Theory of light

  • 129 Replies
  • 19637 Views

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

*

Offline jccc

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • 990
    • View Profile
Re: Theory of light
« Reply #100 on: 19/05/2015 00:46:26 »
the speed and strength of light, gravity and em force, are magically match. what's the odds?

isn't the nature told us all the secret ALREADY?

*

Offline PmbPhy

  • Neilep Level Member
  • ******
  • 2804
    • View Profile
Re: Theory of light
« Reply #101 on: 19/05/2015 05:59:47 »
Quote from: jccc
the speed and strength of light, gravity and em force, are magically match.
Like so much of what you post, that sentence doesn't make sense. E.g. there is no sense in speaking about the speed of light and the strength of light to match. The same with the rest of your claim.

*

Offline jccc

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • 990
    • View Profile
Re: Theory of light
« Reply #102 on: 19/05/2015 08:11:05 »
speed of light, gravity and em force are the same c.

strength of light, gravity and em force are all inversely proportional to r^2.

*

Offline Colin2B

  • Global Moderator
  • Neilep Level Member
  • *****
  • 2079
    • View Profile
Re: Theory of light
« Reply #103 on: 19/05/2015 09:11:40 »
strength of light, gravity and em force are all inversely proportional to r^2.
So is sound, thickness of a balloon skin as it inflates, it's called geometry.
When the geometry is different, they can all cease to be prop to r2
« Last Edit: 20/05/2015 07:23:12 by Colin2B »
and the misguided shall lead the gullible,
the feebleminded have inherited the earth.

*

Offline jccc

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • 990
    • View Profile
Re: Theory of light
« Reply #104 on: 19/05/2015 14:02:04 »
strength of light, gravity and em force are all inversely proportional to r^2.
So is sound, pressure due to ripples in a pond, thickness of a balloon skin as it inflates, it's called geometry.
When the geometry is different, they can all cease to be prop to r2

so you think geometry made light, gravity and em force all have same speed?

why is dipole field strength falls off inversely with the cube of the distance?

you don't even know how a hydrogen atom is formed, is it 2d or 3d yet, get those right first.

*

Offline Colin2B

  • Global Moderator
  • Neilep Level Member
  • *****
  • 2079
    • View Profile
Re: Theory of light
« Reply #105 on: 19/05/2015 14:29:48 »
so you think geometry made light, gravity and em force
No, that's your misreading what I said

why is dipole field strength falls off inversely with the cube of the distance?
Do you mean dipole antenna? Inverse square
Do you mean dipole moment? Different geometry, not the same as the others, check your facts and look carefully at what the terms mean.

you don't even know how a hydrogen atom is formed, is it 2d or 3d yet, get those right first.
I know, I've got it right, you just don't want to believe.

Off to talk to folks with real questions.
and the misguided shall lead the gullible,
the feebleminded have inherited the earth.

*

Offline jccc

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • 990
    • View Profile
Re: Theory of light
« Reply #106 on: 19/05/2015 17:08:38 »
what's the odds told you?

moon disk and sun disk are the same size in the sky

light, gravity and em force speed are the same c in space

i say the solar system is designed

gravity is em force and light is em wave




*

Offline Thebox

  • Neilep Level Member
  • ******
  • 3249
    • View Profile
Re: Theory of light
« Reply #107 on: 19/05/2015 18:36:47 »
what's the odds told you?

moon disk and sun disk are the same size in the sky

light, gravity and em force speed are the same c in space

i say the solar system is designed

gravity is em force and light is em wave


Gravity is not Em force, Em wave is coupling between all matter.

*

Offline jccc

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • 990
    • View Profile
Re: Theory of light
« Reply #108 on: 21/05/2015 03:22:37 »
all truth goes through three stages. first it is ridiculed. then it is violently opposed. finally it is accepted as self-evident.

*

Offline Ethos_

  • Neilep Level Member
  • ******
  • 1296
    • View Profile
Re: Theory of light
« Reply #109 on: 21/05/2015 13:20:01 »
all truth goes through three stages. first it is ridiculed. then it is violently opposed. finally it is accepted as self-evident.
And all the bull s_1t also goes through three stages. First it is eaten, then it is scrutinized, and finally it's excreted.
« Last Edit: 21/05/2015 22:27:02 by Ethos_ »
"The more things change, the more they remain the same."

*

Offline jccc

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • 990
    • View Profile
Re: Theory of light
« Reply #110 on: 21/05/2015 13:42:24 »
yes, such as flat earth, gravitron, photon. time will tell.

*

Offline Thebox

  • Neilep Level Member
  • ******
  • 3249
    • View Profile
Re: Theory of light
« Reply #111 on: 22/05/2015 19:11:16 »
yes, such as flat earth, gravitron, photon. time will tell.

I like your wavelength JCCC, consider that emr to be like  a constant energy channel with no net charge, all values are zero unless by interaction.  Interaction being matter or observer effect that makes a net charge.

i.e I send a carrier wave through the constant such as satellite signal. A stream through the zero.

Now consider matter and Protons and einsteins photon electrical effect, matter emits light that travels through the light, a sort of fibre optic signalling.


Consider light opposes light, two streams travelling opposing directions.


quarks attract quarks, so protons attract protons, electrons emitted from the charged protons oppose incoming light.

This is gravity dude.  The photon electrical effect is the mechanism.


''LIGHT HAS BEEN put to work generating the same force that makes airplanes fly, a study appearing online December 5 in Nature Photonics shows. With the right design, a uniform stream of light has pushed tiny objects in much the same way that an airplane wing hoists a 747 off the ground.''

http://www.wired.com/2010/12/laser-light-can-lift-tiny-objects/


Because matter emits an equal and opposing electrical field.




« Last Edit: 22/05/2015 19:35:53 by Thebox »

*

Offline jccc

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • 990
    • View Profile
Re: Theory of light
« Reply #112 on: 22/05/2015 19:34:26 »
i don't have wave length, due to i don't vibrate, my force field is not moving.

if i shake my head 4 x 10^14 times per second, the sky around me will turn red.

if you shake your head 8 x 10^14 times per second, your sky will be blue.

bet?

*

Offline Thebox

  • Neilep Level Member
  • ******
  • 3249
    • View Profile
Re: Theory of light
« Reply #113 on: 22/05/2015 19:38:07 »
i don't have wave length, due to i don't vibrate, my force field is not moving.

if i shake my head 4 x 10^14 times per second, the sky around me will turn red.

if you shake your head 8 x 10^14 times per second, your sky will be blue.

bet?


you would black out and see nothing

*

Offline jccc

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • 990
    • View Profile
Re: Theory of light
« Reply #114 on: 22/05/2015 20:40:21 »
got me that 1

*

Offline Airthumbs

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • 958
  • Personal Text
    • View Profile
Re: Is zero g force traveling possible
« Reply #115 on: 01/06/2015 03:52:13 »
Ever see an electron?
Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction. (Einstein)

*

Offline jccc

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • 990
    • View Profile
Re: Re: Is zero g force traveling possible
« Reply #116 on: 01/06/2015 04:19:10 »
Ever see an electron?

i  did not. scientists did.

they say electron has energy levels and shells, every shell can occupy 2 electrons the most.

they see electrons emit photons, many colors.

*

Offline PmbPhy

  • Neilep Level Member
  • ******
  • 2804
    • View Profile
Re: Re: Is zero g force traveling possible
« Reply #117 on: 01/06/2015 04:52:42 »
Quote from: jccc
they see electrons emit photons, many colors.
Wrong. Electrons don't emit photons. Atoms do.
« Last Edit: 01/06/2015 06:39:09 by PmbPhy »

*

Offline jccc

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • 990
    • View Profile
Re: Re: Is zero g force traveling possible
« Reply #118 on: 01/06/2015 05:35:02 »
Quote from: jccc
they see electrons emit photons, many colors.
[/quote
Wrong. Electrons don't emit photons. Atoms do.

atoms exited and vibrate? so they produce gravitational waves?

*

Offline jccc

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • 990
    • View Profile
Re: Re: Is zero g force traveling possible
« Reply #119 on: 01/06/2015 05:38:40 »
no wonder box and i shake our heads until black out.

*

Offline PmbPhy

  • Neilep Level Member
  • ******
  • 2804
    • View Profile
Re: Re: Is zero g force traveling possible
« Reply #120 on: 01/06/2015 06:39:48 »
Quote from: jccc
no wonder box and i shake our heads until black out.
Why is that? Is it because you insist of confusing quantum mechanics with classical mechanics?

*

Offline jccc

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • 990
    • View Profile
Re: Re: Is zero g force traveling possible
« Reply #121 on: 01/06/2015 06:47:32 »
we try so hard to shine some light on science.

too bad we both black out before reach the visible frequency.

*

Offline PmbPhy

  • Neilep Level Member
  • ******
  • 2804
    • View Profile
Re: Re: Is zero g force traveling possible
« Reply #122 on: 01/06/2015 06:52:14 »
we try so hard to shine some light on science.

too bad we both black out before reach the visible frequency.
Again you're writing meaningless posts.

*

Offline jccc

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • 990
    • View Profile
Re: Re: Is zero g force traveling possible
« Reply #123 on: 01/06/2015 07:00:43 »
Quote from: jccc
they see electrons emit photons, many colors.
Wrong. Electrons don't emit photons. Atoms do.

so how atoms emit photons?

this is from wiki, is it correct? thanks!

The frequencies of light that an atom can emit are dependent on states the electrons can be in. When excited, an electron moves to a higher energy level or orbital. When the electron falls back to its ground level the light is emitted.

*

Offline PmbPhy

  • Neilep Level Member
  • ******
  • 2804
    • View Profile
Re: Re: Is zero g force traveling possible
« Reply #124 on: 01/06/2015 07:39:00 »
Quote from: jccc
so how atoms emit photons?
When the wave function of the electron changes state from one energy eigenstate to another then a photon is released. When you start asking for mechanisms you're not going to get anywhere because it doesn't exist beyond that. It's well known that when studying quantum mechanics and people start asking "how can that be" then they go down the drain.

Quote from: jccc
this is from wiki, is it correct? thanks!
What's from wiki? What I said? Hardly! I learned it when I studied quantum mechanics as an undergraduate and in graduate school.

Quote from: jccc
The frequencies of light that an atom can emit are dependent on states the electrons can be in. When excited, an electron moves to a higher energy level or orbital. When the electron falls back to its ground level the light is emitted.
So. You finally get it, huh? It reality that's an approximation, i.e. it's really the atom that changes from one energy eigenstate to another, not merely the electron. The potential energy exists between the nucleus and the electron, not merely the electron in a potential field.

*

Offline jccc

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • 990
    • View Profile
Re: Theory of light
« Reply #125 on: 22/06/2015 19:25:18 »
results in the double slit experiment, if explained by gravitational wave between the source, target and detector, there would be no magic/mystery.

please think about it, you may see new light.

*

Offline jccc

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • 990
    • View Profile
Re: Theory of light
« Reply #126 on: 24/06/2015 23:29:09 »
light was not there before you detect it.

light is gravitational wave between the source atoms and the target/detector atoms.

*

Offline chiralSPO

  • Global Moderator
  • Neilep Level Member
  • *****
  • 1932
    • View Profile
Re: Theory of light
« Reply #127 on: 25/06/2015 21:38:06 »
We already describe light as a wave. An ELECTROMAGNETIC wave. I see no way that calling it a gravitational wave adds any clarity to the double slit experiment. We also have very solid proof that light is electromagnetic (we can measure its electric and magnetic properties; we can generate it with machines that create oscillating electric fields or magnetic fields; etc.)

To my knowledge we have not measured any gravitational waves yet...

*

Offline jccc

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • 990
    • View Profile
Re: Theory of light
« Reply #128 on: 25/06/2015 22:26:23 »
both fields have force carrier, atoms.

oscillating atoms produce those vibrating fields propagate at c, not those field self recreate and propagate.

we measure em wave all the time, we don't see em wave as gravitational wave, because misunderstanding the nature of gravity.

if you realized gravity is in fact as i suggested, net electrostatic force between all charges within masses. you should see what i see.

all atoms/masses are connected by gravity all the time. the force between them transfer energy without medium or contact. the distance between atoms govern the strength of the force and the  time needed to transfer.

so nice you join the discussing, i thought i am in the icebox alone.

*

Offline jccc

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • 990
    • View Profile
Re: Is light a Gravitational Wave?
« Reply #129 on: 05/07/2015 01:30:42 »
Quote from: Jasper Hayden
after i understood light is gravitational wave produced by exited atoms, i am sure there is no photon.
...Sounds interesting. I want to know more about it, please!
Please take note of the fact that you're asking a known crackpot to explain his nonsense with you.

Look... Mr. Peter (I'm younger than you and less knowledgeable. Hence, 'Mr.'. I hope it didn't offend you in any way), he hasn't yet been disrespectful to me in any way and neither has he shown any other signs of being a crackpot... Atleast not to me. I'm the kind of person who likes to learn from my own mistakes. Maybe he is a crackpot in your opinion, but in my world he is still a polite person who just wants to discuss his theories with us. I might change this opinion later if he evolves to be the kind of person who just claims 'He knows it all' and 'You are all wrong'. But, right now, to me, he is just like any of you. 
By the way, I like to be explicit... So I wanted to tell you this one other thing.
I mean you know it already, but yeah I'm going to restate it for the sake of other members. I'm still learning quantum mechanics and surely am less knowledgeable than any of you as of this moment. So Jccc shouldn't be very happy to have me on his side, believing in his theory since, like I just said 'I'm learning quantum mechanics'. Maybe I might disagree with Jccc later (After being completely aware of every aspect of quantum mechanics) but right now I find his theory more feasible than atoms emitting photons.
 As soon as you confirm my knowledge on photons be answering my previous post... I will declare with full confidence if I still believe in Jccc's theories or Am on the side of the members who disagrees with him.
That's all I had to say and I hope you try to understand my true intention and do not, in any way find this post offensive. I respect all of you on here and am honoured to be a part of this forum, I truly Am!

wonder where is he now? why leave this forum?