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Re: New theory of democratic Representation: (Feminists should read this!)
« Reply #20 on: 14/02/2017 20:51:43 »
Quote from: Alex Dullius Siqueira on 14/02/2017 15:00:38
it's a issue just like "Racism", it starts to exist at the moment you invented the word and started talking about it...
and it's sustained by the new perception of man kind that one needs to "give" or "be"...

 Like a model citzen walking trough the street.
 Sudently a Cop loose it's mind and shoot him on the arm once.
 Somehow the citzen managed to get in possession of the cops weapon.

Now the situation diverges: Talkign about myself, if the wond was not fatal, i would try to implement logic but wouldnt exitate to do wherever it takes to "ENSURE" my heath. That also includes injure or neutralize the agressor, despise being a autority or anything.

 Slavery happen or tried to take place on each culturetrough history of humanity. the only difference in between africans and chineses, is that:
"They did not unite themselves to ... all those irrational slavers.".
Not sugesting weakness on the race itself, all humans, africans by some aspects as resitence, inteligence, longevity even superior to most of us.
 It was cultural, somehow african culture was not based on war and conflict on that scale. they saw no purpose into die for the other.
 Of course not all of them but the sucssefull sįlavery itself is proof of this fact. "They slaved." The very sentence shouldnt be possible...

 Turning back to the elephant on the room.
 The Feminist concept as a reality is twisting many things. I myself admire strong womans.
 Altough I do not quite understand why?:


You do not understand why you Admire strong women?  Or you do not understand why Feminist theroy is twisting reality?
The answer to the latter is currently feminist Theory is culturally Marxist, They have over layed Marxist theory of Society where the Proletariat are oppressed by the owners of the means to production- So Women are the new Proletariat and the Patriarchy is the owner of the means of production.

Only the owners of the means to Production- the Patriarchy can be sexist, or Racist. Every women not aware of this is suffering from False class consciousness- or False gender conciousness- Or better unsderstood as- internalized misogyny.


Quote from: Alex Dullius Siqueira on 14/02/2017 15:00:38
If a woman is not happy or satisfied with the fact that "the cop shoot her", why do not sacrificate the imediate peace and solve it right away?
Whitout ever consider "our" side of the issue?

How exactly is a women shoot by a police officer, meant to resolve the issue straight away? what on earth do you mean by that? What are the two sides of this issue in your oppinion?

Quote from: Alex Dullius Siqueira on 14/02/2017 15:00:38
Intead most are trying to organize methos and law, which is admirable and surely does work, but some do not see the loss of their souls on the process....

 You're instaling "preventing laws" not for "change" but for protection, this right because your expectation seems to be that "never will" change...
 Is a hope insurance against the hopless man. Doesn't make any real sense...

The option B is to for getabout the "world" as a reality and fix wherever need to be fix when it need to be fixed. Imediatlly.
 No man will ever listent to a feminist that talk abut laws, it's a moral issue, we can only listen to someone that explains her desires and objectives to us, in a manner that she's completly ignoring our understanding or not, about what she is saying...

 Same way I'll never understand the model citzen that when shooted irrationality by a aleatory cop, will keep looking to the wond and perplex asking himself why, subsequently, begging for him to "give" him alternative, because he do not believe he "should" react to an "autorithy", this while he bleeds to death...

Cop is only a practical reference for example, of how twisted life can be, "the cop" is just a representation of any individual, male, that try to imposse some sort of autorithy that goes against your health. Why?

Well that is an assumption, not all atempts to impose Authority over someone else are inherently negative.

Quote from: Alex Dullius Siqueira on 14/02/2017 15:00:38
But take care to this detail:
 30 years old. i never had to apply this metology on real life,a few almosts but nothing relevant.
So, if someone come to me to me and say: DO IT! I'm the one whith the tools to think: "I wont"

In the other hand, the one hopping for the "giving".
  It'll read this, and stated to believe that is cold, insensitive or agressive.
 It'll b domain by it's own imaginary and may start to feel fear. At this moment I've become a menace.
It'll then slowly start to shape the world acting on my blind spot, by the meanings of commentary, conversations and more.
Eventually resulting in a twisted version of the reality, where everything that I represent, must be eradicated. IT'S AGAIN'S THE LAW!

There it's everyhting allowed to protect the LAW. the very laws I helped to forge to protect myself from "him", the man I "see"...
 Eventually thisvery law will as always turn against yourself, for there always will be someone else "imagining" you...

Any law builded over reality, no need to worry, it will be simple by logic...
Any law based on a lie that my ego wants to believe, will inevitable turn itself, eventually against myself...

why?

Probably because of ignorance, you would be making laws for things you have not fully comprehended, and will also not be fully aware of the results that will stem from it- you could argue that that is always the case their will always be some onforseen consiquences invloved with law, but there are ways to lessen that Iīm sure.

Quote from: Alex Dullius Siqueira on 14/02/2017 15:00:38
For i'll eventually have to face that I was a lair implementing over, in order to "feel control" over what I could not control...
 The last question of such culture will inevitable be:
"What will now protect me from myself?"

Hopefully education and self discipline.

Quote from: Alex Dullius Siqueira on 14/02/2017 15:00:38
By the way most of my friends are women, that actually "became" my friends...
I consider anything that is illogical and unfair as something undesired and somehow incorrect.

 I just dont get it, why do not face the situation when it's real, rather than try to prevent something that not even the enemy can...

Youīll have to clearer about what you mean here.
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Re: New theory of democratic Representation: (Feminists should read this!)
« Reply #21 on: 16/02/2017 18:12:30 »
Alex you are replying to jolly not the box. I suspect jolly believes drama is entertaining and as such loves Trump. Me not so much. Entertaining drama keeps your mind off of the problems. Trumps solution to problem solving.
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Re: New theory of democratic Representation: (Feminists should read this!)
« Reply #22 on: 17/02/2017 00:42:05 »
Quote from: Alex Dullius Siqueira on 16/02/2017 10:17:33
Well if true that light reaching you is but a recording of an event, that's no longer there...

Something to do with stars?

Quote from: Alex Dullius Siqueira on 16/02/2017 10:17:33
Anything else needed to add?

Depends if you are actually replying to the idea of Democratic representation.

Quote from: Alex Dullius Siqueira on 16/02/2017 10:17:33
If the event is not occurring as it was at the same way the light is revealing it to you. No need for considerations.
 We certainly can only see the past position of things and we do that from our present position.

 Much things is uncertain yet, but this is clear as day, the only way this to be proof incorrect would require to find evidence that C is instantaneous/unlimited.

OK
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Re: New theory of democratic Representation: (Feminists should read this!)
« Reply #23 on: 17/02/2017 00:46:54 »
Quote from: GoC on 16/02/2017 18:12:30
Alex you are replying to jolly not the box.

Not sure what he is replying to.

Quote from: GoC on 16/02/2017 18:12:30
I suspect jolly believes drama is entertaining and as such loves Trump.

Oh becuase Trump is not a real president?

Quote from: GoC on 16/02/2017 18:12:30

Me not so much.

Only becuase the herd tells you what to think? Or you actually have your own oppinion here?  What if Trump did something you thought was really good for the World, you have have the guts to says it? Or be intimidated by the Herd to stay silent?

Quote from: GoC on 16/02/2017 18:12:30
Entertaining drama keeps your mind off of the problems. Trumps solution to problem solving.

I do not think itīs Trump sturing up the Drama, the media has been doing that.
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Re: New theory of democratic Representation: (Feminists should read this!)
« Reply #24 on: 17/02/2017 10:06:20 »
Yep, sory for the inconvenient. I'll be transferring the reply.
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Re: New theory of democratic Representation: (Feminists should read this!)
« Reply #25 on: 17/02/2017 14:08:34 »
Trump is an entertainer first and a president second. Yes he was elected to the position by states but lost the popular vote. He was totally against the electoral vote in favor of the popular vote. I did not want Clinton either but she got about 6 million more votes. Are you entertained yet?

About my belief in science if it were not for science. Lets say science stopped working. Half the population would be dead in 6 months. There would be hoards of people traveling looking for food of any kind and eventually other people until a new balance occurred with nature. The first to perish would be the weak, young and money changers specifically board members and the wall street group. So yes I am a fan of science but not over population. The population is growing exponentially. Its not going to affect me but the future is at stake. The nutrients in the soil from over production is becoming a problem even with todays population. Trump is like a drug addict only looking at today and his own lifetime. Anti science views. Burn all the oil and hang the future. Of course many feel the same way. I do not.   
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Re: New theory of democratic Representation: (Feminists should read this!)
« Reply #26 on: 17/02/2017 22:21:25 »
Quote from: GoC on 17/02/2017 14:08:34
Trump is an entertainer first and a president second.

No Today Trump is President First, and an entertainer secound.

Quote from: GoC on 17/02/2017 14:08:34
Yes he was elected to the position by states but lost the popular vote.

Actually that is highly debatable. Hilary Stole the Primaries from Bernie Sanders, And really should have been prevented from running in the first place. So Hilary already before the election was engaged in conspiracy to rig the Primary elections.
They Stopped the Recount Jill Stien wanted because the Numbers were actually showing Trump got more votes then previously recorded.

Bev Harris founder of Black Box Voting, a national, nonpartisan elections watchdog group, has claimed that Hiliary tried to steal the election but failed because there was too big a land slide for Trump.

Part of the reason why Trump has launch an investigation into voter fraud.

Hilary Stole the Primaryand it looks like she tried to steal the actual election- appears she achieved stealing the popular vote.

Quote from: GoC on 17/02/2017 14:08:34
He was totally against the electoral vote in favor of the popular vote. I did not want Clinton either but she got about 6 million more votes. Are you entertained yet?

Now itīs 6 million. Iīm not amused, rather disgusted Hilary should never have been allow to win the primary. But the DNC leaks given to Wikileaks were ignored the democrats are still ignoring it, but then when the person Julian Assange believes leaked the information turns up dead shot in the back, maybe silence is being bought and intimidated.


Quote from: GoC on 17/02/2017 14:08:34

About my belief in science if it were not for science. Lets say science stopped working. Half the population would be dead in 6 months. There would be hoards of people traveling looking for food of any kind and eventually other people until a new balance occurred with nature.

Science did not create Food or nature.

Quote from: GoC on 17/02/2017 14:08:34

The first to perish would be the weak, young and money changers specifically board members and the wall street group. So yes I am a fan of science but not over population. The population is growing exponentially.

And its not true https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZVOU5bfHrM

The demograph transition:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsBT5EQt348

Quote from: GoC on 17/02/2017 14:08:34

Its not going to affect me but the future is at stake. The nutrients in the soil from over production is becoming a problem even with todays population. Trump is like a drug addict only looking at today and his own lifetime. Anti science views.

You mean he doesnt agree with the claims about Global warming :) Many scientists disagree about this.

Nobel Laureate Smashes the Global Warming Hoax :-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_5az5OIX2k

Quote from: GoC on 17/02/2017 14:08:34
Burn all the oil and hang the future. Of course many feel the same way. I do not.   

Maybe you should have a more open mind and not simply buy into all the hysteria and propganda certain people and groups like to pump-out.

Facebook Declares War on Nationalism
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« Reply #27 on: 18/02/2017 13:47:37 »
The only one I liked was VP Biden. There are conspiracy theories on both sides and I don't like either side. Trump does not even try to hide his lying and all politicians have to lie to get elected. We get what we vote for in an election.

I talk about the soil being over used to sustain the population and you transfer that to global warming? By measurements the Earth is warming more every year. Total warmth on the Earth is increasing by measurement. What that means may be up for debate but the Earth has gone through many cycles of freeze and warmth through time. To much warmth shuts down the ocean currents by dilution of salt. This will not affect our lifetime except to be more comfortable in the more Northern and Southern most hemisphere. But more severe weather. Are you denying the scientific measurements?

Scientists are trained to be honest in their fields. I have seen first hand want to be scientists fired for abusing the truth. With politicians its a way of life. So yes I trust scientists to do a better job than politicians.

You appear to me as an emotion junky.

Politicians silencing opposition has been going on since socializing for the greater good began. Emotions are both the greatest and worst part of humanity.
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Re: New theory of democratic Representation: (Feminists should read this!)
« Reply #28 on: 18/02/2017 23:20:19 »
Quote from: GoC on 18/02/2017 13:47:37
The only one I liked was VP Biden.

Really did you know Biden wrote the patriot act back in 1995?

Quote from: GoC on 18/02/2017 13:47:37
There are conspiracy theories on both sides and I don't like either side. Trump does not even try to hide his lying and all politicians have to lie to get elected.

Yet Trump has actually done what he said he was going to, So he hasnīt lied has he. Said he was gonna build a Wall he is starting that process, said he was gonna get rid of TTP and did it, said he was gonna get rid of Obama Care and has. Not the same.

Quote from: GoC on 18/02/2017 13:47:37


 We get what we vote for in an election.

Really Tell that to everyone that Voted for Obama.

Quote from: GoC on 18/02/2017 13:47:37

I talk about the soil being over used to sustain the population and you transfer that to global warming?

What?

Quote from: GoC on 18/02/2017 13:47:37

 By measurements the Earth is warming more every year. Total warmth on the Earth is increasing by measurement. What that means may be up for debate but the Earth has gone through many cycles of freeze and warmth through time. To much warmth shuts down the ocean currents by dilution of salt. This will not affect our lifetime except to be more comfortable in the more Northern and Southern most hemisphere. But more severe weather. Are you denying the scientific measurements?

Measurement are being faked, last year was not the hottest year ever, infact the planet is probably going to be getting colder as we are about to enter into a solar minimum.

Quote from: GoC on 18/02/2017 13:47:37

Scientists are trained to be honest in their fields.

If you say so. Utter nonsense, scientist have repeatedly been found misrepresenting data- not hard to do. Fame, wealth and Prestige are more of what Scientists appear to be interested in then Truth.

Quote from: GoC on 18/02/2017 13:47:37

 I have seen first hand want to be scientists fired for abusing the truth. With politicians its a way of life. So yes I trust scientists to do a better job than politicians.

No science is run by people and people are often weak, whatever the walk of life.

Quote from: GoC on 18/02/2017 13:47:37


You appear to me as an emotion junky.

Ok robo boy :D

Quote from: GoC on 18/02/2017 13:47:37


Politicians silencing opposition has been going on since socializing for the greater good began. Emotions are both the greatest and worst part of humanity.

And so it has with Science look what Newton did to Robert Hooke. The idea you have that scientist are some sort of Nobel gent is a fantasy, Scientists fight each other discredit others work for their own benefit and so on- they are as human as the rest of us.

Sadly the exception and not the rule
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« Reply #29 on: 19/02/2017 11:58:02 »
Obviously we do not agree on the definition of a liar or who is to blame for a lie.
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« Reply #30 on: 20/02/2017 23:38:26 »
Quote from: GoC on 19/02/2017 11:58:02
Obviously we do not agree on the definition of a liar or who is to blame for a lie.

Goc according to you "ALL POLITICIANS LIE", That is a simple falsehood, you are talking about an idea very present in modern society simply because politicians have been caught lying repeatedly. Politically Trump did not lie to the populas, which for some reason shocks people īPolitican actually does what he said he would doī, an actual title of some news stories.

Itīs a sad situation if all we expect from politicians is lies, Trump bucking that trend is a good thing and Politicians should not be allowed to get away with lying, and neither should the media. But it appears both in politics and in the media there is a prevelent attitude that itīs fine to lie to dumb herd and keep them ignorant to what is actually going on in the world.

This Elitism has caused  a total disconnect between the people, those in power and those that work for those in power.  That  arrogance and delusion is part of why they were still thinking Hilary was gonna win the Election and that Brexit would never happen. The media is currently doubling down, but then delusion- what else they gonna do? It appears the media have as far as I can tell really bought into the idea that they are there to keep the people mis-informed, stupid, and to direct the stupid masses in "Right Think" and the next war. The more they carry on as they have the less and less relevant they are gonna make themselves. Hopefully the next war wont happen as no one will believe their lies- weīll see.

In a world of lies surely we should welcome some honesty? You really seem to buy into many of the narratives put out, but think about it do you feel this way about Trump, for a valid reason or simply becuase the media told you to?
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« Reply #31 on: 21/02/2017 01:57:50 »
I do not know Trump personally so I only know him through the media. He did say women allowed him to grope them and when some came to claim this to be true he denied the acquisitions. The only way this could be true is if all the women accusers were not groped while the ones that were groped did not come forward. I do not really care about the issue of his groping but I do care that he refused to own his actions. If you do the deed own it don't lie. He is just a typical lying unpolished politician. He does not represent my ideals. If he represents your ideals good for you. 
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« Reply #32 on: 23/02/2017 05:45:23 »
Quote from: GoC on 21/02/2017 01:57:50
I do not know Trump personally so I only know him through the media. He did say women allowed him to grope them and when some came to claim this to be true he denied the acquisitions. The only way this could be true is if all the women accusers were not groped while the ones that were groped did not come forward. I do not really care about the issue of his groping but I do care that he refused to own his actions. If you do the deed own it don't lie. He is just a typical lying unpolished politician. He does not represent my ideals. If he represents your ideals good for you. 

Trump didnīt deny it he said it was locker room talk. Like football players talking about the girl they sex with when they are all virgins.
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« Reply #33 on: 23/02/2017 12:00:26 »
Wow hook line and sinker. You double down just like Trump.

Once again the point of his lie you are diverting is he denied the women coming forward who claimed he groped them. So the only way he did not lie is if the women coming forward were not groped by him and the ones he did grope did not come forward. He bragged he groped women. Hook line and sinker. I trust scientists not your abuse of the facts.
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« Reply #34 on: 25/02/2017 01:30:48 »

Quote from: GoC on 23/02/2017 12:00:26
Wow hook line and sinker. You double down just like Trump.

 :D Doubled down :D

Quote from: GoC on 23/02/2017 12:00:26
Once again the point of his lie you are diverting is he denied the women coming forward who claimed he groped them.

One has nothing to do with the other.

Quote from: GoC on 23/02/2017 12:00:26
So the only way he did not lie is if the women coming forward were not groped by him and the ones he did grope did not come forward. He bragged he groped women. Hook line and sinker. I trust scientists not your abuse of the facts.

Not really hook line and sinker is it, couldnt possibly be that some women might think itīs an easy way to get some cash out of a billionaire? FACTS? not sure you are interested in facts.

Just because he said some women would let him grab them by the *****, which if it was just locker talk might have been a joke and stupid bragging, does not mean that every women that claims he did that is being honest about it, esp if it was a joke. 

Why did no women come forward before this tape was released?

Maybe Trumps a big Crocodile dundee fan, Who knows? I donīt know if he did or did not grab any women by the *****.

Did you see Kim Jong-nam dead?
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« Reply #35 on: 25/02/2017 13:07:34 »
1. Trump claimed he groped women.
2. Woman came forward to confirm said groping.

Now here comes the potential lie by Trump.

3. I did not grope those women.

The only way he did not lie is if the women he groped  did not come forward and those he did not grope came forward.

Washington- I cannot tell a lie
Trump- I did not lie.

His favorite saying- Believe Me

This suggests to me, that person is not used to being believed. 

True scientists never even suggest something so crude as believe me. With us its here is the data. Then the data gets reran for accuracy generally by a second scientist to insure authenticity. Even then it is understood statistically as not 100% accurate.

There is bias in reporting and what is being reported as important.

If a person says I am going to kill another person and does it, that does not mean he or she is not a liar. I do not trust the nature of man or women trying to have power over others and control their lives. I prefer testing and data over willy-nilly choices of personal emotions. Societies are far to complex for willy-nilly.
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« Reply #36 on: 26/02/2017 01:11:48 »

Quote from: GoC on 25/02/2017 13:07:34
1. Trump claimed he groped women.

Not True, a short video was released where Trump is recorded to have said (when famous) "Women will let you grab them by the *****". Which he said was locker room talk. So Trump never claimed that and if it was just locker room talk as he did claim, then it would be unserious, joking about, and exzagerated bragging as all locker room talk is, and is designed to do- namely impress the people arround you at the time. (Men are stupid you dont have to tell me)

Quote from: GoC on 25/02/2017 13:07:34

2. Woman came forward to confirm said groping.

After the tape was released, and there are a lot of other reasons why a women might have come forward to say this after the tape was released, some might have to prevent Trump from continuing his campaign(Trump did suggest that with some I believe) others might have wanted revenge for something, wanted cash, some might have come forward simply to give more inpact to the tape,  there are many reason why people might make up lies about another person.
That is not to say it could not or did not happen; but in the legal system prosumption of innocence is the standard not the Prosumption of Guilt and for a good reason.

Quote from: GoC on 25/02/2017 13:07:34


Now here comes the potential lie by Trump.



Yeah Potencial you got something right at least.

Quote from: GoC on 25/02/2017 13:07:34
3. I did not grope those women.

The only way he did not lie is if the women he groped  did not come forward and those he did not grope came forward.

Not only as locker room talk it might never have happened at all and was simple stupid man bragging, as I suggested before about Virgins talking about the women they slept with. Also if it was a truthful statement and he did grab certain women in that way- these women let him do these things, Therefore they allowed it and there is no abuse at all- ultimatly only the women involved can say.   

Quote from: GoC on 25/02/2017 13:07:34

Washington- I cannot tell a lie
Trump- I did not lie.

His favorite saying- Believe Me

This suggests to me, that person is not used to being believed.
 

I wouldnt suggest Trump isnt used to being believed

Quote from: GoC on 25/02/2017 13:07:34

True scientists never even suggest something so crude as believe me.

Actually they do.

Quote from: GoC on 25/02/2017 13:07:34

With us its here is the data. Then the data gets reran for accuracy generally by a second scientist to insure authenticity. Even then it is understood statistically as not 100% accurate.

There is bias in reporting and what is being reported as important.

If a person says I am going to kill another person and does it, that does not mean he or she is not a liar. I do not trust the nature of man or women trying to have power over others and control their lives. I prefer testing and data over willy-nilly choices of personal emotions. Societies are far to complex for willy-nilly.

And yet you have no real data in this regard and have decided that Trump certainly did something and is certainly guilty, With only speculations, accusations and heresay. Very Scientific.
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Re: New theory of democratic Representation: (Feminists should read this!)
« Reply #37 on: 26/02/2017 12:36:14 »
Quote from: Jolly on 26/02/2017 01:11:48

 (Men are stupid you dont have to tell me)


And this is what you want for the leader of the free world?

Reality is a foreign concept for many of the followers. I would suggest you might be hanging around the wrong men. Unless of course some women need stupid men in their life to feel better about their self. In that case who better than Trump as a leader of men. Or is it drama queens being attracted to a drama king. Curious..
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Trump is following the teachings of Hitler. Burning books and not allowing the New York times is just the tip of the iceberg. Will he try to burn the internet when he perceives it as dangerous? History repeats itself. Information is Trumps enemy. Except for the followers of Hitler's ideals. Heil Trump.
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Hitler vilified the Jewish peoples exciting the part of the brain that wants to blame others for their positions in life. Trump is following the same game plan as Hitler vilifying the Mexicans and those of the Muslim faith. They are not the cause of our problems in society. Robotics and science has created our ability to make more than we need without people making wages. The weak and those less able to compete in the rules of society are being left out in the cold. We are not recognizing the orthogonal measure this efficiency is creating.

Yes we need to reward innovation but also understand how this affects society with the new reality of excess. Measuring your contribution to society is extremely difficult. Measuring your destruction of society is emotionally more quantifiable.
I find the Mexicans are very hard working people in my experience and willing to take less from our society's excesses.

How can a politician blame robotics and efficiency for the problems that creates in society. They cannot so there has to be a scape goat. Currently it is Mexicans and the Muslim faith. Trump is as guilty of ignorance as the people who believe incorrectly he can cure society's problems by vilifying certain groups of people. Denying the press and news is the first step Hitler and all dictators take. Abusing and altering perception is necessary to trample on the rights of people.

Your claim that men are stupid, I am beginning to have some agreement with. Man does not learn from its mistakes of the past. Chose your leaders wisely. At least give them a sociological test to remove Hitler types. The leaders can be only as bad as the followers let them.   
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