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i read it, not agree. i think em force and gravitation force are the same force. if the moon suddenly becomes a proton star, only carries n amount of positive charges, let's see the force between moon and earth. set earth has m protons and m electrons.the attraction between moon proton and earth electron is n x m, the repulsion between earth proton and moon proton is also n x m. it should be no net force. but in reality, induce made the net em forces an attraction which proportional to the product of charges/masses.if the moon becomes an electron star, we get the same amount of em attraction force/gravity.
gravity wave is produced by vibrating mess/charge, how could a star or the earth vibrate at high frequency? only atoms able to vibrate at high frequency to produce detectable waves.
It works on any size that electrostatics works at. This certainly includes the macroscopic scale--for instance if you take an inflated balloon, rub it on your head and use it to pick up small things like feathers or paper slips or stick it on the wall (//www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYLyi7o8zoQ and //www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3DOmpSRXmU The balloon gets a charge, and it is attracted to the wall, even though the wall is neutral.Now, if you put enough charge on the moon that electrostatic force on the Earth was substantial, the moon would probably start "throwing" charged dust off its surface.
well, if the moon were *all* proton, the moon would explode.but, if we imagine that it doesn't somehow, Earth's electrons would ultimately find their way to the moon until the moon and Earth had equal pull on the remaining electrons.If the moon had a major charge imbalance, and were similarly prevented from destroying itself, I would predict the electrons stay on the Earth, but that the Earth would be polarized.
Alan,i always say/think orbitals are imaginary, i never said gravity has anything to do with it.you are at it again! created words/ideas for me.
if the electron possible to discharge from earth atom into positive charged far away moon, why can't it discharge into own nucleus?
Quote from: jccc on 26/04/2015 19:07:02if the electron possible to discharge from earth atom into positive charged far away moon, why can't it discharge into own nucleus?Because the strong force is dominant at the nuclear level and overcomes the electrostatic force.
Quote from: jccc on 26/04/2015 20:13:31Alan,i always say/think orbitals are imaginary, i never said gravity has anything to do with it.you are at it again! created words/ideas for me.I find it amazing how someone like you who has almost no understanding of quantum mechanics can claim that orbitals are imaginary when in fact you don't have the skills to make such arguments or to theorize why orbitals would be imaginary. lt's quite clear that you don't know what you're talking about and know that you're unable to produce a logical argument to support your claims. All you've done since you've got here is make random statements with no thought put into them.
If I may speak for Pete, the problem is that QM is fairly straight forward for someone who can do multivariate differential and integral calculus and simple differential equations (though it still takes a lot of effort to make sure it all makes sense), and nearly impossible to "prove" anything to someone who lacks those tools.The "logic" of quantum mechanics is totally at odds with what we observe in the macroscopic world, but totally in line with (fairly) simple mathematical equations.It may have been Feynman who said "shut up and calculate" (though some attribute it to Mermin)
i am not seeking the prove of the equations. i want to learn the logic to make those equations.
Quote from: jccc on 27/04/2015 03:32:59i am not seeking the prove of the equations. i want to learn the logic to make those equations.Expend the effort to learn the equations and the logic will follow. Shut the ____ up and calculate!!!!!!
Pete, since day 1 i came to this forum, you said the same thing over and over.if you really understand qm, please tell me the mechanism of energy level and orbital?attack my theory/idea/logic, not my education/personal, please be professional, and friendly.