Air pressure keeps all grounded and gravity does not exist?

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Exactly as stated.who agrees that air pressure is gravity and that there are no attractions in nature except for obvious ones?

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Exactly as stated.who agrees that air pressure is gravity and that there are no attractions in nature except for obvious ones?

So if we put a steel ball in a vacuum chamber it would be weightless?
and the misguided shall lead the gullible,
the feebleminded have inherited the earth.

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I don't think that air pressure is responsible for gravitational attraction.

Our moon is held to the Earth by gravity, and it is many many thousands of miles above where our atmosphere ends (there is no obvious boundry to our atmosphere, but it is negligible beyond a few hundred miles above the ground)

Similarly, gravity holds the Earth to the Sun, and that is many millions of miles away (and with even less "air pressure" between us)

Similarly the whole galaxy is held together by gravity, with essentially no air pressure around to blame.

You can also do some experiments at home to show they different forces of pressure and gravity, including the one mentioned by Colin:

So if we put a steel ball in a vacuum chamber it would be weightless?

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OK then tell me what you think causes the air pressure. Why doesn't the air just dissipate? It gets less dense and therefore the pressure drops with altitude. Try breathing at high altitude. You seem to be good at asking questions. Give me some sensible answers.

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Jeffrey's given you the answer - air pressure is caused by gravity, so where's your air pressure going to come from if you do away with gravity?

Another thing you might want to consider (and thanks to TheBox for providing this thought in another thread): if you jump out of a plane, why do you fall rather than just float where you are, held up by the air pressure below you which is slighly higher than the pressure above?
« Last Edit: 14/05/2015 18:41:20 by David Cooper »

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Exactly as stated.who agrees that air pressure is gravity and that there are no attractions in nature except for obvious ones?

So if we put a steel ball in a vacuum chamber it would be weightless?
No.Vacuum is the lightest on earth, and a perfect vacuum is impossible to replicate. Although we can remove 98% air,theres many other molecules and pressures at work here. Im a novice here, but I want to be the first to question theories like gravity.

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Exactly as stated.who agrees that air pressure is gravity and that there are no attractions in nature except for obvious ones?
Anybody who believes that doesn't know what they're talking about.

For example; this "theory" can't account for planetary motion such as the moon orbiting the Earth or the Earth orbiting the Sun.
« Last Edit: 14/05/2015 20:46:58 by PmbPhy »

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I don't think that air pressure is responsible for gravitational attraction.

Our moon is held to the Earth by gravity, and it is many many thousands of miles above where our atmosphere ends (there is no obvious boundry to our atmosphere, but it is negligible beyond a few hundred miles above the ground)

Similarly, gravity holds the Earth to the Sun, and that is many millions of miles away (and with even less "air pressure" between us)

Similarly the whole galaxy is held together by gravity, with essentially no air pressure around to blame.

But the attraction of us and the sun is not 100% proven. There are many theories of the movements of the solar system. Some say the were all moving in a DNA spiral movement. The attraction of everything could be like elements like the salty water on earth attracts the sodium atmosphere of the moon, maybe showing the internal elements of the moon. Im no scientist in any way, just trying to come up with a solid explanation to what keeps us on the earth.

You can also do some experiments at home to show they different forces of pressure and gravity, including the one mentioned by Colin:

So if we put a steel ball in a vacuum chamber it would be weightless?

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simply no, the hammer fell to the moons surface and the astronauts did not fly off the moon into space, their rocket stayed put, just fine.

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simply no, the hammer fell to the moons surface and the astronauts did not fly off the moon into space, their rocket stayed put, just fine.

The moon landing is only a video. What happened there is based on what we have been told. The moon does have an atmosphere of sodium I believe and they haven't been back there since the 70s. Strange

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Re: Air pressure keeps all grounded and gravity does not exist?
« Reply #10 on: 14/05/2015 21:30:37 »
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Exactly as stated.who agrees that air pressure is gravity and that there are no attractions in nature except for obvious ones?
Anybody who believes that doesn't know what they're talking about.

For example; this "theory" can't account for planetary motion such as the moon orbiting the Earth or the Earth orbiting the Sun.

I think im trying to suggest that air pressure does the majority of 90% pushing us to the earth and the the earths pull is more like the other 10%.
We are told that that's how it is, but I disagree.

Its all buoyancy solely. If an uninflated balloon is thrown in the air, it falls quickly. Now inflate with your own breath, and the balloon is very light indeed. Now inflate with the surrounding air, or pure air and the balloon will be even lighter. So merely expanding the vessel and increasing surface area, weve defied gravity. The balloon should fall to the ground quicker.

I don't know what im on about, but I reckon I have an answer for most theories to an extent.

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Re: Air pressure keeps all grounded and gravity does not exist?
« Reply #11 on: 14/05/2015 22:02:54 »
simply no, the hammer fell to the moons surface and the astronauts did not fly off the moon into space, their rocket stayed put, just fine.

The moon landing is only a video. What happened there is based on what we have been told. The moon does have an atmosphere of sodium I believe and they haven't been back there since the 70s. Strange

They have not been back to the moon because it is simply not very interesting,  we would rather land on a moving comet, which we have done. 

Air pressure may contribute a small percent contribution towards objects being on the ground, however this is negligible when considering dust particles blow about in a slight breeze.  The main contribution is mass and density.  The earth has a much greater mass than the moon. 

added - consider we can jump and force the air out of the way with little force.

when you jump the air does not push you back to the ground, the ground pulls you back to the ground.  The same happens on the moon with no air.

Your confusing the force of wind, wind being accelerated air etc, often blowing sideways and not pushing  down at you.





 
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Re: Air pressure keeps all grounded and gravity does not exist?
« Reply #12 on: 14/05/2015 22:41:20 »
Since I have absolutely no respect for those who thinks that Lunar landing was a hoax I'm bowing out of this debate.

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Re: Air pressure keeps all grounded and gravity does not exist?
« Reply #13 on: 15/05/2015 08:10:58 »
simply no, the hammer fell to the moons surface and the astronauts did not fly off the moon into space, their rocket stayed put, just fine.
They have not been back to the moon because it is simply not very interesting,  we would rather land on a moving comet, which we have done. 

Air pressure may contribute a small percent contribution towards objects being on the ground, however this is negligible when considering dust particles blow about in a slight breeze.  The main contribution is mass and density.  The earth has a much greater mass than the moon. 

added - consider we can jump and force the air out of the way with little force.

when you jump the air does not push you back to the ground, the ground pulls you back to the ground.  The same happens on the moon with no air.

Your confusing the force of wind, wind being accelerated air etc, often blowing sideways and not pushing  down at you.

I don't usually quote long posts in their entirety, but I make an exception here.

These 2posts are the most understandable and rational you have ever posted - if that's not insulting you!

Just 2small points:

"The main contribution is mass and density"
Density is another way of 'saying' mass (depending on your religion [:)]). It takes account of volume so is a measure of the concentration of mass. When considering gravity we only use mass to calculate the force.

"we would rather land on a moving comet, which we have done"
Who is we? Do you mean the scientists and engineers who use science (which has got everything wrong) to build the spacecraft and control it?

Whatever, we are wasting our time here. Anyone who believes what this poster believes will believe anything and no one will convince him otherwise.

One final thought, you obviously disagree with his views and consider the  science faulty, yet he clearly believes it and thinks you are looking at it all wrong. His position on his views relative to yours is similar to yours relative to ours; so what makes him wrong and you right?

Anyway, I don't have time to waste on his thread, so I'm out.
« Last Edit: 15/05/2015 08:58:08 by Colin2B »
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Re: Air pressure keeps all grounded and gravity does not exist?
« Reply #14 on: 15/05/2015 09:37:13 »
THEBOX: Keep on learning it looks like you are going in the right direction. It may take a while but don't give up.

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Re: Air pressure keeps all grounded and gravity does not exist?
« Reply #15 on: 15/05/2015 12:01:51 »
One last thing. If a sphere contains a vacuum rather than being solid his theory should give to same value. I.e. the gravitational field would then be a function of geometry alone and would be independent of the mass of the gravitating body, contrary to observation.
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Re: Air pressure keeps all grounded and gravity does not exist?
« Reply #16 on: 15/05/2015 12:25:08 »
when you jump the air does not push you back to the ground, the ground pulls you back to the ground.  The same happens on the moon with no air.

Your confusing the force of wind, wind being accelerated air etc, often blowing sideways and not pushing  down at you.

Just to add to my earlier post #13
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One final thought, you obviously disagree with his views and consider the  science faulty, yet he clearly believes it and thinks you are looking at it all wrong. His position on his views relative to yours is similar to yours relative to ours; so what makes him wrong and you right?

His view is that the air pushes down. He could say that this is charged air attracted to opposite charged earth, after all you have used similar arguments. He says moon has sodium atmosphere, so again charged atoms push down. Look at what PmbPhy says in previous post.
I don't see how you can disprove this without quoting wiki or mainstream science, which he will not accept! You are just using book learning to try and disprove his logical reasoning.

« Last Edit: 15/05/2015 12:27:23 by Colin2B »
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« Reply #17 on: 15/05/2015 19:20:10 »
Well, here it goes. I person should not feel ashamed to express his theory. That's why this is a new theory forum.Ok, so I have expressed my views.I have not stated that all we have learnt is wrong etc etc etc.I sharing my alternate view,not disproving everything.But if gravity is still a theory, then there is no definite, which I cannot disprove a theory.Kappish.So, if mythbusters had a crack at identifying and putting attraction scenarios into different piles, im saying that planets attration and us staying put on earth could be 2 different things.I asked the question if anyone agrees that it could be plausible. Of which none of you agree.So I am mearly being told im wrong about someone elses theory of gravity.attraction and repulsion are the only 2 things happening in everyday life.

If you all look into how much force is upon us,they say its a ton of air pressure acting on humans.how can a deflated balloon drop to the floor, yet an inflated 1 drift in the air.displacement.when you put your hand next to the toilet paper hanging down and pull ur hand away quickly.it follows ur hand-ish.this is displacement of molecules.if air can hold a plane in the air,it must be pretty dense.so an entire earths low atmosphere is forcing anything down that exceeds its density in molecules.everything is made of o2 like steel or iron which has 4 oxygen molecules I think.if we looked at our world in this vision, it would be amazing to show this in experiments.if u inflate a balloon with helium,and its floats to the ceiling,thats exactly what could be happening to us in the opposite direction. 

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« Reply #18 on: 15/05/2015 21:40:44 »
People have not told you you're wrong by pointing to other theories and asserting that they are right, but by taking your theory and showing you that it's wrong. Your air pressure is driven by gravity, but you deny the gravity so you lose all the air pressure.

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« Reply #19 on: 16/05/2015 21:54:22 »
People have not told you you're wrong by pointing to other theories and asserting that they are right, but by taking your theory and showing you that it's wrong. Your air pressure is driven by gravity, but you deny the gravity so you lose all the air pressure.

How can air pressure be driven by gravity?When you ram a load of helium into a tank,gravity is not present.Someone mentioned density and mass being the same thing.It is and I agree.what stops us floating off into space.well if you took all the o2 out of everything on earth and the solar system and replaced with helium,nothing would bond,and the entire solar system would possibly fall apart.

Newton and Einstein left us with theories,but no hard evidence.Theories-thats it.Mathematics is a way of making sense of what we already know and teaching it to the next generation.

My theory says that oxygen enables attraction of all heavenly bodies and keeps us to the ground.This is based on oxygen playing different roles when combined with different elements,pressures and temperatures.It makes perfect sense to me-Im just trying to convince 1 other person with intellect to agree with me(thinking outside the box).I wouldn't come on a serious chatroom like this of which I have encountered the same peoples responses-and I didn't say man didn't land on the moon-I really do not have an agenda with that,

Life at ground level is all at the same pressure-all mammals/plants etc.Our bodies are designed like this.Without oxygen,the human body would lose 65% capacity and what is left is still more dense than the outer gases and elements of which-a sphere without oxygen in space(perfect vacuum)would still be pressurised together in a more dusty ball of remainding gases and carbons.The entire solar system is made from a combination of gases.from the human body to making steel-which requires a certain amount of oxygen to keep it together.oh and metals in space do erode due to the vacuum of space.

Every question that I have ever thought of,science has proved me right-God,I love google-but this is only a theory!Peace

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Re: Air pressure keeps all grounded and gravity does not exist?
« Reply #20 on: 17/05/2015 00:22:48 »
How can air pressure be driven by gravity?When you ram a load of helium into a tank,gravity is not present.

Where's your container with the Earth? Why doesn't the air pressure just blow the whole lot out into space? If you take a tank of any gas you fancy into space and open it, the whole lot will drift away and not hang about in a blob around you. It takes a lot of mass and a lot of gravity to hold it down.

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« Reply #21 on: 17/05/2015 09:00:28 »
How can air pressure be driven by gravity?When you ram a load of helium into a tank,gravity is not present.

Where's your container with the Earth? Why doesn't the air pressure just blow the whole lot out into space? If you take a tank of any gas you fancy into space and open it, the whole lot will drift away and not hang about in a blob around you. It takes a lot of mass and a lot of gravity to hold it down.

First checkout "two ways to float a balloon without helium" on youtube.-that what got me started on this theory I guess in a way.

Ok.were getting somewhere.look up "air in space" on youtube and you will see a similar experiment with air in a water bubble in microgravity on some sort of spacestation.look at experiments of what happens in space to different things like water and a match etc.does microgravity mean it wasn't done in space itself-still interesting.

the air is pressurized by the outer layers of the atmospheres as air is denser and trapped in the centre of the sphere of earth.letting off a gas in space will indeed dissipate as a human in space would not have any gas inside it whatsoever,so no attraction there.thats why it wouldn't hang in a blob around us.unrecorded experiments on youtube will prove my theory.

the only thing doubting me is why there is no gravity on a spaceship in space?maybe this because theres not enough gas inside the spaceship to force anything anywhere.

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« Reply #22 on: 17/05/2015 16:14:54 »
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the only thing doubting me is why there is no gravity on a spaceship in space?
You do know the reason given by mainstream physics, don't you?

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« Reply #23 on: 17/05/2015 17:04:57 »
Mainstream physics.They said Columbus discovered America which is mainstream news.You do know that's not true.right?

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« Reply #24 on: 17/05/2015 17:37:58 »
Mainstream physics.They said Columbus discovered America which is mainstream news.You do know that's not true.right?


Is this thread still going?

Gazza it is  very simple no, and not worth even trying to argue when there is physical evidence that shows air pressure does not hold us to the surface.


Do you own a set of scales?


put on it a 1oz weight,


Do you own a barometer?


witness low and high pressure readings


OBSERVE on the scales , low or high pressure on the barometer, the 1oz stays at 1 oz.


This is because 1oz is the objects mass that is influenced by the Earth's mass. The earth has a greater mass , so attracts the object.






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Re: Air pressure keeps all grounded and gravity does not exist?
« Reply #25 on: 17/05/2015 17:40:32 »
Mainstream physics.They said Columbus discovered America which is mainstream news.You do know that's not true.right?


Is this thread still going?

Gazza it is  very simple no, and not worth even trying to argue when there is physical evidence that shows air pressure does not hold us to the surface.


Do you own a set of scales?


put on it a 1oz weight,


Do you own a barometer?


witness low and high pressure readings


OBSERVE on the scales , low or high pressure on the barometer, the 1oz stays at 1 oz.


This is because 1oz is the objects mass that is influenced by the Earth's mass. The earth has a greater mass , so attracts the object.

I'll be the first to say it: you just got owned by TheBox!

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Re: Air pressure keeps all grounded and gravity does not exist?
« Reply #26 on: 17/05/2015 18:13:06 »
Mainstream physics.They said Columbus discovered America which is mainstream news.You do know that's not true.right?


Is this thread still going?

Gazza it is  very simple no, and not worth even trying to argue when there is physical evidence that shows air pressure does not hold us to the surface.


Do you own a set of scales?


put on it a 1oz weight,


Do you own a barometer?


witness low and high pressure readings


OBSERVE on the scales , low or high pressure on the barometer, the 1oz stays at 1 oz.


This is because 1oz is the objects mass that is influenced by the Earth's mass. The earth has a greater mass , so attracts the object.

Man says "I just got owned".Take a 10 ton anvil and put a grain of sand next to it.
Q-Do they attract.
Now do this in space
A-nothing happened
Orbiting and trying to catch a rocket is simply displacement or bending spacetime I think its called.So being owned is mearly believing some guy who had a eureka moment when an apple fell on his head.

Seriously-until gravity is a fact,nobody is right.And my air pressure is more to do with the weight of the air concentrated on everything we see.if all we know is magnetism/electrical attraction how are objects attracted.Im merely saying that it the common element of everything doing this.

Ed Leedskalnin at coral castle apparently levitated stuff.No-one can prove he did or he didn't-so once again,just a theory.But the Egyptians left us evidence he did-please explain that one.

really appreciate the debate here. if I have annoyed anyone,dont mean to but got no one to listen to me-LOL xxx

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Re: Air pressure keeps all grounded and gravity does not exist?
« Reply #27 on: 17/05/2015 18:28:43 »
Mainstream physics.They said Columbus discovered America which is mainstream news.You do know that's not true.right?


Is this thread still going?

Gazza it is  very simple no, and not worth even trying to argue when there is physical evidence that shows air pressure does not hold us to the surface.


Do you own a set of scales?


put on it a 1oz weight,


Do you own a barometer?


witness low and high pressure readings


OBSERVE on the scales , low or high pressure on the barometer, the 1oz stays at 1 oz.


This is because 1oz is the objects mass that is influenced by the Earth's mass. The earth has a greater mass , so attracts the object.

Man says "I just got owned".Take a 10 ton anvil and put a grain of sand next to it.
Q-Do they attract.
Now do this in space
A-nothing happened
Orbiting and trying to catch a rocket is simply displacement or bending spacetime I think its called.So being owned is mearly believing some guy who had a eureka moment when an apple fell on his head.

Seriously-until gravity is a fact,nobody is right.And my air pressure is more to do with the weight of the air concentrated on everything we see.if all we know is magnetism/electrical attraction how are objects attracted.Im merely saying that it the common element of everything doing this.

Ed Leedskalnin at coral castle apparently levitated stuff.No-one can prove he did or he didn't-so once again,just a theory.But the Egyptians left us evidence he did-please explain that one.

really appreciate the debate here. if I have annoyed anyone,dont mean to but got no one to listen to me-LOL xxx

Incorrect. put a ten ton anvil and a grain of rice on the earth, the earth's mass is greater than the rice and the anvil, this stops them attracting.

drop the grain of rice and the anvil, they both fall at a9.81m/s2  fact.

Now let us refer to space, everything in the entire visual Universe is in constant movement, there is nothing that remains still, why?  gravity.  The anvil and the rice in space will start to move, it will be attracted to gravity by mass.

What you are not considering is your own thoughts, you are looking for the mechanism of gravity which is an unknown. 

I suggest you start with working out what mass is. Also you may need to become a mathematician,







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Re: Air pressure keeps all grounded and gravity does not exist?
« Reply #28 on: 17/05/2015 19:08:25 »
Mainstream physics.They said Columbus discovered America which is mainstream news.You do know that's not true.right?


Is this thread still going?

Gazza it is  very simple no, and not worth even trying to argue when there is physical evidence that shows air pressure does not hold us to the surface.


Do you own a set of scales?


put on it a 1oz weight,


Do you own a barometer?


witness low and high pressure readings


OBSERVE on the scales , low or high pressure on the barometer, the 1oz stays at 1 oz.


This is because 1oz is the objects mass that is influenced by the Earth's mass. The earth has a greater mass , so attracts the object.

Man says "I just got owned".Take a 10 ton anvil and put a grain of sand next to it.
Q-Do they attract.
Now do this in space
A-nothing happened
Orbiting and trying to catch a rocket is simply displacement or bending spacetime I think its called.So being owned is mearly believing some guy who had a eureka moment when an apple fell on his head.

Seriously-until gravity is a fact,nobody is right.And my air pressure is more to do with the weight of the air concentrated on everything we see.if all we know is magnetism/electrical attraction how are objects attracted.Im merely saying that it the common element of everything doing this.

Ed Leedskalnin at coral castle apparently levitated stuff.No-one can prove he did or he didn't-so once again,just a theory.But the Egyptians left us evidence he did-please explain that one.

really appreciate the debate here. if I have annoyed anyone,dont mean to but got no one to listen to me-LOL xxx

Incorrect. put a ten ton anvil and a grain of rice on the earth, the earth's mass is greater than the rice and the anvil, this stops them attracting.

drop the grain of rice and the anvil, they both fall at a9.81m/s2  fact.

Now let us refer to space, everything in the entire visual Universe is in constant movement, there is nothing that remains still, why?  gravity.  The anvil and the rice in space will start to move, it will be attracted to gravity by mass.

What you are not considering is your own thoughts, you are looking for the mechanism of gravity which is an unknown. 

I suggest you start with working out what mass is. Also you may need to become a mathematician,

My entire point is that we cant prove things attract-so why state it without evidence.The master of Maths or an IQ of a million, you cant explain it and neither can the entire human race.Im trying to explain it.You all go by equations and common sense.

I think im better off on another forum which solely believes the same as me which there are 1000s.If this hasn't made people think twice,then u still believe a theory.

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« Reply #29 on: 17/05/2015 19:09:06 »
I recently heard a wonderful theory in which someone suggested that building a giant straw 200 miles high would lead to all the air being sucked out into space by the vacuum at the top. I don't think he believed in gravity either, so he imagined that high pressure would push gas to areas of lower pressure and therefore blow the Earth's atmosphere up the straw and away into space. Perhaps the two of you should join forces. It never occurred to him that the straw is superfluous, but perhaps it's a stepping stone to understanding that you might find useful.

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« Reply #30 on: 17/05/2015 19:43:07 »
I recently heard a wonderful theory in which someone suggested that building a giant straw 200 miles high would lead to all the air being sucked out into space by the vacuum at the top. I don't think he believed in gravity either, so he imagined that high pressure would push gas to areas of lower pressure and therefore blow the Earth's atmosphere up the straw and away into space. Perhaps the two of you should join forces. It never occurred to him that the straw is superfluous, but perhaps it's a stepping stone to understanding that you might find useful.

I never once said that air is trying to escape?Im still waiting for solid facts on attraction of objects(b).In the meantime,do the research on youtube I have suggested.high and low pressures don't matter.If you jump out of 747 at so many feet where the air is so thin and your body is expanding and you obviously weigh less,surely earths attraction is just as powerful within the outer sphere as outside the atmosphere?The pressure on ur body is higher at higher altitudes,so low pressure(higher altitudes) should be called something more severe.all things bright and beautiful have a common element and that's it.who would think the air was exerting pressure upwards?

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« Reply #31 on: 17/05/2015 19:48:16 »
I recently heard a wonderful theory in which someone suggested that building a giant straw 200 miles high would lead to all the air being sucked out into space by the vacuum at the top. I don't think he believed in gravity either, so he imagined that high pressure would push gas to areas of lower pressure and therefore blow the Earth's atmosphere up the straw and away into space. Perhaps the two of you should join forces. It never occurred to him that the straw is superfluous, but perhaps it's a stepping stone to understanding that you might find useful.

where do you hear these theories.gravity doesn't make wind blow and helium lighter than air.is that what you believe?

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« Reply #32 on: 17/05/2015 20:56:00 »


My entire point is that we cant prove things attract-so why state it without evidence.The master of Maths or an IQ of a million, you cant explain it and neither can the entire human race.Im trying to explain it.You all go by equations and common sense.

I think im better off on another forum which solely believes the same as me which there are 1000s.If this hasn't made people think twice,then u still believe a theory.

The thing is! we can prove it.   You may want to consider reading up on the Cavendish experiment before you make judgement.  You may want to consider a  falling object falls through air and not air pushes the object down.

By the way, I am the biggest internet crackpot, I have been on every single forum and have even suggested your idea, except with probably better argument.

No one believes air pressure pushes you to the ground because the evidence is substantial it does not. 

And I mean real physical evidence and not just say so.

I already have proven your idea to be not logical. Get over it and make a new theory, keep thinking, think about other things.

Gravity mechanism
what is time
just a couple of examples.


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« Reply #33 on: 17/05/2015 21:21:55 »
time is illusion, time is nothing but the passage of force in motion.
past and future only exit in our minds. we are living with now, within now and by now.

gravity is net electrostatic forces between all charges within matter, between matter, between all masses/bodies.

every positive charge on the moon attracts every negative charge and repel every positive charge on earth, the net electrostatic forces between all charges of the moon and the earth is always end up an attraction force due to electrostatic induction. that is the attraction force we called gravitation force.

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Re: Air pressure keeps all grounded and gravity does not exist?
« Reply #34 on: 17/05/2015 21:32:42 »
time is illusion  ,

time is nothing but the passage of force in motion.No, that is contradictory to time is an illusion, you then state it is something
past and future only exit in our minds. No, memories are the memory of real events in your life
we are living with now, within now and by now.We never live in a past , present or future, the now, moves on instantaneously

gravity is net electrostatic forces between all charges within matter, between matter, between all masses/bodies. Well yes I agree with that one for sure that it is along these lines.


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Re: Air pressure keeps all grounded and gravity does not exist?
« Reply #35 on: 17/05/2015 22:00:41 »
earth's mass is greater than the rice and the anvil, this stops them attracting.
Wrong


The thing is! we can prove it.   You may want to consider reading up on the Cavendish experiment before you make judgement.  You may want to consider a  falling object falls through air and not air pushes the object down.

And I mean real physical evidence and not just say so.

Pay no attention Gazza. I don't know who he thinks 'we' are, he's not a scientist he's just quoting wiki and book learning, he been indoctrinated like all the rest of them. He can't prove it, bet he's never actually done the experiment himself.
and the misguided shall lead the gullible,
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« Reply #36 on: 17/05/2015 23:51:26 »


gravity is net electrostatic forces between all charges within matter, between matter, between all masses/bodies. Well yes I agree with that one for sure that it is along these lines.


thank you for that. you are the first 1 agreed.

do you think anyone else will agree with us? do you think you will be banned if you suggest such idea in other forums?

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« Reply #37 on: 18/05/2015 00:00:09 »
The fat lady sang here a long time ago, and it was gravity that held her down. There is higher pressure under her than over her, so she would be forced upwards if there was no gravity. The error has been explained here in multiple ways and by many people. It's now down/up (is there such a thing) to Gazza to take that on board, or to go on ignoring it. There may be points beyond which some people cannot learn (most likely due to beliefs which they aren't prepared to question), and all attempts to help out may simply be futile as a result. If Gazza genuinely wants to understand this though, he ought to write some computer code to simulate the application of his theory, and then he'll see what happens if a force of gravity is left out. His theory will quickly dissipate along with his air pressure.

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« Reply #38 on: 18/05/2015 03:30:27 »
decent comment above!


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« Reply #39 on: 18/05/2015 08:59:38 »


gravity is net electrostatic forces between all charges within matter, between matter, between all masses/bodies. Well yes I agree with that one for sure that it is along these lines.


thank you for that. you are the first 1 agreed.

do you think anyone else will agree with us? do you think you will be banned if you suggest such idea in other forums?

Yes JCCC other forums will ban you, I have already suggested this several years ago and got banned.I have covered everything science as in my own way.




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Re: Air pressure keeps all grounded and gravity does not exist?
« Reply #40 on: 18/05/2015 09:10:04 »
The fat lady sang here a long time ago, and it was gravity that held her down. There is higher pressure under her than over her, so she would be forced upwards if there was no gravity. The error has been explained here in multiple ways and by many people. It's now down/up (is there such a thing) to Gazza to take that on board, or to go on ignoring it. There may be points beyond which some people cannot learn (most likely due to beliefs which they aren't prepared to question), and all attempts to help out may simply be futile as a result. If Gazza genuinely wants to understand this though, he ought to write some computer code to simulate the application of his theory, and then he'll see what happens if a force of gravity is left out. His theory will quickly dissipate along with his air pressure.

There is no presently universal up or down, up and down are arbitrary use the same as left and right.   That is why the brilliance of Mr Einstein give us XYZ, arbitrary but genius.


The real up and down definition on a spacial scale, is expand or contract space-time.   You jump up in the air you are expanding the space time between you and the  Earth.

Gravity has elastic properties, fire an arrow into the air vertically, the arrow cuts through the air as the air has little density. Gravity elasticity CBMR coupling to the arrow from the ground acts like an elastic band and slows down the arrow, the arrow then starts to twang back to the ground.

I experiment all the time with gravity, I am a carp angler, note not a carp fisherman. 

I use critical balancing in my presentation.

I can make a sinking 5 oz object hit the bottom with practically no force.  I can use vectors and hit a dust bin at 100 yrds with my bait.
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« Reply #41 on: 18/05/2015 17:17:46 »
Carp angler! Nice. It's only a small jump from there to carp physics.

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« Reply #42 on: 18/05/2015 20:38:21 »
Well the Cavendish experiment expresses that the stryrofoam is and isolator, that could be isolating the charge on the steel which the user transferred onto balls. If the same experiment was used with a shatterproof ruler instead of foam and copperinstead of lead-Would the experiment work.Ive seen a dripping kitchen tap light a lightbulb.Transfer of electrons most probably-busted.

How does the trick of finding water with sticks/twigs or  2 L shaped pieces of coathanger criss/crossing.

If air molecules move at 500m/s, check out the anti gravity wheel.If an object can travel faster than air in any direction,the is no longer a stationary force on the object which means it is not being pushed in any direction and proving centrifugal but not.Its simply the gases not getting a grip on the wheel to influence it down because the wheel is spinning faster maybe?

If no one check these experiments out and the one about floating a balloon without helium, then I need to say that I cant write formulas,but I bet someone can.I know you all think im mad,but ive seen more evidence that im right and attraction in nature has better answers than theories.



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« Reply #43 on: 18/05/2015 20:52:11 »
The fat lady sang here a long time ago, and it was gravity that held her down. There is higher pressure under her than over her, so she would be forced upwards if there was no gravity. The error has been explained here in multiple ways and by many people. It's now down/up (is there such a thing) to Gazza to take that on board, or to go on ignoring it. There may be points beyond which some people cannot learn (most likely due to beliefs which they aren't prepared to question), and all attempts to help out may simply be futile as a result. If Gazza genuinely wants to understand this though, he ought to write some computer code to simulate the application of his theory, and then he'll see what happens if a force of gravity is left out. His theory will quickly dissipate along with his air pressure.

There is no presently universal up or down, up and down are arbitrary use the same as left and right.   That is why the brilliance of Mr Einstein give us XYZ, arbitrary but genius.


The real up and down definition on a spacial scale, is expand or contract space-time.   You jump up in the air you are expanding the space time between you and the  Earth.

Gravity has elastic properties, fire an arrow into the air vertically, the arrow cuts through the air as the air has little density. Gravity elasticity CBMR coupling to the arrow from the ground acts like an elastic band and slows down the arrow, the arrow then starts to twang back to the ground.

I experiment all the time with gravity, I am a carp angler, note not a carp fisherman. 

I use critical balancing in my presentation.

I can make a sinking 5 oz object hit the bottom with practically no force.  I can use vectors and hit a dust bin at 100 yrds with my bait.

Yes.Great.When I go for a number 2,it drops into the toilet.This is all elementary the boxson,but if you froze water and removed the air,would it float or sink in the water,just like ur body when you expel the air out ur lungs,your slightly heavier that water but not much.hmm-you weigh how much?beacause the composition of humans is mostly water with 20% carbon and and 2-3% of other things.If a pin has a million molecules init and 5 oz object has a billion,buoyancy of gases/liquids/solids comes into play-don't forget all elements do different things at different temperatures,so on earths surface it might do one thing,but on a different planet/environment it will do soething different.

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« Reply #44 on: 18/05/2015 21:08:27 »


Yes.Great.When I go for a number 2,it drops into the toilet.This is all elementary the boxson,but if you froze water and removed the air,would it float or sink in the water,just like ur body when you expel the air out ur lungs,your slightly heavier that water but not much.hmm-you weigh how much?beacause the composition of humans is mostly water with 20% carbon and and 2-3% of other things.If a pin has a million molecules init and 5 oz object has a billion,buoyancy of gases/liquids/solids comes into play-don't forget all elements do different things at different temperatures,so on earths surface it might do one thing,but on a different planet/environment it will do soething different.

Dude, smoke rises, there is no air pressure forcing the smoke to the floor.  Air rises, we do not become lighter, face the facts , you are talking rubbish mate, at least find something with a good logical argument
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« Reply #45 on: 18/05/2015 22:00:53 »


Yes.Great.When I go for a number 2,it drops into the toilet.This is all elementary the boxson,but if you froze water and removed the air,would it float or sink in the water,just like ur body when you expel the air out ur lungs,your slightly heavier that water but not much.hmm-you weigh how much?beacause the composition of humans is mostly water with 20% carbon and and 2-3% of other things.If a pin has a million molecules init and 5 oz object has a billion,buoyancy of gases/liquids/solids comes into play-don't forget all elements do different things at different temperatures,so on earths surface it might do one thing,but on a different planet/environment it will do soething different.

Dude, smoke rises, there is no air pressure forcing the smoke to the floor.  Air rises, we do not become lighter, face the facts , you are talking rubbish mate, at least find something with a good logical argument
This is my arguement.heated air rises.what smoke do you mean?most smoke has water vapour and is hot.urm.is there water pressure in rubber duck submerged under water.pressure is how many molecules within a given space.

This is a logical argument because you can't define what you see!

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« Reply #46 on: 19/05/2015 18:29:00 »


Yes.Great.When I go for a number 2,it drops into the toilet.This is all elementary the boxson,but if you froze water and removed the air,would it float or sink in the water,just like ur body when you expel the air out ur lungs,your slightly heavier that water but not much.hmm-you weigh how much?beacause the composition of humans is mostly water with 20% carbon and and 2-3% of other things.If a pin has a million molecules init and 5 oz object has a billion,buoyancy of gases/liquids/solids comes into play-don't forget all elements do different things at different temperatures,so on earths surface it might do one thing,but on a different planet/environment it will do soething different.

Dude, smoke rises, there is no air pressure forcing the smoke to the floor.  Air rises, we do not become lighter, face the facts , you are talking rubbish mate, at least find something with a good logical argument
This is my arguement.heated air rises.what smoke do you mean?most smoke has water vapour and is hot.urm.is there water pressure in rubber duck submerged under water.pressure is how many molecules within a given space.

This is a logical argument because you can't define what you see!

Yes heated air rises, but not because the air holds you to the ground or pushes you to the ground.   There are many bodies that are in space that are held together with no air on place.

Have you ever considered reading anybodies else's posts and theories?

You will find gravity mechanism is a lot deeper than air pressure.

Let us concentrate on air rises when it gains energy, myself assumes this to be anti-gravity.

Science assumes this to be buoyancy, the air expands making a less dense gas that then floats up through the denser air and gases.

In observation agreement we can add cold air underwater and observe the air floating to the surface confirming buoyancy.

Therefore it is hard to argue the facts of observation, cold and hot air rises. 

However, in a complex theory I have narrowed gravity down to atoms, Protons of an atom are attracted to Protons.

And in a complex situation of thermodynamics and entropy playing a part, and light coupling all matter, it gets complex.

I have had the same idea as yourself in the past, and if you dig deeper you will realise air  pressure is not an issue when considering and thinking about gravity.


A starting premise for debate would be air rises when ''charged'' and is opposed to gravity, and when air cools and loses it's ''charge'' gravity then has effect.


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« Reply #47 on: 19/05/2015 19:38:58 »
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Yes.Great.When I go for a number 2,it drops into the toilet.This is all elementary the boxson,but if you froze water and removed the air,would it float or sink in the water,just like ur body when you expel the air out ur lungs,your slightly heavier that water but not much.hmm-you weigh how much?beacause the composition of humans is mostly water with 20% carbon and and 2-3% of other things.If a pin has a million molecules init and 5 oz object has a billion,buoyancy of gases/liquids/solids comes into play-don't forget all elements do different things at different temperatures,so on earths surface it might do one thing,but on a different planet/environment it will do soething different.

Dude, smoke rises, there is no air pressure forcing the smoke to the floor.  Air rises, we do not become lighter, face the facts , you are talking rubbish mate, at least find something with a good logical argument
This is my arguement.heated air rises.what smoke do you mean?most smoke has water vapour and is hot.urm.is there water pressure in rubber duck submerged under water.pressure is how many molecules within a given space.

This is a logical argument because you can't define what you see!
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Yes heated air rises, but not because the air holds you to the ground or pushes you to the ground.   There are many bodies that are in space that are held together with no air on place.

Have you ever considered reading anybodies else's posts and theories?

You will find gravity mechanism is a lot deeper than air pressure.

Let us concentrate on air rises when it gains energy, myself assumes this to be anti-gravity.

Science assumes this to be buoyancy, the air expands making a less dense gas that then floats up through the denser air and gases.

In observation agreement we can add cold air underwater and observe the air floating to the surface confirming buoyancy.

Therefore it is hard to argue the facts of observation, cold and hot air rises. 

However, in a complex theory I have narrowed gravity down to atoms, Protons of an atom are attracted to Protons.

And in a complex situation of thermodynamics and entropy playing a part, and light coupling all matter, it gets complex.

I have had the same idea as yourself in the past, and if you dig deeper you will realise air  pressure is not an issue when considering and thinking about gravity.


A starting premise for debate would be air rises when ''charged'' and is opposed to gravity, and when air cools and loses it's ''charge'' gravity then has effect.
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When I say air, that covers all of the gases on earth.We don't understand how viscous air is,but water acts the same way as "air".Theres a scientist call erik verlinde who explains this more scientificly and a bundle of other people that say a similar thing.Im mearly stating that the "air"in "total weight" is heavier than anything on earth.It itself in under pressure from space,so in turn is trying to balance out with space,but I believe the helium layer is a radioactive barrier stopping this possibly or contribute.if you put aninflated balloon in a vacuum,it will rise.hmm.#youtube.its simple to me.earth is neutral and always will be.statics in general has a "low limit" of use and couldn't lift a rock let alone attract like a magnet has an obvious positive and negative.

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Re: Air pressure keeps all grounded and gravity does not exist?
« Reply #48 on: 19/05/2015 19:51:30 »


When I say air, that covers all of the gases on earth.We don't understand how viscous air is,but water acts the same way as "air".Theres a scientist call erik verlinde who explains this more scientificly and a bundle of other people that say a similar thing.Im mearly stating that the "air"in "total weight" is heavier than anything on earth.It itself in under pressure from space,so in turn is trying to balance out with space,but I believe the helium layer is a radioactive barrier stopping this possibly or contribute.if you put aninflated balloon in a vacuum,it will rise.hmm.#youtube.its simple to me.earth is neutral and always will be.statics in general has a "low limit" of use and couldn't lift a rock let alone attract like a magnet has an obvious positive and negative.

You are not considering density, air is not dense, and neither is any other gas compared to a brick or ourselves.   We can easily displace air . 

Air simply does not have the density to push us down to the floor.  If you were in space where there is no air, the earth still pulls you ''down'' back to Earth. 

No air pressure and gravity still has effect.

Your logic is terrible.

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« Reply #49 on: 19/05/2015 21:18:21 »


When I say air, that covers all of the gases on earth.We don't understand how viscous air is,but water acts the same way as "air".Theres a scientist call erik verlinde who explains this more scientificly and a bundle of other people that say a similar thing.Im mearly stating that the "air"in "total weight" is heavier than anything on earth.It itself in under pressure from space,so in turn is trying to balance out with space,but I believe the helium layer is a radioactive barrier stopping this possibly or contribute.if you put aninflated balloon in a vacuum,it will rise.hmm.#youtube.its simple to me.earth is neutral and always will be.statics in general has a "low limit" of use and couldn't lift a rock let alone attract like a magnet has an obvious positive and negative.

You are not considering density, air is not dense, and neither is any other gas compared to a brick or ourselves.   We can easily displace air . 

Air simply does not have the density to push us down to the floor.  If you were in space where there is no air, the earth still pulls you ''down'' back to Earth. 

No air pressure and gravity still has effect.

Your logic is terrible.

youre only pulled to the earth within its outer spheres.when you blow a balloon up,its takes longer to fall.when you deflate it it falls straight to the ground.how can a hot air balloon lift a ton.

how do you explain the anti gravity wheel.#youtube.

when youre in space and dead still,earth aint gonna pull you towards it.no proof.unless your within its atmosphere.cavendish experiment still not explained anyone?how can you explain an example of two objects attracting.why does the moon cause waves.i say the moon is only attracted to the sodium in the water as its own atmosphere is sodium confirming the moon has a high content of sodium.

Logic is what im using.ur using text book.im not even educated in any field of science.im a chef and not remotely interested in any posts on here.why am I 1 of few including erik verlinde that thinks this.einstein opposed newtons equation and used his own.string theory and many more accepted.mine is called compact theory.

just read centrifugal forces lighter(less dense)gases to outside of sphere and so fourth.when we swim,we cant go down to low because of the weight of water on us.if heavy things don't go up or remain still,gravitation is what It is.