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True, but only if you consider one reference frame, if you consider two independent reference frames no one can agree which part is now, since my future might be your past, as the space interval connection between us is zero.
I believe there the present 'moment' is the same throughout infinity .. there may or may not be a past, but there is a future, many fulfilled prophecies have been proven. I believe Non locality is merely a reduction of space to zero .. an elimination of space.
I don't get it, I prove time does not exist and nobody seemingly cares.....
Quote from: Thebox on 18/01/2016 15:10:39I don't get it, I prove time does not exist and nobody seemingly cares.....Either you're a genius unsurpassed and nobody understands you, or you're full of rubbish nobody cares to respond to you.Which one is it? I don't know.
These forums sure do seem to attract the mentally ill. Time cube. Nuff said.
Quote from: sam7 on 18/01/2016 19:40:59Quote from: Thebox on 18/01/2016 15:10:39I don't get it, I prove time does not exist and nobody seemingly cares.....Either you're a genius unsurpassed and nobody understands you, or you're full of rubbish nobody cares to respond to you.Which one is it? I don't know.Nobody must understandthe big bang is not the start of time, the big bang was the start of history.
and the originator of this thread needs to clarify his thoughts so the rest of us can understand him.
Okay .. so 0 + 1 = 1. How is this relevant to what you are saying, that time does not exist?
I'd like to make a short comment about how I understand the past and the future. While I agree that the only reality we have is the present, human experience understands the past as history and the future as an execution of a plan.Example: I can remember an event in the past, it is therefore an historical event.Example: I can rationalize a future event because I can predict the results of an action taken here in the present. For example; I stick a pin into an inflated balloon and it will surely pop.So these two concepts; "past and future" are products of memory and plans but the only reality we really experience is the present. So in principle, I understand what TheBox is trying to explain. But the words "past and future" have a very necessary utility when we are describing physical events and their causes. I think it is quite unnecessary to try and discard their meaning or use.Just my two cents...............................
Do you or anyone else interested , not understand why ''time'' can not possibly dilate?
Quote from: Thebox on 20/01/2016 04:35:34Do you or anyone else interested , not understand why ''time'' can not possibly dilate?Relative to an individuals personal time, it won't appear to dilate. However, we have through experiment proven that, relative to the observer, time is variant. The observers experience of times passage for the observed depends upon several things. One is the velocity at which the object being observed is accelerating and another is the influence of a gravitational field upon the one being observed. My personal observance of how time passes in my reference frame will not appear to change. But for an observer witnessing those same events, depending on my velocity and the gravitational field in which I exist, it can.
so I'm not sure why you are yet again trying to claim the moral high ground.
energy variance at a guess , just like light and most things have a variance.
Quote from: Thebox on 20/01/2016 05:11:56energy variance at a guess , just like light and most things have a variance.I think this is where I get off Mr. Box. The speed of light has been accepted by every physicist the world over as the one thing that is invariant. It remains the same in all frames of reference whether in varied degrees of motion or in varied degrees of gravitational influence. I therefore leave it to someone else to sort out the errors you evidently don't yet understand.
Also, your idea that anything more than zero is history is correct, but so evidently correct to be uninteresting beyond belief. That may be why nobody really cares. Just my 2 cents.
The point Sam7 is making is that this is so obvious that it is taken as given and really doesn't make any difference to science.Science measures the time between events and uses this info in the same way distance is used. This is a very useful process. We can use history to predict the future - if an object has been falling for 10s, if nothing changes its fall we can predict where it will be in another 10s. Time like distance has a consistency at low relative speeds.People may just have got tired of entering into another pointless discussion full of misunderstandings about basic science.
The past is now.
Not true .. and Einstein never said it was invariant ..
Quote from: Alohascope on 23/01/2016 02:08:07Not true .. and Einstein never said it was invariant .. In the proper vacuum of space, c is most certainly invariant. And as I was addressing Mr. Box about his flawed view of time and space, the wise member should have recognized the context to which I was responding. I think most of the individuals involved in this thread quite understood why I made the statement about the invariance of c. Welcome to my ignore list..............Mr. Aloha........
My ideas revolve around the fact that the speed of light is constant and invariant in a vacuum, without this I would of never considered the clarity of space was also an invariant while light is present.
Are you saying that not only is the past and future irrelevant, but that they don't physically exist?
I can not say if the past or the future is irrelevant or relevant , because it would be an impossibility to know if they really physically exist.
Quote from: Thebox on 24/01/2016 07:07:35I can not say if the past or the future is irrelevant or relevant , because it would be an impossibility to know if they really physically exist. Let's establish one important fact about the search for truth. Proving anything is something science rarely achieves. In my estimation, the only thing science can effectively prove is that change occurs in nature. In quantum mechanics, we've learned not to predict exact outcomes, we call that scientific philosophy: The science of probabilities."I'm not asking you for proof my friend. The truth is, none of us can prove anything to another if they are unwilling to first believe the evidence. That being said, what I believe or what you believe is based upon the mental picture of how probable our speculations line up with our observations. Even Einstein began his work on Relativity using mental pictures and the calculations came later. Unless you can identify what you believe about this question, whether you can prove it or not, our combined scrutiny will get us nowhere. So, I'll ask you one more time, "does the past and future exist in our physical reality?"
Relatively the past and future exists simultaneously in the now is my answer. Would you like me to explain more relatively why this is relativity?
Quote from: Thebox on 24/01/2016 15:02:40Relatively the past and future exists simultaneously in the now is my answer. Would you like me to explain more relatively why this is relativity?Not so fast my friend, as I said before let's proceed slowly so we both have a chance to absorb these thoughts.Another question: If the past and future exist simultaneously, how do you explain "change"? For change to occur, things are different now from what they were. If the past and future exist instantly together, "simultaneously", it seems to me nothing would ever change.
,'' things are different now from what they were''what they were is a memory of now of what they were.
Quote from: Thebox on 24/01/2016 15:41:21,'' things are different now from what they were''what they were is a memory of now of what they were. You'll have to forgive me Mr. Box, something tells me we're not speaking the same language because that last sentence makes absolutely no sense to me. Nevertheless, I do have a couple things to say about time that you may find interesting. Let's preform a thought experiment................An astronaut is on a space craft traveling at c, I realize that's impossible but please just bare with me. He starts his trip just after the big bang and travels along with the expanding universe to some point in the far future where some theories suggests that a heat death has just finished it's epoch end. For the traveler in the ship, he realizes no passage of time, one moment the big bang has taken place and the next, everything has come to a very cold end. For him, there has been no passage of time. His past, present, and future are all rolled up into a very brief instant. This is a result of his velocity and the time dilation that's involved with that frame of reference. Within this same universe, we provide a fictional character that was born at the moment the big bang commenced and has lived until that same hypothetical heat death also occurs. We now arrange to have both men meet and ask them to tell us of their experiences. The astronaut will exclaim; "I just got here, I have no story to tell." On the other hand, our very long lived fictional man will exclaim; "Boy!! you sure have missed at lot of things."Time dilation is a fact my friend, if you continue to seek to eliminate it from your scientific model, you're going to experience a great deal of grief when discussing this phenomenon with other members of this forum. Take my advice and consider that when everyone else understands things a little different than you do, it is very likely that you may be in error.Whether you're in error or not, it has become very clear to me that no one here has yet been able to understand precisely what you're trying to explain and that includes myself as well.I gave it a try Mr. Box but I think we're spinning our wheels here. Sorry,... but I'm ready to move on. Please don't take offense my friend, let's just agree to disagree...........................
Like minds attract. Nothing strange about that.
Quote from: sam7 on 25/01/2016 08:27:37Like minds attract. Nothing strange about that. Was that a lame attempt at insult or a worthless effort to impress us?
Quote from: sam7 on 25/01/2016 08:27:37Like minds attract. Nothing strange about that. Was that a lame attempt at insult or a failed effort to impress us?
Quote from: Ethos_ on 25/01/2016 23:15:23Quote from: sam7 on 25/01/2016 08:27:37Like minds attract. Nothing strange about that. Was that a lame attempt at insult or a failed effort to impress us?Well I certainly wasn't trying to impress anybody.What I was saying is that TheBox seems to enjoy spewing ridiculous sentences with garbled terminology that 'sounds good' in order to come across to the layman as an expert in the field. He is not a genius or an expert. If what he says was logical and made sense, I would not have a problem with him. However, he spams these Cambridge-based forums like nobody's business and always has an opinion no matter how incorrect or self-serving towards his own ideas. I remember a while ago he said he was going to make his last post, but here he is so clearly that was just a bid for attention/validation.No matter how many times we tell him he is barking up the wrong tree with something he insists that he is right and everybody else is wrong. It's clearly some kind of superiority/ inability to to adapt to new ideas. Everything that a scientist should not be.
Google: Is the speed of light in a vacuum invariant? You will see several choices but the top choice 'Is The Speed of Light Everywhere the Same? - Ucr' is interesting. Now .. enter Does a photon have mass? Choose 'What is the mass of a photon? - Ucr'Iff a photon has mass, which it is said to have, it will be affected by gravity, however slightly .. so it's speed will vary in a vacuum.
Quote from: Alohascope on 26/01/2016 02:42:42Google: Is the speed of light in a vacuum invariant? You will see several choices but the top choice 'Is The Speed of Light Everywhere the Same? - Ucr' is interesting. Now .. enter Does a photon have mass? Choose 'What is the mass of a photon? - Ucr'Iff a photon has mass, which it is said to have, it will be affected by gravity, however slightly .. so it's speed will vary in a vacuum.As I understand it a photon is considered to have 0 rest mass. However, it does have momentum (p=mv) and anything with momentum will be affected by gravity. The complication is that no matter what gravity field you are in you will measure the speed of light to be the same, but someone else in a different gravity field will measure the speed of light at your location to be different. One way of looking at this is that gravity distorts spacetime and so the coordinates you are using for measurement are not the same as those used by the other person.