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Yes, a lot (but not all) research on these pharmaceuticals is funded by the producers. This certainly puts their objectivity into question. On the other hand, they are publishing in medical journals with very high standards -- journals which are seen to have the utmost credibility in the scientific community. What makes these journals credible? In part, the extremely rigorous peer-review process, and the fact that the results of publications show to be reliable in the long run, show to be significant, show to have superior predictive power to the alternatives, and judgments made from these journal results often continue scientific progress.
Also, if a pharmaceutical company omits presenting known dangers of a drug, they are likely to lose a lot of money in lawsuits. And this has happened. Conversely, the critics are not in nearly as much danger. They can make vague claims against the drug and won't lose much for doing so -- particularly since most critics are not under public scrutiny. Consequently, the pharmaceutical companies are often held to a higher degree of accountability than the critics.Anyways, this discussion is probably more suited to a thread of its own . At this point I am just trying to counter-balance the argument against SSRIs; I don't think this has much relevance to POIS. My point here is that it isn't so black and white, and it is highly credible that SSRIs are one of many logical approaches to psychological problems. Every approach will have its critics, and we have to examine the credibility of the evidence on both sides.
Hope you're all doing well, I haven't seen any more positive (or negative) reviews posted for the clove-a-day solution, keep me in the loop.
I know nobody has been on this forum for a while, but i just discovered that i have this problem called POIS and it really affecting my daily life. I was just wondering if people have tried the products from the company called Herballove, that claims to solve the problems from POIS.
Dear Animus,The questionnaire can be found at http://pois.olympe-network.com [Links inactive - To make links active and clickable, login or click here to register]Your input would be of great value.sparx: Right now there is no option to edit your responses. However, there will be an opportunity in a couple months to add to what you've written, or to repost your responses with new information.
Concerning Herballove, I tried some of the products as well and they did nothing for me. I am skeptical that "Dr" Lin's products do what they claim.
There is a section on "over-masturbation" (http://herballove.com/article.asp?Art=216 [Links inactive - To make links active and clickable, login or click here to register]) which describes many of the horrible symptoms of POIS - especially brain fog.
Hey Guys/Gals, I'm a pharmacist of 14+ years, and I've gone to medical school for 2 years. I think that we have a good chance of beating this thing, but its going to take everyone's help. First of all, from my research with this syndrome it is the male version of chronic fatigue disorder. The difference is that most men, are able to keep the infection at bay until they have an orgasm. The orgasm sets in motion a hormonal cascade that is detrimental to the immune system and beneficial to the infection that we all currently have. I know a lot of you have discussed fungal infections and specifically, Candida. That may be part of it, but is most likely secondary. The candida infection is secondary to a latent L-form bacteria infection that you have that has infiltrated your immune system. The good news is, there is a cure. The bad news is, it may take up to 5 years in some cases. The reason why most of us do not have full blown Chronic Fatigue Syndrome as discribed by Trevor MARSHALL, Biochemist, is because men in general have a much more robust immune system. While we have a latent infection, keep in mind, its still an infection, we just go on living our lives with very few symptoms.. that is.. until we are stressed out, have sex or experience some sort of physical trauma. This again, causes a cascade of events that allows the latent infection to re-emerge and start producing toxins that cause us significant fatigue, both physical, emotional, and mental. Up until now, many of you have found ways to mask the symptoms or at least bring your immune system back online to bring the fight back to the infection to force it back into latency. If that works for you, great. If not, consider starting the MARSHALL PROTOCOL and start working towards a total eradication of the L-form bacteria, which in turn will take care of the candida, which will take care of the fatigue.Best Wishes,Dr. Matt
CC, welcome to the POIS Forum! I went to the website http://www.herballove.com/ [Links inactive - To make links active and clickable, login or click here to register] and didn't see anything related to POIS problems. Can you point me to the right place on their website? Thank you!ps - can you tell us more about your POIS experiences?
...the [POIS] hormonal imbalances are caused by this infection...
For those saying that it's a physiological issue, I say that it most certainly is not.
While we have a latent infection, keep in mind, its still an infection, we just go on living our lives with very few symptoms.. that is.. until we are stressed out, have sex or experience some sort of physical trauma
Again, I think pretty much everyone missed the nuance in what I was suggesting in regards to psychological issues.
Can I just say that it's fantastic to see the solidarity of fellowship amongst the wonderful people here in this thread.Demografx and everybody else does a wonderful job to investigate and continue the motivation to find a cure/treatment. Demografx is a fantastic moderator !You are all extremely correct to treat any new information with skepticism and question everything...and do keep questioning !..This is of course how true results are found by asking and empirical research !Hopefully Dr Matt will respond with some evidence not just of his findings but also his/her credentials. If Dr Matt is bonafide then he/she should not step away from the questions but relish the opportunity here to elaborate further.Good on you all !!Hugsneil
At least, we in the West have gotten beyond illness viewed as "demonic possession."  Or maybe we've just exchanged the term "demons" for that of psycho-pathology.
I think this is...perhaps a problem with the adrenal glands.
Quote from: Counterpoints on 12/09/2008 20:21:20I think this is...perhaps a problem with the adrenal glands.Counterpoints, this is exactly what a longtime Oriental medicine practitioner concluded about my POIS years ago. Specifically, she said my adrenal glands were "too small" - presumably to withstand the shock of orgasm?
Has anyone else here been tested for thyroid problems? Compare your symptoms: http://thyroid.about.com/cs/testsforthyroid/a/selftest.htm [Links inactive - To make links active and clickable, login or click here to register]
- I often feel as though I'm engaged in the "flight" response during periods of POIS
So it surprises me that a TCM practitioner would actually conclude that your adrenals are too small....? Which isn't to say that they're not, it's just that it seems a rather a presumptuous diagnosis.
According to my understanding of Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM), the emphasis there is not so much on the physical pathology, but more on the function of the organs and movement of chi (energy) through them.