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Is there a simple way to detect gravitational waves?

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Re: Is there a simple way to detect gravitational waves?
« Reply #20 on: 07/06/2015 13:32:44 »
see if you can write right equation for atom first.

not even sure about atomic structure, the rest of science is unsure indeed.
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Re: Is there a simple way to detect gravitational waves?
« Reply #21 on: 22/06/2015 19:15:18 »
Quote from: jccc on 05/06/2015 13:35:22
Quote from: evan_au on 05/06/2015 13:02:28
Electromagnetism is a far more powerful force than gravitation.

Electromagnetic waves (light) are far more powerful than gravitational waves.
  • A single atom can produce detectable electromagnetic waves, but even a huge planet like Jupiter cannot produce detectable gravitational waves.
  • Single-celled algae can detect light, but so far a $300M detector has come up with no confirmed detection of gravitational waves. 

So, as for previous posts on this subject, the idea that light is a gravitational wave belongs in the New Theories forum.

how a single atom produce em waves? vibrating? or electron in the atom change orbit?

jupiter does not vibrate, no quake, therefore it produces no gravitational wave.

Thanks!

according to wiki, when a mass is accelerating it produces gravitational wave.

the hot atoms of the sun are constantly vibrating producing gravitational waves.

where that energy/force goes?

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Re: Is there a simple way to detect gravitational waves?
« Reply #22 on: 23/06/2015 11:02:27 »
the gravity between any 2 masses m1 and m1, F=G x /m1m2/r^2.

the gravitational wave strength is proportional to mass, also proportional to the atoms vibrating frequency.

only atoms able to vibrate at such high frequency. to accelerate a mass of 1 gram to vibrate at 10^14 times per second will need a lot of energy, we don't have the technology yet.

gravitational radiation is hard to detect? maybe just misunderstood?
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Re: Is there a simple way to detect gravitational waves?
« Reply #23 on: 23/06/2015 13:10:26 »
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Gravitational waves are caused by the loss of mass per unit time.
That is incorrect. Gravitational waves are caused by a time varying distribution of mass such as a binary star system where two stars are orbiting each other. There is certainly no "loss of mass per unit time" in cases but the distribution of mass does vary since the matter is accelerating. For a precise statement of the sources of gravitational waves please see: http://www.ligo.org/science/GW-Sources.php

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This converts physical mass into dark energy and the universe expands.
That is incorrect as well. There is no known process for which mass cannot be converted into dark energy. Why did you think so?

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The vibration of objects is a property such that you get vibrating gravitational fields which do have effects. It could be argued that these motions radiate the dot-waves over time.
I see you're still using a term that has no meaning in physics and for which you have constantly refused to define yourself. Would you care to define it for us or explain why you keep ignoring my request to do so? Or will you once again ignore this request and go on with business as usual?

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An electron is composed of 5.75037E41 dot-waves as per my Dot-wave theory.
More nonsense given that you refuse to define what you mean by "dot-wave." People who refuse to define their terms are crackpots.

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My work is mostly about writing the equations of the universe and the amount of dot-waves within it.
You haven't posted even one equation in this forum that I've see. Care to try now?

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Most of my work is done in my sleep and my dreams. I wake up and write down the equations.
You can't expect us to take you seriously when you say things like that. It's very vague and could be taken to mean that you'd like people to think that the equation was impressive, complicated and physically meaningful when in fact, if you actually did have such a dream, it might have been trivial such as y = ax + b. I'm not saying this to be rude whatsoever since I have no idea who you are. It's just that we get a lot of pretenders and wannabes who come in here putting on airs and trying to impress us.

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The problem is that I have an engineering mind ...
I don't understand. What is that supposed to mean? Are you actually an engineer?

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.. while we are dealing with multi-dimensional concepts.
So what? All of physics deals with multi-dimensional concepts. Even the kinematics that a freshman physics student takes has that.

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However the basic equations of the universe are simple algebraic expressions.
That is completely false. E.g. Einstein's field equations, i.e. the equations which are used, among many other uses, to describe the shape and evolution of the universe are differential tensor equations.

I'm sure we ALL await your definition of this "dot-waves" that you keep talking about but consistently refuse to define.
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Re: Is there a simple way to detect gravitational waves?
« Reply #24 on: 23/06/2015 17:27:49 »
Here is an idea to detect gravitons, because that is what it is all about after all. In a vacuum place a well engineered nano-slinky that is held at its topmost point and left to hang under tension. Have a photon array so that all photons deflect from the surface of the slinky. The slinky will need to be WELL isolated from external vibration. In this case any vibration up or down should be due to the influence of gravity. There may even be waves across the coils due to the distribution of force carriers. This can also be modified by altitude. When photons miss the surface of the coils they are then detected and a time dependent picture can be built up of the motion of the coils.
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Re: Is there a simple way to detect gravitational waves?
« Reply #25 on: 23/06/2015 18:26:10 »
the force carrier of gravity is mass, not graviton. graviton is imaginary, just like photon.

are atoms of the sun vibrating? are they produce gravitational waves?

where that energy goes?
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