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Misunderstanding of "random".

This is certainly not written in my language--I still don't quite know what you are saying, but if you're using it to prove that the probabilities of drawing specific cards from randomly shuffled decks is time-dependent, then it can't be right. Anyway, I thought you were leaving...

(dx)=52 what does the d stand for? This shouldn't be calculus or differential equations...P(n)/(dx)=(1/52)/t Why are we dividing a probability by time?(dy)=f(^x) what does the d stand for? This shouldn't be calculus or differential equations...P(n)/(dy)=σ2/t2 what is σ? is it a standard deviation of something?P(n)/(dx)≠P(n)/(dy) what does the d stand for? This shouldn't be calculus or differential equations...[x1∝x2]≠[y1≠y2] I don't understand this one at all. how can a proportionality statement and non-equality statement be related like this? what are x1, x2, y1 and y2?(dy)≠(dx) what does the d stand for? This shouldn't be calculus or differential equations...

(dy)≠(dx) what does the d stand for? This shouldn't be calculus or differential equations...

Quote from: Thebox on 21/08/2015 18:00:08(dx)=52 what does the d stand for? This shouldn't be calculus or differential equations...P(n)/(dx)=(1/52)/t Why are we dividing a probability by time?distribution over continuous time time(dy)=f(^x) what does the d stand for? This shouldn't be calculus or differential equations...it isnt,its a linear expanded to the power offa function of the power of x P(n)/(dy)=σ2/t2 what is σ? is it a standard deviation of something?variance of population valuesP(n)/(dx)≠P(n)/(dy) what does the d stand for? This shouldn't be calculus or differential equations...[x1∝x2]≠[y1≠y2] I don't understand this one at all. how can a proportionality statement and non-equality statement be related like this? what are x1, x2, y1 and y2?x1 and x2 are rows, y is colums made by the shuffling of the rows, alignment of a y axis.(dy)≠(dx) what does the d stand for? This shouldn't be calculus or differential equations...

(dx)=52 what does the d stand for? This shouldn't be calculus or differential equations...P(n)/(dx)=(1/52)/t Why are we dividing a probability by time?distribution over continuous time time(dy)=f(^x) what does the d stand for? This shouldn't be calculus or differential equations...it isnt,its a linear expanded to the power offa function of the power of x P(n)/(dy)=σ2/t2 what is σ? is it a standard deviation of something?variance of population valuesP(n)/(dx)≠P(n)/(dy) what does the d stand for? This shouldn't be calculus or differential equations...[x1∝x2]≠[y1≠y2] I don't understand this one at all. how can a proportionality statement and non-equality statement be related like this? what are x1, x2, y1 and y2?x1 and x2 are rows, y is colums made by the shuffling of the rows, alignment of a y axis.(dy)≠(dx) what does the d stand for? This shouldn't be calculus or differential equations...

I did leave, but I can not rest when I know I am correct 100%.

argue the maths please Alan, my maths , your same maths tells me I am correct whether you believe it or not.

Quote from: Thebox on 21/08/2015 18:51:12argue the maths please Alan, my maths , your same maths tells me I am correct whether you believe it or not.Exactly. "Random" is a mathematical term. You must understand its implications before deploying it.

It is impossible to do this 'maths' because it isn't maths, it is symbol gibberish.If you truly believe this proves you are right and everyone else is wrong then you will be able to walk away and leave it at that.You have learnt a lot since being on this forum and it's been to good to see you arguing with some of the new theories.Wishing you all the best for the future, there have been times when it has been good knowing you.

........where as the y axis is absolute random and like you said impossible to calculate.

I see no errors in my maths where do you see an error?

scenario - take 100 lottery draw machines , each machine releases one ball of 59 balls, you pick 6 of these balls that have been drawndo you think the lottery would still work?

We can write the maths this way if you like -

All these are incorrect. Do you want us to lie to you and say you are right? Would that be honourable of us?As I said, if you truly believe you are right you will be able to walk away from this forum secure in that knowledge.Best of luck for the future.GoodbyeColin

Time for an experimental verification. If you honestly believe what you are saying, put your money where your mouth is, and make a fortune playing games of pure chance - like the national lottery. Don't come back with tales of great winnings at poker because that involves the unquantifiable skill of the other players, but show us that you can consistently beat the odds in roulette or a one-arm bandit. Or just throwing dice.

Since you have not explained what your symbols mean, nobody can possibly contest your mathematics. P(r) = z.dqCan you challenge that?

added -start with any premise for argument against this P(B | A)=1probability of event B given event A occurred

We know there is one in 52 we do not know how many are in y. I suggest it is you guys who do not truly understand what random is.

Quote from: Thebox on 21/08/2015 18:51:12added -start with any premise for argument against this P(B | A)=1probability of event B given event A occurred In plain language, you are saying that B will inevitably happen if A has happened. I cannot think of anything you can do with shuffled cards for which this is true, other than "if A you take away the ace of spades, then B there is no ace of spades left in the pack". This sort of blindingly obvious but utterly useless statement might amuse philosophers but doesn't have much bearing on the game of poker.

Quote from: TheboxDo you actually understand what random is?Why do you keep asking this when its apparent to us that its only you who don't appear to have a firm grasp of it? Alan is a well educated man and knows darn well what random means as do everyone else. You've had a lot of time to learn math and you've never chosen to pick up a good book on math and start learning it from scratch. It's a terrible decision to attempt learning math by first learning about probability and statistics. Your use of the symbols here is so distorted that its next to impossible to follow. Your choice of not choosing to read those texts on math and physics that I suggested that you read is what made me choose not to converse with you anymore. I speak now only to remind you that you're not going to learn physics correctly the way that you're going.

Do you actually understand what random is?

what does "A is ^x" mean ?

Pete it is the present symbols science uses, it should not be that difficult to follow when I have provided the source links to the apparent meaningless symbols. It reads like a book to me.

scenario - Imagine a 3 lane motorway, you are in the most left lane, above each lane every 5m is a number 1,2, or 3 in no specific order.123231213231PP=youdrive down the motorway in the same lane. Got it now, imagine this scenario,

x ⊥ y means x has no factor greater than 1 in common with y.

x=52y=^xQuote from: alancalverd on 24/08/2015 23:00:12what does "A is ^x" mean ?Where does it say that?But in answer any specific variant to the power of x, xx^1x^2x^3

Please read what I post more carefully. I said that Your use of the symbols here is so distorted that its next to impossible to follow. That means that its not the symbols that's the problem but your use of them that's the problem. By the way, your constant statement that you're "correct" is also the problem because it shows that you're not willing to consider the notion that you might have made a mistake somewhere and when people can't conceive of making a mistake they rarely listen to the people who are telling them what the mistake is, i.e. they're not paying close enough attention and not keeping an open mind. It's been pointed out to you many times that your posts are confusing. The best example I can give to illustrate my point is the first post in this thread. All you did was to write down symbols without defining how they're being used and what they mean. We know what the symbols mean but its the context that's missing. You don't even use the symbols correctly. E.g. you wrote in part(dx)=52P(n)/(dx)=(1/52)/tAnd you didn't state what "(dx)" means. All you did was to assign it a value. Then you have the expression P(n) without defining what "n" is. We know from what the meaning of the symbol is but you're not using it in that context. All you have below is "~(n)" but you didn't specify it's value.The proper use of the symbol P(A) is that A is an event and therefore P(A) is the probability of that event. An example of an event is "The dealer deals an Ace out of a full deck of cards which are randomly shuffled." Then P(A) = 1/52.I could go on and on about your poor use and grasp of it but from what I've seen in this thread you won't understand it because you think you're right and therefore aren't willing to consider being wrong and learning what your mistake is.

So according to this y=x^1, x^2, x^3, etcSo which is it to be, and how did you decide that y is limited to these values anyway?This is why I describe your maths as gibberish, you can't just string together symbols you don't understand the meaning of.

P=chancex=52y=^x

A=specific variantσ²=variance of population values i.e A²/=in

OK, let's take it a bit at a timeQuote from: Thebox on 24/08/2015 22:09:46P=chancex=52y=^xWhat does y = ^x mean?Quote A=specific variantσ²=variance of population values i.e A²/=inPlease explain the meaning of your symbols. Is A a number? If so, what does it denote? If not, what does A^{2} mean? Population of what? Variance is a description of the distribution of a population along an axis - what axis? What does "/=in" mean to you?

P(A)=σ² using a Y axis

y is infinite Colin not limited, the above was just an example. It is actually x^∞=y

what does ^x mean? You have used ^ to indicate "to the power of", which is fairly conventional, but ^x^x^x presumably means something else to you, as do words like "variant", "event", and indeed almost everything you have written.Mathematics is a universal, formal language. If you were writing in French or German, I'm sure you would use words according to their meaning in France and Germany, so why not use mathematical definitions and symbols the same way as everyone else on the planet?

A probability cannot equal a measure of variance or deviation.

Yes Colin exactly , so what is the P of an event from the Y axis Colin?

I repeat my questions of reply #37. Please define your terms and symbols.

Quote from: alancalverd on 27/08/2015 01:19:29I repeat my questions of reply #37. Please define your terms and symbols.I'm telling you folks. He's just never going to get it.

Quote from: Thebox on 26/08/2015 19:01:28Yes Colin exactly , so what is the P of an event from the Y axis Colin?I don't intend to repeat answers that we have already given that you choose not to readhttp://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=57749.0

Your underlying misconception is the idea that multiplying one random number (say the position of AS in a shuffle) by another (which shuffle to pick) results in a nonrandom,or at least more predictable, number.