Is zero g force traveling possible

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Is zero g force traveling possible
« on: 29/05/2015 06:10:59 »
when the jet/car is accelerating, the pilot/driver feels no g force.

is it possible?

seen ufo making sharp acceleration? there must be a way to cancel g force. we will find it soon, i think.

how do you think?

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Re: Is zero g force traveling possible
« Reply #1 on: 29/05/2015 06:20:39 »
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when the jet/car is accelerating, the pilot/driver feels no g force.
Not possible.

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seen ufo making sharp acceleration?
No such thing. Anything which has appeared to do that in a video or in person is an illusion.

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Re: Is zero g force traveling possible
« Reply #2 on: 29/05/2015 06:29:45 »
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when the jet/car is accelerating, the pilot/driver feels no g force.
Not possible.

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seen ufo making sharp acceleration?
No such thing. Anything which has appeared to do that in a video or in person is an illusion.

100% sure? what if you see an ufo doing high speed turns? are you going to wonder or think it is illusion?

remember earth used to be flat?

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Re: Is zero g force traveling possible
« Reply #3 on: 29/05/2015 07:00:47 »
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100% sure?
Whoever says that they're 100% sure of anything is a fool. I'm 99.999% sure.

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what if you see an ufo doing high speed turns?
Physics does no not engage itself with such questions nor do physicists. It's akin to asking me "What if you see two angels dancing on the head of a pin?" In each case my response is "Let's wait until that happens and if it does and we can make scientific observations about it in a controlled way then we can start to use physics to address these questions. Otherwise you can go to your local middle school and talk to the kids about it.

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are you going to wonder or think it is illusion?
I did all my wondering already. Why is it that you always think that you're the first one to raise an issue as if nobody has ever though of those questions before and thought about them? It's an incredibly ignorant position to take.

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remember earth used to be flat?
Wow! You sure are ignorant about a large variety of things, aren't you? See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth
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The mistaken notion that people, including educated people, used to believe that the earth was flat, especially medieval Christians, has been referred to as the myth of the flat Earth. Since the 20th century the consensus among historians of science has been that belief in a flat earth in the medieval and pre-modern periods were either nonexistent or very rare.
See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth
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According to Stephen Jay Gould, "there never was a period of 'flat earth darkness' among scholars (regardless of how the public at large may have conceptualized our planet both then and now). Greek knowledge of sphericity never faded, and all major medieval scholars accepted the Earth's roundness as an established fact of cosmology." Historians of science David Lindberg and Ronald Numbers point out that "there was scarcely a Christian scholar of the Middle Ages who did not acknowledge [Earth's] sphericity and even know its approximate circumference".
Stephen Jay Gould was a very famous authority on evolution at Harvard University.

Don't you recall the image of Atlas carrying the world on his back? The world was represented by a sphere, not a disk. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_(mythology)#/media/File:Atlas_Santiago_Toural_GFDL.jpg

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Re: Is zero g force traveling possible
« Reply #4 on: 29/05/2015 09:13:41 »
i already find a way to just do that, zero acceleration traveling. g force free, impact free.

apply patent now, will be post detail/method soon.

i didn't see ufo myself, but been open minded, i believe it is possible and search, finally i got it.

pretty simple, after you understand the physics.

how should i name the patent? a method for zero acceleration traveling? zero g force traveling method?

thanks!




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Re: Is zero g force traveling possible
« Reply #5 on: 29/05/2015 10:30:22 »
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i already find a way to just do that, zero acceleration traveling. g force free, impact free.
So what? Nobody said that traveling at zero acceleration can't be done. In fact it's in accordance with Newton's first two laws of physics. I said that your claims of "when the jet/car is accelerating, the pilot/driver feels no g force." and "seen ufo making sharp acceleration? " are not possible.

You really need to pay closer attention to what you're reading.

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i didn't see ufo myself, but been open minded, i believe it is possible and search, finally i got it
You have one of the most closed minds of anybody that I've ever met. What is it about ufo's and you that make you think that you have an open mind?

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Re: Is zero g force traveling possible
« Reply #6 on: 29/05/2015 13:13:56 »
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when the jet/car is accelerating, the pilot/driver feels no g force...is it possible?
Yes, just drive your car off a cliff.

It will accelerate downwards, and the driver will feel no g force (not even the 1g force he usually feels while sitting in a stationary car).

Note: Do not try this at home!

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Re: Is zero g force traveling possible
« Reply #7 on: 29/05/2015 14:22:16 »
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when the jet/car is accelerating, the pilot/driver feels no g force...is it possible?
Yes, just drive your car off a cliff.

It will accelerate downwards, and the driver will feel no g force (not even the 1g force he usually feels while sitting in a stationary car).

Note: Do not try this at home!
Lol! Somehow I don't think that's what he had in mind. That's sort of a limited kind of transportation my friend. Funny though. Lol!

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Re: Is zero g force traveling possible
« Reply #8 on: 29/05/2015 15:17:45 »
hahahaha, never seen 1, never thought 1, not equal to it is impossible/no exist. only limited minds will think so.

wait till i show you the method and detail, plus video demo.

when riding the zero g car, you will not feel movement/acceleration/force, you become zero momentum during the whole trip. just like in science fiction.

it was impossible, till i discovered new phenomenon and property of matter. 

this is not theory, is fact. please wait and mean time think about it, maybe you can figure out yourself, i give you hits already.



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Re: Is zero g force traveling possible
« Reply #9 on: 29/05/2015 16:33:55 »
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hahahaha, never seen 1, never thought 1, not equal to it is impossible/no exist. only limited minds will think so.
This is an example of your poor language skills. That is a total mish-mash of words from which no sense can be made out of it.

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wait till i show you the method and detail, plus video demo.
Total poop, i.e. clearly a lie or a deception. Seeing something in a video is insufficient to uniquely determine it's motion with no uncertainty. Such videos loose information when they're being taken. The three dimensional reality is stripped of one dimension and represented on a two dimensional screen. So what may look like a large acceleration might really be a distortion of what in reality is a very small acceleration.

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when riding the zero g car, you will not feel movement/acceleration/force, you become zero momentum during the whole trip. just like in science fiction.
Why they hell are you wasting our time with simple notions like this which everyone here knows and which aren't being disputed? Sheesh!!

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it was impossible, till i discovered new phenomenon and property of matter. 
That'd be the day.

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Re: Is zero g force traveling possible
« Reply #10 on: 29/05/2015 17:00:49 »
how much sky can a frog see in the bottom of a well?

everything i said is true. you just don't understand yet.

check out professor Eric Laithwaite's work, he inspired my idea/find.


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Re: Is zero g force traveling possible
« Reply #11 on: 29/05/2015 17:03:14 »
It is possible to levitate a frog magnetically, so perhaps technology of the kind used for that could remove g forces from accelerated pilots. An alternative would be to use a large mass to accelerate the plane gravitationally and move it using powerful rockets so that it suffers the entire acceleration force instead of the plane, but I think that would be a bit more expensive and use a little bit more fuel.

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Re: Is zero g force traveling possible
« Reply #12 on: 29/05/2015 17:36:34 »
It is possible to levitate a frog magnetically, so perhaps technology of the kind used for that could remove g forces from accelerated pilots. An alternative would be to use a large mass to accelerate the plane gravitationally and move it using powerful rockets so that it suffers the entire acceleration force instead of the plane, but I think that would be a bit more expensive and use a little bit more fuel.

simpler than that. see if you see what i see. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmRQI70RIP4

i been working on his find/doubt few months already, finally i find the answer/mechanism.

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Re: Is zero g force traveling possible
« Reply #13 on: 29/05/2015 18:13:42 »
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everything i said is true. you just don't understand yet.
So you claim. Then again you've made countless bogus claims since the day that you started posting here.

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Re: Is zero g force traveling possible
« Reply #14 on: 29/05/2015 18:21:41 »
remember earth used to be flat?
This as has been said is a major myth.
Even before the Greeks, Arabian mathematicians had worked out the earth was round and made an estimate if it's circumference.  One interesting method is that they noticed when digging wells that different stars were visible from the bottom of widely separated wells. The only thing that made sense of what they could see was the theory that the earth was round.
Columbus never expected to fall off the edge of the world, he was expecting to find the West of India, the West Indies.

and the misguided shall lead the gullible,
the feebleminded have inherited the earth.

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« Reply #15 on: 29/05/2015 18:26:54 »


simpler than that. see if you see what i see. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmRQI70RIP4

i been working on his find/doubt few months already, finally i find the answer/mechanism.

Oh dear, poor old Laithwaite. Very sad, the video had to be pulled in order to prevent him being ridiculed, not sure how it got onto Internet. He really should not have made such a fundamental error, and did realise it when it was pointed out to him.
Great man, made really good contributions, but we all get some things wrong, and this was not his finest hour.
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the feebleminded have inherited the earth.

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Re: Is zero g force traveling possible
« Reply #16 on: 29/05/2015 18:33:16 »
Laithwaite's positive contributions to electrical motors and wind-resistant structures are as legendary as his falure to understand gyroscopes.

But please let us see the results of your travelling without acceleration, as soon as you recover..
helping to stem the tide of ignorance

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« Reply #17 on: 29/05/2015 20:20:50 »
i hate to ruin your own wow moment.

if you seek, you shall find. i already give enough hints.

watch the video and think, he was right on something you/we don't understand yet.

note what he said something about mass transfer in the latest video. i sure hope he is still alive, he'll be so happy to see the answer.

i am not talking about anti gravity, he was going that way.


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« Reply #18 on: 29/05/2015 20:24:39 »
please remember he invented something unique and useful. HE LOOKS AND SOUNDS COOL.

and you? call him a fool?

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Re: Is zero g force traveling possible
« Reply #19 on: 29/05/2015 20:30:25 »
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when the jet/car is accelerating, the pilot/driver feels no g force.
Not possible.

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seen ufo making sharp acceleration?
No such thing. Anything which has appeared to do that in a video or in person is an illusion.

Hi Pete, I think there is one relativity idea that could possibly apply in a hypothetical situation. 

If a virtual hollow sphere was travelling velocity x

and inside of the sphere  centralised was a person travelling also velocity x

through an infinite void, then neither the sphere or the person would sense any movement or force?



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Re: Is zero g force traveling possible
« Reply #20 on: 29/05/2015 22:58:01 »
please remember he invented something unique and useful. HE LOOKS AND SOUNDS COOL.

and you? call him a fool?
Where did you see any of us call him a fool??
Everyone is allowed to make mistakes, he just happened to do it in public,the show couldn't go on air.
As we said, he did great things, his ideas on gyroscopes were not in that class.
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Re: Is zero g force traveling possible
« Reply #21 on: 29/05/2015 23:05:54 »
If a virtual hollow sphere was travelling velocity x

and inside of the sphere  centralised was a person travelling also velocity x

through an infinite void, then neither the sphere or the person would sense any movement or force?
That's correct. As long as no acceleration Galileo, Newton, Einstein, Pete and TB would all be in agreement.
But remember, there is no force involved here, and I don't think this is what jccc has in mind!

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Re: Is zero g force traveling possible
« Reply #22 on: 29/05/2015 23:53:50 »
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Hi Pete, I think there is one relativity idea that could possibly apply in a hypothetical situation. 

If a virtual hollow sphere was travelling velocity x

and inside of the sphere  centralised was a person travelling also velocity x

through an infinite void, then neither the sphere or the person would sense any movement or force?
Of course. But that has nothing to do with acceleration, the subject of his argument.

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Re: Is zero g force traveling possible
« Reply #23 on: 30/05/2015 03:16:26 »
sorry guys. my theory was wrong, my dream is gone. no zero g traveling for now.

so disappointed, how should i punish myself?

have wonderful weekend, mr rights.

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« Reply #24 on: 30/05/2015 03:47:51 »
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so disappointed, how should i punish myself?
Perhaps admitting you were wrong is punishment enough. However it'd be nice if you read a physics text someday?

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« Reply #25 on: 30/05/2015 03:57:50 »
However it'd be nice if you read a physics text someday?
Dream on!
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« Reply #26 on: 30/05/2015 16:17:32 »
read a book? no way, i want to rid my head first.

alan was right, i don't know if i can ever recover....

this was what got me, i thought if a mass/system carries rotational energy, it has a special property, that is when mechanical force is applied on the system, the contact point becomes mass center.

by utilizing this special property, we can make a system that able to cancel acceleration force and provide zero g force traveling.

now i know it is all about angular moment conservation. there is no magic.

i'll keep looking,,,,,

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« Reply #27 on: 31/05/2015 03:58:36 »
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when the jet/car is accelerating, the pilot/driver feels no g force...is it possible?
Yes, just drive your car off a cliff.

It will accelerate downwards, and the driver will feel no g force (not even the 1g force he usually feels while sitting in a stationary car).

Note: Do not try this at home!
It's a good thing you reminded jccc  not to try this as home. He seems always willing to believe everything he sees on youtube but unwilling to take a scientists word for anything.

There's one thing about acceleration I'd like to add to the mix here my friends. Remember the traffic safety warnings the media regularly cautioned the public about, regarding careless driving? "Speed Kills".

I take some issue with this because it isn't speed that kills.

It's that sudden and ABRUPT STOP that's responsible for all the injuries.
"The more things change, the more they remain the same."

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« Reply #28 on: 31/05/2015 07:22:23 »
feel so sad, thought i was going to stand by the giants in history.

don't even have the mood to joke any more.

its ok to call me no g scientist from now on.

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« Reply #29 on: 01/06/2015 03:36:43 »
Why is it that people who see UFO's seem to assume that there is a little green/grey alien sitting inside it?  You make a huge assumption in that fact by automatically thinking the little green/grey dude is able to withstand huge amount of g's as his craft accelerates or turns corners at incredible speed.

Just to bring things back down to Earth a little, our spaceships that perform beyond the limit of human survivablity are unmanned.

The fact that a craft can perform beyond the tolerance of human survivability does not in any way suggest that alien life has successfully found a way to defy the laws of physics. 
Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction. (Einstein)

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Re: Is zero g force traveling possible
« Reply #30 on: 01/06/2015 03:45:45 »
electrons defy gravity all the time, aren't they always in free fall?

ever seen an electron touch down?

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« Reply #31 on: 01/06/2015 04:51:52 »
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electrons defy gravity all the time, aren't they always in free fall?
Oh good Lord. Here he goes again! What on Earth gives you the idea that electrons defy gravity? They most certainly do not. And no. They're not always in free-fall.

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ever seen an electron touch down?
First of all electrons can't be "seen" in the normal sense of the term. In the second place what exactly do you mean by "touch down"?

Scientists don't construct experiments to make such absurd observations.

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« Reply #32 on: 01/06/2015 12:02:25 »
i get the meaning of words long ago

still don't get the logic/mechanism

isn't the law says there is attraction force only

where is potential energy? electron is in free fall all the time.

thanks

Split topic - Gravitational attraction of electrons left in this thread; atoms emitting light moved to New Theories - moderator

« Last Edit: 01/06/2015 22:06:27 by evan_au »

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« Reply #33 on: 02/06/2015 04:00:15 »
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isn't the law says there is attraction force only
No. Where did you ever get such an idea from. This is really irritating not to mention very boring. You keep making these claims and never state where you get the claim from. Why?

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where is potential energy?
Asking this only means that you don't understand energy, especially potentially. Energy has no location. Especially potential energy. These are merely mathematical constructs which were created to help solve problems.

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electron is in free fall all the time.
Of for crying out loud! If course it isn't. Being in free fall means that there is no electric field acting on it when the electron is in a gravitational field and that's just plain nonsense. All of the electrons that make up my body are acted upon by electric fields and are all in a gravitational field. Therefore none of the electrons in my body are in free fall.

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Re: Is zero g force traveling possible
« Reply #34 on: 02/06/2015 11:47:53 »
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electrons defy gravity all the time, aren't they always in free fall?
The gravitational force is so weak compared to the electric field that you can only measure gravitational attraction between massive objects which are electrically neutral.

However, a single electron is never electrically neutral, and it certainly doesn't qualify as "massive". So when you are talking about electrons, gravity applies, but it is negligible next to the effects of the much stronger electric field.

This year, nuclear physicists are intending to obtain a more accurate measurement of the effect of gravity on an atom of anti-hydrogen. This anti-atom is electrically neutral, but there are still huge experimental errors in trying to measure the attraction of gravity on such a low-mass object. Part of the experimental challenge is trying to hold it perfectly still (without touching it!), and then release it without imparting some initial velocity.

They do this measurement by "dropping" the anti-atom in a hard vacuum, and measuring the time it spends in free-fall until it annihilates on the bottom of the vacuum chamber.

The fact that such light objects spend time in free-fall shows that they are subject to gravity.

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« Reply #35 on: 02/06/2015 15:04:26 »
if electrons are not constantly in free fall, why none of electron able to touch the ground/nucleus?

is electron moving or not in a hydrogen atom? if so, how it moves? circling? jumping? clouding?

isn't atomic structure full of mystery? 


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« Reply #36 on: 02/06/2015 16:15:43 »
if electrons are not constantly in free fall, why none of electron able to touch the ground/nucleus?

is electron moving or not in a hydrogen atom? if so, how it moves? circling? jumping? clouding?

isn't atomic structure full of mystery?
Forget it. You'll never understand. I explain one day and the next day you're just as ignorant as you are today. I give up trying to help you and thinking that it's possible in some small way that you'd actually learn something.