understanding of life. 

The only life on Earth is the living cell. The lesser point being submitted for your collective consideration is that such attributes as consciousness, self-awareness, sentience, intelligence etc.,  concepts already defined by others, are emergent skills or capabilities arbitrarily ascribed by observers  to particular emerged composite hosts (with EC) and therefore cannot be fundamental to natures’ basic implementation of life. Currently and for billions of years on earth  %99.99… of living hosts for life were and continue to be either single cell individuals or non-emerged (no EC) collections thereof. To truly understand what life is and the mobility of its fundamental component; individuality, and the natural principles that govern and influence its instantiation, we need consider only the single living cell. Viewed as an individual, a property traditionally ascribed only to human beings, the single living cell forces us to come to conclusions we never would with our usual limited perspective.

The first person position-of-view we refer to as individuality (Life) in this universe has emerged from a very basic natural phenomenon, namely natural quantum entanglement, a property of a naturally occurring molecule. Clearly like all other phenomenon or processes or reactions involving groups of atoms and molecules these can also be categorized as being chemical in nature. Natural entanglement is the basis for individuality. When one is misguided into thinking that life is only the physical component of this natural entangled relationship a great amount of confusion and misconception will be the inevitable outcome. The first casualty is the dismissal of the mobility of individuality in this universe. As is usually the case we can live just fine with all of our misconceptions as life makes few demands on the intellectual awareness of its tenants. However as we all know advancement requires enlightenment and the time for our further enlightenment in this regard grows near.
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« Reply #38 on: 02/06/2015 17:44:57 »
Since ancient times humankind has felt endeared by certain properties, skills, or talents observed in the living forms all around us. Properties which are misconstrued to be fundamental identifiers of life and of all living beings, properties such as mobility, voice, speech, sight, memory, and biology as we know it.


The reason Thomas Edison could so enthrall spectators with his newly designed speaking device, which he dubbed the phonograph, is due to humankinds hitherto engrained, evolved or learned, and largely subconscious understanding that a voice for example, is the sound of a living beings soul. Although consciously many people knew better, nevertheless it wasn’t until they were able to actually witness the spectacle of a clearly inanimate device producing a voice did the rewiring of people’s minds and the accompanying enlightenment take place. So it was with self locomotion or mobility of inanimate objects which also took some getting used to by our not so distant ancestors, as did light detection describable as sight, so to with the introduction of retrievable memory and such surprising spectacles exhibited by inanimate non biological devices.


Then there is life. Today we have a much more detailed description of biology and its chemistry than did our forbearers. Nonetheless, we perhaps more than ever, continue to see nature’s implementation of life as we did those other skills, as a feature indigenous to and expressible only by the biological forms we currently see around us. With the exception of life, it is only the encroachment of our synthetic, non-biological technologies upon these formerly cherished skills and talents that has helped us to see nature’s true design. In so doing we now realize that these functions are not exclusively properties of living beings or of biology but rather examples of utilization and manipulation of more basic properties of nature such as temperature and pressure, light, chemical, electromotive, and ponderomotive forces, friction, entanglement etc..


However, where life is concerned, and taking no example from the past, we continue to cling to the misconception that life is not a skill or talent comparable to speech or memory, a property which similarly evolved here on earth in biological form. Instead we define life by the observed biology and chemistry of the forms we see around us. This is akin to defining speech, communication, memory or vision by the description of your eyes, or larynx or neurons and their chemistry, or by the design of Edison’s phonograph, or by the intricate electrical designs of the cell phone. Life too is an evolved capability with a natural implementation abstracted from any particular biology or chemistry we may see around us. In nature life has a fundamental implementation based on natural entanglement via a molecule that may have existed in nature long before life emerged, a molecule like so many others utilized by the cell to exceptional effect, the entanglement molecule. A molecule that may also be utilized in synthetic, perhaps non-biological, forms to create an independent genesis of life.


No matter how detailed or convincing the illusion of life may become in its implementation, for example in an android or computer or even in a biological entity, despite what your eyes may urge you to believe, each continues to be a non-living entity absent natures fundamental mechanism of life. An essential mechanism provided via natural entanglement between the properly implemented entanglement molecules within living cells located in this space-time with metamatter in Hilbert-space which together produce each unique living individual’s position-of-view (POV) and lifeID. This is the essential mechanism that permits any viable form to host an individual like yourself or your pet otter anywhere in our space-time. It is how you are where you are right now. It is the natural anti-entropic mechanism that permits any viable planet or species to host your life. By this hypothesized definition even the most convincingly implemented appearance and behavior of an entity not naturally entangled in this way will continue to be an inanimate entity. In contrast, a hand held brick such as a calculator instantiated by natural entanglement to establish a POV, despite all appearances, this unconvincing brick would in fact be a living being.


The day will shortly arrive when we are confronted as we previously have been, with a new implementation of entities that meet all of the aesthetic and behavioral misconceptions we now harbor about life, or alternatively ones that show no traditional evidence of life what so ever, absent an understanding of the true determinant of life natural entanglement, we will be ill prepared to tell the difference.
 

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« Reply #39 on: 03/06/2015 23:20:50 »
Life is an abstract quality said to be possessed by all those things that we consider to be alive. Not much of a definition since the criteria of "alive" are a bit fluid, but generally we are looking for a bounded entity the transpires and has some tendency to optimise its transpiration by responding or adapting to small changes in its environment.

There is no actual entity called "life", nor its it transferable between entities. It has no existence outside of the minds of the people who talk about it. End of mystery.   
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« Reply #40 on: 04/06/2015 06:03:40 »
It is crucial to understand species and species development and evolution. However absent the comprehension of the true role of these structures one misses the reality of life in this universe.

The limited perspective of life we now embrace is akin to a distant future paleontologist eons after life has left the earth attempting to explain how uncovered vehicular artifacts could have operated all over the earth without first realizing the existence of human beings as a fundamental component of vehicular operation. Our, perhaps non-biological, dirt digger could deduce all manner of insights about the discovered operation of the cars and, aircraft parts and their operation but unable or unwilling to comprehend the existence of a naturally implemented intelligent species of the kind they have never imagined much less seen. The mystery for them would be as untenable as life presently is to us. The missing component in biology today is you.

The Monogamy of Entanglement is the fundamental scientific principle of nature which implements each instance of life (i.e. you) by natural entanglement in any viable habitat. It is the property of nature in this universe that makes individuality possible and provides the singleton, non-locality and non-relativistic characteristics of instantiation via natural entanglement.
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« Reply #41 on: 05/06/2015 09:03:40 »
It is crucial to understand species and species development and evolution.

Bad starting point. "Species" is an arbitrary label we attach to apparent cardinal points in a continuum. Evolution is the result of an entirely random process with a lot of failures, even more insignificant variations, and a very few significant ones, modulated by environment.

No mystery, therefore no requirement for any new molecules or hitherto undiscovered processes.
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« Reply #42 on: 06/06/2015 20:19:09 »
Heisenberg : “The history of physics is not only a sequence of experimental discoveries and observations, followed by their mathematical description; it is also a history of concepts. For an understanding of the phenomena the first condition is the introduction of adequate concepts. Only with the help of correct concepts can we really know what has been observed.”

The corner that many well intentioned practitioners of science become hopelessly jammed in is the corner where the pages of the textbook meet. The equations and bits of understanding that we gather need context. Practitioners of science should choose a topic or phenomenon of nature that interest them and with their best scientific understanding, and logic and powers of rational deduction, and most importantly a steely objectivity, set out to conceive of how nature may implement that phenomena.

Before Darwin any suggestion that life had anything to do with cells and undiscovered molecules (DNA/RNA) in the cell which dictated most of what you are would have been scientific, what’s the word ‘woo’. Perhaps we are a bit more enlightened today. Unfortunately today it continues to be just as difficult to see nature form here as it ever has been in the past. I came to realize that at least where life is concerned we continue to be steeped in ignorance, mysticism, ideology, and denial despite the pivotally important course correction we acquired from Darwin’s insights. I came to see that any individual’s experience of life, of being, is as much part of nature as your species is and one is necessarily abstracted from the other.

You are not your cells or molecules or your atoms, in fact you shouldn't even call them yours. I came to see that the only life that exists is the living cell in all of its forms and that the natural processes that implement life are the same for the cell as it is for bacteria as it is for a fruit fly as for a human being. It is folly for us to think we could only experience life in this very temporary, randomly emerged bipedal primate form. Further, your cells and molecules come and go continuously over the course of your lifetime but nonetheless you remain you. Then there are the other trillions of living individuals in million of different forms all around us coming into being and going out of life continuously. I realized that the only form we need consider in this regard is the single living cell. The answers that are true for the cell are the answers that apply to all life. Further, you and I and your pet octopus and every living cell are instances of life, each a temporary instantiation of some very natural, empirically definable phenomena of nature. This instantiating phenomenon must have the non-relativistic reach to establish individual life (you), biological or perhaps otherwise, on any planet orbiting any star or indeed in any viable environment in the cosmos or in existence where viable hosts may emerge. It is a tragic mistake to feel that this describes something that could not possibly be natural but must be supernatural. While, as usual, nature’s genius is a practical and ubiquitous, even if a bit unfamiliar implementation. There is a phenomenon known to science for some time that meets all of these requirements: Quantum Entanglement (QE). Einstein called it spooky action at a distance. Today we play with it in the lab as a mere tech curiosity. It is the most likely candidate for the life-force.

Upon understanding this we would have turned the page in the book of life that Darwin began and the eventual effect upon global enlightenment and religions everywhere would be profound. Imagine for the first time you could tell your young children generally, or eventually, specifically how the life cycle works minus the mysticism and ideology because at that point, it would just be science.
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« Reply #43 on: 07/06/2015 00:42:26 »
Never mind Darwin (cells and molecules predated him by a long way), but what about William of Occam?

I think you need more than mere assertion to get anyone to subscribe to your theory.
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« Reply #44 on: 08/06/2015 02:05:17 »
It isn't my intention to change anyone’s mind, but rather to simply expose open minded readers to a new and practical way of thinking about a very old, perhaps the most personal of all ideas known to humankind, the recognition of a unique and scientifically plausible description of how nature governs not only species, but the individual, you. There is a very good chance, as is often the case with such invasive ideas about nature, that I and everyone who reads this post would be long gone before either the capability or the courage to honestly prove or disprove the instantiation of life hypothesis is achieved. However, every first step is worth taking.

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« Reply #45 on: 11/06/2015 02:56:19 »
The true measure of any species’ cognitive maturity is engendered by the accuracy of what it knows or believes it knows about its own living condition.

For decades it has been understood by modern science that far reaching relocation and travel within this universe is fundamentally and practically prohibited by natural mechanisms, fantasies to the contrary notwithstanding. As is often the case however, nature presents the solution to the problems it creates. Placement and relocation of the individual within this universe is a mechanism that must have been in place long before the evolution of living biological hosts like the cell.


Natures’ means of populating this universe, not only with naturally evolved biological forms, but also with naturally instantiated individual POV’s, is likely the only answer to Humankinds' dreams of far flung interstellar or intergalactic relocation. Once we master the elements of reinstantiation of the individual we will see that our bodies are not required for relocation of the individual within this universe. True to natures design the host body is always left behind. Relocating only the individuals’ position-of-view is the only viable means of moving through a vast universe permeated by a Higgs field. Controlling the instantiation of life will permit us a degree of influence and self determinism we do not have when nature handles ones instantiation.


In theory, with the proper understanding and technologies, one could instantly, selectively reinstantiate to available preferred hosts in any viable ecosystem, located anywhere in this universe. It is preferable if not likely that this would one day become a round trip endeavor, but until then it would serve as a means of assuring ones continued participation in the human experience on or near Earth. Also, although controlled instantiation may not preserve the individual’s endearing qualities such as memories, personality, or behavior it does however offer some degree of control over one’s prospects for life which some may regard to be better than none at all. Any advanced species that share this universe with us will no doubt already understand this.

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« Reply #46 on: 11/06/2015 13:17:51 »
   As I see it the universe oscillates from zero to infinity. Since man exists today here, man most likely exists all over the universe in millions of similar planet Earths. When the universe erases, the memory of man will still exist in coexisting higher universe of pure photonic energy. This is the spiritual dimension. Therefore man will always come back upon millions of Earths for all time. You will return over and over again to relive many different lives and sometimes the exact same life but the probability of exactly the same life is really zero but it will happen. You will certainly live many different lives forever. In effect each person will never die but merely sleep for long periods of time.

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« Reply #47 on: 12/06/2015 14:36:12 »
Many years ago as I began my cognitive journey to truly comprehend these phenomena we call life, being, and individuality, I considered many ideas, some that sound very much like what you are suggesting. It soon became clear to me that it was essential for me to begin with a clean slate and a steely objectivity accompanied by fundamental scientific principles. I needed to dismiss most of the prefabricated ideas popular in the world today and historically. Ideas that are mostly self-serving, agenda based narratives. I came to realize that life and individuality must not be defined by any particular living form, including the human form. It occurred to me that the prevailing tendency to define life in terms of the human form in particular is quite obvious, being that we are human. Why not then the jellyfish or the protozoa the seagull or the single cell? I realized that all forms of life are transient and also that the over extrapolated ideas which suggest infinite anything are implausible. This human form that we are understandably preoccupied by has not been here for but an instant of Earths’ biological record and will certainly cease to exist either entirely or as we know it at some finite point in the future.  Even if another form emerged anywhere which resembles humankind, by what measure could one explicitly conclude that this other emerged species is one and the same? Further, would it matter? In fact is any individual form explicitly one and the same with any other individual form, even within the same species? Our definition of species is somewhat amorphous and self serving.

However there is another perspective that for me makes much more sense, that of individuality. It is unfamiliar I know for most to speak of individuality from an empirical tangible perspective separate and distinct from ones visible form but that should present no obstacle for the nimble minded among you.  Individuality is the aspect of life that is far more interesting and eventually we will find is just as natural, real, mobile, quantifiable and open to scientific inquiry as is ones genetics. Nature didn’t only establish a mechanism to produce a physical form anchored in this space-time; it went the extra mile and also produced a mechanism to establish individuality by way of that form. That is to give a viable physical form a position-of-view (POV) by natural entanglement, this mechanism by which a POV may be established is nature’s true innovation. These mechanisms (natural laws) necessarily existed long before viable hosts for life emerged in this universe able to instantiate and reinstantiate individuality and life wherever viable host may emerge.  These laws exist even in the complete absence of any viable hosts for life in any given universe. You are not your physical form or any of its talents, skills or capabilities. You are as are every other living entity on or off of this planet, a very real aspect of nature that requires no mysticism or super-natural manifestations.  Natural entanglement is an entity that existed before this space-time we call the universe congealed from the underlying metaverse and will likely exist long after this universe becomes non-viable for life as we know it. The ultimate demise of this universe will not matter because natural entanglement is capable of hosting individuality anywhere in existence and through any viable form including ones you could scarcely imagine.

You are likely correct regarding individuality being eternal but not, I think, because one is infinitely simultaneously instantiated (living) throughout existence. The monogamy of entanglement prohibits this. The monogamy of entanglement enforces a singleton instance of each individual. To reinstantiate one must first disentangle, also known as death. Reinstantiation is as you pointed out inevitable and with time disentangled being no factor to the individual’s experience of life; one will consequently only know life while entangled. Nonetheless there are factors, details and influences to the reinstantiation of individuality as there are to the genetic science and biology of its physical component. The instantiation hypothesis describes cellular entanglement with a form of matter akin to dark-matter called metamatter because entanglement is known to be at least a binary phenomenon (involving two or more entities) also the mobility of individuality requires access to all points in existence simultaneously and instantaneously because hosts may emerge anywhere. Metamatter emerged from these requirements and is theorized to have an influence on the cell with which it is entangled. This entanglement relationship is likely a form of extra-universal cloud storage not for ones lifelong memories and aspirations and personality but rather is more likely an exchange of fundamental cellular state information likely perishable with time which could in some way govern or influence ones instantiation prospects and cellular evolution. The study of the instantiation of individuality will ultimately spur a new scientific understanding of our true place in nature.
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« Reply #48 on: 24/06/2015 18:16:50 »
Species Loyalty: Why should Mr. Zebra or any living individual seek to preserve its current species?


Every living entity possesses an entangled position-of-view. This axiom emerges from an understanding that nature must have only one implementation for life no matter what that entities visible appearance or structure or placement in space-time may be. This may eventually prove to be true only for earths’ particular genesis of life, but such an amendment would need to await our discovery of another unique genesis of life which demonstrates a non entanglement based implementation. Until then it remains prudent to assume that this natural entanglement is pervasive throughout nature. To the outside world each instantiation of any individual is a different unique instance of life, however to the individual, ones’ first person position of view is a singular and ongoing phenomenon of experience or the lack thereof, regardless of form or location of ones host. Persistent, retrievable memory spanning multiple instantiations is likely to be a very rare occurrence in living hosts. Nonetheless, nature provides a limited storage reserve of anti-entropic cellular state information imprinted in metamatter during the course of each instantiation, each lifetime. This information is accessible to any emerged hosts for life which utilizes natural entanglement to metamatter to instantiate a living being. It is hypothesized that the genesis of life in any ecosystem is bootstrapped by this universal cloud-storage reserve of anti-entropic cellular state information, and is made accessible by the entanglement molecule in a manner metaphorically similar to how a transceiver (ham-radio) may make information accessible to someone lost in the middle of a remote expansive desert. It is probable that the longer an individual’s lifespan the greater the influence of this stored imprint upon ones reinstantiation prospects is likely to be.


This may be the basis, the justification for species loyalty. Premise; is there any reason for any individual during any given instance of life to be loyal to ones current species besides a conscious immediate circumstantial need to survive? Many species demonstrate some partiality to their current species or host form. Why is this the case? Given that without the instantiation hypothesis most believe with varying degrees of certainty that ones’ current being will eventually cease to exist and this will be an eternal condition. However, the instantiation hypothesis mandates that there is a certainty of continued life, but not a certainty of form. Further, the instantiation hypothesis describes a mechanism which may influence ones reinstantiation prospects whereby the amount of imprinted familial metamatter in existence (entangled by family members with similar cellular DNA) positively biases ones prospects of reinstantiating into ones recent family line and thereby into ones recent species. How so? Cellular Natural entanglement is facilitated by any metamatter which is more similarly imprinted to the cellular state of the host cell(s) seeking entanglement. This is essentially a tuning relationship. Think of tuning a transistor radio to a specific electromagnetic frequency to receive a specific radio station which is broadcasting at that same frequency. Likewise a cells’ internal state which is largely dictated by its DNA and immediate circumstances is essentially a tuned entity.


So too is metamatter which has been imprinted over the course of a lifetime by cells of similar DNA and entanglement frequency (QEF). Compatible hosts and metamatter will therefore become more likely to engage in a natural entanglement relationship. Stem-metamatter is essentially un-imprinted metamatter and will therefore display no predisposition, or bias to entangle any specific host. In other words stem-metamatter will entangle any available viable host regardless of its form. If an individual’s metamatter is permitted to revert to a stem condition this suggests that this individual which has few or no compatible hosts in existence in the form of offspring or familial relations therefore has a statistically smaller probability of entangling a host from its former family line and an increasing probability of eventually (over time) entangling non-familial hosts in its former species. Further, with longer spans of time spent unentangled (dead, uninstantiated, not alive), this would increase the probability of entangling a host increasingly dissimilar to one’s previous host.


This natural implementation sheds some light on the demonstrated motivation of living individuals throughout earths ecosystem to procreate often at the expense of all else. Why should Mr. Zebra seek to preserve its current species? He isn’t really; Mr. Zebras’ DNA is in fact seeking to increase its chances of entangling similar metamatter by spreading copies of itself far and wide and in so doing it increases the individual’s, Mr. Zebras’ chances of reinstantiating into its current form. Any individual zebra or lion or ameba or human tends to subconsciously exercise this behavior even if it means eliminating any or most of its current species. On occasion this drive is seen to be partial to siblings and such but is largely self-serving. Seen from the outside, and in the absence of the understanding provided by the instantiation of life hypothesis, this behavior appears to be some sort of social loyalty of Mr. Zebra to zebras as a species, and is often described by a situational narrative or cognitive dedication to family and so forth. The truth is a more fundamental reality of natural cause and effect.

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« Reply #49 on: 28/06/2015 00:38:36 »
Species Loyalty: Why should Mr. Zebra or any living individual seek to preserve its current species?

Wrong forum. Science is about how, not why. But I'll happily answer "how".

Zebras, humans, fish, all enjoy sexual intercourse (I've never quite understood fish, but they certainly seem to pursue one another with gusto when in season). Sexual intercourse often produces offspring of the same species, so the preservation of species, and indeed the evolution of species, derives from the voluntary and pleasurable actions of species. It's a consequence, not an objective. 

We can delve a little deeper by considering plants rather than animals. There's clearly less voluntary action involved but Darwin gives us a helpful hint: those that didn't produce pollen and seeds, died out within a generation, whilst those that did, populated the planet in the absence of such competition.

The question arises as to why zebras only mate with zebras, and cherry trees with cherry trees. If your "metamatter" were the driving force we would expect to see a lot more cherry-zebras if there was only one kind of metamatter. So there must be at least as many kinds of metamatter as there are non-interfertile species in the universe. Which would be fine if it were not for the fact that species seem to evolve and diverge by wholly explicable variations in their DNA. Occam's razor says we don't need to postulate any other mechanism or entity, and common sense says that if metamatter is species-specific, it must be evolving too. Somehow I think the precise parallel and synchronous evolution of some hitherto-undetected entity that we don't actually need to explain our observations, is a postulate too far. 
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