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« Reply #13900 on: 07/07/2011 18:43:42 »

Guys, did I miss a post from Dmitry trying to sell us something? Last I read, Dmitry was simply advising what had worked for him, and it is a substance that can be purchased from numerous sources. I'm wondering why he seems shady given that I had not seen him try to profit from this advice.


You may have missed the posts and the PM's that I deleted. He was getting VERY aggressive about posting his email (spamming) and getting injectable XN samples into all your hands, after collecting some information from you. At least 4 people here were "ready to go", and I just hope to hell that they haven't done so!

You asked: Universally available injectable XN? Profit motive? Please see my reply above to silverandcol.

I was NOT about to wait for him to kill someone here with his destructive quackery!



Ah that seems alot more suspicious now.  I'm guessing he wanted to eventually be a supplier of these injections for us.  It is also weird that he thinks we are fine injecting ourselves when you need at least the training of a nurse to give shots I think.  No normal person can just find the vein in our butt muscle lo.

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« Reply #13901 on: 07/07/2011 19:07:55 »
Hi Guys,

I'm one of the guys at the Russian forum. I really pity about recent events on this forum and I would want to remove any confusion I would be able to.
1. Dmitriy had contacted me personally and I was told him that XN helps me. I had a post about XN here, but I didn't tried to promote it neither I do want to promote it now. It is injectable medicine, so please be careful. I don't know the motives of Dmitriy, but I don't believe that his target was to make money on it. The XN is very common and cheap drug in Russia and Ukraine where I live.
2. As far as I know XN helps me, Dmitriy and one another person, don't rmbr his name.
3. XN doesn't cure the disease it only cures the symptoms, and if make a grade of how well it cures the symptoms for me, I would grade it as 95% and I have to make the injection at the day I want to have O, before O.
4. I know nothing about XN in pills and what should be the doze to have the same effect.
5. I don't know why it helps me and how it helps, it was my doctor who tried to help me with POIS and who wanted to check if Niacin helps, but because of my problems with stomach reverted to XN as less damaging drug for the stomach.
6. There is no any tests that was taken by the people who find it helpful and that approve that the XN really helps.

So, again, XN is an injectable drug, so be careful, the number of people having POIS who tried it and who find this drug helpful is very limited.

Victor
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« Reply #13902 on: 07/07/2011 19:12:36 »
Dimtri's was definitely one of the strangest posts ever on here.
56 POIS sufferers tested?!
If he just said he tested six, I would have believed him.. but 56???.. come on..

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« Reply #13903 on: 07/07/2011 19:19:16 »

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« Reply #13904 on: 07/07/2011 19:19:50 »
Dimtri's was definitely one of the strangest posts ever on here.
56 POIS sufferers tested?!
If he just said he tested six, I would have believed him.. but 56???.. come on..


horizon, I didn't saw dmitri's post, I know only one thing it is me who started talking about XN, and I know only 3 people including me who find it helpful and this is only by our own words, it is not approved by any tests.

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« Reply #13905 on: 07/07/2011 19:21:41 »
Victor

wheres the actual forum? it would appear the link is for a blog, not a forum
Thanks

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=pl&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsyndrom-x.blogspot.com%2F&act=url

Its not a forum, its a blog, but blog was written by several peoples, it has multiple authors, it has very little activity right now though.

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« Reply #13906 on: 07/07/2011 19:23:45 »
Here is the post
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg360963#msg360963

So you would agree that this Dmitry finding 56 POIS sufferers through that blog sounds like total nonsense?
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« Reply #13907 on: 07/07/2011 19:29:40 »
Here is the post
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg360963#msg360963

So you would agree that this Dimitri finding 56 POIS sufferers through that blog sounds like total nonsense?

Ha-ha, thats funny, this is complete lie. I have a message history in my ICQ where Dmitriy is very glad that XN helped him and he says that he tried to find such a cure for 14 years. But for sure no research was undertaken in Russia and there are no 56 these sufferes. Its a complete lie. So I start to think that he lied for a reason to have some benefit for himself.

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« Reply #13908 on: 07/07/2011 19:35:59 »
Note that victor.kons also posted about Xantinol Nicotinate this past October (you can search the forum to find past references to Xantinol Nicotinate).  I'm guessing he's part of the same research-study? :

Hello, Everyone!

I'm 30 years old man. I have the POIS syndrome from the start of my sexual life. Our group of several Russian guys have started our blog to find the people with similar problems and try to find the remedy at least from symptoms together. Our blog is located here: http://syndrom-x.blogspot.com. Though we didn't posses as much of the information as this forum contains. This is absolutely great and encouraging to know the problem was at least acknowledged by some researchers and some people are working at it.

I only can add to the information you already have here only one my personal observation.
I have find out that injecting Xantinol Nicotinate before sex, just right before, or a couple of hours before sex, prevents appearance of any POIS symptoms cluster for me, this time. So, I use injections of 0.5 ml of Xantinol Nicotinate every time, Using dozes equal or less than 0.3 ml doesn't prevent POIS symptoms. I have tried to do injections after sex, but they don't help as much as before it. This is only symptomatic cure of course and I'm to be fair surprised why it works, but it works for me, I don't know whether it works for anyone else. But I hope that this information could be helpful to anyone.

Thank you, for this great forum!
Victor


I am not part of the research study, the research study is complete bullshit, no such research study existed. And yes, it was my first post on this forum.

Victor

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« Reply #13909 on: 07/07/2011 19:38:29 »
So then, can you confirm that you, Victor, are not interested at all in selling or sending this drug to anyone who asks for it? You would totally refuse to, right?
thanks in advance

I'm interested only in software development that is my profession, not selling the drugs.

Victor

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« Reply #13910 on: 07/07/2011 19:39:19 »
So then, can you confirm that you, Victor, are not interested at all in selling or sending this drug to anyone who asks for it? You would totally refuse to, right?
thanks in advance

I'm interested only in software development that is my profession, not selling the drugs.

Victor

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« Reply #13911 on: 07/07/2011 19:45:08 »

B_Daniel - Love your work in promoting the NORD Donations. Please put me down for $100.00 which I will put into the fund in a month or two. (just trying to work some things out now).


In the voice of Frank Costanza: That's what I'm talking about!!!

jivetalk - I've added you to the pledged donation table on the POIScenter forum, under the 'Tally of Nord Donations' thread!
 
As a group we have over $6,700 pledged to NORD on top of our $2,385 of actual donations. This thing is real guys - with everyone's continued support and pledges and donations, we're going to get some REAL RESEARCH and some REAL PUBLICITY (within the medical community) about POIS!



Wow!!!
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« Reply #13912 on: 07/07/2011 19:48:38 »

VICTOR, thank you very much for your objective reporting about XN!!

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« Reply #13913 on: 07/07/2011 19:53:36 »

Horizon, thank you for asking the tough questions!!

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« Reply #13914 on: 07/07/2011 19:57:20 »

It is not siting well with me that he also needs our phone number, by the time we send him message, he has our phone number, mailing address and email, what can of information can be swiped using those information,


A lot of information can be accessed that way. It is the first step in identity theft. This info is used to verify identity at many banks, insurance companies, credit cards, etc.  

Beware of this Russian Scam!!! He probably knows a lot of other people who collaborate in this type of scam. It could be really damaging to your credit.

If you have already passed on this info- monitor your credit in the upcoming months.
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« Reply #13915 on: 07/07/2011 20:27:15 »
First of all, I want to underline that I never said I wanted him to supply me with XN.
I am not completely crazy. If I want to get it, I have some family in a foreign country where it is sold in a drugstore. (so much more trustful!)

I called a friend doctor yesterday, who told me "XN is a double vasodilator, which can create some hypotension. Do not use it if you had a heart operation or if you have some heart disorders."
He told me how to make a bottok injection without hurting any main nerve, please dont inject anything without having qualified advice.

Before trying it, we should obviously talk about it with a qualified doctor and get the XN in a safe drugstore place.

Dmitry never asked me to pay anything anyways, gave his phone number. But I never gave him my personal address, and he will never be my supplier. I think if he wanted a benefit from it, he wouldn't have mentioned the name of the medicine.

When I saw his first post, I was really skeptical and believed it was fake... after I got interest on the product. But to read the 56 fakes patients study with 68% of success make me go back to my first impression...

Victor, could it be possible to have more persons from your blog posting on the forum to state and give their results? thank you  [:)]

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« Reply #13916 on: 07/07/2011 20:36:09 »


WARNING!! SCAM ALERT!!

*beep beep beep*
Proceed with extreme caution!  I would not invite more of them into the forum. These are elaborate scams in which they try to build trust over time, and then use your data. It is done in many ways.


note: there is enough contradicting evidence here to completely reject Dmitri, his friends, and his possible "cure".
I for one, completely do not trust anything he says, or anyone associated with him.
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« Reply #13917 on: 07/07/2011 20:39:23 »
Does anyone know if the anti-depressant Prozac has any side effects in long term? Has anyone tried it?

I've written it earlier and added more info on POIS forum - I highly recommend not to take any psychotropic medication unless you are officially diagnosed as having endogenous depression or something similarily severe. I've been taking various Prozac-like antidepressants (SSRI/SNRI) for more than 3,5 years and things have slowly gotten worse, especially the cognitive problems. It has been over 8 months since the last dose and I am still suffering from hellish protracted withdrawal.

No memory (I mean NO memory), indifference & apathy, emotional numbness (inability to feel positive/negative emotions), problems with organizing and planning, impaired abstract thinking - I was only able to think in real time, straightforwardly, you are dulled, with bouts of spontaneous euphoria, everything seems to be useless and uninteresting, you just don't worry about anything, not to mention your deteriorated state of mind etc.

I believe neurochemical imbalances are involved in POIS and taking drugs causing more chemical imbalances is not a good way to follow.

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« Reply #13918 on: 07/07/2011 20:48:18 »
I took Fluoxetine (Prozac) for 1.5 year and it didn't cure my POIS but in the non POIS period, I was really efficient/positive/euphoric for everything and I succeed many things (and of course I was abstinent!)
I will say it helped me to stand up from the hell for a time and the damages with POIS, but as soon as I stopped it, I didn't abstrain anymore and collapsed in depression...
Now, I take Effexor but I have NO result. I guess I will retry Prozac which helped me.
You need to talk about it with a professional! We are all different towards AD... [:-\]

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« Reply #13919 on: 07/07/2011 20:52:45 »

Here is the post
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg360963#msg360963

So you would agree that this Dmitry finding 56 POIS sufferers through that blog sounds like total nonsense?



Thank you, horizon, I deleted the post.

I'm also considering banning his cat now. [;D]


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« Reply #13920 on: 07/07/2011 20:59:30 »
There is a phenomenon called poop-out, which has a lot to do with built-in tolerance. I think I had been doing quite well until I reached this phase, which was a few months after lowering my Venlafaxine dose from 300mg/day to 150mg. Then my psychiatrist started to change antidepressants (Sertraline/Bupropion/Moclobemidum - nothing really brightens up my condition) and I was having persistent constipation and noticing everything goes much worse, especially my memory/enthusiasm.

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« Reply #13921 on: 07/07/2011 21:04:39 »

I'm also considering banning his cat now. [;D]


Oh, NOOO [:o] , don't delete his cat !!! It might be the Cold War II  [;D]

"ps - Victor and all, please do not misconstrue what we post here as anything against Russians. By and large, they are a wonderful people! There is good and bad everywhere!
http://rt.com/news/identity-theft-internet-russia/"

ouuf, we avoided it ! Minus one  [:P]


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« Reply #13922 on: 07/07/2011 21:07:26 »
Greetings to Everyone!

I want to seriously COMMEND demografx for his refusal to allow posts containing potentially dangerous recommendations to remain on this forum.

Banning someone from a site takes courage and fortitude -- two attributes that your moderator on NSF obviously has in abundance! He's really an amazing person -- no question!

Open discussions about a drug or supplement that could potentially help the symptoms of this wretched condition are wise and may even be very helpful! There will likely be more discussions about the pros and cons of xanthinol nicotinate as a possible symptom-reliever for POIS.

Discussion is HEALTHY. But offers to send this chemical (or any drug, OTC or otherwise) through the mail -- especially from a complete stranger whose medical/scientific qualifications aren't documented -- are alarming and must ALWAYS be viewed as a red flag. Always.

Demo -- you really came through for your forum members. [:)]

(No, guys -- he did not pay me to write this and is probably utterly embarrassed by this post!)


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« Reply #13923 on: 07/07/2011 21:14:29 »

I'm also considering banning his cat now. [;D]


Oh, NOOO [:o] , don't delete his cat !!! It might be the Cold War II  [;D]


OK, then, maybe I will just shave all the cat's hair off and make a nice fur hat. We will need it if it's cold and we must visit him (the cat's owner/master) in prison in Siberia!!!!! [;D]


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« Reply #13924 on: 07/07/2011 21:16:47 »

Greetings to Everyone!

I want to seriously COMMEND demografx for his refusal to allow posts containing potentially dangerous recommendations to remain on this forum.

Banning someone from a site takes courage and fortitude -- two attributes that your moderator on NSF obviously has in abundance! He's really an amazing person -- no question!

Open discussions about a drug or supplement that could potentially help the symptoms of this wretched condition are wise and may even be very helpful! There will likely be more discussions about the pros and cons of xanthinol nicotinate as a possible symptom-reliever for POIS.

Discussion is HEALTHY. But offers to send this chemical (or any drug, OTC or otherwise) through the mail -- especially from a complete stranger whose medical/scientific qualifications aren't documented -- are alarming and must ALWAYS be viewed as a red flag. Always.

Demo -- you really came through for your forum members. [:)]

(No, guys -- he did not pay me to write this and is probably utterly embarrassed by this post!)




Wow, Stefanie, I am so touched! Thank you! This has been very difficult for me and everyone!



ps - your check is in the mail [;D]
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« Reply #13925 on: 07/07/2011 21:40:07 »



Did you test all 56 POIS sufferers on one day?


I thought it was done in one hour... [;D]


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« Reply #13926 on: 07/07/2011 23:46:15 »
Nice work Demo and everyone offering support and encouragement concerning the posts from "Demitri"! Thank you to Victor who sounds legit to me.

Today I saw a neurologist as part of my double vision workup. I had mentioned my post sexual problems to him in the past and I brought up the subject again. I told him about Waldinger's work and about the forums. I also told him that I found relief from consuming anti-inflammatory foods. I did not mention that I am taking fenugreek as I do not know if it is really helping me. His thoughts on POIS was that it sounds like a form of migraine. I explained the various forms of symptoms that we suffer from and he was not surprised. He told me to google "migraine generator" which is an area of the brainstem that is now thought to be responsible for migraines.  From this site http://www.emedmag.com/html/pre/cov/covers/081503.asp

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BIOLOGICAL MECHANISMS IN MIGRAINE

The migraine process begins in the nervous system. Thus, migraine is a neurologic condition rather than a vascular or muscular disorder, as has been proposed in the past. Migraine presumably begins when a biologically sensitive nervous system is confronted with an environment that can provoke migraine. In this environment, the neurochemical balance of the nervous system changes and symptoms recognized as premonitory or prodromal may occur. This change can progress until the migraine threshold is crossed and an area in the brainstem called the migraine generator is activated. This may initiate a wave of neuronal depression to move across the cortex and activate trigeminal afferents and the vascular structures they innervate.

My neurologist also suggested that it would be interesting to see how my brain reacts under functional MRI. He gave an impression that it might somehow even be possible to have it done, as he mentioned that an esteemed fMRI researcher would be doing some work locally. Believe me, if that happens I will keep you all posted!

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« Reply #13927 on: 08/07/2011 02:42:23 »
From how I see it XN might have some chance of success.  Maybe dmitry saw this and went on ahead to make a buisnesss for himself by exaggerating the story a bit and trying to sell his injections

Regardless of what happened, we shouldn't dismiss XN and niacin as potential cures for POIS SYMPTOMS.  It definitely won't heal POIS, but from reading about what niacin does, it can very well a great symptom reliever for when you do have to ejaculate.

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« Reply #13928 on: 08/07/2011 03:14:35 »
From how I see it XN might have some chance of success.  Maybe dmitry saw this and went on ahead to make a buisnesss for himself by exaggerating the story a bit and trying to sell his injections

Regardless of what happened, we shouldn't dismiss XN and niacin as potential cures for POIS SYMPTOMS.  It definitely won't heal POIS, but from reading about what niacin does, it can very well a great symptom reliever for when you do have to ejaculate.

By all means. We'll be having discussions here:
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=174.msg1762#new
How does Murphey do it??

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« Reply #13929 on: 08/07/2011 03:47:17 »
I took Fluoxetine (Prozac) for 1.5 year and it didn't cure my POIS but ....
I will say it helped me to stand up from the hell for a time and the damages with POIS, but as soon as I stopped it, I didn't abstrain anymore and collapsed in depression...

Habibou - I took Prozac for a short period of time.  Just like JRD said, it kinda makes everything go "eh".  And it did not help my POIS at all.  If abstaining from sexual activity is your main issue, I recommend Saw Palmetto tablets.  Those substantially help me reduce my urge to release.  There are probably other herbs/supplements/medications that people can recommend that do the same if Saw Palmetto doesn't work for you.
2-5 days, 80% cognitive, tongue-tied, brain fog, lose track of thoughts mid conversation, anxiety, dry eyes, irritable, fatigue.  Believer of both auto-immune AND regeneration theories.  My sessions are much shorter when I've gone 2 wks without.

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« Reply #13930 on: 08/07/2011 03:49:48 »

My neurologist also suggested that it would be interesting to see how my brain reacts under functional MRI. He gave an impression that it might somehow even be possible to have it done, as he mentioned that an esteemed fMRI researcher would be doing some work locally. Believe me, if that happens I will keep you all posted!


John, I think fMRI on POIS is a most exciting prospect for us!

I have been hoping to see this done for several years.


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« Reply #13931 on: 08/07/2011 03:52:13 »


From how I see it XN might have some chance of success.  Maybe dmitry saw this and went on ahead to make a buisnesss for himself by exaggerating the story a bit and trying to sell his injections

Regardless of what happened, we shouldn't dismiss XN and niacin as potential cures for POIS SYMPTOMS.  It definitely won't heal POIS, but from reading about what niacin does, it can very well a great symptom reliever for when you do have to ejaculate.



silverandcol, I agree with this 100%!

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« Reply #13932 on: 08/07/2011 04:04:56 »
My buddy tried a 5 Hour Energy once and had this allergic reaction where his face immediately flushed red and he got real hot for over 30 mins... basically he was allergic to the Niacin in it.  If you haven't had a 5-hour in the past, perhaps before taking an XN pill drink of one and make sure you're not allergic to it.
2-5 days, 80% cognitive, tongue-tied, brain fog, lose track of thoughts mid conversation, anxiety, dry eyes, irritable, fatigue.  Believer of both auto-immune AND regeneration theories.  My sessions are much shorter when I've gone 2 wks without.

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« Reply #13933 on: 08/07/2011 04:23:54 »


I called a friend doctor yesterday, who told me "XN is a double vasodilator, which can create some hypotension. Do not use it if you had a heart operation or if you have some heart disorders."


My pharmacology-attorney friend said the same, as I posted.

As some of you know, in 2010, I had emergency quintuple coronary bypass surgery AND I'm on BP and several other heart meds.

Didn't stop Dmitry from PM'ing ME, and saying, "C'mon, I'll send you some, inject it!"

Pathetic, dangerous idiot.

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« Reply #13934 on: 08/07/2011 04:50:30 »
An article entitled "Your Brain on Sex." Very understandable and thorough description of the neurochemistry of orgasm and mood. A Must Read!

http://www.reuniting.info/science/sex_in_the_brain [nofollow]

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« Reply #13935 on: 08/07/2011 04:56:42 »
Hi Guys,

I'm one of the guys at the Russian forum. I really pity about recent events on this forum and I would want to remove any confusion I would be able to.
1. Dmitriy had contacted me personally and I was told him that XN helps me. I had a post about XN here, but I didn't tried to promote it neither I do want to promote it now. It is injectable medicine, so please be careful. I don't know the motives of Dmitriy, but I don't believe that his target was to make money on it. The XN is very common and cheap drug in Russia and Ukraine where I live.
2. As far as I know XN helps me, Dmitriy and one another person, don't rmbr his name.
3. XN doesn't cure the disease it only cures the symptoms, and if make a grade of how well it cures the symptoms for me, I would grade it as 95% and I have to make the injection at the day I want to have O, before O.
4. I know nothing about XN in pills and what should be the doze to have the same effect.
5. I don't know why it helps me and how it helps, it was my doctor who tried to help me with POIS and who wanted to check if Niacin helps, but because of my problems with stomach reverted to XN as less damaging drug for the stomach.
6. There is no any tests that was taken by the people who find it helpful and that approve that the XN really helps.

So, again, XN is an injectable drug, so be careful, the number of people having POIS who tried it and who find this drug helpful is very limited.

Victor

Victor - I started to write out a message last night that said "Where is Victor.Kons!?! :)"  But I fell asleep before sending.  I have been reading your http://syndrom-x.blogspot.com/ and have found it VERY interesting.  For one, we never really contemplated that POIS could come from a blood clot in the brain.  I don't know much/anything about that, but it's a theory I don't think we've ever even considered.  How did you arrive at this hypothesis?  Do you still believe it?

Also, you say only you and 2 others (including Dimitry) have found success with "XN"?  How many have tried that you believe have POIS?  How many people with POIS do you know through your blog?

Lastly, I just wanted to say that we're thrilled to have you here and actively posting, Victor!  We know you're a good guy and we would like to learn as much from you as possible.  Please share your experiences without any reservations or fear of our reactions.  There's never been an honest person on POIS that we haven't liked! :)  We're a scientific community and we're all friends and we really are very open with each other!  Thanks again for contributing!
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« Reply #13936 on: 08/07/2011 05:18:01 »

My neurologist also suggested that it would be interesting to see how my brain reacts under functional MRI. He gave an impression that it might somehow even be possible to have it done, as he mentioned that an esteemed fMRI researcher would be doing some work locally. Believe me, if that happens I will keep you all posted!


John, I think fMRI on POIS is a most exciting prospect for us!

I have been hoping to see this done for several years.


I second Demo's enthusiasm.  That would be amazing if you could get that done!  John, would the fMRI tell resolutely whether you suffer from a migraine or not?  I did a quick forum search of "migraine" and it seems as if GoingCrazy, defsync, vandemolen3 and others have thought about this connection before.  Maybe there's something to it.   
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« Reply #13937 on: 08/07/2011 05:49:38 »
Hi Guys,

I'm one of the guys at the Russian forum. I really pity about recent events on this forum and I would want to remove any confusion I would be able to.
1. Dmitriy had contacted me personally and I was told him that XN helps me. I had a post about XN here, but I didn't tried to promote it neither I do want to promote it now. It is injectable medicine, so please be careful. I don't know the motives of Dmitriy, but I don't believe that his target was to make money on it. The XN is very common and cheap drug in Russia and Ukraine where I live.
2. As far as I know XN helps me, Dmitriy and one another person, don't rmbr his name.
3. XN doesn't cure the disease it only cures the symptoms, and if make a grade of how well it cures the symptoms for me, I would grade it as 95% and I have to make the injection at the day I want to have O, before O.
4. I know nothing about XN in pills and what should be the doze to have the same effect.
5. I don't know why it helps me and how it helps, it was my doctor who tried to help me with POIS and who wanted to check if Niacin helps, but because of my problems with stomach reverted to XN as less damaging drug for the stomach.
6. There is no any tests that was taken by the people who find it helpful and that approve that the XN really helps.

So, again, XN is an injectable drug, so be careful, the number of people having POIS who tried it and who find this drug helpful is very limited.

Victor

Victor - I started to write out a message last night that said "Where is Victor.Kons!?! :)"  But I fell asleep before sending.  I have been reading your http://syndrom-x.blogspot.com/ and have found it VERY interesting.  For one, we never really contemplated that POIS could come from a blood clot in the brain.  I don't know much/anything about that, but it's a theory I don't think we've ever even considered.  How did you arrive at this hypothesis?  Do you still believe it?

Hi Daniel,

This image with blood clot is only a nice imagine, nothing else. The post near the image talks about the observation that POIS symptoms comes with edema of face and when symptoms leave edema also leaves.

As about theories - yeah, there are plenty theories "explaining" the POIS. I personally find many such theories shitty and do not really believe in any at the moment.

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Also, you say only you and 2 others (including Dimitry) have found success with "XN"?  How many have tried that you believe have POIS?  How many people with POIS do you know through your blog?
I don't know how many people tried XN and didn't succeed, I think there is only 3 people that succeeded, but you know I should fire the post to our russian forum and ask.I know I think up to 10 people from the forum, but we are not contacting regulary, I'm currently the admin of the forum and I have the emails of the people, but I wouldn't disturb the people without a good reason, better to leave the post in the forum.
Funny enough, I just checked the stats of questionary on the forum and it is 56! people who think they have POIS, so now we know where Dmitri've stolen this number from.

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Lastly, I just wanted to say that we're thrilled to have you here and actively posting, Victor!  We know you're a good guy and we would like to learn as much from you as possible.  Please share your experiences without any reservations or fear of our reactions.  There's never been an honest person on POIS that we haven't liked! :)  We're a scientific community and we're all friends and we really are very open with each other!  Thanks again for contributing!
I will share anything you want, I just one of you and I'm interesting to get rid of the disease not just the symptoms.

Victor
« Last Edit: 08/07/2011 06:15:11 by victor.kons »

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« Reply #13938 on: 08/07/2011 07:20:10 »


I called a friend doctor yesterday, who told me "XN is a double vasodilator, which can create some hypotension. Do not use it if you had a heart operation or if you have some heart disorders."


My pharmacology-attorney friend said the same, as I posted.

As some of you know, in 2010, I had emergency quintuple coronary bypass surgery AND I'm on BP and several other heart meds.

Didn't stop Dmitry from PM'ing ME, and saying, "C'mon, I'll send you some, inject it!"

Pathetic, dangerous idiot.



I'm so glad you banned him immediately from the forum. He's a dangerous idiot indeed.

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« Reply #13939 on: 08/07/2011 12:42:17 »
"Functional magnetic resonance imaging or functional MRI (fMRI) is a type of specialized MRI scan used to measure the hemodynamic response (change in blood flow) related to neural activity in the brain or spinal cord of humans or other animals. It is one of the most recently developed forms of neuroimaging. Since the early 1990s, fMRI has come to dominate the brain mapping field due to its relatively low invasiveness, absence of radiation exposure, and relatively wide availability."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_magnetic_resonance_imaging

I got a brain MRI which was all normal... what the fMRI could show more?
The blood flow through the brain? Will you try it in or out of POIS?
 It could be a way to check the XN hypothesis with cerebral vessels constriction perhaps...

Thank you  [:)]

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« Reply #13940 on: 08/07/2011 12:46:24 »


I called a friend doctor yesterday, who told me "XN is a double vasodilator, which can create some hypotension. Do not use it if you had a heart operation or if you have some heart disorders."


My pharmacology-attorney friend said the same, as I posted.

As some of you know, in 2010, I had emergency quintuple coronary bypass surgery AND I'm on BP and several other heart meds.

Didn't stop Dmitry from PM'ing ME, and saying, "C'mon, I'll send you some, inject it!"

Pathetic, dangerous idiot.



I'm so glad you banned him immediately from the forum. He's a dangerous idiot indeed.

Ditto!

Writing experiences of medicines you are taking, prescribed or otherwise is one thing, other suferrers can learn, but with a view to dispence it to other vunerable people is another, especially with such complacency.

I've been VERY sick for the past few months, so haven't been posting much, but have been keeping on top of happenings on the forum.

My health is not being managed by my GP and subsequentely I am sufferring badly, once I manage to find a human out of doctors I normally visit, POIS is pretty much over for me, I've almost cured it, I'll do a write up on the other forum just incase it's against the rules on a site like this.

Take care all.

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« Reply #13941 on: 08/07/2011 12:57:01 »
From Green
" I am not very sure what the waiting list would be to see Dr. Waldinger, I know he must be an immensely busy man. Demo could you find out for me, if that's OK? "

I'm emailing him right now to ask -  demo

Thanks so much!
Any time, Green!

edit - I just sent him a 2nd request


And I sent a 3rd request.

No reply.

To the Forum: I think you should all be aware of this nonresponse from Dr Waldinger. Busy? Who knows.

I will let you all know if and when I do get a reply.





Thanks for the effort, don't worry about it, I'm sure he'll reply when he's able to, who knows, he might even be on vacation.

Green, he can see you at the end of July. I suggest sending an email and refer to "demografx' request for a medical appointment for me".

I sent an email out some time ago, he never replied back :(

I still would be happy to travel transcontinental miles to see the man himself, but he's almost become a ghost since the release of the papers, I know he's a man of immense weight in the medical field etc... but it's a shame we're not being kept in the loop, there are so many questions surrounding those released papers.

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« Reply #13942 on: 08/07/2011 14:22:30 »
....... POIS is pretty much over for me, I've almost cured it, I'll do a write up on the other forum just incase it's against the rules on a site like this.

Take care all.

Everyone- posting on NSF about what's helped you is ALWAYS welcome!!!  The Dimitry thing was only an issue because he was lying, he had an alterior motive trying to sell us stuff, and he promoted irresponsible behavior.  Unless you are trying to lie, cheat, or steal, PLEASE SPEAK FREELY!

And if you do 'accidentally' tell us to shoot up our butt cheeks with a formula from a guy in Russia,  Demo will happily delete your post before it does us any harm  [;D]
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« Reply #13943 on: 08/07/2011 14:29:02 »
Victor, can you apply to the other forum too? We have a thread specifically dedicated to XN where we would like to get into detail for the good of everyone.

http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php
How does Murphey do it??

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« Reply #13944 on: 08/07/2011 15:51:59 »

....... POIS is pretty much over for me, I've almost cured it, I'll do a write up on the other forum just incase it's against the rules on a site like this.

Take care all.



Everyone- posting on NSF about what's helped you is ALWAYS welcome!!!  The Dimitry thing was only an issue because he was lying, he had an alterior motive trying to sell us stuff, and he promoted irresponsible behavior.  Unless you are trying to lie, cheat, or steal, PLEASE SPEAK FREELY!

And if you do 'accidentally' tell us to shoot up our butt cheeks with a formula from a guy in Russia,  Demo will happily delete your post before it does us any harm  [;D]



Yes, Green, PLEASE post your exciting experiences at both forums. You are a very important, longstanding contributor to these forums!

And we all promise not to take a lethal overdose of opium - hourly - for POIS...as someone might have accidentally suggested! [;D] [;D] [;D]
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« Reply #13945 on: 08/07/2011 16:15:20 »

Guys, did I miss a post from Dmitry trying to sell us something? Last I read, Dmitry was simply advising what had worked for him, and it is a substance that can be purchased from numerous sources. I'm wondering why he seems shady given that I had not seen him try to profit from this advice.


You may have missed the posts and the PM's that I deleted. He was getting VERY aggressive about posting his email (spamming) and getting injectable XN samples into all your hands, after collecting some information from you. At least 4 people here were "ready to go", and I just hope to hell that they haven't done so!

You asked: Universally available injectable XN? Profit motive? Please see my reply above to silverandcol.

I was NOT about to wait for him to kill someone here with his destructive quackery!



Demo, Great Call. It is a Good thing we've got you here to screen out people like this.

At least this little episode has got us talking about XN......which according to Victor has worked for him and at least two others..(There's hope)

And in fact, this little episode has fired up the forum a little bit as well, i've gone AWOL for a day, and there's two pages full of POSTS! Fantastic.

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« Reply #13946 on: 08/07/2011 16:17:31 »
....... POIS is pretty much over for me, I've almost cured it, I'll do a write up on the other forum just incase it's against the rules on a site like this.

Take care all.

Everyone- posting on NSF about what's helped you is ALWAYS welcome!!!  The Dimitry thing was only an issue because he was lying, he had an alterior motive trying to sell us stuff, and he promoted irresponsible behavior.  Unless you are trying to lie, cheat, or steal, PLEASE SPEAK FREELY!

And if you do 'accidentally' tell us to shoot up our butt cheeks with a formula from a guy in Russia,  Demo will happily delete your post before it does us any harm  [;D]

HAHAHAHAHA ROFL :)

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« Reply #13947 on: 08/07/2011 17:05:22 »

GREEN, special thanks again to you for your writeup.

We are all very excited!!

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« Reply #13948 on: 08/07/2011 17:09:57 »
Victor, can you apply to the other forum too? We have a thread specifically dedicated to XN where we would like to get into detail for the good of everyone.

http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php

Already applied, waiting for admin's approval

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« Reply #13949 on: 08/07/2011 17:19:48 »
We have to stop going from one thing to another, and just dumping them if they don't work. We throw the baby away with the bath-water. When we could be learning from every failure. We just FAIL.

Don't we get tired of just failing?

I don't agree with these sentiments.  Yes, it's good to exercise some discipline when testing a new drug.  But, assuming the person has checked out the associated dangers and is acting responsibly, there is a HUGE amount of value in testing these drugs, even in a disorganised, uncontrolled manner.  I doubt any one drug will help all of us, but there may well be drugs which help many or most of us, and we can learn that through feedback on the forum.  The main thing I worry about is someone trying too little of a drug, or not taking it in the right way, and then dismissing it.  However, on the whole, that risk does not outweigh the benefits of cautious experimentation.  We just have to be especially wary when someone reports a 'negative' result.

I have spent the last 14 years trying various drugs, and seeing whether they have any effect on my POIS.  I assumed that maybe after another 30 years of experimenting, that I may find something that helps me manage my symptoms better.  When I found this forum, many years ago, I was really excited because then it seemed we could communicate our experiments to one another.  It was as if I suddenly had 300 lifetimes of experiments, instead of just one; in this light it seemed like maybe there would be a good treatment in only a few years.  This was partly my motivation to develop the questionnaire.  It was useful to see what everyone had already tried.

Finally, we are not 'just failing'.  People have tried things, like testosterone, fenugreek, etc., told others here about it, and they have also been treated.  Their lives have been saved.  So let us not dramatically undervalue the power of the experimentation that has taken place here, just to make a point.
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