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« Reply #13300 on: 24/05/2011 01:14:57 »
I have the first link up posted below as well as a torrent link for those familiar with how to use it, I'll be posting a few mirrors as well.  If anybody has any issues viewing the video feel free to PM me any questions, i would be happy to help

Download Link 1
Download Link 2
Stream Link
Torrent Link

As for the video itself i really appreciate "Frank" taking time to do this, i'm sure at the very least it will lead others suffering from POIS to this website and further progression on treatments.  Unfortunately i personally found the surgery on the video a little hard to swallow and am not sure i could ever bring myself to do that even if it means living a better life.
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« Reply #13301 on: 24/05/2011 01:46:34 »
From Green
" I am not very sure what the waiting list would be to see Dr. Waldinger, I know he must be an immensely busy man. Demo could you find out for me, if that's OK? "

I'm emailing him right now to ask -  demo

Thanks so much!
Any time, Green!

edit - I just sent him a 2nd request


And I sent a 3rd request.

No reply.

To the Forum: I think you should all be aware of this nonresponse from Dr Waldinger. Busy? Who knows.

I will let you all know if and when I do get a reply.





Thanks for the effort, don't worry about it, I'm sure he'll reply when he's able to, who knows, he might even be on vacation.

Green, he can see you at the end of July. I suggest sending an email and refer to "demografx' request for a medical appointment for me".

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« Reply #13302 on: 24/05/2011 02:59:57 »
Animus, that was a really excellent segment!  I thought you really presented yourself well, and gave a really clear description of POIS.  And, even though your surgical solution was somewhat unusual, you gave a pretty typical account of POIS, and I think any POIS sufferer would be able to relate to it.

I had one question, though: in the episode, it seemed to indicate that your surgery had completely cured you of POIS.  But, I thought you've said that while it did help with some symptoms, some other symptoms still remain.  Did TLC just present it as a 'full cure' for the sake of a better TV ending?

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« Reply #13303 on: 24/05/2011 03:22:11 »
vandemolen, if i was to come over to netherlands, how long is dr waldingers waiting list.

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« Reply #13304 on: 24/05/2011 03:23:48 »
I have the first link up posted below as well as a torrent link for those familiar with how to use it, I'll be posting a few mirrors as well.  If anybody has any issues viewing the video feel free to PM me any questions, i would be happy to help

Download Link 1
Download Link 2
Stream Link - coming soon
Torrent Link

As for the video itself i really appreciate "Frank" taking time to do this, i'm sure at the very least it will lead others suffering from POIS to this website and further progression on treatments.  Unfortunately i personally found the surgery on the video a little hard to swallow and am not sure i could ever bring myself to do that even if it means living a better life.

Spence: Thanks for posting those downloads.

Yes, the surgeries were hard to swallow for me too. I did not take them lightly. This is why I did them in increments- which the video does not show. The video collapses them all into 1 operation. But I was severely suffering, visiting the emergency room for years because of POIS-related illness. It was taking years off my life, and causing despair. Dry ejaculation was my goal- and I'm now 100% POIS free. I no longer go to the emergency room a few times a year. Now I even totally forget if I had an O the previous day or not. I'm not advocating surgery, but just defending the results- it did work for me.
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« Reply #13305 on: 24/05/2011 03:31:47 »
Animus, that was a really excellent segment!  I thought you really presented yourself well, and gave a really clear description of POIS.  And, even though your surgical solution was somewhat unusual, you gave a pretty typical account of POIS, and I think any POIS sufferer would be able to relate to it.

I had one question, though: in the episode, it seemed to indicate that your surgery had completely cured you of POIS.  But, I thought you've said that while it did help with some symptoms, some other symptoms still remain.  Did TLC just present it as a 'full cure' for the sake of a better TV ending?

Guthrie:
No, I am completely POIS free. You might be thinking of a statement I made about having POIS even after the removal of the testicles. But after the subsequent operation for dry ejaculation I became completely POIS free.

It requires maintenance. The surgeries removed all but the prostate- so it's still possible to create some seminal fluid. What I'm doing is shrinking the prostate as much as possible with medication. I find if I go off these medications, I will have some mild return of POIS symptoms- but much milder and less threatening than I had originally. While on these prostate meds I am completely symptom free, and have dry ejaculations.
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« Reply #13306 on: 24/05/2011 04:25:00 »
vandemolen, if i was to come over to netherlands, how long is dr waldingers waiting list.
I don't know. I had to wait a few months. I don't know how it is now.

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« Reply #13307 on: 24/05/2011 07:55:54 »
Animus, that was a really excellent segment!  I thought you really presented yourself well, and gave a really clear description of POIS.  And, even though your surgical solution was somewhat unusual, you gave a pretty typical account of POIS, and I think any POIS sufferer would be able to relate to it.

I had one question, though: in the episode, it seemed to indicate that your surgery had completely cured you of POIS.  But, I thought you've said that while it did help with some symptoms, some other symptoms still remain.  Did TLC just present it as a 'full cure' for the sake of a better TV ending?

Guthrie:
No, I am completely POIS free. You might be thinking of a statement I made about having POIS even after the removal of the testicles. But after the subsequent operation for dry ejaculation I became completely POIS free.

It requires maintenance. The surgeries removed all but the prostate- so it's still possible to create some seminal fluid. What I'm doing is shrinking the prostate as much as possible with medication. I find if I go off these medications, I will have some mild return of POIS symptoms- but much milder and less threatening than I had originally. While on these prostate meds I am completely symptom free, and have dry ejaculations.
Good job, At first I thought they were going to try and make you out to be a weirdo, but they presented it in a respectable manner.  I recorded it, but I fast forwarded through first part with the fat lady.

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« Reply #13308 on: 24/05/2011 08:13:44 »
friends fenugreek seeds work.

its my personal experience,soak the seeds in water at night and have it in the morning.make it your daily routine.around 15-20 seeds.

its been 4-5 days i am eating them and it has helped me a lot.

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« Reply #13309 on: 24/05/2011 14:04:46 »
Animus, why didnt you remove the prostate? This medication which you currently take is Finasteride?

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« Reply #13310 on: 24/05/2011 14:39:20 »
Quote from: Animus on Today at 12:56:50 AM

Here is a link to the file, which can be downloaded and played. The segment starts at about 12:20..
http://www.fileserve.com/file/cUtJa9R/TITLE01.mp4


Just watched the episode at this link Animus provided. Amazing job. Perfect. I don't think this show could've turned out much better than this. We need to get this on youtube somehow.
Taking fenugreek+tea/garlic, saw palmetto, huperzine, niacin, boswellia, and nutmeg.

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« Reply #13311 on: 24/05/2011 15:08:40 »

vandemolen, if i was to come over to netherlands, how long is dr waldingers waiting list.


CC, he just wrote to me that he could see Green at the end of July.

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« Reply #13312 on: 24/05/2011 15:36:33 »
Animus, do you see any connection between your surgery = 100% POIS-free and my TRT = 80% POIS-free?

(Keep in mind my 'mysterious' Zero-sperm-count - a mystery as to when it occurred).

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« Reply #13313 on: 24/05/2011 15:42:13 »

I recorded it, but I fast forwarded through first part with the fat lady.


Oh, c'mon, fess up, Laurac, we know there's a HUGE attraction there! [;D]

edit - no pun intended

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« Reply #13314 on: 24/05/2011 16:52:39 »
demo, I think there is definitely a connection between your absence of sperm and Animus's surgery resulting in first no sperm, and later on, no semen.

Animus's POIS symptoms improved after his body stopped producing sperm and it's likely that yours improved as well at the time your body stopped producing sperm.

There may also be a connection with the fact that both you and animus seemed to have improved POIS symptoms on testosterone therapy. I think the main reason Animus achieved 100% free POIS symptoms was the stopping of semen production,... but perhaps testosterone improved his POIS as well?
« Last Edit: 24/05/2011 16:54:20 by Vincent Marcus »
Taking fenugreek+tea/garlic, saw palmetto, huperzine, niacin, boswellia, and nutmeg.

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« Reply #13315 on: 24/05/2011 17:24:26 »
Thanks, VM, it wasn't a dumb question after all!

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« Reply #13316 on: 24/05/2011 18:11:09 »

I recorded it, but I fast forwarded through first part with the fat lady.


Oh, c'mon, fess up, Laurac, we know there's a HUGE attraction there! [;D]

edit - no pun intended
Demo, you caught me, I watched the fat lady part twice

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« Reply #13317 on: 24/05/2011 18:55:18 »
Quote from: Animus on Today at 12:56:50 AM

Here is a link to the file, which can be downloaded and played. The segment starts at about 12:20..
http://www.fileserve.com/file/cUtJa9R/TITLE01.mp4


Just watched the episode at this link Animus provided. Amazing job. Perfect. I don't think this show could've turned out much better than this. We need to get this on youtube somehow.
Thanks for posting Animus, some of us missed the original. 

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« Reply #13318 on: 24/05/2011 19:29:39 »
Animus, thanks for coming forward and doing this. You did a good job expressing POIS to the unknown. My symptoms have been greatly reduced with the shut down of sperm production, not enough to have a normnal sex life but, it just about makes living POIS barable.

How did your date go in the end? You're very brave dating with POIS, you have a lot of courage and VERY calm, I'm usually a nervous wreck, best of luck with things and thanks once again.

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« Reply #13319 on: 24/05/2011 22:21:39 »
POTENTIALLY BIG NEWS.
Willem is reporting "mild POIS" from 1:5000 home made semen/water dilution.
and "definite reactions" from 1:10,000.
This opens up a real possibility of self cures being workable.

(+ Amimus brilliant, you came across really well +
it was poignant, thanks)
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« Reply #13320 on: 24/05/2011 22:22:15 »
Animus, do you see any connection between your surgery = 100% POIS-free and my TRT = 80% POIS-free?

(Keep in mind my 'mysterious' Zero-sperm-count - a mystery as to when it occurred).

Demo, I think that's a great question. I need to think about it some more. But I think VM might be in the right direction.

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« Reply #13321 on: 24/05/2011 22:53:15 »

I recorded it, but I fast forwarded through first part with the fat lady.


Oh, c'mon, fess up, Laurac, we know there's a HUGE attraction there! [;D]

edit - no pun intended


Demo, you caught me, I watched the fat lady part twice


 [;D]    [;D]    [;D]

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« Reply #13322 on: 24/05/2011 22:59:38 »
demo, I think there is definitely a connection between your absence of sperm and Animus's surgery resulting in first no sperm, and later on, no semen.

Animus's POIS symptoms improved after his body stopped producing sperm and it's likely that yours improved as well at the time your body stopped producing sperm.

There may also be a connection with the fact that both you and animus seemed to have improved POIS symptoms on testosterone therapy. I think the main reason Animus achieved 100% free POIS symptoms was the stopping of semen production,... but perhaps testosterone improved his POIS as well?

Animus' International TV Stardom plus your post VM, make me wonder: could my current 20% POIS be caused by semen, and my earlier 80% be caused by sperm???????????????

Occam's Razor?

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« Reply #13323 on: 24/05/2011 23:03:35 »
Animus, you did a great job on the show!  That takes a tremendous amount of courage both to forge your own medical solution and represent it to the world.  Well done.

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« Reply #13324 on: 24/05/2011 23:21:29 »
POTENTIALLY BIG NEWS.
Willem is reporting "mild POIS" from 1:5000 home made semen/water dilution.
and "definite reactions" from 1:10,000.
This opens up a real possibility of self cures being workable.

After being turned down by an allergist as a candidate for subcutaneous desensitization, I was looking for a simply do-it-yourself treatment regiment.  I came across sublingual immunotherapy which has shown effectiveness in some studies and parallels the treatments done by Dr. Waldinger (slowly desensitizing the immune system).  It's the 2nd most popular allergy immunotherapy in the EU.

I started 2.5 weeks ago and won't comment on effectiveness until I've tried it for several months.  I put two drops of 1:10,000 diluted semen under my tongue every night.  I'll slowly increase the concentration over time. 

The interesting thing I've noticed is that it induces mild POIS (especially when I tried it with no dilution).  To me this a bit of a relief to know that I'm definitely having an allergic reaction to it (unless some negative placebo is possible?).  The allergist test also induced POIS.   

Has anyone else tried this? 

It may serve as an alternative allergy test since the subcutaneous test I had at an allergist (with my wife as control) came out inconclusive - on the surface.  It sounds crazy to think autologous semen could pose a threat, but it may be possible to have an anaphylactic response, so please be careful if you decide to try this. 




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« Reply #13325 on: 24/05/2011 23:55:27 »

It sounds crazy to think autologous semen could pose a threat, but it may be possible to have an anaphylactic response, so please be careful if you decide to try this [sublingual immunotherapy].


Thank you for that cautionary note!
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« Reply #13326 on: 24/05/2011 23:59:47 »

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« Reply #13327 on: 25/05/2011 00:33:38 »
Animus, I just watched the show from the link. I think that you presented your case in a rational intelligent manner. It is courageous to put such an unusual personal situation in front of cameras. Very well done!

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« Reply #13328 on: 25/05/2011 07:19:58 »
Animus, I just watched the show from the link. I think that you presented your case in a rational intelligent manner. It is courageous to put such an unusual personal situation in front of cameras. Very well done!

Thank you, John. TLC did a great job. They did 2-1/2 days of filming for about 12 minutes of air time. So they really put a lot of work into it.
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« Reply #13329 on: 25/05/2011 10:19:12 »
bonjour,
je pense avoir les symptomes de POI...
parlez vous français sur ce forum?
merci

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« Reply #13330 on: 25/05/2011 12:00:39 »
Yesterday I had an O. Today is day 1. And I feel better than normal. I think I have 25 % less POIS. But I don't know in how far this is the effect of injections. Because I was eroused a very long time and then I had the O. In this case there is always less seed in the sperm. That could be a reason. And the other thing is that I just came back from a holiday from Asia (lot's of vitamin D). I will try it about a week with a quick O. I will let you know. But I can't wait to get my new injection about 3 weeks.

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« Reply #13331 on: 25/05/2011 16:34:27 »

bonjour,

je pense avoir les symptomes de POI...
parlez vous français sur ce forum?
merci


Oui. Pas moi, mais deux, trois autres. [:)]

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« Reply #13332 on: 25/05/2011 17:11:56 »

bonjour,

je pense avoir les symptomes de POI...
parlez vous français sur ce forum?
merci


Oui. Pas moi, mais deux, trois autres. [:)]

Peut-être je peux mettre un thread français sur l'autre forum, pour ceux qui ne parlent pas anglais. Peut-être les participants français peuvent traduire certaines choses pour les autres utilisateurs.... Comme une expérience de test [:)]
How does Murphey do it??

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« Reply #13333 on: 25/05/2011 17:53:28 »
A french thread is opened at the new forum here at the new forum

It is an experiment. Others have asked for threads in other languages, and up until now it hasn't been done for a few reasons:

  • If English can be spoken it better for everybody
  • Translators would be needed so that non-english speaking people could benefit from the rest of the forum
  • The threads in other languages would become isolated from the rest
  • There'd have to be a space for every new language that comes to the forum

Mostly it's a problem of resources, but if there are people who don't speak ANY English, I think our community should try to help them find solutions. So let's give it a try.

Thanks.

How does Murphey do it??

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« Reply #13334 on: 25/05/2011 22:23:00 »
Demo, personally I think your remaining 20% is most likely caused by semen and if you eliminated semen production you would eliminate that 20%. However I base that mainly on Animus's successful surgery and his case is still only one case no matter how successful it was meaning there may be a possibility it won't work for everyone with POIS.

On a different note, but not entirely, Starsky posted this on the new forum about fenugreek. I think it could be pretty important info:
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"OBJECTIVE: The objective of this study was to evaluate the potential antifertility activity of feeding diets containing 30% fenugreek seeds to male and female white New Zealand rabbits. RESULTS: The data presented in this study clearly demonstrate an antifertility effect of fenugreek seeds in the female rabbits and more of a toxicity effect in the male rabbits. In males, testis weight was reduced, with evident damage to the seminiferous tubules and interstitial tissues as shown by the histopathology of testis tissue sections. In addition, the plasma concentration of the androgen hormone and sperm concentrations were halved in the treated animals. In the case of the females, there was evidence of a significant reduction of developing fetuses as observed by reductions of both fetal and placental weights at 20 days of gestation and of the litter size. This was further supported histopathologically by the observed proliferative changes of the endometrial glands. The circulating plasma progesterone concentrations at 10 and 20 days of gestation significantly increased with no significant effect on the prebreeding estrogen concentrations in the treated animals."
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Perhaps this means fenugreek reduces POIS by reducing sperm production. Demo, did you say you tried fenugreek? If it didn't work for you maybe it's because you weren't producing sperm at the time.
« Last Edit: 25/05/2011 22:37:47 by Vincent Marcus »
Taking fenugreek+tea/garlic, saw palmetto, huperzine, niacin, boswellia, and nutmeg.

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« Reply #13335 on: 25/05/2011 23:08:24 »
I'm definitely having an allergic reaction to it (unless some negative placebo is possible?).  The allergist test also induced POIS.   

yes i think they called it nacebo

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« Reply #13336 on: 25/05/2011 23:17:55 »

bonjour,

je pense avoir les symptomes de POI...
parlez vous français sur ce forum?
merci


Oui. Pas moi, mais deux, trois autres. [:)]

Hahaha Demo , congratulations !
Oui, je suis français !!!

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« Reply #13337 on: 25/05/2011 23:55:00 »
Recent interview with Dr. Waldinger on an independent website of the university where he is a professor:

http://www.dub.uu.nl/content/sperma-allergie-gaat-de-wereld-over

Google Translate:
http://translate.google.nl/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dub.uu.nl%2Fcontent%2Fsperma-allergie-gaat-de-wereld-over&sl=nl&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8

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Meanwhile, Waldinger and colleagues of Immunopharmacology continue his research into the cause of POIS. "We are now at the molecular level to the sperm look. What is not good there? From studies in humans, we now have on basic research."
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« Reply #13338 on: 26/05/2011 00:12:54 »
So with fenugreek seeds, I read soak in water overnight, not much info?

Crush them a bit then soak?
How much water?
Do I drink the water in the morning?
Do I eat the seeds in the morning?
Who choose the # 10-20?

Any know overdose levels?

PS

Demo, personally I think your remaining 20% is most likely caused by semen and if you eliminated semen production you would eliminate that 20%. However I base that mainly on Animus's successful surgery and his case is still only one case no matter how successful it was meaning there may be a possibility it won't work for everyone with POIS.

On a different note, but not entirely, Starsky posted this on the new forum about fenugreek. I think it could be pretty important info:
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"OBJECTIVE: The objective of this study was to evaluate the potential antifertility activity of feeding diets containing 30% fenugreek seeds to male and female white New Zealand rabbits. RESULTS: The data presented in this study clearly demonstrate an antifertility effect of fenugreek seeds in the female rabbits and more of a toxicity effect in the male rabbits. In males, testis weight was reduced, with evident damage to the seminiferous tubules and interstitial tissues as shown by the histopathology of testis tissue sections. In addition, the plasma concentration of the androgen hormone and sperm concentrations were halved in the treated animals. In the case of the females, there was evidence of a significant reduction of developing fetuses as observed by reductions of both fetal and placental weights at 20 days of gestation and of the litter size. This was further supported histopathologically by the observed proliferative changes of the endometrial glands. The circulating plasma progesterone concentrations at 10 and 20 days of gestation significantly increased with no significant effect on the prebreeding estrogen concentrations in the treated animals."
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Perhaps this means fenugreek reduces POIS by reducing sperm production. Demo, did you say you tried fenugreek? If it didn't work for you maybe it's because you weren't producing sperm at the time.

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« Reply #13339 on: 26/05/2011 00:20:14 »
I'm definitely having an allergic reaction to it (unless some negative placebo is possible?).  The allergist test also induced POIS.   

yes i think they called it nacebo

Wow.  Never heard of nocebo.  Thanks for the tip.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nocebo

I think I'll join a hypochondriac forum just to hedge my bets.  Ha ha ha. 

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« Reply #13340 on: 26/05/2011 03:29:25 »
Recent interview with Dr. Waldinger on an independent website of the university where he is a professor:

http://www.dub.uu.nl/content/sperma-allergie-gaat-de-wereld-over

Google Translate:
http://translate.google.nl/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dub.uu.nl%2Fcontent%2Fsperma-allergie-gaat-de-wereld-over&sl=nl&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8

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Meanwhile, Waldinger and colleagues of Immunopharmacology continue his research into the cause of POIS. "We are now at the molecular level to the sperm look. What is not good there? From studies in humans, we now have on basic research."

That last two sentence is confusing, those that mean he is looking at the sperm to see what is wrong.

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« Reply #13341 on: 26/05/2011 03:31:27 »

Perhaps this means fenugreek reduces POIS by reducing sperm production. Demo, did you say you tried fenugreek? If it didn't work for you maybe it's because you weren't producing sperm at the time.

it also increases progesterone; progesterone reduces effect of  immune reaction a

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« Reply #13342 on: 26/05/2011 03:32:56 »

vandemolen, if i was to come over to netherlands, how long is dr waldingers waiting list.


CC, he just wrote to me that he could see Green at the end of July.
I was asking for two years down line if i have to move just trying to gage how quickly i will see him.
« Last Edit: 26/05/2011 03:41:06 by CCconfucius »

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« Reply #13343 on: 26/05/2011 10:13:22 »
That last two sentence is confusing, those that mean he is looking at the sperm to see what is wrong.
It's a bad translation of Google. But you are right.

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« Reply #13344 on: 26/05/2011 11:39:28 »
Recent interview with Dr. Waldinger on an independent website of the university where he is a professor:

http://www.dub.uu.nl/content/sperma-allergie-gaat-de-wereld-over

Google Translate:
http://translate.google.nl/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dub.uu.nl%2Fcontent%2Fsperma-allergie-gaat-de-wereld-over&sl=nl&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8

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Meanwhile, Waldinger and colleagues of Immunopharmacology continue his research into the cause of POIS. "We are now at the molecular level to the sperm look. What is not good there? From studies in humans, we now have on basic research."

That's newswhorthy ! It would be great we are allowed to know where are the researches months by months...

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« Reply #13345 on: 26/05/2011 15:16:39 »
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That's newswhorthy ! It would be great we are allowed to know where are the researches months by months...

I got scared when I first read this.
But I think he is searching for the exact component of the sperm we are allergic to, so to to make the remedy easier. Good job he's gotten more researchers on his team!
POIS, fatigue, brain fog, can't find words, irritated, can't concentrate.

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« Reply #13346 on: 26/05/2011 19:22:42 »

Demo, personally I think your remaining 20% is most likely caused by semen and if you eliminated semen production you would eliminate that 20%. However I base that mainly on Animus's successful surgery and his case is still only one case no matter how successful it was meaning there may be a possibility it won't work for everyone with POIS....
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Perhaps this means fenugreek reduces POIS by reducing sperm production. Demo, did you say you tried fenugreek? If it didn't work for you maybe it's because you weren't producing sperm at the time.


VM, thank you!

And I will try fenugreek, daveman also suggested it.

But since I have Zero-sperm now, I wonder if it could still work?
« Last Edit: 26/05/2011 19:38:56 by demografx »

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« Reply #13347 on: 26/05/2011 19:41:46 »
Nacebo? Wow, this place is always teaching me something new!

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« Reply #13348 on: 26/05/2011 22:48:27 »

Demo, personally I think your remaining 20% is most likely caused by semen and if you eliminated semen production you would eliminate that 20%. However I base that mainly on Animus's successful surgery and his case is still only one case no matter how successful it was meaning there may be a possibility it won't work for everyone with POIS....
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Perhaps this means fenugreek reduces POIS by reducing sperm production. Demo, did you say you tried fenugreek? If it didn't work for you maybe it's because you weren't producing sperm at the time.


VM, thank you!

And I will try fenugreek, daveman also suggested it.

But since I have Zero-sperm now, I wonder if it could still work?

I was thinking more about Lauracostis's theory which involves the whole hormonal chain reaction more than the sperm itself.

Perhaps the fenugreek may not contribute enough to acheive what he was speaking about, but since the progestin caused problems for you maybe we can give it a second more agreeable try with something a little less potent.

640mg 1 - 2 hrs before and one right after. On a full stomach works best they say.

Think it needs maintenance on non-O days. Same dose I think, one in the morning one at night.
How does Murphey do it??

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« Reply #13349 on: 27/05/2011 01:32:14 »
From our friend, Stefanie, at NORD


Dear Demo,

Despite what initially appeared to be enthusiasm on the part of Vesselin Dimov, MD, University of Chicago, and his colleague, Againdra K. Bewtra, MD, Creighton University,  I have not heard back from either of them after Dr. Dimov contacted me.
I did make two attempts at follow-up, but to no avail.  They both have excellent credentials, but they apparently are not interested in pursuing evaluations and testing.

There are others on my growing list of researchers who may be quite interested in evaluating men from the forum. So -- it's onward and upward!  There is no turning back! :-)

I will let you know as I hear from other physicians/researchers.

In the meantime, I understand that there have been discussions about a research grant sponsored by your group.  Excellent!!!!!  I am going to be sending information to you about NORD's research grant program for rare disorders -- our program may suit your needs perfectly! :-)





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