What would be the most likely cause of WW3?

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What would be the most likely cause of WW3?
« on: 11/08/2015 12:23:22 »
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Re: What would be the most likely cause of WW3?
« Reply #1 on: 11/08/2015 18:24:33 »
overpopulation of resources OR greed from sub human dictators like hitler, saddam, or the rich like the russian czars or the french monarchy or billionaires.

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Re: What would be the most likely cause of WW3?
« Reply #2 on: 11/08/2015 22:23:59 »
Internal: An overwhelming thirst for Personal, Political, Religious or Economic power. A focus on personal wealth, rather than community health. On a larger scale, a focus on national wealth, rather than world health. Objectifying, denigrating and/or wilful ignorance of people outside one's own community or nation. Apathy.
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Human-Caused: Someone sets off a nuclear, chemical or biological weapon. A massive cyber-attack.  Overpopulation and overconsumption, causing exhaustion of natural resources (especially water and fertile land). Pollution. Climate-induced crop failures, changes in ocean currents, migration towards the poles and sea level rise. The war on terror. Genetically engineered humans (or, more likely, phobia of genetically engineered humans). A hostile takeover by intelligent machines?

External: An epidemic. Large meteorite. Large Coronal Mass Ejection, causing civilian infrastructure to fail but leaving the military intact. Aliens?

Quote from: Albert Einstein
I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.
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Re: What would be the most likely cause of WW3?
« Reply #3 on: 12/08/2015 07:41:17 »
Individual terrorist acts or actual human suffering don't generally start world wars. You need a concerted act of aggression by an identifiable state against another, and so far, only Germany and Japan have succeeded in achieving this. So if ISIS succeeds in building a geographic caliphate and then invades Israel or Turkey, you can expect a pretty major conflict.

However Russian invasions of Ukraine or anywhere else won't be opposed by the West as this would lead to a nuclear exchange - the obverse of deterrence. The same goes for the Chinese invasion of Tibet and the continuing fracas between India and Pakistan: any nation that possesses a nuclear weapon can do whatever it likes without starting a world war.
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Re: What would be the most likely cause of WW3?
« Reply #4 on: 12/08/2015 18:08:48 »
Individual terrorist acts or actual human suffering don't generally start world wars.

And WW I started how?

True, the official war started when nations (empires) declared war on each other. And yes, the world needs a certain amount of political tension for anything to turn into a large war, but given the right (wrong) circumstances, a single terrorist event can trigger a world war (for instance the assassination of a certain Archduke set everything into motion, and the actual war started one month later).

I think of it rather like a chemical reaction. There needs to be enough stored energy (tension/will to fight) for a war to happen. There also needs to be an initiation that supplies enough energy (anger?) to get the reaction (fighting) started, then as long as the fighting leads to an increased bloodlust and there is enough materiel to fight with, the war will continue. Eventually someone surrenders (or is defeated/destroyed), the war ends, and tensions begin to rise again...

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Re: What would be the most likely cause of WW3?
« Reply #5 on: 14/08/2015 11:48:07 »
How about destruction of broadcast TV satellites, intentionally or by accident?

Deprived of their living-room circus, the masses go on a rampage...

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Re: What would be the most likely cause of WW3?
« Reply #6 on: 14/08/2015 22:39:27 »
That might start the occasional street riot but once they have ransacked a few shops, they are unlikely to invade one another's countries. More likely to all huddle around a cable TV set.
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Re: What would be the most likely cause of WW3?
« Reply #7 on: 15/08/2015 13:22:20 »
That's impossible to say. It's like asking What will be the most likely cause of the next bar fight? While there are a number of reasons bar fights happen and it'd be easy to list them out, the actual cause of the next one is impossible to predict. And in fact it might be totally unrelated to any other bar fight that's ever happened before. The same argument holds for war.

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Re: What would be the most likely cause of WW3?
« Reply #8 on: 16/08/2015 11:08:09 »
No, world war cannot be likened to a bar fight. But if you had to list the reasons of bar fights occurring, and tally them... the spread would not be even.

ie. There would be a clear top 5.

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Re: What would be the most likely cause of WW3?
« Reply #9 on: 16/08/2015 22:43:07 »
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No, world war cannot be likened to a bar fight.
You missed the point entirely. I never said nor implied that world war is like a bar fight. I can't even imagine how you got that from what I wrote! What I actually said was It's like asking ... what will be the most likely cause of the next bar fight. By this I meant that you just can't ask what will cause the next fight because it could happen for any number of reasons, most of which we probably can't even conceive of right now. Understand?

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Re: What would be the most likely cause of WW3?
« Reply #10 on: 17/08/2015 20:30:13 »
The russian and french revolutions were started by the poor against the monarchies.   Hitler first caused a revolution in Germany. 
And we know what happened when hitler and stalin, both dictators, both jews started murdering people.  WWII.   So, the same impoverished conditions could lead to WWIII.

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Re: What would be the most likely cause of WW3?
« Reply #11 on: 19/08/2015 13:02:10 »
PmbPhy. Actually it is you who has misunderstood my comment.

You quoted my first sentence, but the rest of my response is clearly a demonstration of how you Can actually predict the reason for the next bar fight.

Maybe you're saying there are thousands of reasons why a war might occur. That is only the case if you're being extremely accurate. Which would be a foolish expectation on my part. But in this case a foolish expectation on your part to think that- that is what I was asking.

Unless you can actually list a plausible reason that hasn't been listed already. Go away.

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Re: What would be the most likely cause of WW3?
« Reply #12 on: 19/08/2015 19:39:02 »
The russian and french revolutions were started by the poor against the monarchies.   Hitler first caused a revolution in Germany. 
And we know what happened when hitler and stalin, both dictators, both jews started murdering people.  WWII.   So, the same impoverished conditions could lead to WWIII.


Is this a typo, or do you believe that Hitler and Stalin were Jews? And even if they were Jews, what would that have to do with any of the rest of your argument?

I agree with you that there are many historical examples of revolutions brought on by disparities within countries (and empires, etc.), and some of these have transformed into larger regional or even world-wide conflicts--I just don't understand what Judaism has to do with that...

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Re: What would be the most likely cause of WW3?
« Reply #13 on: 21/08/2015 01:25:14 »
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PmbPhy. Actually it is you who has misunderstood my comment.
Nope. Not at all. It's you who didn't say what you meant because it was you who said
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No, world war cannot be likened to a bar fight.
My analogy is about asking about predicting whereas here you seem to have thought that the analogy was between likening war to a bar fight, which are two separate issues.

At any rate it doesn't matter. Anything more than this would be getting the last word in and I hate doing that.

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Re: What would be the most likely cause of WW3?
« Reply #14 on: 21/08/2015 10:23:41 »
...we know what happened when hitler and stalin, both dictators, both jews started murdering people.  WWII.

Is this a typo, or do you believe that Hitler and Stalin were Jews? ................I just don't understand what Judaism has to do with that...
There seems to be a number of 'therorists' who believe that Hitler was illegitimately related to Rothchild!
A surprising number of 'theories' have anti Semitic link (now there is a 'theory')
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Re: What would be the most likely cause of WW3?
« Reply #15 on: 23/09/2015 00:52:35 »
The thing that will cause WWIII may already have happened: the 2008 banking crisis.

If you think about it, WWII was caused by the effects of the Great Depression. Hitler got into power by promising to sort out the economic chaos that that caused, and we all know how that turned out.

So, now all it would take is some ideologue to get into power somewhere in the world and start an invasion; the economics is set up for people to be unhappy enough to vote them in.

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Re: What would be the most likely cause of WW3?
« Reply #16 on: 23/09/2015 13:29:46 »
I had always imagined that rising sea levels would at least precipitate a serious conflict as the population of Bangladesh moved northwards. Initially the police and army would attempt to prevent have-not refugees from occupying the property of the haves but within a few years they would recognise the inevitable and lead the entire population to invade India.

However the present tide of people leaving Africa and the Middle East for Europe seems to have anticipated my hypothetical model. At some point I expect the Hungarians or whoever to defend their border with lethal force, where upon all hell will break loose in the Balkans, as usual, with the invading force supported by whoever loses in Syria - either China or Russia.
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« Reply #17 on: 23/09/2015 13:33:26 »
One thing that might cause WWIII is an attempt to form a world government that tries to flex its muscle and imposes its will over national sovereignty. Such a world wide power centralize power grab, although intoxicating to many, will lead to resistance by those who have the most to lose. 

As one scenario, if you assume man made global warming is real, and then assume you need to lower carbon emissions, this means the poor countries will always remain poor, since they will not be able to use cheap fossil fuel to help jump start their economic growth. Green energy is too expensive for poor countries to jump start their climb up the ladder.

To balance the needs out of these poor countries, a world government would need to redistribute the allowed fossil fuel. This will cause destabilization of the larger countries due to shortages fro the middle class. The large countries will not go down without a fight and many will ignore these laws. This will challenge the authority of the world government, so they will need to play hard ball. Since a world movement has its finger in all pies, the playing of hardball will cause international tension.

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Re: What would be the most likely cause of WW3?
« Reply #18 on: 25/09/2015 06:30:28 »
One need only to look at Rapa Nui (Easter Island) where the human beings bred like rats until they finished up like the Gingham Dog and the Calico cat. [1.]

A similar fate awaits our current civilization if we continue to accelerate our births past the carrying capacity of the planet.

The best way to stop this trend is to teach women to read and give them power over their own wombs.

I once asked a gravida 13 woman if she wouldn't like to stop popping out more kids - now that she had 13.

"Oh,Mr. Bill!. she disconsolately replied, "If I did that my husband would leave me and these kids flat and go back to Zacatecas and find a 16 year old to marry!"

So it goes. Maybe a world government might be the only hope, even if it has to sterilize a few dudes or protect some women from marital rape..

[1.]  http://www.bartleby.com/102/231.html
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Re: What would be the most likely cause of WW3?
« Reply #19 on: 25/09/2015 09:30:06 »
Give every woman 500 ($800, or whatever the local value equivalent is) every 6 months if she isn't pregnant. It's a lot cheaper than providing social, health and education services for the children she might produce, and will buy plenty of contraception, legal aid, or whatever else she needs to avoid making babies that society doesn't need.

Sterilising "a few dudes" won't do the trick, nurse! A radiographer colleague told the ER doctor "I think this patient is pregnant". He replied "but her husband has had a vasectomy". "Quite probably" said Betty "but there are twenty million men who haven't". She was.   
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« Reply #20 on: 25/09/2015 10:08:16 »
I, on the other hand, don't think that a significant percentage of women are crazed, naturally promiscuous pushovers. Call me a deluded and uxorious dupe, but there you have it.

Sterilizing a few dudes would be effective as an exemplary lesson to "encourage the others". In the course of my public health nurse work I became so tired of hearing the same old story. Some 20 year old  bum had bought the ugliest 16 year old in town  a damn cheeseburger, impregnated her, and skipped town.

The first step in cutting the birth rate ( and reducing the risk of another war ) is to ensure women have full and equal rights....in everything: procreation. employment, education  ....everything

And if you have to knock a few walking, talking billy goats' heads together, then tough darts for them. Because it beats a replay of Passchendaele.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7av6mgdeCkY
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« Reply #21 on: 25/09/2015 16:52:15 »
You can't have "equal rights in procreation" because the functions and duties of males and females are different -it's a meaningless slogan. But you can offer women the right and the opportunity not to procreate. My plan is to provide financial encouragement as well.

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« Reply #22 on: 25/09/2015 17:52:39 »
Talk to the hand.

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« Reply #23 on: 28/12/2015 11:58:14 »
If WW1 was a chemical war and WW2 a nuclear war, WW3 will be a biological disaster. Militarization of science already provide the technology for killing billions of people with engineered bioweapons, it's perhaps only a matter of time before a terrorist organization gets access to such weapons.
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« Reply #24 on: 28/12/2015 21:36:13 »
What would be the most likely cause of WW3?
One word "Religion"...
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« Reply #25 on: 28/12/2015 22:28:07 »
I think only one member has mentioned the underlying cause: human nature. You can't expect a species, accustomed to living in tribes of a hundred or so and being very cautious about their neighbours, to play nice when there are in excess of seven billion and only some of them have i-phones.
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Re: What would be the most likely cause of WW3?
« Reply #26 on: 29/12/2015 01:37:03 »
Trump becoming president of the U.S.? Just saying.

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« Reply #27 on: 29/12/2015 05:12:22 »
Trump becoming president of the U.S.? Just saying.
I heard a rumour that Trump belongs to the Flat-Earth-Society.
If this is true we here in Australia should feel no effect or consequence from him becoming President, as according to the Flat Earthers we should not even exist and if we did, we should just fall off into the void.
They should certainly not be able to even get to us on the underside.
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« Reply #28 on: 29/12/2015 08:46:33 »
Trump becoming president of the U.S.?

Hilariously put, but true!
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Re: What would be the most likely cause of WW3?
« Reply #29 on: 17/01/2016 15:26:01 »
social engineering + computer network breaches + data & fund theft + blockade

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Re: What would be the most likely cause of WW3?
« Reply #30 on: 29/03/2016 11:40:43 »
The failure of capitalism or the rise of economic tyranny leading to artificial crisis, false flag terrorism, and poverty may destabilize the global economy and trigger a world conflict. The investigation and trial of secret societies should end the conflict by arresting dictators who attempted to bring humanity to its knees by subverting sovereign nations into police states. 

A new economy should emerge from the oppression generated by the world conflict were science and technology should be developed to end the techno-economic singularity. Capitalism should no longer be the same in the democratic civilization; A new form of social-democracy based on human experience should arise to create a universal job market were higher education is accessible and dedicated to the promotion of human knowledge.

Scientific research should be more democratic, and promoting human advancements through the reengineering of the Internet, a necessary change for harmonizing social-democratic values into the distribution of peer-driven digital currencies. Poverty and tyranny should be historical artefacts of the ancient world, were the failure of capitalism was necessary for the world to advance.
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Re: What would be the most likely cause of WW3?
« Reply #31 on: 29/03/2016 14:26:51 »
WW3 has been going on since the end of WW2. It's different from its predecessors by being highly asymmetric, delocalised, and involving the USA from Day 1. Another difference is the way that the Western Allies express moral outrage and change sides as soon as their chosen side looks like winning, thus ensuring that the war will go on for ever and Halliburton makes a profit.   

The cause is whatever lie comes to the mind of Halliburton's puppet politicians.
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Re: What would be the most likely cause of WW3?
« Reply #32 on: 29/03/2016 21:01:26 »
The thing that will cause WWIII may already have happened: the 2008 banking crisis.

If you think about it, WWII was caused by the effects of the Great Depression. Hitler got into power by promising to sort out the economic chaos that that caused, and we all know how that turned out.

So, now all it would take is some ideologue to get into power somewhere in the world and start an invasion; the economics is set up for people to be unhappy enough to vote them in.
I'm sticking with my answer, but I'm further specifying the ideologue to be Donald Trump getting into power.

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« Reply #33 on: 29/03/2016 22:55:58 »
Who is he going to blame for the banking crisis? American banks, presumably. So is he going to invade America?

I think we can separate Hitler's initial rise to power in the economic shambles, from his later decision to invade Poland on a wave of hysterical nationalism. But there's every possiblity of Trump winning a second term if the banks want him to.
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Re: What would be the most likely cause of WW3?
« Reply #34 on: 29/03/2016 22:58:12 »
Who is he going to blame for the banking crisis?
Mexicans, obviously.

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Re: What would be the most likely cause of WW3?
« Reply #35 on: 30/03/2016 00:17:33 »
I think that the decision to invade Poland and intensify the persecution of the Jews was prompted to some extent by the withdrawal of American loans. 
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« Reply #36 on: 30/03/2016 14:41:21 »
That might or might not have been the immediate trigger, but Hitler's lebensraum far predated that, and involved Germany owning huge amounts of Europe; and without having an insane ideologue in charge it wouldn't even have been an issue.

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« Reply #37 on: 05/04/2016 02:25:52 »
I suspect a changing climate, most likely the cause of the present world war waged against and through acts of terrorism, in progress, not as yet termed as such.

Although nuclear threats, may present a clear danger to a final end of all human argument, ending any such discussion, a rendering of complete.

Tho if elected, Donald Drumph would likely be the argument to prove American society's blame, for either.
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« Reply #38 on: 15/04/2016 13:01:28 »
If there is, I think its cause will include natural resources and livingspace, as that is the thing that cause many great wars to happen in the past and today is being more chased on.

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Re: What would be the most likely cause of WW3?
« Reply #39 on: 17/04/2016 22:49:57 »
Paranoia will likely be the cause of ww III.
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« Reply #40 on: 18/04/2016 12:36:58 »
I think the most likely cause of WW3 would be the power grab, that is being set up by the manmade global warming/climate change scam, if it is successfully implemented.

Say enough people are frightened enough to support the climate change scam, to where now all the governments of the UN are able to politically justify the commandeering of the energy industries. Unless you can afford to pay the carbon credit extortion tax, which does not change the carbon balance, one is left out in the cold.

In the cold, citizens and industry must look for their alternatives through a crony capitalism based renewable energy exchange, whose products are all over priced, even though supplemented by the governments via higher taxes. The result will unprecedented inflation as people get shafted. Many accept this because it is the lessor to two kill; starve or drown.

The result will be a decline in world wide industries, especially in the first world countries, due to large scale costs and inflation. How do you sell steel if it costs $1/pound in energy. This will lead to large scale layoffs, in all industries. The governments can no longer afford to maintain unemployment benefits, due to the ever widening loss of tax revenue. Printing and borrowing money is not possible since all governments have the same needs. They will all decide the best solution is to raise taxes even higher, to buy some time, only to kill the industries on the margin.

To meet the needs of the social demands for cheaper energy, a fossil fuel energy black market will appear, to compete with the inefficient government crony capitalism. They will charge high prices by modern standards, but it will still be cheaper. The governments will not like the competition and will increase their police crack down, trying to enforce it monopoly policies, with more and more otherwise honest citizens treated like criminals.

Before long there is a world wide outcry, due to the deprivation and injustice, to overthrow the oppressive governments, whose leaders still live like Kings, based on the original carbon credit scam, and the continued  kickbacks from their crony industries. The citizens in America will take the lead, since the right to bear arms will allow them to form militia and fight in mass. People will fight hard when they have little to lose but a lot to gain.

The government soldiers military will gradually begin to empathize with people. The will cause the tide to change leading to the overthrow of the corrupt governments and the all the scam artists leaders shot or hung. Finally, people will understand why the founding fathers of democracy wanted limited government.

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Re: What would be the most likely cause of WW3?
« Reply #41 on: 21/04/2016 15:20:40 »
Tyrant/cohort B.S.; the political machinations of the Knights of Columbus or the Freemasons or the Orange Order or whatever other tyrant/cohort structure you care to name.

Always the same manipulative politics.

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Re: What would be the most likely cause of WW3?
« Reply #42 on: 26/06/2016 19:50:52 »
The thing that will cause WWIII may already have happened: the 2008 banking crisis.

If you think about it, WWII was caused by the effects of the Great Depression. Hitler got into power by promising to sort out the economic chaos that that caused, and we all know how that turned out.

So, now all it would take is some ideologue to get into power somewhere in the world and start an invasion; the economics is set up for people to be unhappy enough to vote them in.
I'm sticking with my answer, but I'm further specifying the ideologue to be Donald Trump getting into power.
I'm still sticking with my answer, but Trump is looking less likely, an ideologue will need to appear from somewhere else. We're right in the heart of the most dangerous point in time, very right wing people are gaining political power; if BREXIT is the least of the idiocy we have to face, I will be sooo happy.

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Re: What would be the most likely cause of WW3?
« Reply #43 on: 28/06/2016 20:29:46 »
Trump.  Next Question.

Ahhh dammit, just realized there was a page 2 lol.  Guess others got to it before me hehehe.

So I guess if I was to give a non political answer (since thankfully, there are at least enough Americans left who aren't dumb enough and self destructive enough to ever vote for that bloviating windbag that it ensures he'll never see the inside of the WH), I'd have to say my first guess would be Water.  Before long, water will be more valuable than diamonds.  To go along with that answer, my next would be overpopulation.  Yes, I think there are those in power who are in the know, who pull the strings of the world and we are but puppets.  I don't think overpopulation will be the trigger, I think overpopulation will be what causes the powers to be to recognize that it is time for another large scale war, this time bigger than any before it, to help cull the population.  In fact, some could say that such controls on smaller scales are already taken place constantly, where plots are put in place intentionally, or left alone intentionally, or fomented intentionally, for sake of population control.

A third guess might be a global scale catastrophe that causes a collapse of global central government overall, leading to voids of power and the needs of the powerhungry to fill it.
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Re: What would be the most likely cause of WW3?
« Reply #44 on: 07/07/2016 19:49:41 »
There is some evidence that Hitler had some Jewish ancestry that by Nazi standards would have lead to his classification as non Aryan.
This would explain some odd facts such as how his Chauffer could seduce his first mistress yet survive!
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Re: What would be the most likely cause of WW3?
« Reply #45 on: 03/08/2016 23:32:57 »
An accident

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Re: What would be the most likely cause of WW3?
« Reply #46 on: 04/08/2016 08:15:48 »
There is some evidence that Hitler had some Jewish ancestry that by Nazi standards would have lead to his classification as non Aryan.
This would explain some odd facts such as how his Chauffer could seduce his first mistress yet survive!

The rumours are probably mythical but as with Trump, Blair, Bush, and every pedophilic priest, politician pop idol or  other discredited scumbag you can think of, the rules do not apply to the Blessed Leader.
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Re: What would be the most likely cause of WW3?
« Reply #47 on: 04/08/2016 11:40:31 »
A staged conflict featuring unarmed civilians and fabricated riots caused by the stolen US elections could be disguised as a massive coup d'etat by the military.
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The bliss of ignorance is deeper in the region of tyranny.