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Quote from: Jolly on 26/02/2017 01:11:48 (Men are stupid you dont have to tell me) And this is what you want for the leader of the free world?Reality is a foreign concept for many of the followers. I would suggest you might be hanging around the wrong men. Unless of course some women need stupid men in their life to feel better about their self. In that case who better than Trump as a leader of men. Or is it drama queens being attracted to a drama king. Curious..
(Men are stupid you dont have to tell me)
Trump is following the teachings of Hitler. Burning books and not allowing the New York times is just the tip of the iceberg. Will he try to burn the internet when he perceives it as dangerous? History repeats itself. Information is Trumps enemy. Except for the followers of Hitler's ideals. Heil Trump.
Hitler vilified the Jewish peoples exciting the part of the brain that wants to blame others for their positions in life. Trump is following the same game plan as Hitler vilifying the Mexicans and those of the Muslim faith.
They are not the cause of our problems in society.
Robotics and science has created our ability to make more than we need without people making wages. The weak and those less able to compete in the rules of society are being left out in the cold. We are not recognizing the orthogonal measure this efficiency is creating.
Yes we need to reward innovation but also understand how this affects society with the new reality of excess. Measuring your contribution to society is extremely difficult. Measuring your destruction of society is emotionally more quantifiable.I find the Mexicans are very hard working people in my experience and willing to take less from our society's excesses.How can a politician blame robotics and efficiency for the problems that creates in society. They cannot so there has to be a scape goat. Currently it is Mexicans and the Muslim faith. Trump is as guilty of ignorance as the people who believe incorrectly he can cure society's problems by vilifying certain groups of people. Denying the press and news is the first step Hitler and all dictators take. Abusing and altering perception is necessary to trample on the rights of people.
Your claim that men are stupid, I am beginning to have some agreement with. Man does not learn from its mistakes of the past. Chose your leaders wisely. At least give them a sociological test to remove Hitler types. The leaders can be only as bad as the followers let them.
what on earth. Trump is not following the teachings of Hilter where do you get this idea?
Quote from: Jolly on 01/03/2017 20:36:36 what on earth. Trump is not following the teachings of Hilter where do you get this idea? From his second wife, who stated it in a TV interview.The comparison between Sean Spicer's "alternative facts" and Goebbels' "big lie" is beyond coincidence. You can tell a lot about a man by the company he chooses.
Jolly, Between the Democrats buying votes from the poor and the Republicans trying to create economic slavery you believe Trump will correct this in some fashion?
The problems are not the Mexicans or the Muslims. Trump just tapped into the psyche of American distrust of the unknown and the willingness to blame others for their position in life.
Hitler did the same thing with the Jewish people. Do you recognize cycles? A person will rise to the situation.
I trust science not emotions. Trump is an emotional junky.
Robotics and science has changed the nature of economics to be able to exclude people as less necessary for over production by efficiency.
Our manufacturing infrastructure is changing by creating more poor and less middle class.
An emotional junky will unlikely have the incite to correct our course. All forms of government eventually destroy themselves even capitalism. Communism destroys incentive capitalism eventually finds its funds in the pockets of the few. We need a structured government distribution of work rewarding innovation while keeping the body healthy.
Trump does not really show signs of trying to keep the body healthy. America has a drug cancer due to lack of engaging all its citizens.
It is those we leave behind that will destroy us. We are not seeing the real threats just pushing full steam ahead into the storm.
Thanks for jumping in there. Am I to understand that Trumps Ex wife is a Hitler expert of sorts?
Quote from: Jolly on 02/03/2017 22:34:04Thanks for jumping in there. Am I to understand that Trumps Ex wife is a Hitler expert of sorts? No, a Trump expert.
Quote from: GoC on 02/03/2017 11:56:23Robotics and science has changed the nature of economics to be able to exclude people as less necessary for over production by efficiency. That is not what has lead to loss of jobs, factories moving to asia was as I stated before- in the interest of gaining more profit, if it was a simple technological issue the comapnies could have stayed in america and innovated- and they didnt did they!Quote from: GoC on 02/03/2017 11:56:23Our manufacturing infrastructure is changing by creating more poor and less middle class.Quote from: GoC on 02/03/2017 11:56:23Robotics and science has changed the nature of economics to be able to exclude people as less necessary for over production by efficiency. QuoteThat is not what has lead to loss of jobs, factories moving to asia was as I stated before- in the interest of gaining more profit, if it was a simple technological issue the comapnies could have stayed in america and innovated- and they didnt did they!Quote from: GoC on 02/03/2017 11:56:23Robotics and science has changed the nature of economics to be able to exclude people as less necessary for over production by efficiency.
That is not what has lead to loss of jobs, factories moving to asia was as I stated before- in the interest of gaining more profit, if it was a simple technological issue the comapnies could have stayed in america and innovated- and they didnt did they!
Quote from: GoC on 02/03/2017 11:56:23An emotional junky will unlikely have the incite to correct our course. All forms of government eventually destroy themselves even capitalism. Communism destroys incentive capitalism eventually finds its funds in the pockets of the few. We need a structured government distribution of work rewarding innovation while keeping the body healthy.
Here we go with tenocracy and elitism again
Quote from: alancalverd on 02/03/2017 23:48:12Quote from: Jolly on 02/03/2017 22:34:04Thanks for jumping in there. Am I to understand that Trumps Ex wife is a Hitler expert of sorts? No, a Trump expert.LOLQuote from: Jolly on 02/03/2017 22:54:20Quote from: GoC on 02/03/2017 11:56:23Robotics and science has changed the nature of economics to be able to exclude people as less necessary for over production by efficiency. That is not what has lead to loss of jobs, factories moving to asia was as I stated before- in the interest of gaining more profit, if it was a simple technological issue the comapnies could have stayed in america and innovated- and they didnt did they!Quote from: GoC on 02/03/2017 11:56:23Our manufacturing infrastructure is changing by creating more poor and less middle class.Quote from: GoC on 02/03/2017 11:56:23Robotics and science has changed the nature of economics to be able to exclude people as less necessary for over production by efficiency. QuoteThat is not what has lead to loss of jobs, factories moving to asia was as I stated before- in the interest of gaining more profit, if it was a simple technological issue the comapnies could have stayed in america and innovated- and they didnt did they!Quote from: GoC on 02/03/2017 11:56:23Robotics and science has changed the nature of economics to be able to exclude people as less necessary for over production by efficiency. They took the technology to Asia. And reaped the rewards of $1.50 per hour. Double dipped for profit. Your understanding must be blind in one eye
QuoteQuote from: GoC on 02/03/2017 11:56:23An emotional junky will unlikely have the incite to correct our course. All forms of government eventually destroy themselves even capitalism. Communism destroys incentive capitalism eventually finds its funds in the pockets of the few. We need a structured government distribution of work rewarding innovation while keeping the body healthy.QuoteHere we go with tenocracy and elitism again The basic concept of society is for the good of all not just a few. Labeling in order to be prejudice to an idea is just a politicians buzz word.
In order for a body to be healthy blood has to flow to all parts. If the brain hordes all of the blood the body dies. Your prejudice seems to be towards the brain getting all of the blood.
I favor a healthy body yes. I believe in science over emotions to create and distribute the blood of the body.
Power of emotions will not distribute the blood properly. Politicians have there own self interest. When a man get tired of money for existence a man seeks power. You seem to be blind in one eye about the nature of man.
Says the person who seems to forget that Scientists are men too. The USSR was a scientific society- do you know what happened there?
Quote from: GoC on 03/03/2017 11:50:06I favor a healthy body yes. I believe in science over emotions to create and distribute the blood of the body.Which is impossible, man cannot rid himself of Emotion, it would be a delusion to think he had.
Quote from: Jolly on 04/03/2017 02:55:22Says the person who seems to forget that Scientists are men too. The USSR was a scientific society- do you know what happened there?If the press lies like you suggest how could anyone really know?
Quote from: Jolly on 04/03/2017 02:55:22Quote from: GoC on 03/03/2017 11:50:06I favor a healthy body yes. I believe in science over emotions to create and distribute the blood of the body.Which is impossible, man cannot rid himself of Emotion, it would be a delusion to think he had.You definitely view the negative side of man as the dominate side.
Government looks at society and tries to run government top down.
This way they have control. They become callous towards the weak and hungry. The ones left behind have drugs to fill their hopeless lives. There is a void in there psyche not being able to contribute to society. We feel better about ourselves by calling them lazy.
Some of society cannot compete favorably in our society. It is up to society to help them compete.
We can create an army of worker skills to fix the infrastructure of the US. All countries could do this. Don't have a job? Join the army core of engineering apprentice program. Need day care there is some in the core with that talent. Train and work in all aspects of building from houses to bridges. Incentivize increased skills to become the new trainers as the talent went into main stream free enterprise. You have to build self worth into those in your society
or let the cancer destroy the body. Our politicians do not even recognize the true cancer.I am afraid your savior Trump is missing the mark also. I would use the scientific method to test my approach using pilot groups.
Yes I have emotion and my strongest emotion is towards success. If I won a big lottery I would pull kids off the city streets and test my beliefs in people.
Give me the most damaged and downtrodden to make my successes even greater.
I could make them productive members of society with self respect as their drug of choice.
In one pilot group I would like to try in a desert, living underground and a solar society. Underground for temperature efficiency. The underground shaded by solar panels for the energy needs. There are many advantages to building underground.
I could really use those hard working Mexicans and those of the Muslim faith that Trump is trying to throw away.
I would also like to use the Thorium nuclear process we are handing over to the Chinese. Its cheep and safe. Thorium is abundant all over the globe and two chemistry students can run the reaction. There is no waste. The half life is days and not thousands of years. The only reason the US went to plutonium is to sell the pellets for a big profit. Profits over safety and efficiency should land someone in jail. But top down pocket politics rule the land.The scientific method if left alone would have chosen the safer inexhaustible approach. Very little weaponization issues with thorium either.
So you want is a politician over a scientist?
No what I would like to see is a society that is better able to repsond to the concerns and needs of the population, democracy cetainly fulfills that role to a degree, the market does also, and Iīm sure there are other mecanism by which that could happen also.
See your starting to be more idealistic already.
I think we'd be better off, if we were governed by women,. Because women don't start wars. Wars are always started by men.
Thatcher, Meir, Bandarinaike, Indira Ghandi....in modern times it seems that, proportionately, women in presidential or prime minsterial positions are more likely to start wars, execute their rivals or preside over internal massacres than men. There just happens to be fewer women with the opportunity to do so. The line of warmongering queens stretches back via Victoria and Elizabeth I to Boudicca.
Jolly I can understand Alan using the scientific method of data mining but You surprised me by your use of data stats.