Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1350 on: 24/09/2008 01:47:32 »
Just to inform you, a letter was sent today to the tcm clinic in Germany. Thanks a lot to Girlwind who helped me for english and content ! You'll recognize her touch. I hope i'll have a positive answer but i'm not sure.
Dear Person,
I am a participant on an internet forum about science whose objective has been to find answers and treatment for a serious debilitating health condition called post orgasmic illness syndrome (pois). http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.0 
In the year since it began, this particular forum thread has had over 100 people posting on it about their experiences, most of them at their wits end with frustration at the often unsympathetic and unhelpful responses they've received from both medical doctors and alternative health providers.
As I understand, TCM does recognize a condition described as very similar. So my question to you is this: Could it be possible to communicate directly by email with a doctor from your clinic regarding this condition? I could provide you with even more information, if it's needed, and I'm willing to pay for this communication if that is necessary, if you would provide a list of fees with your response.
Thanks a lot for your help. Have a nice day.

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« Reply #1351 on: 24/09/2008 02:24:07 »
My best success at celibacy has come when I framed orgasm always in my mind as "horrible and hateful" rather than "delightful though obnoxious." It's important to keep busy; to keep the mind from wandering. I can stay celibate when I work about 70% of my waking day, weekends included. If one is sure to go to bed physically exhausted there isn't much energy left for erotic thoughts or sex acts.

I believe that if one thinks of sexual abstinence in terms of a fierce battle of life against death, not of a playful game of temptation and refusal with a guilty pleasure, his mind will not betray him, even in sleep.

There's no way to fully avoid thoughts of sex, but if one doesn't let his mind grasp onto them and run away with them, he won't find himself regretting yet another orgasm.

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« Reply #1352 on: 24/09/2008 03:22:36 »
Counterpoints, are you sometimes very hungry, and can't control what you eat and when ? When i had the same symptoms you have, it was the case. (How old are you if it's permitted to ask ?) I think long session of sport (endurance) will help you. Fibers can help(intestinal transit and remove zinc).  Try not taking too much vitamin E, iodine, salt, protein, b6, zinc, ginseng ...(if you absolutely want to take multivitamins take one for children) . For me an extremely low dose of salt cause insomnia when i'm sexually abstinent, and usually it's harder to control when you don't sleep enough. In a medical book i have, they say salt is antagonistic to bromine (bromine was given to people in their military service to help with sexual urge)
If someone give you one million dollar to stop having orgasms you'll stop right now. It's also will power, and focus on other things as other people said. If this is not enough there is a homeopathic remedy very effective for me and it seems to be safe.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1353 on: 24/09/2008 03:33:03 »
martin88, best wishes with the letter!
« Last Edit: 24/09/2008 03:34:54 by demografx »

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« Reply #1354 on: 24/09/2008 03:46:58 »
Martin88, I am often very hungry, and am somewhat of an impulsive eater.  (I am not at all overweight though).  Thanks for the advice.  Unlike many people here, insomnia is not one of my problems.  POIS does not make it harder for me to sleep.  Prolonged lack of orgasm can make it somewhat more difficult, but that is normal enough.  Thanks again for the suggestions, and good work with your letter.

Nick B, thanks for your response.  However, I don't believe it is healthy to think of orgasm as "horrible and hateful". This certainly would contribute to any negative post-orgasm experiences. 

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« Reply #1355 on: 24/09/2008 05:49:32 »
Thanks Demografx and Counterpoints, you have written a lot more than me here. Counterpoints, i think it can be a good start to eat regularly and healthy, not more than 2 or 3 times a day and at the same hour. This should reduce the desire and make you more focused.

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« Reply #1356 on: 24/09/2008 12:07:42 »
Hi All

Searching the net because of a problem that has arisen.  Not sure if what I have experienced falls into this section or not.  Therefore please be patient with me, and hopefully someone out there can help with trying to establish what it is and what can be done about it.

The other day sun shining etc. etc. everything was fine until orgasm, then nothing or at least I do not remember a thing, I had an orgasm, I got the tissues and lay back, but not a thing I remember.  After about 5 minutes I was aware that we had done something, but couldn't recall a thing.  Slowly some information came back right up until the orgasm but not after that.

I felt generally bad, I had a headache but not splitting, my brain felt almost light headed, a strange feeling, which I do find difficult to explain.  I feel/felt very tired have a lot of naps, and have slept well after the episode.

It all happened on sunday and as I write this it is now 3 days ago, I still have the light headed feeling, my headache comes and goes.  I have been to my GP who has discounted any form of TIA, which is good, but is sending me for more in-depth tests just in case.

This is the first major event like this, although I do remember a while ago I had a similar event but it was only minor, and I just brushed it aside.  We have had  normal relations since that first time, and nothing until sunday whcih is far more major

I am not asking for a clinical diagnosis, but was wondering if anyone else has expereiced this and can shed any light on it.

Many thanks for your time and attention, and look forward to your response.

Kind regards

Phil

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« Reply #1357 on: 24/09/2008 16:06:26 »
PHILFOOT, wecome to the POIS Forum! Not 100% sure, but it seems like POIS to me, and we have come up with treatments here, in the early stages. Please read through the posts.

I would also recommend that you see the POIS video at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWBxAUC9k1g

And if you fill out this form, our researchers can eventually better assist you:
http://pois.olympe-network.com

« Last Edit: 24/09/2008 18:53:25 by demografx »

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« Reply #1358 on: 25/09/2008 01:11:07 »
Phil, I actually don't think this is POIS.  It sounds like post-coital headache.  My first thought was "see a doctor", until I saw that you had.  Perhaps follow up with another doctor to be sure?  Don't panic, but certainly have this investigated.  It is probably harmless, but it's not worth the risk of assuming such.  Did you have your blood pressure taken?  Also, how old are you?

It could also be that you were just overly exposed to light.  I have sometimes gotten terrible headaches after being out for a long time on a particularly sunny day.  They have lasted up to 3 days. 
« Last Edit: 25/09/2008 01:13:45 by Counterpoints »

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« Reply #1359 on: 25/09/2008 02:42:58 »
Haven't we seen headaches before? I agree, it doesn't fit the usual pattern, but even that varies significantly.

I wouldn't rule out POIS so quickly. Besides, we don't have exact consensus here as to POIS definition, except that it's (1) POST orgasmic, and (2) lasts for DAYS.

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« Reply #1360 on: 25/09/2008 03:00:25 »
Yes, we have [edit: seen headaches before], demografx.  I suppose it will soon be obvious whether or not this is POIS; I'm not ruling it out, it just seems as though it is one of the less likely possibilities.  The description strikes me as a different, and more common problem.  Orgasm has caused aneurisms, strokes, aggravated heart conditions, etc.  Orgasm itself is not usually dangerous in these ways, but it can precipitate an underlying condition.  I have seen a case of this in the hospital, first hand.  And there is also post-coital headache.  The fact Phil mentioned sunlight also made me think he could be sensitive to prolonged and intense light exposure.  That is common enough.  In the end, I think this is probably a minor, passing, difficulty, but is worth consulting with a doctor over.  Anyways, this was my line of thought.

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« Reply #1361 on: 25/09/2008 03:03:22 »
Yes, I agree, consulting the doctor with this is important.

btw, I modified my post above.

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« Reply #1362 on: 26/09/2008 03:00:19 »
I hate to be always pessimistic here!
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http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/News/2006/January/20010601.asp
By the way, i saw some posts talking about tyrosine and phenylalanine. From this page they say both can cause skin cancer in long term use.
http://www.beatcfsandfms.org/html/NaStrategy.html
Unfortunately pois have this sad consequence to push us to do a lot of unusual things we'd have never done if we were healthy.
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« Reply #1363 on: 26/09/2008 03:40:49 »
I hate the fact to be always pessimistic here!
Not pessimistic, Martin, realistic! As you say, desperate people sometimes do desperate things. We need to be careful. That's why I always stress warnings about trying my personal cure.

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« Reply #1364 on: 26/09/2008 05:30:48 »
I was talking to an MD PhD physician who specializes in sexual disorders, etc.  He said he has seen 4 people with POIS in his practice.  He recognizes it as a legitimate condition, and he has also read Waldinger's paper.  He said 3 of the people improved with Wellbutrin, but all of them eventually discontinued the drug anyways...
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« Reply #1365 on: 26/09/2008 05:53:39 »
Motor Control.

I remember Demografx saying something about playing the piano.  I am also a pianist.  I've noticed that my motor control is not affected by POIS.  My playing technique is not substantially affected.  Has anyone here noticed loss of motor control?

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« Reply #1366 on: 26/09/2008 12:08:03 »
I'm also a pianist (used to be), we have now 3 cases playing piano! I can play  piano in pois, and i don't think motor control is affected, however i lose tempo, feeling, and pleasure to play.

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« Reply #1367 on: 26/09/2008 15:22:54 »
I'm also a pianist (used to be), we have now 3 cases playing piano! I can play  piano in pois, and i don't think motor control is affected, however i lose tempo, feeling, and pleasure to play.

I'm a guitar player, and fatigue from CFS and POIS does affect my playing. What's affected most is tempo and
finger picking coordination.  On bad CFS days I have poor coordination over all and easily drop things, spill
things, trip and mis-navigate corners, sometimes walking into walls. Also I tend to be forgetful, and have left
food on the stove, to burn down to unrecognizable chunks of black, destroying many pots and pans. A few
times I left eggs to boil, while I busied myself on the computer, and after the water had boiled away, about an
hour later, they actually exploded, hitting the adjacent wall. After many such I Love Lucy moments, my
boyfriend bought me a toaster oven with a timed automatic shut-off, as well as a cooking timer, which I
sometimes remember to use.  [:)]
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« Reply #1368 on: 26/09/2008 16:48:45 »
Motor Control.

I remember Demografx saying something about playing the piano.  I am also a pianist.  I've noticed that my motor control is not affected by POIS.  My playing technique is not substantially affected.  Has anyone here noticed loss of motor control?

When in POIS I'm completely discouraged from playing the piano. It's strictly emotional, though. I don't really want to do ANYTHING in POIS.

btw, Welbutrin had an immediate effect on me, and it was all bad. One try and I quit.

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« Reply #1369 on: 26/09/2008 17:56:17 »
we have now 3 cases playing piano!
Just as I suspected: Piano playing causes POIS! [;D]
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« Reply #1370 on: 26/09/2008 19:02:53 »
Demografx, you couldn't possibly know whether Wellbutrin can help you or not after "one try". 

I think this is a medication worth testing for a decent duration of time, if the results are so promising.  Of course, there is also likely a reason these people are discontinuing use anyways.  Do they get better without it?  Or do they just hate the side effects?  It's worth finding out more.

It makes sense that Wellbutrin could have an effect on this condition, since it is both a dopamine and epinephrine reuptake inhibitor.  We have discussed the possibility that a dopamine depletion could be responsible for these symptoms.  We have also discussed the relevance of catecholamines, like epinephrine.
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« Reply #1371 on: 26/09/2008 19:07:40 »
Demo, you say you are discouraged from playing the piano.  I am too, when I feel symptomatic.  But can you still play a scale quickly and without making mistakes?  That was my question...  I am wondering whether motor control loss is a notable symptom or not.  I don't play piano as musically when I am symptomatic -- like Martin said, the feeling
and thoughtfulness is somewhat lost.  But my technique does not substantially suffer.

To those who don't play a musical instrument, here is an interesting experiment.  When you are not symptomatic, take a typing test.  e.g. at http://www.typingtest.com/default.asp.  Take it about 5 times, and write down each of your scores.

Then when you are symptomatic, go back to that test.  Take it 5 times, and write down your scores.
Then try a new typing test, and take it 5 times, and write down your scores.

The results should be interesting.
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« Reply #1372 on: 26/09/2008 20:44:30 »
Counterpoints, I am not putting down Wellbutrin for anyone else! It's not "scientific" but I just had such a violently bad reaction that no one could pay me enough to try it again!

I posted elsewhere here what one of my psychiatrists said about antidepressants as an example: even though all the SSRI antidepressants work to block re-uptake of serotonin, no one really knows why they all work differently for different people, e.g., Zoloft might work for one person, not for another, yet Effexor might work where Zoloft does not.

But no thanks, I will pass on "science" for a repeat bout with Wellbutrin...for ME. Besides, I have a formula that works for me now.

Again, I wouldn't discourage anyone to find out if Wellbutrin can work for them.
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« Reply #1373 on: 26/09/2008 20:48:14 »
Demo, you say you are discouraged from playing the piano.  I am too, when I feel symptomatic.  But can you still play a scale quickly and without making mistakes?
I play blues and boogie woogie, highly improvisationally, and the "emotional input" is more critical than the speed and the precision.

POIS destroys the former.

I haven't fully tested it, but my guess is that the precision and speed is there.

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« Reply #1374 on: 27/09/2008 01:51:42 »
i'm also a bass guitar player (6 strings) girlwind.
Four musicians, we're not so far to create the pois band!

Just as I suspected: Piano playing causes POIS! [;D]
me too !  [;)] [;D]

It would have been interesting to understand why you have had this reaction with wellbutrin.

Counterpoints, speed is not affected for me while playing, but i can't play for long because of fatigue in fingers, and mental.

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« Reply #1375 on: 27/09/2008 05:01:53 »
For some people I noticed that garlic wasn't working, to activate the most active chemical component (alicin) (I think I spelled it right) its necessary to CRUSH the garlic cloves.

Secondly, for those of you who have failed on Wellbutrin because of the side effects, please try the non-sustained release (buproprion 100mg) and split the tablet in half, you can work up to a therapeutic dose.

Wellbutrin worked for me for the POIS in 1999, I was taking sustained release 100mg per day but in 2001 I became allergic to it and could no longer take it. The part of Wellbutrin (Buproprion) that I liked best was the effect it had on my nor-epineprine and thus motivation.

If you would like to read the most updated studies on medications and their uses, please visit pubmed.com and read the abstracts. Often the entire abstract requires a subscription to the medical journal, ie. NEJM New England Journal Of Medicine. However, if you cut and paste the full name of the article and Google it, chances are, someone has posted it in PDF format.

Thats all for now guys,

Dr. Matt


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« Reply #1376 on: 27/09/2008 18:31:06 »
Four musicians, we're not so far to create the pois band!
POIS BAND, that's hilarious, Martin! I can just see it now, songs like "I'm So Tired" (actual Beatles song) or "I Love You But Let's Not Sleep Together" [;D]

More POIS songs?:
So Tired - Ozzy Osbourne
Tired Of Being Alone - Al Green
Tired Of Being Blonde - Carly Simon
Tired of England - Dirty Pretty Things
Tired Of Sex - Weezer
Tired Of Waiting For You - The Kinks
Tired Of You - Foo Fighters
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« Reply #1377 on: 27/09/2008 19:20:33 »
Just for clarification, the MD PhD I referred to was not Dr. Matt.  He (the person I referred to) is a practicioner and professor in San Fransisco.  He has given me his CV to post, which I may do shortly.  Right now I am acting as a proxy to prevent an overwhelming number of contacts.

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« Reply #1378 on: 27/09/2008 19:37:58 »
Thanks for your post Dr. Matt.  Did Wellbutrin completely alleviate you of POIS symptoms?  In a sense, did you become the person you were before you ever had POIS?  And how long did it take to start working?

Also, why do you refer to yourself as "Dr."  Do you have an MD or a PhD?  And can you tell us more about your POIS history?

Thanks.


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« Reply #1379 on: 27/09/2008 20:04:14 »
Four musicians, we're not so far to create the pois band!
POIS BAND, that's hilarious, Martin! I can just see it now, songs like "I'm So Tired" (actual Beatles song) or "I Love You But Let's Not Sleep Together" [;D]

More POIS songs?:
So Tired - Ozzy Osbourne
Tired Of Being Alone - Al Green
Tired Of Being Blonde - Carly Simon
Tired of England - Dirty Pretty Things
Tired Of Sex - Weezer
Tired Of Waiting For You - The Kinks
Tired Of You - Foo Fighters


I've been working on a writing project that has occupied a lot of my time, but was checking in occasionally to see what you guys are
up to. DEMOGRAFX: This band idea is SO FUNNY! I had to respond with some original song lyrics:
 
Once upon a time ago I had an orgasm
So now I'm near to dead
And all the sexy videos are telling me
This trip is in my head 
My juices are escaping---I am not even faking
It's really crazy making, when screwing's such a dread

Sex is what sex is what sex is I'm not
Don't ask me to explain---my brain is inside out
Sex is what sex is what sex is I forgot
The River of Libido is feeling like a drought

Once upon a time ago this old nun told me
Do THAT and you'll go blind
So how could I resist the urge
To do THAT all the time
And now I must be dying, for lack of the denying
But I can see just fine, that lust is not so kind

Sex is what sex is what sex is I'm not
Don't ask me to explain---my brain is inside out
Sex is what sex is what sex is I forgot
The River of Libido is feeling like a drought
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« Reply #1380 on: 27/09/2008 20:56:31 »
It would have been interesting to understand why you have had this reaction with wellbutrin.
No idea, Martin. Some people just react badly to certain meds. I also reacted badly to an antianxiety agent called Buspar. Now I stick to caffeine [;D]

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« Reply #1381 on: 27/09/2008 20:59:47 »
Also, why do you [Dr Matt] refer to yourself as "Dr."  Do you have an MD or a PhD?  And can you tell us more about your POIS history?
Good luck, Counterpoints, I hope he answers. I asked the exact same questions. No reply.
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« Reply #1382 on: 27/09/2008 21:04:47 »
Once upon a time ago this old nun told me
Do THAT and you'll go blind
So how could I resist the urge
To do THAT all the time
I stopped when I needed glasses [;D]

EXCELLENT lyrics in your post, girlwind!
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« Reply #1383 on: 27/09/2008 22:19:39 »
Once upon a time ago this old nun told me
Do THAT and you'll go blind
So how could I resist the urge
To do THAT all the time
I stopped when I needed glasses [;D]

EXCELLENT lyrics in your post, girlwind!

Thanks, that was a good release. No pun intended.  [;D]

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« Reply #1384 on: 27/09/2008 22:30:29 »
POIS does not prevent me rattling through a tune I know well on the piano (albeit without that much feeling, as Counterpoints said) - if I was trying to play an unfamiliar piece, however, POIS would be a huge handicap (my sight reading is not that great).

When it comes to driving a car, you would expect that to be a complex activity that POIS would affect substantially. In fact, it does not affect my driving nearly as badly as many other aspects of my life.

Perhaps activities that you can do with little concentration due to a very high degree of practice (motor skills) are less badly affected than activities that require more creative thought/social ability/executive brain control?

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« Reply #1385 on: 28/09/2008 06:00:39 »
Perhaps activities that you can do with little concentration due to a very high degree of practice (motor skills) are less badly affected than activities that require more creative thought/social ability/executive brain control?
I agree 100%, hurray. I compare it to driving impairment while under the influence. Routine (practiced, as you say) driving - especially on routes well-traveled previously - may go relatively smoothly. But throw in the unexpected (a girl runs out toward you chasing her ball) - and that's when terrible accidents happen: creative and quick judgment go out the window.

I wouldn't be surprised if "in POIS" driving - when the unexpected occurs - can cause accidents!
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« Reply #1386 on: 28/09/2008 13:33:41 »
There is a section on "over-masturbation" (http://herballove.com/article.asp?Art=216 [nofollow]) which describes many of the horrible symptoms of POIS - especially brain fog. 

pyropeach.......Very interesting article!

I don't think that this could be related to POIS tough.

The symptoms of POIS occur after every orgasm even in the case where there is a whole month between releases. If once a month is too much. When is it not?

Also symptoms of POIS are proportional to the intensity of orgasm. Less time between orgasms mean degradation of orgasm and less severe symptoms (it is contra-intuitive, but it is true).

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« Reply #1387 on: 28/09/2008 13:38:47 »
Now for the realy unconventional question. (Many are not going to like this, but the question should be asked at least once anyway).

What would be the result of suppressed homosexuality on dopamine and prolactin production?

One would think that if you have sex with people you are not sexualy attracted to dopamine would be low and as a result prolactin would be high.

In this case i am actually thinking about a built-in defense system that seems to be very heavily engaged in some people and is intended to make sure that you do not have sex with people of the wrong gender.
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« Reply #1388 on: 28/09/2008 14:57:23 »
My best success at celibacy has come when I framed orgasm always in my mind as "horrible and hateful" rather than "delightful though obnoxious." It's important to keep busy; to keep the mind from wandering. I can stay celibate when I work about 70% of my waking day, weekends included. If one is sure to go to bed physically exhausted there isn't much energy left for erotic thoughts or sex acts.

I believe that if one thinks of sexual abstinence in terms of a fierce battle of life against death, not of a playful game of temptation and refusal with a guilty pleasure, his mind will not betray him, even in sleep.

There's no way to fully avoid thoughts of sex, but if one doesn't let his mind grasp onto them and run away with them, he won't find himself regretting yet another orgasm.

Two words: beta blockers!

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« Reply #1389 on: 28/09/2008 15:01:30 »
Hi All

Searching the net because of a problem that has arisen.  Not sure if what I have experienced falls into this section or not.  Therefore please be patient with me, and hopefully someone out there can help with trying to establish what it is and what can be done about it.

The other day sun shining etc. etc. everything was fine until orgasm, then nothing or at least I do not remember a thing, I had an orgasm, I got the tissues and lay back, but not a thing I remember.  After about 5 minutes I was aware that we had done something, but couldn't recall a thing.  Slowly some information came back right up until the orgasm but not after that.

I felt generally bad, I had a headache but not splitting, my brain felt almost light headed, a strange feeling, which I do find difficult to explain.  I feel/felt very tired have a lot of naps, and have slept well after the episode.

It all happened on sunday and as I write this it is now 3 days ago, I still have the light headed feeling, my headache comes and goes.  I have been to my GP who has discounted any form of TIA, which is good, but is sending me for more in-depth tests just in case.

This is the first major event like this, although I do remember a while ago I had a similar event but it was only minor, and I just brushed it aside.  We have had  normal relations since that first time, and nothing until sunday whcih is far more major

I am not asking for a clinical diagnosis, but was wondering if anyone else has expereiced this and can shed any light on it.

Many thanks for your time and attention, and look forward to your response.

Kind regards

Phil

Seems like you need a neurologist. (Ensist on a good one, open to male sexuality (which mostly excludes women doctors)).

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« Reply #1390 on: 28/09/2008 15:04:57 »
Phil, I actually don't think this is POIS.  It sounds like post-coital headache. 

Was my first idea too.

But passing out at the point of having "the worst headache of your live"? Including memory loss?

It is of course possible, even likely. Abstenance of a few weeks should work then.

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« Reply #1391 on: 28/09/2008 15:36:47 »
Yes, we have [edit: seen headaches before], demografx. 

I think that what counterpoints means is that i don't have it either. And I think that he is right.

I am also just giving pointers to things that seem obvious in a larger context of dealing with post orgasmic symptoms.

Because I sure have *something* that has always been there and will never go away.

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« Reply #1392 on: 28/09/2008 18:04:50 »
Yes, we have [edit: seen headaches before], demografx. 

I think that what counterpoints means is that i don't have it either. And I think that he is right.

I am also just giving pointers to things that seem obvious in a larger context of dealing with post orgasmic symptoms.

Because I sure have *something* that has always been there and will never go away.

imre1, I think you did have a form of POIS.  It lasted for years, it was somewhat consistent, and you shared many of our symptoms.

How are you doing now?  Are the beta-blockers still working?  Are you taking anything else?  Have you had any more tests?

I have been on bisoprolol 5 mg/day for a month now.  I have noticed moderate improvement, but I don't know whether or not I can attribute it to the bisoprolol.  I am going to move to 10 mg/day and see what happens.  Of course, you had headaches, and some other symptoms, that I didn't.  (So I'm not saying if it doesn't work for me it isn't working for you). 

Also, I don't consistently have high blood pressure.  It's usually about 120/70.  However, sometimes when I go to the pharmacy I measure it and am very surprised.  It's 165/110, or something alarmingly high.  This doesn't directly coincide with POIS symptoms, but there may be a relation.

My question:  did you always have high blood pressure? (if so, what was it approximately?)  From your posts, it's something you seem to have suspected way before you started on beta blockers.  If you did know you had high BP, why didn't you try a beta blocker (or ACE inhibitor) sooner?   
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« Reply #1393 on: 28/09/2008 18:23:01 »
Now for the realy unconventional question. (Many are not going to like this, but the question should be asked at least once anyway).

What would be the result of suppressed homosexuality on dopamine and prolactin production?

One would think that if you have sex with people you are not sexualy attracted to dopamine would be low and as a result prolactin would be high.

I'm not sure what the result on the neurochemicals would be.  If you're having sex with someone you're not attracted to, the experience would probably be lessened in most aspects (e.g. less dopamine and prolactin?). 



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« Reply #1394 on: 28/09/2008 20:51:38 »
...symptoms of POIS are proportional to the intensity of orgasm. Less time between orgasms mean degradation of orgasm and less severe symptoms (it is contra-intuitive, but it is true).

Imre1, I think we're all different.

One of my most intense POIS episodes came from a VERY weak orgasm (I was shocked because I expected what you said, i.e., LESS severe POIS). This has happened to me repeatedly.

Also, less time between orgasms means more severe symptoms...for me.
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« Reply #1395 on: 29/09/2008 16:17:33 »
Critical Care Pharmacist since 1994, 2 years in Medical School 2006-2007, dropped out due to cost and politics within the system. 10 Computer certifications, 4 degrees; BS Chemistry 1989, Pharm D. 1994, BS System Administration 1998, MS Computer information systems 2005.

Yes, indeed, Wellbutrin (buproprion) worked best for the POIS, was very instramental in 1999 in getting back an almost normal life.

For those people that Levitra, Cialis or Viagra seem to help. The problem may be with a vascular disorder related to Phosphodiesterase. All three ED drugs are Phosphodiesterase 5 inhibitors. Since ED drugs are so expensive, all of you may want to try a non-specific phosophodiesterase inhibitor like Theophylline. (Theophylline is essentially caffiene with a methyl group attached to it, it is in the classification of a methylxanthine and is considered to be safe, but can cause irritability). The exact milligram strength for phosphodiesterase inhibition may vary, 300mg sustained release seems to alliviate my symptoms but causes irritability and difficulty sleeping, which makes it prohibitive.

Theophylline can also be obtained in smaller quantities from Coffee, Tea and Chocolate.


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« Reply #1396 on: 29/09/2008 19:41:07 »
Oh, another thing that I wanted to mention. Those people taking Glucophage (Metformin) for Diabetes. Metformin can heavily contribute to Adrenal insufficiency and severely exacerbate PIOS.

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« Reply #1397 on: 29/09/2008 21:41:14 »
Hey,

I believe I have been suffering from POIS for about 5 or 6 years.  I am only 20 years old.  I at first thought that my symptoms were caused from religious guilt.  But whenever I have an orgasm from masturbation I feel miserable for EXACTLY 3 days.  It is like a clock.  As soon as I release I feel an intense warm feeling in my body.  That night I am unable to sleep.  I sweat alot even though I am not hot. 
The following day I feel mildly depressed and nervous and confused.  My mind feels so different than before my release.  The second day is the worse and I try not to even talk to anyone.  It is so depressing.  I just don't feel like myself.  The third day I begin to feel better.  After exactly 72 hours I feel fine.  This happens everytime.  BUt I suffer no physical pain.  It's all mental.  I am worried because I am so young.  I want to marry but I want to feel normal after I have sex. 
At first I thought that these symptoms would disappear after I got married due to religious reasons.  Now, after reading this forum I have doubts.  I currently go for about a month without an orgasm because I can't stand the after effects.  But I have such a stong sex drive I can't permantely avoid orgasm.  I take no medicine and I am in perfect physical condition. I just want to enjoy pleasure but act normal.  I don't know what to do.. anyone want to help?
I have spent the last year or two experimenting with various mental opinions while masturbating to no avail.  I am sure I must be suffering from POIS and I am so glad I am not alone.

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« Reply #1398 on: 29/09/2008 23:36:52 »
Since ED drugs are so expensive, all of you may want to try a non-specific phosophodiesterase inhibitor like Theophylline.

First, "all of you may want to try" is just irresponsible for you to say, especially coming from a pharmacist. Please choose your words more carefully.

Matt, I have been working hard to post warnings and not encourage ED drugs, unless someone has ED (yes, I have it and yes, it works for my POIS).

Warnings on the internet, though not fully corroborated, have included concerns about ED drugs affecting the heart and also potential concerns about blindness.

Also, even for those with ED, before rushing into your idea of Theophylline, I think some research needs to be done as to why Levitra works for me, yet Cialis was an abominable failure. I would welcome your thoughts about that.

Again, a personal physician's full and open cooperation is critical.

Keep in mind that people can get desperate with POIS and try anything. And, as I'm sure you're aware, ED drugs are easily available on the internet. All the more dangerous.
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« Reply #1399 on: 29/09/2008 23:47:08 »
TARKINGTON, welcome to The POIS Forum! I would recommend reading through some of the back posts. You will see your own story and you will see some things that are safe to try and others that you can discuss with a physician.

Meanwhile, sit back, relax and watch the POIS video created by our listmember "girlwind":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWBxAUC9k1g

TARKINGTON, thank you very much for posting your story. In one short year we have made tremendous progress here, so don't give up!