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I think you have got it sort of, maybe!I will try to explain, it hurts my brain trying to think really deep. Consider a length from A to Bany measurement you can think ofthis is now a set quantity constant.I will use the distance of 299 792 458 mA→299 792 458 m→BIf I was to measure the speed of light p=cI will record 1 second of time for the light from A to reach B and exactly 1 second to light from B to reach point A. to give the result 299 792 458 m/s in either direction. Do you agree thus far?299 792 458 m/s is equal to 1 second=9,192, 631,770 cycles So we can show d=A→9,192, 631,770 cycles →B = d=A→→→→→299 792 458 m→BNow if there was to be less cycles, there would be less distance. if there isn't less distance then that means there is a lesser speed of rate, we can show the comparison like this d=A→9,192, 631,770 cycles →B d=A→ 631,770 cycles →BNow the problem isd=A→→→→→299 792 458 m→BThe distance remains the same which shows a rate change does not change the constant of time.

Ok, after some head scratching and chin rubbing here, (chuckle) I think I can see where you are going wrong...The 'cycles' you refer to are the cycles of a caesium atom, and the caesium atom, inclusive of it's frequency, does not radiate at the speed of light, as photons do.

Otherwise, logically speaking, 'distance' has been rendered as a variable!

Edit: Otherwise, logically speaking, 'distance' has been rendered as a variable!

Quote from: timey on 31/01/2016 02:00:37Edit: Otherwise, logically speaking, 'distance' has been rendered as a variable!Yes, you understand distance and time are variable under SR for a non local observer, and you understand that light only has constant speed for a local observer in a gravitational field under GR. however, if you read The Box's other posts you will realise that he claims that the speed of light is variable under SR, that is it follows Galilean Relativity not SR. This is why he thinks distance is constant for all observers.This is an instance where learning requires a pupil willing to learn. Despite that, do try, maybe you will succeed.

my understanding of SR, it is garbage. ........... Galilean relativity? never heard of it ,

ipsi dixit.

Firstly you can point me to the observation experiment and proof.

I_{r} = I_{0}/r^{2} in my universe. What happens in yours?

Quote from: Thebox on 31/01/2016 07:14:53Firstly you can point me to the observation experiment and proof.Please follow Alan's suggestions in post #9.It is not the purpose of this forum to provided a full course of science, you have to do some work yourself.

Everything in science is hypothesis, so why should I state the obvious.Proofs exist only in mathematics and logic, not in science. In this section of the forum we discuss those theories considered to be reasonably consistent with observations and other theories. If you have an alternative theory you are welcome to discuss it in New Theories.You still need to do a lot of homework before you get near the starting block. Start by understanding dimensional analysis; then to be understood you need to use standard scientific terminology to describe your ideas rather than inventing you own language and interpretations.Practice in New Theories until you get it right.

Ok, so first thing, your maths are wrong.If you want to get 0.9 of a second, you need to divide your caesium atoms number of cycles by 10 and then subtract the answer from the original figure. You will see that this amounts to a lot more than you have allowed for.Next, you need to understand that the caesium atom's cycles are subject to a change in their frequency due to changes in a gravitational field.Should be all plain sailing from there... I reckon...

Hmm, OK let me play along and ask about dimensional analysis, ''analysis using the fact that physical quantities added to or equated with each other must be expressed in terms of the same fundamental quantities''.....299 792 458 m = 9,192,631,770 Hz. =1 second

Quote from: Thebox on 31/01/2016 10:22:10Hmm, OK let me play along and ask about dimensional analysis, ''analysis using the fact that physical quantities added to or equated with each other must be expressed in terms of the same fundamental quantities''.....299 792 458 m = 9,192,631,770 Hz. =1 second No, before you go any further your dimensional analysis is wrong.Read what you quoted.It means the dimensions on each side of the equals sign must be the same.You cannot have m=Hz=sYou have to end up with the same units on each side of the equationYou have to start here before trying to go on.if you have Hz on one side you must have Hz on the other which are also cycles/s

so how is 299 792 458 m/ 9,192,631,770 Hz an inequality?I get 0.03261225571 something.

Quote from: Thebox on 31/01/2016 14:23:20 9,192,631,770 Hz an inequality?I get 0.03261225571 something.One apple is not equal to one orange Mr. Box and neither is a meter equal to a Hertz.

9,192,631,770 Hz an inequality?I get 0.03261225571 something.