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« Reply #12900 on: 22/04/2011 09:54:34 »
I think the allergic reaction is causing the inflammation, not the opposite. And we suppose the door  for semen might be the urethra or vas deferens by  blood vessels or a tissues.
I agree with you.

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« Reply #12901 on: 22/04/2011 09:58:04 »
I am really counting on Vandemolen to tell us hopefully in a couple of months if he is seeing any improvement as a result of his hyposensitization.
I will. I also hope so that there will be a big improvement. But every POIS-patient reacts differently to desensitization.

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« Reply #12902 on: 22/04/2011 15:38:00 »
He thinks that it must be an inflamation somewhere. To have an alergy, the semen have to reach the blood. An inflamation is a door for the semen to get into the blood. Is there some of you is taking prednisone or something like that? Thank you.

I think the allergic reaction is causing the inflammation, not the opposite. And we suppose the door  for semen might be the urethra or vas deferens by  blood vessels or a tissues.

I think you're BOTH right!

This parallels Dr. Waldinger's suppositions quite well.

A type I allergy produces IgE as a defense(the initial inflamation/allergy), which among other things reduces the permiability of the tissues, permiting greater fluid transfer to increase counter-attack efficiency. This could actually "produce the gap" which enables a deeper penetration for the type IV process to commence.

The question is why doesn't this happen with everybody?

My case for instance, a vasectomy for 20 yrs. then a reversal 10 yrs. The 20 yrs of vasectomy produced anti-bodies to the sperm. Very healthy anti-bodies. The 10 yrs of reversal permited the antibodies to attach to the sperm, which afer so much time, weakened the vas and epidydimus.

My urologist, warned me this damage may happen, suggesting that it would be enough to "close the vas". Also didn't give much hope for fertility after the reversal, which proved correct.

My POIS appeared about 5 or 6 years after the reversal. So, I see the damage with time of antibody laden sperm in sensitive and delicate tissues as the the origin of "the gap".

What is it in others? Is it the reason for all POIS? We still don't know.

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« Reply #12903 on: 22/04/2011 16:14:22 »
Has anyone here tried consuming sweet potatoes to counteract POIS? This is one food that I had previously found a correlated with fewer symptoms. Sweet potatos are well known for their anti-inflammatory properties. This week I had an NE with resulting minor POIS symptoms. A few days into it I remembered this food and ate a bunch (the orange type) and the next day symptoms were gone. There are other possible reasons: I started taking some herbal prostate pills, and I also did some icing with a cold pack on the front pelvic area. I'm thinking that something in this mix helped me. Sweet potatoes would be an easy thing for others to try against inflammation if that is in fact our enemy.

I thought we had discussed sweet potatoes in the past but my search for the posts came up rather dry.

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« Reply #12904 on: 22/04/2011 17:06:25 »
Has anyone here tried consuming sweet potatoes to counteract POIS? This is one food that I had previously found a correlated with fewer symptoms. Sweet potatos are well known for their anti-inflammatory properties. This week I had an NE with resulting minor POIS symptoms. A few days into it I remembered this food and ate a bunch (the orange type) and the next day symptoms were gone. There are other possible reasons: I started taking some herbal prostate pills, and I also did some icing with a cold pack on the front pelvic area. I'm thinking that something in this mix helped me. Sweet potatoes would be an easy thing for others to try against inflammation if that is in fact our enemy.

I thought we had discussed sweet potatoes in the past but my search for the posts came up rather dry.
I eat sweet potatoes a few times a year. But I didn't mention any relief. But you never know.

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« Reply #12905 on: 22/04/2011 17:45:10 »
I have the solution to POIS..... if only I could duplicate what happened last night!

It's been 3 wks of abstenence, and I'm getting a little antsy. But I need a break! And besides, the last "O" was scary, I don't want another one of those for a while!!

The wife and I played a little bit, but she knows I need a break, so we left it... there.

But later in the night I began to dream. In the dream I was really hot, and was touching IT. But I knew I couldn't get serious, albeit, I saw that I was going overboard, and so put my all into a really good orgasm. I didn't wake up right away, but when I did, the first thing I did was "check"..   and dry as a bone!

It was a virtual orgasm, but seemed very real and satisfying. I really couldn't beleive that I hadn't really "O'd". I had to chack about 4 times. Sheets, pants, etc. Nothing.

At worst I had a fair pressure in the prostate area, which is giving me problems right now anyways.

But today I'm fine. It wasn't a dry orgasm, I'm fairly sure that I didn't REALLY didn't "O". But if I could do it again, I would.

A dry NNE (Nocturnal Non-Orgasm)!!

Perfect. And besides, in the dream, I was with my wife.... what more can you ask for?

 
How does Murphey do it??

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« Reply #12906 on: 22/04/2011 18:38:27 »
Because of my negative reaction on the allergy test, the allergist doesn't think a subcutaneous immunotherapy makes sense.  I'm tempted to do my own home dilution and sublingual immunotherapy.  Has anyone out there attempted this? I apologize I haven't read through all the posts.
Interesting but weird! I had a pricktest AND a subcutaneous test just a month ago. The pricktest was negative whereas the intracutaneous injections were all positive. The 1:100 dilution gave a wheal as big as the histamine control and the doctor couldn't believe his eyes but dismissed the possibility of doing hyposensitization because he doesn't know if autologous semen injections always cause allergy-like wheals in ANY person. We had so to say no POIS-free 'control person' to compare with. I saw my doctor yesterday again and she said well your blood and semen values are all normal... I will prescribe pollen-allergy pills that generally suppress the immune system. Try them if you think it is allergy what you're suffering from, won't hurt to try.

I am really counting on Vandemolen to tell us hopefully in a couple of months if he is seeing any improvement as a result of his hyposensitization.
Thanks for sharing Carlitto, this probably exists somewhere, but I wonder if we shouldn't put together recommendations for people that are getting the test, like this:
1) Sample: Fresh or Frozen?  If you prefer frozen, get a sterilized cut from the allergist.  Dr. Waldinger used frozen, and depending on how bad your POIS is, frozen can make scheduling a lot easier. 
2) Controls: Bring a significant other so that the Dr. can determine if it's an allergen or just irritant.
3) Concentration: Sounds like the higher the better.  1:1000 or 1:100 is normal, but for this test people on the forum have recommended higher like 1:1. 

You get the idea.  It's pretty frustrating to have a POIS reaction and get no medical validation.  Ha ha. 

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« Reply #12907 on: 22/04/2011 18:43:18 »
Has anyone here tried consuming sweet potatoes to counteract POIS? This is one food that I had previously found a correlated with fewer symptoms. Sweet potatos are well known for their anti-inflammatory properties. This week I had an NE with resulting minor POIS symptoms. A few days into it I remembered this food and ate a bunch (the orange type) and the next day symptoms were gone. There are other possible reasons: I started taking some herbal prostate pills, and I also did some icing with a cold pack on the front pelvic area. I'm thinking that something in this mix helped me. Sweet potatoes would be an easy thing for others to try against inflammation if that is in fact our enemy.

I thought we had discussed sweet potatoes in the past but my search for the posts came up rather dry.
Hi John21, that's an interesting idea.  I've noticed other people on the forum complaining of POIS induced digestive issues.  Never made the connection before, but I wonder if POIS can cause poor absorption of vitamins/minerals.  I took Mg tablets for over a year and they helped a lot because I think I was deficient.  Potatoes are very rich in vitamins or minerals so I wonder if that's why they help so much. 

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« Reply #12908 on: 22/04/2011 19:16:38 »
Ok so I took a look at the list of collaborators and called Stephanie Putkowski at the Rare Disorders org.  Wow!!! WHAT a nice lady! She was thrilled to have me call, and gave high marks to all the hard work that has been done here on the forums (special shout out to demo!)  I asked her about finding me someone in the States who could help me with the skin ***** test.  She is super excited about the TLC show, and in general really feels for all of us.  I got teary-eyed after the convo.  She will get back to me soon!

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« Reply #12909 on: 22/04/2011 19:22:47 »
I have the solution to POIS..... if only I could duplicate what happened last night!

It's been 3 wks of abstenence, and I'm getting a little antsy. But I need a break! And besides, the last "O" was scary, I don't want another one of those for a while!!

The wife and I played a little bit, but she knows I need a break, so we left it... there.

But later in the night I began to dream. In the dream I was really hot, and was touching IT. But I knew I couldn't get serious, albeit, I saw that I was going overboard, and so put my all into a really good orgasm. I didn't wake up right away, but when I did, the first thing I did was "check"..   and dry as a bone!

It was a virtual orgasm, but seemed very real and satisfying. I really couldn't beleive that I hadn't really "O'd". I had to chack about 4 times. Sheets, pants, etc. Nothing.

At worst I had a fair pressure in the prostate area, which is giving me problems right now anyways.

But today I'm fine. It wasn't a dry orgasm, I'm fairly sure that I didn't REALLY didn't "O". But if I could do it again, I would.

A dry NNE (Nocturnal Non-Orgasm)!!

Perfect. And besides, in the dream, I was with my wife.... what more can you ask for?

 

Author Patricia Garfield calls that "brain orgasm" and it is perfectly dry - and in my case, NEVER caused POIS. (Unlike Nocturnal Emissions, NE's, which caused vicious POIS for me).

Unfortunately, "brain orgasm" only happened to me a very few times, spontaneously, and could never be intentionally created. But it was every bit as intense as the real thing.

I'm really glad you brought that up. Maybe it CAN be cultivated, because it only happened to me after I started reading intensely about dreaming, particularly Lucid Dreaming, and ran across the very interesting concept of "brain orgasm".
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« Reply #12911 on: 22/04/2011 19:34:04 »
Ok so I took a look at the list of collaborators and called Stephanie Putkowski at the Rare Disorders org.  Wow!!! WHAT a nice lady! She was thrilled to have me call, and gave high marks to all the hard work that has been done here on the forums (special shout out to demo!)  I asked her about finding me someone in the States who could help me with the skin ***** test.  She is super excited about the TLC show, and in general really feels for all of us.  I got teary-eyed after the convo.  She will get back to me soon!

Stefanie is a Great Friend to this forum and our cause.

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« Reply #12912 on: 22/04/2011 19:42:09 »
Dr. Ronald Simon, an allergist at Scripps Clinic, in San Diego, and colleagues have written about another treatment (for semen allergy) in which an anti-allergy drug was mixed into contraceptive gel and then inserted into the vagina.

http://www.healthscout.com/news/1/536053_2/main.html

Dr. Ronald Simon sounds like an "innovative", outside-of the box doctor!!

San Diego is also where willem got his skinprick test done but at another this clinic.http://www.allergyandasthma.com/


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« Reply #12913 on: 22/04/2011 20:35:52 »
I have the solution to POIS..... if only I could duplicate what happened last night!

It's been 3 wks of abstenence, and I'm getting a little antsy. But I need a break! And besides, the last "O" was scary, I don't want another one of those for a while!!

The wife and I played a little bit, but she knows I need a break, so we left it... there.

But later in the night I began to dream. In the dream I was really hot, and was touching IT. But I knew I couldn't get serious, albeit, I saw that I was going overboard, and so put my all into a really good orgasm. I didn't wake up right away, but when I did, the first thing I did was "check"..   and dry as a bone!

It was a virtual orgasm, but seemed very real and satisfying. I really couldn't beleive that I hadn't really "O'd". I had to chack about 4 times. Sheets, pants, etc. Nothing.

At worst I had a fair pressure in the prostate area, which is giving me problems right now anyways.

But today I'm fine. It wasn't a dry orgasm, I'm fairly sure that I didn't REALLY didn't "O". But if I could do it again, I would.

A dry NNE (Nocturnal Non-Orgasm)!!

Perfect. And besides, in the dream, I was with my wife.... what more can you ask for?

 

Author Patricia Garfield calls that "brain orgasm" and it is perfectly dry - and in my case, NEVER caused POIS. (Unlike Nocturnal Emissions, NE's, which caused vicious POIS for me).

Unfortunately, "brain orgasm" only happened to me a very few times, spontaneously, and could never be intentionally created. But it was every bit as intense as the real thing.

I'm really glad you brought that up. Maybe it CAN be cultivated, because it only happened to me after I started reading intensely about dreaming, particularly Lucid Dreaming, and ran across the very interesting concept of "brain orgasm".

yes, i often, maybe once a month, have brain orgasm in my sleep- when i wake up i check im relieved to feel im dry. this happens more than waking up wet for me.

it causes some POIS but its not too bad really, abit burned out feeling, NEs are worse, awake orgasms obviously alot worse.

sometimes i cant remember the actual dream where a sexual event has occured, but can sense ive had one. but most i can remember the dream. i've noticed it is related to stress. if im not stressed, then theres more chances i'll wake up dry.
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« Reply #12914 on: 22/04/2011 21:40:44 »
I have the solution to POIS..... if only I could duplicate what happened last night!

It's been 3 wks of abstenence, and I'm getting a little antsy. But I need a break! And besides, the last "O" was scary, I don't want another one of those for a while!!

The wife and I played a little bit, but she knows I need a break, so we left it... there.

But later in the night I began to dream. In the dream I was really hot, and was touching IT. But I knew I couldn't get serious, albeit, I saw that I was going overboard, and so put my all into a really good orgasm. I didn't wake up right away, but when I did, the first thing I did was "check"..   and dry as a bone!

It was a virtual orgasm, but seemed very real and satisfying. I really couldn't beleive that I hadn't really "O'd". I had to chack about 4 times. Sheets, pants, etc. Nothing.

At worst I had a fair pressure in the prostate area, which is giving me problems right now anyways.

But today I'm fine. It wasn't a dry orgasm, I'm fairly sure that I didn't REALLY didn't "O". But if I could do it again, I would.

A dry NNE (Nocturnal Non-Orgasm)!!

Perfect. And besides, in the dream, I was with my wife.... what more can you ask for?

 

Author Patricia Garfield calls that "brain orgasm" and it is perfectly dry - and in my case, NEVER caused POIS. (Unlike Nocturnal Emissions, NE's, which caused vicious POIS for me).

Unfortunately, "brain orgasm" only happened to me a very few times, spontaneously, and could never be intentionally created. But it was every bit as intense as the real thing.

I'm really glad you brought that up. Maybe it CAN be cultivated, because it only happened to me after I started reading intensely about dreaming, particularly Lucid Dreaming, and ran across the very interesting concept of "brain orgasm".

Very interesting! Both your comments remind me of a book I read a while back which mentioned "lucid" dreaming- in which the author had some conscious influence over his dreams. I've heard this is something that can be cultivated too. And with the proper effort one can control one's dreams. The book was written by Richard Feynman- a famous physicist.

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« Reply #12915 on: 22/04/2011 21:49:51 »
Has anyone here tried consuming sweet potatoes to counteract POIS? This is one food that I had previously found a correlated with fewer symptoms. Sweet potatos are well known for their anti-inflammatory properties. This week I had an NE with resulting minor POIS symptoms. A few days into it I remembered this food and ate a bunch (the orange type) and the next day symptoms were gone. There are other possible reasons: I started taking some herbal prostate pills, and I also did some icing with a cold pack on the front pelvic area. I'm thinking that something in this mix helped me. Sweet potatoes would be an easy thing for others to try against inflammation if that is in fact our enemy.

I thought we had discussed sweet potatoes in the past but my search for the posts came up rather dry.
Hi John21, that's an interesting idea.  I've noticed other people on the forum complaining of POIS induced digestive issues.  Never made the connection before, but I wonder if POIS can cause poor absorption of vitamins/minerals.  I took Mg tablets for over a year and they helped a lot because I think I was deficient.  Potatoes are very rich in vitamins or minerals so I wonder if that's why they help so much. 

Willem, do a search for sweet potatoes and inflammation. Sweet potatoes are not the same as regular potatoes.

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« Reply #12916 on: 23/04/2011 01:07:12 »

Hi again guys,

I'm trying to find the link to the page where all the sympathetic physicians/contacts are.  I found it on that new forum/website someone here had created, but I can't seem to find it now.  It's the one that has an IP address as part of the url?



Nightingale,

You're looking for:

http://72.52.181.21/collaborator_list.php



Worth repeating!

For 2 reasons:

1. Please use it.

2. Please contribute to it.
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« Reply #12917 on: 23/04/2011 01:28:35 »
I have the solution to POIS..... if only I could duplicate what happened last night!

It's been 3 wks of abstenence, and I'm getting a little antsy. But I need a break! And besides, the last "O" was scary, I don't want another one of those for a while!!

The wife and I played a little bit, but she knows I need a break, so we left it... there.

But later in the night I began to dream. In the dream I was really hot, and was touching IT. But I knew I couldn't get serious, albeit, I saw that I was going overboard, and so put my all into a really good orgasm. I didn't wake up right away, but when I did, the first thing I did was "check"..   and dry as a bone!

It was a virtual orgasm, but seemed very real and satisfying. I really couldn't beleive that I hadn't really "O'd". I had to chack about 4 times. Sheets, pants, etc. Nothing.

At worst I had a fair pressure in the prostate area, which is giving me problems right now anyways.

But today I'm fine. It wasn't a dry orgasm, I'm fairly sure that I didn't REALLY didn't "O". But if I could do it again, I would.

A dry NNE (Nocturnal Non-Orgasm)!!

Perfect. And besides, in the dream, I was with my wife.... what more can you ask for?

 

Author Patricia Garfield calls that "brain orgasm" and it is perfectly dry - and in my case, NEVER caused POIS. (Unlike Nocturnal Emissions, NE's, which caused vicious POIS for me).

Unfortunately, "brain orgasm" only happened to me a very few times, spontaneously, and could never be intentionally created. But it was every bit as intense as the real thing.

I'm really glad you brought that up. Maybe it CAN be cultivated, because it only happened to me after I started reading intensely about dreaming, particularly Lucid Dreaming, and ran across the very interesting concept of "brain orgasm".

Very interesting! Both your comments remind me of a book I read a while back which mentioned "lucid" dreaming- in which the author had some conscious influence over his dreams. I've heard this is something that can be cultivated too. And with the proper effort one can control one's dreams. The book was written by Richard Feynman- a famous physicist.


Wow, Feynman even experimented!

I achieved lucid dreaming using a technique called MILD (Mnemonic Induction of Lucid Dreams) - -
http://www.psipog.net/art-mnemonic-induction-lucid-dreams.html

- - developed by Dr Stephen LaBerge of Stanford, a pioneer in the field. It was one of the most exhilarating experiences of my life. I was so fascinated that I flew out to meet him.
www.lucidity.com


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« Reply #12918 on: 23/04/2011 01:35:46 »

Author Patricia Garfield calls that "brain orgasm" and it is perfectly dry - and in my case, NEVER caused POIS. (Unlike Nocturnal Emissions, NE's, which caused vicious POIS for me).

Unfortunately, "brain orgasm" only happened to me a very few times, spontaneously, and could never be intentionally created. But it was every bit as intense as the real thing.

I'm really glad you brought that up. Maybe it CAN be cultivated, because it only happened to me after I started reading intensely about dreaming, particularly Lucid Dreaming, and ran across the very interesting concept of "brain orgasm".


For anyone interested, her book is called "Creative Dreaming", 1974.

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« Reply #12919 on: 23/04/2011 13:33:29 »
Has anyone here tried consuming sweet potatoes to counteract POIS? This is one food that I had previously found a correlated with fewer symptoms. Sweet potatos are well known for their anti-inflammatory properties. This week I had an NE with resulting minor POIS symptoms. A few days into it I remembered this food and ate a bunch (the orange type) and the next day symptoms were gone. There are other possible reasons: I started taking some herbal prostate pills, and I also did some icing with a cold pack on the front pelvic area. I'm thinking that something in this mix helped me. Sweet potatoes would be an easy thing for others to try against inflammation if that is in fact our enemy.

I thought we had discussed sweet potatoes in the past but my search for the posts came up rather dry.
Hi John21, that's an interesting idea.  I've noticed other people on the forum complaining of POIS induced digestive issues.  Never made the connection before, but I wonder if POIS can cause poor absorption of vitamins/minerals.  I took Mg tablets for over a year and they helped a lot because I think I was deficient.  Potatoes are very rich in vitamins or minerals so I wonder if that's why they help so much. 

And I'm just going from memory, and am in day 1 besides..... but isn't one of the ingredients for female birth control pils taken from a sweet potatoe? One of the same ingredients that is used in the male contraceptive method as well?
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« Reply #12920 on: 23/04/2011 13:34:44 »
Because of my negative reaction on the allergy test, the allergist doesn't think a subcutaneous immunotherapy makes sense.  I'm tempted to do my own home dilution and sublingual immunotherapy.  Has anyone out there attempted this? I apologize I haven't read through all the posts.
Interesting but weird! I had a pricktest AND a subcutaneous test just a month ago. The pricktest was negative whereas the intracutaneous injections were all positive. The 1:100 dilution gave a wheal as big as the histamine control and the doctor couldn't believe his eyes but dismissed the possibility of doing hyposensitization because he doesn't know if autologous semen injections always cause allergy-like wheals in ANY person. We had so to say no POIS-free 'control person' to compare with. I saw my doctor yesterday again and she said well your blood and semen values are all normal... I will prescribe pollen-allergy pills that generally suppress the immune system. Try them if you think it is allergy what you're suffering from, won't hurt to try.

I am really counting on Vandemolen to tell us hopefully in a couple of months if he is seeing any improvement as a result of his hyposensitization.
Thanks for sharing Carlitto, this probably exists somewhere, but I wonder if we shouldn't put together recommendations for people that are getting the test, like this:
1) Sample: Fresh or Frozen?  If you prefer frozen, get a sterilized cut from the allergist.  Dr. Waldinger used frozen, and depending on how bad your POIS is, frozen can make scheduling a lot easier. 
2) Controls: Bring a significant other so that the Dr. can determine if it's an allergen or just irritant.
3) Concentration: Sounds like the higher the better.  1:1000 or 1:100 is normal, but for this test people on the forum have recommended higher like 1:1. 

You get the idea.  It's pretty frustrating to have a POIS reaction and get no medical validation.  Ha ha. 

I'll get a topic like that going on the other forum.
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« Reply #12921 on: 23/04/2011 13:58:20 »
Strangly, most of my attempts in lucid dreams to have sex never resulted in orgasm. I could do all kinds of things, but somehow never would get to the orgasm..... don't know what Freud would say about that?

 
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« Reply #12922 on: 23/04/2011 16:21:35 »
I have the solution to POIS..... if only I could duplicate what happened last night!

It's been 3 wks of abstenence, and I'm getting a little antsy. But I need a break! And besides, the last "O" was scary, I don't want another one of those for a while!!

The wife and I played a little bit, but she knows I need a break, so we left it... there.

But later in the night I began to dream. In the dream I was really hot, and was touching IT. But I knew I couldn't get serious, albeit, I saw that I was going overboard, and so put my all into a really good orgasm. I didn't wake up right away, but when I did, the first thing I did was "check"..   and dry as a bone!

It was a virtual orgasm, but seemed very real and satisfying. I really couldn't beleive that I hadn't really "O'd". I had to chack about 4 times. Sheets, pants, etc. Nothing.

At worst I had a fair pressure in the prostate area, which is giving me problems right now anyways.

But today I'm fine. It wasn't a dry orgasm, I'm fairly sure that I didn't REALLY didn't "O". But if I could do it again, I would.

A dry NNE (Nocturnal Non-Orgasm)!!

Perfect. And besides, in the dream, I was with my wife.... what more can you ask for?

 

Author Patricia Garfield calls that "brain orgasm" and it is perfectly dry - and in my case, NEVER caused POIS. (Unlike Nocturnal Emissions, NE's, which caused vicious POIS for me).

Unfortunately, "brain orgasm" only happened to me a very few times, spontaneously, and could never be intentionally created. But it was every bit as intense as the real thing.

I'm really glad you brought that up. Maybe it CAN be cultivated, because it only happened to me after I started reading intensely about dreaming, particularly Lucid Dreaming, and ran across the very interesting concept of "brain orgasm".

yes, i often, maybe once a month, have brain orgasm in my sleep- when i wake up i check im relieved to feel im dry. this happens more than waking up wet for me.

it causes some POIS but its not too bad really, abit burned out feeling, NEs are worse, awake orgasms obviously alot worse.

sometimes i cant remember the actual dream where a sexual event has occured, but can sense ive had one. but most i can remember the dream. i've noticed it is related to stress. if im not stressed, then theres more chances i'll wake up dry.

Brain 'O'/Nes is what keeps all my effort to control my self in vain. I get brain 'o' about once a week. The last time i was recovered and it happened it sent me right bakc to congnition problems.
so i hate them. Sorry daveman for some of having that instead of full 'O' dosnt stop pois.

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« Reply #12923 on: 23/04/2011 16:28:19 »
CC, Brain O is dry, NE is not.

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« Reply #12924 on: 23/04/2011 17:11:48 »
CC, Brain O is dry, NE is not.

So then it would be BO instead of NE?

All kidding aside, yes I definitely distinguish Brain O from Nocturnal Emissions. Brain O involves no physical orgasm whatsoever, and in my case, there was't even any pre-C..
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« Reply #12925 on: 23/04/2011 18:35:11 »
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« Reply #12926 on: 23/04/2011 19:06:09 »
Has anyone here tried consuming sweet potatoes to counteract POIS? This is one food that I had previously found a correlated with fewer symptoms. Sweet potatos are well known for their anti-inflammatory properties. This week I had an NE with resulting minor POIS symptoms. A few days into it I remembered this food and ate a bunch (the orange type) and the next day symptoms were gone. There are other possible reasons: I started taking some herbal prostate pills, and I also did some icing with a cold pack on the front pelvic area. I'm thinking that something in this mix helped me. Sweet potatoes would be an easy thing for others to try against inflammation if that is in fact our enemy.

I thought we had discussed sweet potatoes in the past but my search for the posts came up rather dry.
Hi John21, that's an interesting idea.  I've noticed other people on the forum complaining of POIS induced digestive issues.  Never made the connection before, but I wonder if POIS can cause poor absorption of vitamins/minerals.  I took Mg tablets for over a year and they helped a lot because I think I was deficient.  Potatoes are very rich in vitamins or minerals so I wonder if that's why they help so much. 

And I'm just going from memory, and am in day 1 besides..... but isn't one of the ingredients for female birth control pils taken from a sweet potatoe? One of the same ingredients that is used in the male contraceptive method as well?


I googled it, "the pill" is made from yams which are not the same as sweet potatoes, but sweet potatos are sometimes marketed as yams. link


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« Reply #12927 on: 23/04/2011 19:23:08 »
Doesn't this lead us right back to spinach?

"I yam what I yam..."

ohnevermind....... [:D]

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« Reply #12928 on: 23/04/2011 22:10:38 »
Doesn't this lead us right back to spinach?

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ohnevermind....... [:D]




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« Reply #12929 on: 24/04/2011 04:02:59 »
CC, Brain O is dry, NE is not..

Oh yeah i know the difference, BO equals dreams without any liquids but for me still equals pois,
the first time it happend i was dumbfounded, i thought i escaped a close one when i felt around and i was good but then comes my favorite symptoms.
if it is no BO am succumbing to, i am succumbing to NE, that is why i used BO/NE

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« Reply #12930 on: 24/04/2011 04:36:35 »

CC, Brain O is dry, NE is not..


Oh yeah i know the difference, BO equals dreams without any liquids but for me still equals pois,
the first time it happend i was dumbfounded, i thought i escaped a close one when i felt around and i was good but then comes my favorite symptoms.
if it is no BO am succumbing to, i am succumbing to NE, that is why i used BO/NE


So I guess the trick is to avoid BO/NErs?

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« Reply #12931 on: 24/04/2011 07:52:41 »
Hi Everyone,

I stumbled upon this forum today and I just wanted to introduce myself. I'm 23, I work in the oilfield, and I'm in pretty good health (aside from blood sugar issues which simply require that I pay attention to what I'm eating.)

The discovery of this forum was the result of a particularly bad brain fog today, following two particularly good orgasms last night. I first made the connection between orgasms (and masturbation/porn use) a little over a year ago, and since then I've occasionally experimented with bouts of short-term ejaculation avoidance. Unfortunately, I tend to get horny every so often and convince myself to get back on the orgasm wagon for a while, which usually lasts for several weeks to a couple of months before I try to restrain myself again.

Off the bat, I don't suffer from myalgia or flu-like symptoms. My POIS symptoms tend to manifest themselves through a combination of exhaustion/lethargy and acute social anxiety. I've actually viewed POIS mostly through the frame of the social anxiety symptoms, as they have been the most destructive and frustrating parts of my life for almost the entire past decade. I've come to the sad conclusion that to be most socially effective I have to avoid orgasm for several days (although I'm usually pretty okay after a day). This is obviously a problem when it comes to dating because I have to avoid orgasm to get the date, be entertaining on that date, and get laid near the end of the date, but I end up being so backed up that the sex is over almost as soon as it begins. I used to deal with that by playing around for a few minutes, and be down to go again (lasting much longer) but now my refractory period is getting longer and I can see this becoming a huge problem down the road.

I'm once again finding myself at a crossroads between being happy, socially effective, and successful, and being sexually fulfilled. Hopefully these forums can help.

Thank you all for your honesty and for being you.

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« Reply #12932 on: 24/04/2011 11:50:32 »
Doesn't this lead us right back to spinach?

"I yam what I yam..."

ohnevermind....... [:D]
 
Lol Demo but actually, yes. Inflammation Busters

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« Reply #12933 on: 24/04/2011 11:59:57 »
Hello

Fellow sufferers, I am happy to find you. (as sadistic as it sounds ).

I am from another community that has been sharing information on POIS (or what we have called Sexual Exhaustion) for 5 years and has 1600 members. The evidence of existence our groups as separate for so long time proves the point that we are not easy to find online. There are many, many others like us. I know that for a fact!

We haven’t got a cure (yet). But hopefully we can draw doctors’ attention to research us and the data we have gathered. We need to show that this condition is extremely serious – I would trade my disorder for some milder form of cancer anytime! I see the potential of Dr. Waldinger’s last paper as a tool to create awareness, even though I totally disagree with his findings. It generated news on regular media and helped me to find you!

Let’s get acquainted and start sharing information and hopefully start group efforts, because our pursuits as individuals have proven to be unfruitful.

Let’s get well!



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« Reply #12934 on: 24/04/2011 12:40:58 »
Because of my negative reaction on the allergy test, the allergist doesn't think a subcutaneous immunotherapy makes sense.  I'm tempted to do my own home dilution and sublingual immunotherapy.  Has anyone out there attempted this? I apologize I haven't read through all the posts.

Interesting but weird! I had a pricktest AND a subcutaneous test just a month ago. The pricktest was negative whereas the intracutaneous injections were all positive. The 1:100 dilution gave a wheal as big as the histamine control and the doctor couldn't believe his eyes but dismissed the possibility of doing hyposensitization because he doesn't know if autologous semen injections always cause allergy-like wheals in ANY person. We had so to say no POIS-free 'control person' to compare with. I saw my doctor yesterday again and she said well your blood and semen values are all normal... I will prescribe pollen-allergy pills that generally suppress the immune system. Try them if you think it is allergy what you're suffering from, won't hurt to try.

I am really counting on Vandemolen to tell us hopefully in a couple of months if he is seeing any improvement as a result of his hyposensitization.

Im planning doing a home-brew of some kind, cant speak for anyone else, but exposure to water with a speck of semen in it aint going to kill.. ME!!

(not doing self-injections, no way, thats madness, you cant inject water anyway)

Self sublingual immunotherapy
..how to get the water/semen dilute into blood stream??
Options are:
- drops under tongue?
- drops in my nose?
- mouthwash style?
- eye drops?
- drinking it?
- pouring it up my bum?
- pouring it into my penis/uretha with some device?!?
(first or second options probably best!...)

Will probably have to buy a medical book to get the ratios, formula and times for each ratio for sublingual immunotherapy in general
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sublingual-Immunotherapy/dp/6133046619/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1303646759&sr=8-1
...or find allergist to make up the formula...

.....or research
intravaginal seminal graded challenge
http://www.webmd.com/allergies/news/20061113/semen-allergies-helped-by-frequent-sex
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18239014

resnick has done "intravaginal seminal graded challenge", i would like to gets his formula...
for my own intramouth seminal graded challenge
or intrabum seminal graded challenge...
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« Reply #12935 on: 24/04/2011 12:42:00 »
CC, Brain O is dry, NE is not..

Oh yeah i know the difference, BO equals dreams without any liquids but for me still equals pois,
the first time it happend i was dumbfounded, i thought i escaped a close one when i felt around and i was good but then comes my favorite symptoms.
if it is no BO am succumbing to, i am succumbing to NE, that is why i used BO/NE



This would be an intersting area to persue, because it's more clear cut than light to partial "O"s, whether they be NEs or masturbating just up to.

In this case[BOs], it would first have to be determined if there is any fluid movement, and if so at what level and to what extent.

As in Silodosin, for instance, no fulid leaves the body (in some cases), and if I understand it correctly, in some cases there's not even dribble. Yet the semen exists and is retained. I think hurray indicated that in those cases where there was not pre-C at all, he had no POIS, so a similar situation.

So your case, and I'm sure others, have symptoms even without the least of obvious fluid movement. So what's going on? Is the pituitary secreting something anyways, or some other secretion? Why does this effect you and not me for instance?

On the other forum, I'd like to create work groups to attack particular tasks such as these? It seems that some of the questions are impossible to answer...... are they? Maybe it would take a year, or two. How long does desensitization take again?

The work groups wouldn't be chats! They'd be task oriented work-groups. Do we have it in us. Even I (who would like to give it a try) am not sure. But we HAVE done a lot without much focus.

How does Murphey do it??

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« Reply #12936 on: 24/04/2011 15:54:06 »
Doesn't this lead us right back to spinach?

"I yam what I yam..."

ohnevermind....... [:D]


Lol Demo but actually, yes. Inflammation Busters


I know, John, I was also kidding but serious about it too!!

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« Reply #12937 on: 24/04/2011 16:00:43 »



kaiser, and spillway, welcome to the POIS thread of The Naked Science Forum!




Here are some POIS resources which may be helpful to you:

The Learning Channel (TLC) upcoming feature TV presentation on POIS, featuring our member here at this forum, "Animus". They're planning to air it on May 22, 10pm Eastern Standard time. Animus will keep us informed of any changes.

Our POIS Information Website, built by "mat780", is here:
http://sites.google.com/site/POISwebsite/

The POIS Information Website is home to the famous POIS Forum Compendium, written by "Pyropeach", and contains theories already discussed here and treatments that have both worked and failed.

Please see "B_Jim"'s POIS Summary of All Cases, here as well as others on the Web. This includes remedies that we have tested, and results.
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg149009#msg149009

"Girlwind" has created an excellent POIS Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWBxAUC9k1g

Our new POIS chatroom (realtime chat). Invite or visit another member(s) there, ANY TIME. We can all get to know each other better:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/POIS/chat


* Most recent POIS Research Studies, 2011 *

If you will send Prof. dr. Waldinger an e-mail, stating that you have read his message on the Forum, at http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg340138#msg340138 and that you are willing to fill in a questionnaire, he will send you the copies of both 2011 research articles by return through email. At a later date, he will send you the questionnaire which, after having filled in, you should send him back by e-mail.
His email:
prof.dr.waldinger.pois@gmail.com

Prof. dr. Marcel D. Waldinger's website:
http://www.post-orgasmic-illness-syndrome.com/en/index.html


First POIS Research Study, 2002

We have a copy of the first formal medical investigation on POIS by Prof. dr. Marcel D. Waldinger,MD,PhD, and Dr. Dave Schweitzer, MD.

  
Recent POIS Research Study, 2010

CASE REPORT
Postorgasm Illness Syndrome - A Spectrum of Illnesses
Jane Ashby, MRCP, and David Goldmeier, MRCP
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg316781#msg316781


British Medical Journal Case Report, 2010

Case study by Dr. Selwyn Dexter of a patient with a headache-featured POIS symptom treated with progesterone/norethisterone.
http://casereports.bmj.com/content/2010/bcr.10.2009.2359.short?rss=1


There are a couple of ways to get any or all of the above 3 studies: (1) if you want a PDF copy, send me a Private Message (PM) with your regular email address (use "AT" instead of "@" ) and I'll send you back the PDF.

Or, if you prefer, (2) I can simply reply with a Private Message (no regular email needed) and provide you with a simple text version embedded in your PM.

To send a Private Message, click on "Messages" at the top of this page. At the Messages page, click on "New Message". From that point on, it works just like posting a message here, except that it only goes to the person(s) you designate.

Remember to put a quote around my name, i.e., "demografx".


New York Times article,

January 20, 2009
Mind
Sex and Depression: In the Brain, if Not the Mind
By RICHARD A. FRIEDMAN, M.D.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/health/views/20mind.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=friedman%20sexual%20January%2020&st=cse

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In addition to serving our own informational interests, the resources listed above can be useful for you to show our credibility to the medical world - which often shows little understanding and is sometimes skeptical of our condition: POIS has scientific underpinnings and POIS is not "just another psychological problem" related to sex - to be treated by the psychiatric/psychotherapeutic community. All of this information can greatly help you to fight the immediate reaction of some doctors: so just tell them, "IT'S NOT 'ALL IN OUR HEADS'! "

Also, it can be helpful when dealing with medical professionals to point out the successful existence of our rapidly growing forum, which has already been referenced in respectable sources such as the Journal of Sexual Medicine (Dr. Waldinger's study), British Medical Journal and wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postorgasmic_illness_syndrome

For over 4 years, our POIS forum has attracted over 200 POIS sufferers worldwide who have posted here, research on an additional 200 sufferers elsewhere on the internet, plus over 1,000,000 page visits. Not bad for a rare malady!







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« Reply #12938 on: 24/04/2011 16:04:25 »




kaiser, and spillway, this post will help you find information about POIS that we have already discussed, by tailoring a Google search to this forum:


SEARCH THE FORUM WITH GOOGLE

We have an overwhelming amount of data: more than 4 years' worth of posts (over  10,000 posts!) from 200+ Forum members, and an additional 200 POIS sufferers found elsewhere on the Internet by Member B_Jim.

In the Google search box, type
whatever-it-is-you're-interested-in-finding-out[space]POIS[space]site:http://thenakedscientists.com/

for example, I tried
nocturnal emission POIS site:http://thenakedscientists.com/

and 740 results came up for "nocturnal emission" within the Forum.

be careful with spaces (you can use them before the word "site") and no-spaces (everything after the word "site")

Google even provides you results with the Message# for each result. But Message #'s do change, so be patient and look for the approximate Message#.





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« Reply #12939 on: 24/04/2011 16:11:23 »

Doesn't this lead us right back to spinach?

"I yam what I yam..."

ohnevermind....... [:D]



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Daveman, if you see our previous posts surrounding John21's research findings on spinach, you'll see that soon after Popeye downed that big helping of spinach - and proceeded to (ahem) ravish the lovely and most seductive Ms Olive Oyl - - - - he avoided POIS!!
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« Reply #12940 on: 24/04/2011 16:23:52 »

Strangly, most of my attempts in lucid dreams to have sex never resulted in orgasm. I could do all kinds of things, but somehow never would get to the orgasm..... don't know what Freud would say about that?

 

Freud-kidding aside for a moment, I found that real dream control is nearly impossible, something akin to learning the skills of yogi-adepts through many years' training.

Dreams are largely outside of our control, it seems. However, we can control components (go left, go right), without too much practice. A most fascinating world to explore.

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« Reply #12941 on: 24/04/2011 17:38:05 »

Dear B_Jim,

your 4-year compilation work has been so invaluable!!

We all thank you very, very much for your amazing dedication to this most important tracking of POIS worldwide, and not just on this forum!

Best wishes,
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« Reply #12942 on: 24/04/2011 21:15:24 »
Hello

Fellow sufferers, I am happy to find you. (as sadistic as it sounds ).

I am from another community that has been sharing information on POIS (or what we have called Sexual Exhaustion) for 5 years and has 1600 members. The evidence of existence our groups as separate for so long time proves the point that we are not easy to find online. There are many, many others like us. I know that for a fact!

We haven’t got a cure (yet). But hopefully we can draw doctors’ attention to research us and the data we have gathered. We need to show that this condition is extremely serious – I would trade my disorder for some milder form of cancer anytime! I see the potential of Dr. Waldinger’s last paper as a tool to create awareness, even though I totally disagree with his findings. It generated news on regular media and helped me to find you!

Let’s get acquainted and start sharing information and hopefully start group efforts, because our pursuits as individuals have proven to be unfruitful.

Let’s get well!



Research of sexual exhaustion/dysfunction and other biochemical/deficiency diseases: http://recover.forumup.org/


Hi Spillway,
I'm glad you contacted us! It seems like our forums have a lot in common. I look forward to reading it.

Hi Kaiser, welcome. A lot of us share the same problem/ similar concerns.
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« Reply #12943 on: 25/04/2011 01:03:59 »
Spillway, thanks for posting this at your forum!

"Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:54 am    Post subject: Another SE/POIS community found!   
Hello!

I am happy to inform you I have found a community of fellow sufferers.
They have been exploring the subject since 2007 and have over 250 members. The evidence of existence our groups as separate for so long time proves the point that we are not easy to find online. There are many, many others like us. I know that for a fact!

They haven’t got a cure (yet). But they have a “scientific” name of the disorder (POIS) that is recognized in sexual disorder research. There are doctors researching it and looking for cures! Hopefully together we can draw more doctors’ attention to research us and the data we have gathered. We need to show that this condition is extremely serious – I would trade my disorder for some milder form of cancer anytime! Dr. Waldinger’s last paper (where he claims it to be an allergy and his patients are getting better) made news in the media and I believe it will bring out many other sufferers.
I see the potential of Dr. Waldinger’s last paper as a tool to create awareness, even though I totally disagree with his findings. But he has not been alone – there has been other research on the issue. Hopefully we can help to generate more!

Let’s get acquainted and start sharing information and hopefully start group efforts, because our pursuits as individuals have proven to be unfruitful. We can't do all the scientific and medical research as individuals but I am convinced this condition is beatable after scientific research!

Let’s get well!



POIS thread: http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.0

Most important links to their information (thanks to demografx): http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg353609#msg353609

POIS forum: http://72.52.181.21/POIS/index.php
POIS information website: http://sites.google.com/site/poiswebsite/home
Prof. dr. Marcel D. Waldinger's POIS website: http://www.post-orgasmic-illness-syndrome.com/en/index.html

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« Reply #12944 on: 25/04/2011 02:04:25 »
Has anyone here tried consuming sweet potatoes to counteract POIS? This is one food that I had previously found a correlated with fewer symptoms. Sweet potatos are well known for their anti-inflammatory properties. This week I had an NE with resulting minor POIS symptoms. A few days into it I remembered this food and ate a bunch (the orange type) and the next day symptoms were gone. There are other possible reasons: I started taking some herbal prostate pills, and I also did some icing with a cold pack on the front pelvic area. I'm thinking that something in this mix helped me. Sweet potatoes would be an easy thing for others to try against inflammation if that is in fact our enemy.

I thought we had discussed sweet potatoes in the past but my search for the posts came up rather dry.

Yesterday, I had an O around 3 pm.  Later in the evening, I decided to try John21's idea: I ate two whole (microwaved) sweet potatoes, including the skins. 

When I woke up the next morning, I was mostly symptom-free, and this lasted throughout the day.  I'd estimate that it was about an 80% reduction of the symptoms--definitely very significant!

So, I'll try it again next time I O, and we'll see if this is repeatable for me.  But it may be something that others want to try as well.

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« Reply #12945 on: 25/04/2011 03:40:18 »
I wanted to mention this for people who have POIS and still want to have a pretty active sex life.

Now I have a girlfriend (woot!) and because of the development of my pubococcygeus  myscle from practicing my abstinence technique for so long, we can enjoy quite a bit of intimacy without me having to orgasm. Suffice it to say you can more then please a woman and by clenching your pubococcygeus  muscle as you are doing so, or if you feel like you are going to orgasm, still have a pretty good sex life =)

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« Reply #12946 on: 25/04/2011 05:19:11 »
I wanted to mention this for people who have POIS and still want to have a pretty active sex life.

Now I have a girlfriend (woot!) and because of the development of my pubococcygeus  myscle from practicing my abstinence technique for so long, we can enjoy quite a bit of intimacy without me having to orgasm. Suffice it to say you can more then please a woman and by clenching your pubococcygeus  muscle as you are doing so, or if you feel like you are going to orgasm, still have a pretty good sex life =)

Glad to hear.  Three cheers for Defsync! 

And to Guthrie, thanks for the post on sweet potatoes.  Will be trying that myself. 

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #12947 on: 25/04/2011 13:51:16 »
I wanted to mention this for people who have POIS and still want to have a pretty active sex life.

Now I have a girlfriend (woot!) and because of the development of my pubococcygeus  myscle from practicing my abstinence technique for so long, we can enjoy quite a bit of intimacy without me having to orgasm. Suffice it to say you can more then please a woman and by clenching your pubococcygeus  muscle as you are doing so, or if you feel like you are going to orgasm, still have a pretty good sex life =)

Lord knows I try, but after 3 wks.... hair trigger!

How can you exercise the muscle. Masturbating just up to.... and often? Or would that make it worse?

How does Murphey do it??

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #12948 on: 25/04/2011 20:28:41 »
Has anyone here tried consuming sweet potatoes to counteract POIS? This is one food that I had previously found a correlated with fewer symptoms. Sweet potatos are well known for their anti-inflammatory properties. This week I had an NE with resulting minor POIS symptoms. A few days into it I remembered this food and ate a bunch (the orange type) and the next day symptoms were gone. There are other possible reasons: I started taking some herbal prostate pills, and I also did some icing with a cold pack on the front pelvic area. I'm thinking that something in this mix helped me. Sweet potatoes would be an easy thing for others to try against inflammation if that is in fact our enemy.

I thought we had discussed sweet potatoes in the past but my search for the posts came up rather dry.

Yesterday, I had an O around 3 pm.  Later in the evening, I decided to try John21's idea: I ate two whole (microwaved) sweet potatoes, including the skins. 

When I woke up the next morning, I was mostly symptom-free, and this lasted throughout the day.  I'd estimate that it was about an 80% reduction of the symptoms--definitely very significant!

So, I'll try it again next time I O, and we'll see if this is repeatable for me.  But it may be something that others want to try as well.


I just microwaved and am eating a giant sweet potato right now.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #12949 on: 25/04/2011 20:30:08 »

CC, Brain O is dry, NE is not..


Oh yeah i know the difference, BO equals dreams without any liquids but for me still equals pois,
the first time it happend i was dumbfounded, i thought i escaped a close one when i felt around and i was good but then comes my favorite symptoms.
if it is no BO am succumbing to, i am succumbing to NE, that is why i used BO/NE


So I guess the trick is to avoid BO/NErs?

<ducking!>
That will require pulling some "inception - movie" type moves (impossible).
what does that ducking thing mean