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« Reply #14450 on: 28/08/2011 20:58:21 »

Guys, i have taken the 100mg Niacin pill 1 hour and a half ago. I haven't noticed anything. I have no flush  [>:(]

I did take it in a semi-empty stomach. I haven't had sex or masturbate because i want to try it with the flush.

Maybe tomorrow i will take 200mg in an empty stomach.

Why it didn't make a flush for me?

A) I have extremely low B3 levels.
B) Too low serotonin level, even after taken Niacin.
C) My tryptophan--> serotonin connection is screwed.
D) I just had bad luck  [>:(]

Who knows, i hope tomorrow with 200mg i have better luck!


Quasar, good luck! (But please be careful and get medical advice)

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« Reply #14451 on: 28/08/2011 21:04:48 »
Phrases like "little to no help" are purely opinion, and make unfounded implications of failure.

From the scientific point of view, there is the only solution involving psychopharmaceuticals or ECT, which, in fact, is nothing less than a further dumbing down your already dumbed brain, interpreted as a therapeutical effect......

Incorrect and you know it!

How does Murphey do it??

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« Reply #14452 on: 28/08/2011 21:10:47 »

Has anybody here tried to masturbate several times in a row (i.e. 4 - 10 times in a few hours) and watched its effects or better - tried to masturbate as many times as possible per day and keep continuing in the following days?


I would venture to say that this would KILL the large majority of us, or most probably land us in the ER.

Please refrain from this line of pursuit, it is not POIS. Perhaps "sexual exhaustion". But NOT POIS! Thank you.

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« Reply #14453 on: 28/08/2011 21:18:47 »
Demo, do you really think POIS could kill someone?

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« Reply #14454 on: 28/08/2011 21:23:23 »


I've found that Vinpocetine is sold by Solaray, so it should be easy to find a shop to try it. EDIT: It only includes 5mg of Vinpocetine. I think there are other brands that include more quantity.


I hate to be a wet blanket, but PLEASE: we MUST be careful promoting ANY medications here at the forum.

WebMD, for example, advises in opposition to making utilization of vinpocetine since it may boost the danger of bleeding.

Don't get me wrong, I am NOT discouraging the posting of potential treatments. Let's just be cautious and warn people of any downside risk. Victor, for example, has been quite diligent in posting warnings about XN.

Please keep in mind that the majority of our audience here are silent viewers. And some of them are quite desperate, and will simply try or take ANYTHING we suggest!

People look up to us posters as "the experts" about POIS. So......we have a responsibility to them since we are in fact in a leadership position.
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« Reply #14455 on: 28/08/2011 21:24:35 »


Demo, do you really think POIS could kill someone?


Well, judging from the 4 suicidal members who contacted me here, I would have to say yes.

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« Reply #14456 on: 28/08/2011 21:33:43 »

I've found that Vinpocetine is sold by Solaray, so it should be easy to find a shop to try it. EDIT: It only includes 5mg of Vinpocetine. I think there are other brands that include more quantity.


I hate to be a wet blanket, but PLEASE: we MUST be careful promoting ANY medications here at the forum.

WebMD, for example, advises in opposition to making utilization of vinpocetine since it may boost the danger of bleeding.

Sorry Demo, you're right, some medications are quite dangerous and we should always make a warning.

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« Reply #14457 on: 28/08/2011 21:36:49 »
Quasar, many thanks for your understanding!

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« Reply #14458 on: 28/08/2011 21:41:24 »
Incorrect and you know it!

No, I don't. I know many people with psychological/psychiatric problems, who have been taking various drugs and they are actually doing worse, fighting with side effects, new or worse problems, being emotionally numbed, just surviving. But to be objective, this is most likely a specific problem isolated in the sphere of psychiatry, not a medicine as a whole.

I am hinting at the fact, the psychiatry is the field, under which the typical profile of POIS sufferer's symptoms belongs best to.

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« Reply #14459 on: 28/08/2011 22:07:05 »

I am hinting at the fact, the psychiatry is the field, under which the typical profile of POIS sufferer's symptoms belongs best to.


We have fought too long and too hard AGAINST this nonsense classification of POIS.

I am now asking you - officially - to STOP.

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« Reply #14460 on: 28/08/2011 22:08:30 »
Incorrect and you know it!

No, I don't. I know many people with psychological/psychiatric problems, who have been taking various drugs and they are actually doing worse, fighting with side effects, new or worse problems, being emotionally numbed, just surviving. But to be objective, this is most likely a specific problem isolated in the sphere of psychiatry, not a medicine as a whole.

I am hinting at the fact, the psychiatry is the field, under which the typical profile of POIS sufferer's symptoms belongs best to.

I'm sure most of the medical world sees it this way. I'm also sure that 99% of people with POIS do not see it that way.  My symptoms were mainly cognitive, yet it was only when I was out of POIS that I ever wondered if I had a psychiatric illness, while in it there was no denying that it was a physical reaction with mental results. This belief has been proclaimed many times here, and confirms in my mind that some day we will discover the physical mechanism that produces POIS.

Sorry Demo, no progress on the fMRI. It was just mentioned to me in passing, and I guess it wasn't really that serious of an option. Perhaps I'm not the best person for this anyway as I am chaste.

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« Reply #14461 on: 28/08/2011 22:11:16 »
Incorrect and you know it!

No, I don't. I know many people with psychological/psychiatric problems, who have been taking various drugs and they are actually doing worse, fighting with side effects, new or worse problems, being emotionally numbed, just surviving. But to be objective, this is most likely a specific problem isolated in the sphere of psychiatry, not a medicine as a whole.

I am hinting at the fact, the psychiatry is the field, under which the typical profile of POIS sufferer's symptoms belongs best to.

JRD, stop mixing apples with oranges! Everyone here knows that psychopharmaceuticals only usually make POIS worse. Because it ISN'T a psychiatric problem.

I was refering to your implication that "From the scientific point of view, there is the only solution involving psychopharmaceuticals". This is not correct.

I have offered on at least two occasions that we enter into a more technical discusion of your theories, showing mechanisms and proofs that the root cause of POIS is indeed based on withdrawl and addiction. You have not even bothered to answer, and only respond some time later with these insinuations and misleading references.

As Demo says, until there is more proof that it is the cause of POIS and not some other affliction such as sexual exhaustion or CFS you must refrain from this line of pursuit. It is not POIS you refer to. This constitues an official warning. As I was writing this was already said.

I wish to indicate to the rest that it is NOT a matter of us not being open to discuss other possibilities. But as I said, such discussion as befits a science forum, at least by the most determined in this line, has not been accepted.



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How does Murphey do it??

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« Reply #14462 on: 28/08/2011 22:21:46 »
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I was refering to your implication that

Yes, that was meant with regard to that psychiatric examples, not POIS. Sorry, I have not replied to your former question yet, I simply lack my communicational abilities to express what I want now.

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« Reply #14463 on: 28/08/2011 22:22:15 »

Incorrect and you know it!


No, I don't. I know many people with psychological/psychiatric problems, who have been taking various drugs and they are actually doing worse, fighting with side effects, new or worse problems, being emotionally numbed, just surviving. But to be objective, this is most likely a specific problem isolated in the sphere of psychiatry, not a medicine as a whole.

I am hinting at the fact, the psychiatry is the field, under which the typical profile of POIS sufferer's symptoms belongs best to.


I'm sure most of the medical world sees it this way. I'm also sure that 99% of people with POIS do not see it that way.  My symptoms were mainly cognitive, yet it was only when I was out of POIS that I ever wondered if I had a psychiatric illness, while in it there was no denying that it was a physical reaction with mental results. This belief has been proclaimed many times here, and confirms in my mind that some day we will discover the physical mechanism that produces POIS.

Sorry Demo, no progress on the fMRI. It was just mentioned to me in passing, and I guess it wasn't really that serious of an option. Perhaps I'm not the best person for this anyway as I am chaste.


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« Reply #14464 on: 28/08/2011 22:35:00 »
The psychiatric MISclassification of POIS has been the single most harmful concept that we have all had to struggle with. Even Dr Waldinger's 2002 very early medical paper strongly disputed it.

As a Science Forum, I propose we move on from medical notions such as bloodletting, leeches, and the like.  [;D]

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« Reply #14465 on: 28/08/2011 23:23:32 »

Sorry. I was ironic... But I asked myself what kind of help we could get in a hospital? Intravenous fenugreek? :D



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« Reply #14466 on: 29/08/2011 07:14:02 »

I've found that Vinpocetine is sold by Solaray, so it should be easy to find a shop to try it. EDIT: It only includes 5mg of Vinpocetine. I think there are other brands that include more quantity.

I was on Vinpocetine dropper. Actually it was a mix of different vasolidation and general health supporting drugs. I did not have a relief from Vinpocetine in a dropper. One time, when I was in POIS doctor tried to inject one ampule of Vinpocetine into my vein, note that this was not recommended way to use it, it should have been used in a dropper only. When she did this I felt sudden and complete relief from a POIS instantly. This was only one time experience and it was actually very high dose of Vinpocetine. Thats why I believe this experience is DANGEROUS and DIFFICULT to reproduce. When using Vinpocetin the way it is recommended in the instruction I had no relief from the POIS.

Warning! Don't try any new medications on yourself without consulting with qualified medical personnel, it might make permanent harm to your health. Thank you.

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« Reply #14467 on: 29/08/2011 07:30:13 »

Are you kidding, if I have one "O" on each of two days in a row, I'm practically ready for the hospital.

If there's anyone here that can have several "O"s per day, I don't think it's POIS that they have.

I disagree with you here, Daveman. I am able to have multiple orgasms a day, but I am always in a constant state of POIS because of this....I suffer from almost every symptom that POIS sufferers have mentioned except for, perhaps, headaches.

Just because my sex drive is higher or the time between orgasm and when I'm able to ejaculate again is shorter than normal doesn't mean that my POIS symptoms are any less debilitating than yours.

If you believe that SE is a milder version of POIS then I have POIS. Not SE.

First, I can't believe you made a Chastity device for yourself VM.  You must have it rough.  And your symptoms after numerous O's sounds TERRIBLE.  By Daveman saying that if you can have multiple O's a day you must not have pois, I'm pretty sure what he was talking about is YOU.  You my friend cannot have multiple O's a day, practically speaking.  the outcome is awful. 

I can, however.  I mean, I can have 4-5 O's in a day.  The result will be me being too tired to physically stay awake... like I were drugged.  I'd awake many hours later but still want to sleep and sleep.  I'd have dark black rings under my eyes and I would have the mental capacity of a chimpanzee.  And I'd be super irritable and not want to be NEAR another human being.  About 24-48 hrs later my terrible state would revert back to my normal POIS state.

So i guess VM really agreed with you, but I'm the one to disagree with you.  Either that, or my "pois" is just sexual exhaustion???  I'd never really considered that.  Or maybe the main difference btwn us is that I fall into the brain fog camp, and you fall into the my body attacks me camp - and that accounts for the difference in our reactions to multiple Os. I dunno 

2-5 days, 80% cognitive, tongue-tied, brain fog, lose track of thoughts mid conversation, anxiety, dry eyes, irritable, fatigue.  Believer of both auto-immune AND regeneration theories.  My sessions are much shorter when I've gone 2 wks without.

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« Reply #14468 on: 29/08/2011 07:48:01 »
What do you guys think would happen if we take a sexual stamina booster like Libido Max? I mean the reviews I have read make the product look incredible, Very curious to see how it would be the day after orgasm. I Took the allergy medicine and i definitely feel alot of relief from the symptoms. Not 100 percent but alot better.

I also gave myself a Harriow for those of you who know what that is lol

And The pinhole glasses are next on the agenda!

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« Reply #14469 on: 29/08/2011 08:02:31 »
Has anybody here tried to masturbate several times in a row (i.e. 4 - 10 times in a few hours) and watched its effects or better - tried to masturbate as many times as possible per day and keep continuing in the following days?


Are you kidding, if I have one "O" on each of two days in a row, I'm practically ready for the hospital.

If there's anyone here that can have several "O"s per day, I don't think it's POIS that they have.

I just noticed this. You are basically the owner of the poiscenter.com and you are doubting other people just because you can't handle more than 2 O's??? That is a very dangerous stance because you are comparing yourself to other people.

I guess I need to remind you that people always suffer the same ailment differently. Just look at such a "simple" thing as a flu. Even with flu if you compare two infected you can find many differences in the symptoms.

And about that psychiatric thing.. how many people have had panic attacks with POIS? I bet ALOT.. we shouldn't rule out anything. But of course psychologist and psychiatrists won't help a single POIS patients especially with the pharmaceuticals that proved to be absolutely ineffective. But maybe there's more to this topic of brain functions - people reported some interesting phenomenons already. Also Remember when that russian guy came in and was proposing XN? One of the moderators here said it was "quackery". I admit he was very suspicious from start but then this approach turned out to be a good thing which seems to help everyone who tries it.

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« Reply #14470 on: 29/08/2011 09:25:18 »
Has anybody here tried to masturbate several times in a row (i.e. 4 - 10 times in a few hours) and watched its effects or better - tried to masturbate as many times as possible per day and keep continuing in the following days?


Are you kidding, if I have one "O" on each of two days in a row, I'm practically ready for the hospital.

If there's anyone here that can have several "O"s per day, I don't think it's POIS that they have.

I just noticed this. You are basically the owner of the poiscenter.com and you are doubting other people just because you can't handle more than 2 O's??? That is a very dangerous stance because you are comparing yourself to other people.

I guess I need to remind you that people always suffer the same ailment differently. Just look at such a "simple" thing as a flu. Even with flu if you compare two infected you can find many differences in the symptoms.

And about that psychiatric thing.. how many people have had panic attacks with POIS? I bet ALOT.. we shouldn't rule out anything. But of course psychologist and psychiatrists won't help a single POIS patients especially with the pharmaceuticals that proved to be absolutely ineffective. But maybe there's more to this topic of brain functions - people reported some interesting phenomenons already. Also Remember when that russian guy came in and was proposing XN? One of the moderators here said it was "quackery". I admit he was very suspicious from start but then this approach turned out to be a good thing which seems to help everyone who tries it.
Sometimes "quackery" people use non-quackery knowledge. It was me who have told this Russian guy to try XN. The XN solution was found by Olga Vasil'evna Bruslenko, who was my doctor for a while. And this guy succeeded. Long before this event I told at this forum about my experience with XN and no one bother to try it. So, what to do? Blame me that I didn't insist and begged others to try the drug. Or say this guy was right and everyone should do like him, e.g. lie everyone about research which didn't exist and show himself in a light of a person who brings you the knowledge?

Such way or another it turned out that this knowledge made itself the way to several people and helped them. But please let's stick to the truth, don't be mislead. Olga Bruslenko found this drug to help POIS symptomps. I told about this solution at russian and english forums. And Dmitriy used this information and behaved exactly like a quackery person.

But even with all this mess, if you are analyzing facts with caution, experiment with caution and try to ACTIVELY seek the solution for yourself you will get the good results.

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« Reply #14471 on: 29/08/2011 10:36:31 »
Has anybody here tried to masturbate several times in a row (i.e. 4 - 10 times in a few hours) and watched its effects or better - tried to masturbate as many times as possible per day and keep continuing in the following days?


Are you kidding, if I have one "O" on each of two days in a row, I'm practically ready for the hospital.

If there's anyone here that can have several "O"s per day, I don't think it's POIS that they have.

I just noticed this. You are basically the owner of the poiscenter.com and you are doubting other people just because you can't handle more than 2 O's??? That is a very dangerous stance because you are comparing yourself to other people.

I guess I need to remind you that people always suffer the same ailment differently. Just look at such a "simple" thing as a flu. Even with flu if you compare two infected you can find many differences in the symptoms.

And about that psychiatric thing.. how many people have had panic attacks with POIS? I bet ALOT.. we shouldn't rule out anything. But of course psychologist and psychiatrists won't help a single POIS patients especially with the pharmaceuticals that proved to be absolutely ineffective. But maybe there's more to this topic of brain functions - people reported some interesting phenomenons already. Also Remember when that russian guy came in and was proposing XN? One of the moderators here said it was "quackery". I admit he was very suspicious from start but then this approach turned out to be a good thing which seems to help everyone who tries it.
Sometimes "quackery" people use non-quackery knowledge. It was me who have told this Russian guy to try XN. The XN solution was found by Olga Vasil'evna Bruslenko, who was my doctor for a while. And this guy succeeded. Long before this event I told at this forum about my experience with XN and no one bother to try it. So, what to do? Blame me that I didn't insist and begged others to try the drug. Or say this guy was right and everyone should do like him, e.g. lie everyone about research which didn't exist and show himself in a light of a person who brings you the knowledge?

Such way or another it turned out that this knowledge made itself the way to several people and helped them. But please let's stick to the truth, don't be mislead. Olga Bruslenko found this drug to help POIS symptomps. I told about this solution at russian and english forums. And Dmitriy used this information and behaved exactly like a quackery person.

But even with all this mess, if you are analyzing facts with caution, experiment with caution and try to ACTIVELY seek the solution for yourself you will get the good results.

Victor

Victor: I'm missing the point of your post. The bottom line is that without the guy stirring up the conversation again the XN would not be "discovered" and tried by other users. If he was banned and his posts deleted right just after his first posts the XN/Niacin would be forgotten again.

My point to not to discard any idea that hasn't been really tried. God knows if there was an answer on this forum to POIS already and it was overlooked or discarded (maybe even silenced) because of the strong bias to the small number of theories here (which are still sadly just unproven theories).

If your doctor was just following what Waldinger put into the papers she would with a very big probability never ever tried the vasolidators with you.

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« Reply #14472 on: 29/08/2011 11:19:43 »
Good morning,

Today i've taken another 100mg Niacin. This time in an empty stomach. I did feel my ears flush, but my face didn't.

I didn't have time to have an O. because i have some work to do, and i cannot risk it yet.

But i can tell you the few things i noticed from taking 100mg:

1) I can feel it's good for my scalp. Usually, i have a tender scalp that is worse under Pois. But it seems Niacin helped a lot. It may improve scalp circulation.

2) I noticed a little change in my breathing. I am a little asthmatic. I don't know yet if Niacin helps, or makes worse asthma. It's feels like less asthma but less air volume capacity too. I don't know yet.

When i have some free time i'll try to take a little more Niacin and to have an O. to see if it helps with Pois.

Remember to be very cautious taking Niacin as it can be toxic at high doses!
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« Reply #14473 on: 29/08/2011 12:19:06 »
Has anybody here tried to masturbate several times in a row (i.e. 4 - 10 times in a few hours) and watched its effects or better - tried to masturbate as many times as possible per day and keep continuing in the following days?


Are you kidding, if I have one "O" on each of two days in a row, I'm practically ready for the hospital.

If there's anyone here that can have several "O"s per day, I don't think it's POIS that they have.

I just noticed this. You are basically the owner of the poiscenter.com and you are doubting other people just because you can't handle more than 2 O's??? That is a very dangerous stance because you are comparing yourself to other people.

I guess I need to remind you that people always suffer the same ailment differently. Just look at such a "simple" thing as a flu. Even with flu if you compare two infected you can find many differences in the symptoms.

And about that psychiatric thing.. how many people have had panic attacks with POIS? I bet ALOT.. we shouldn't rule out anything. But of course psychologist and psychiatrists won't help a single POIS patients especially with the pharmaceuticals that proved to be absolutely ineffective. But maybe there's more to this topic of brain functions - people reported some interesting phenomenons already. Also Remember when that russian guy came in and was proposing XN? One of the moderators here said it was "quackery". I admit he was very suspicious from start but then this approach turned out to be a good thing which seems to help everyone who tries it.
Sometimes "quackery" people use non-quackery knowledge. It was me who have told this Russian guy to try XN. The XN solution was found by Olga Vasil'evna Bruslenko, who was my doctor for a while. And this guy succeeded. Long before this event I told at this forum about my experience with XN and no one bother to try it. So, what to do? Blame me that I didn't insist and begged others to try the drug. Or say this guy was right and everyone should do like him, e.g. lie everyone about research which didn't exist and show himself in a light of a person who brings you the knowledge?

Such way or another it turned out that this knowledge made itself the way to several people and helped them. But please let's stick to the truth, don't be mislead. Olga Bruslenko found this drug to help POIS symptomps. I told about this solution at russian and english forums. And Dmitriy used this information and behaved exactly like a quackery person.

But even with all this mess, if you are analyzing facts with caution, experiment with caution and try to ACTIVELY seek the solution for yourself you will get the good results.

Victor

Victor: I'm missing the point of your post. The bottom line is that without the guy stirring up the conversation again the XN would not be "discovered" and tried by other users. If he was banned and his posts deleted right just after his first posts the XN/Niacin would be forgotten again.
Yes, it would have been forgotten for some time. But then it would showed up again after a while. Because nonetheless I continued to recommend this solution for people seeking for help, and Dmitry was one of these people. So, it would appear again and again at this forum such way or another. It would appear later, no questions, but it would appear, I'm sure.

My point to not to discard any idea that hasn't been really tried. God knows if there was an answer on this forum to POIS already and it was overlooked or discarded (maybe even silenced) because of the strong bias to the small number of theories here (which are still sadly just unproven theories).

If your doctor was just following what Waldinger put into the papers she would with a very big probability never ever tried the vasolidators with you.
My point is the same - we shouldn't discard non-mainstream theories and solutions, this is especially true for the experiments carried out by our members, the experiments with reproducible results are valueable source of information which can't be underestimated.

But at the same time we should clearly identify quackery and decouple it from the ideas that come with it. We should take the ideas but do not fall into trap of quackery at the same time, that is my another point.

Victor
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« Reply #14474 on: 29/08/2011 14:23:26 »
Has anybody here tried to masturbate several times in a row (i.e. 4 - 10 times in a few hours) and watched its effects or better - tried to masturbate as many times as possible per day and keep continuing in the following days?


Are you kidding, if I have one "O" on each of two days in a row, I'm practically ready for the hospital.

If there's anyone here that can have several "O"s per day, I don't think it's POIS that they have.

I just noticed this. You are basically the owner of the poiscenter.com and you are doubting other people just because you can't handle more than 2 O's??? That is a very dangerous stance because you are comparing yourself to other people.

I guess I need to remind you that people always suffer the same ailment differently. Just look at such a "simple" thing as a flu. Even with flu if you compare two infected you can find many differences in the symptoms.

And about that psychiatric thing.. how many people have had panic attacks with POIS? I bet ALOT.. we shouldn't rule out anything. But of course psychologist and psychiatrists won't help a single POIS patients especially with the pharmaceuticals that proved to be absolutely ineffective. But maybe there's more to this topic of brain functions - people reported some interesting phenomenons already. Also Remember when that russian guy came in and was proposing XN? One of the moderators here said it was "quackery". I admit he was very suspicious from start but then this approach turned out to be a good thing which seems to help everyone who tries it.

Makrofag,

OK you have a point, but I want to clarify!

I don't doubt anybody here on this forum. It's not a matter of whether someone believes they have POIS or not, it's a matter of interpretation of what POIS is. Perhaps JRD wasn't as delicate as he should have been in refering to POIS as a mystical condition, but we can't permit that after 4.5 yrs of hard work that POIS receeds to a position that "it doesn't exist, or is in our heads". We have to be careful that we don't treat POIS as though it were something else.

And that's the problem, it's a sensitive area that leaves open the possibility to enter with whatever theory (yet again) based on some fuzzy definition leading a whole herd of sufferes down yet again another false road.

As far as whether or not multiple "O"s in a day represent a POIS suffere or not, may not be entirely clear. The only existing poll right now on this matter in the other forum indicates surprisingly enough that the votes are dividied among: more than 2 "O"s per day and more than 2 wks per "O"!!!

The main difference between sexual exhaustion and POIS, is precisely that those with sexual exhaustion suffer because they deplete certain components in their system because it can't keep up. It is well possible that Niacin for exampe could work for both cases, POIS and SE because it bolsters the components that deplete or are depleted. But since we are running a POIS forum we have to try to work toward solving the problem of POIS with a methodology that is directed AT POIS and not something else. The cause of the depletion in either case is different.

However, a test to determine which is POIS and which is S/E would be to abstain for much larger periods. A sexual exhaustion sufferer could eventually normalize, in some cases after properly medically resetting the system.

A S/E sufferer may require a year or more to get his system back to normal. A POIS sufferer, without intervention will never get his system back to normal nor be able to reset it.

But the implication is that someone in POIS (or S/E) suffers from having multiple "O"s. My case, although it may seem exagerated, according to our (limited) numbers, is typical. And there are those that can have multiple orgasms, but as we saw here in the couple of responses to my post,they suffer. I'm sorry, but I don't agree that we should be asking our members to expose themselves in such a way just to try to make a point that wouldn't even demonstrate a reality in the end. We all know that multiple orgasms means PAIN.

What I've been trying to say for some time now, is that we've got to stop treating POIS in a willy nilly manner. Perhaps, if we are not clear over the differences between POIS and S/E, or CFS, it's because of this! A failure is not a failure, with all the data, a success is not a sucess without it! I don't care what anybody wants to believe, but we have to start acting in a responsible manner. Find support for you ideas.

The medical support for auto-immune is quite strong, yet many don't believe it. That's their option. Then find alternate support and present it.

The other forum is to be dedicated more towards more specific testing and development of the various methodologies. If you look back, with the whole introduction of XN with Victor, I immediately opened a thread over there to try to treat it in a more controlled fashion. Rather than shut it out. That thread lead to certain procedures that increased the effectivity and permitted the use of something more readily available. Niacin when properly used is as effective a XN. That has lead to another interesting lead shown in a new thread: http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=197.0 which shows why vitamin B3 (naicin) probably works so well for POIS.

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« Reply #14475 on: 29/08/2011 18:55:30 »
POIS symptoms are caused by a PHYSICAL reaction to orgasm or ejaculation.

Can we all agree on this? I feel if we can all agree on this single point then we can move out of this argument of whether it is a psychological or physical problem.



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« Reply #14476 on: 29/08/2011 19:06:25 »
POIS symptoms are caused by a PHYSICAL reaction to orgasm or ejaculation.

Can we all agree on this? I feel if we can all agree on this single point then we can move out of this argument of whether it is a psychological or physical problem.
Yes, I fully agree with this point.

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« Reply #14477 on: 29/08/2011 19:47:11 »
I want to ask a question here:
I would like to post it also in Romanian, if there is no problem.

Is there anyone from Romania on this forum or visiting this forum  and/or know anything about a doctor in Romania interested in POIS? I would realy like to know this. You can send me a PM or write directly here on this forum. I hadn't think to ask this directly here before.

In romanian:
Este cineva din cei ce citesc acest forum din Romania? Cunoasteti vre-un doctor care e interesat de cazuri de POIS sau aveti vre-o informatie folositoare?... as dori daca se poate sa imi timiteti un PM sau sa scrieti direct pe forum raspunsul.
Multumesc.

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« Reply #14478 on: 29/08/2011 20:29:37 »
POIS symptoms are caused by a PHYSICAL reaction to orgasm or ejaculation.

Can we all agree on this? I feel if we can all agree on this single point then we can move out of this argument of whether it is a psychological or physical problem.


It's been over 2 yrs now that the whole idea of psychological has been disproven. We have a real ailment that is NOT in our heads.

How does Murphey do it??

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« Reply #14479 on: 29/08/2011 21:46:49 »
POIS symptoms are caused by a PHYSICAL reaction to orgasm or ejaculation.

Can we all agree on this? I feel if we can all agree on this single point then we can move out of this argument of whether it is a psychological or physical problem.


It's been over 2 yrs now that the whole idea of psychological has been disproven. We have a real ailment that is NOT in our heads.



There is NO QUESTION that this is true.

Now let's please move on to productive areas.

Keep in mind that we do NOT have the luxury of following everyone's fanciful notion. Our time is precious and limited and we will follow the most likely productive payoff.

The vast majority of longterm POIS thought has clearly decided that the pursuit of psychological/psychiatric causes is not just dead wrong. It is HARMFUL. If you disagree, please look elsewhere, or start your own forum.

Sorry to come down hard, but too many POIS lives have been RUINED by this kind of medical ignorance. Daveman and I will not permit that here in any way shape or form.


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« Reply #14480 on: 29/08/2011 22:52:17 »
I want to ask a question here:
I would like to post it also in Romanian, if there is no problem.

Is there anyone from Romania on this forum or visiting this forum  and/or know anything about a doctor in Romania interested in POIS? I would realy like to know this. You can send me a PM or write directly here on this forum. I hadn't think to ask this directly here before.

In romanian:
Este cineva din cei ce citesc acest forum din Romania? Cunoasteti vre-un doctor care e interesat de cazuri de POIS sau aveti vre-o informatie folositoare?... as dori daca se poate sa imi timiteti un PM sau sa scrieti direct pe forum raspunsul.
Multumesc.



Dr. John Dean, the past president of ISSM (International Society for Sexual Medicine)  is currently Professor Invitat at the Victor Babes University of Medicine and Pharmacy, Timisoara, Romania.
Telefon: 0256/204400, 0256/204250
http://www.sexualmedicine.org/JohnDean.asp

Contact him and show the 2 papers by Dr Waldinger published in JSM (Journal of Sexual Medicine). JSM is affiliated with ISSM!!

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« Reply #14481 on: 30/08/2011 10:26:50 »
I want to ask a question here:
I would like to post it also in Romanian, if there is no problem.

Is there anyone from Romania on this forum or visiting this forum  and/or know anything about a doctor in Romania interested in POIS? I would realy like to know this. You can send me a PM or write directly here on this forum. I hadn't think to ask this directly here before.

In romanian:
Este cineva din cei ce citesc acest forum din Romania? Cunoasteti vre-un doctor care e interesat de cazuri de POIS sau aveti vre-o informatie folositoare?... as dori daca se poate sa imi timiteti un PM sau sa scrieti direct pe forum raspunsul.
Multumesc.



Dr. John Dean, the past president of ISSM (International Society for Sexual Medicine)  is currently Professor Invitat at the Victor Babes University of Medicine and Pharmacy, Timisoara, Romania.
Telefon: 0256/204400, 0256/204250
newbielink:http://www.sexualmedicine.org/JohnDean.asp [nonactive]

Contact him and show the 2 papers by Dr Waldinger published in JSM (Journal of Sexual Medicine). JSM is affiliated with ISSM!!



Thank you very much for the response.

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« Reply #14482 on: 30/08/2011 19:42:08 »
emi_b, Dr Dean is also an associate editor at JSM along with Dr Waldinger.

While Dr Dean  may not know much about POIS (most physicians sadly do not!), as past President of ISSM could recommend someone suitable in Romania.

Best wishes on finding POIS medical help in Romania, emi_b! [:)]


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« Reply #14483 on: 30/08/2011 19:48:34 »


NORD's accounting department advised us that $200 in donations for the POIS Research Fund was recently received!

Thank you, DONORS!! This is such uplifting news!!!

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« Reply #14484 on: 30/08/2011 20:55:32 »
Hi all,

There's been an unfounded push lately to stab at the credibility of POIS and the several lines ("TRT", auto-immune, XN as examples), that have been more widely credited.

This has caused a disturbance in the advance of the forum. We are open to discuss new issues, however when backup for a theory is requested by moderators, it should be sought and produced, or at the very least a discussion followed which leads to where and how such information can be found.

We need to  insist on quality material (as we always have) but this does not mean that new material cannot be taken on.

We cannot afford much in the way of conjecture and pure philosophical speculation.

Best wishes to everyone for a 100% elimination of POIS. SOON!!!

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« Reply #14485 on: 30/08/2011 21:05:50 »
emi_b, Dr Dean is also an associate editor at JSM along with Dr Waldinger.

While Dr Dean  may not know much about POIS (most physicians sadly do not!), as past President of ISSM could recommend someone suitable in Romania.

Best wishes on finding POIS medical help in Romania, emi_b! [:)]




Hi Demografx.

Thank you very much for your sugestion.
The link you gave to me (doctor's site) is very good. I've phoned at Victor Babes University, and the person that responded didn't knew anything about him, so I am thinking to contact him and ask him directly, as you said he could know to recommend me to go to a good doctor here in ROmania, or anything helpfull.

Thanky you,
Emi_B

This contact can help you locate Dr Dean:

Jason Roberts
Managing Editor, JSM
36 Old Mill Lane
Plymouth, MA 02360, USA
Fax: (+1) 508-242-1184
Phone: (+1) 617-417-6269
Email: jsm@issm.info


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« Reply #14486 on: 30/08/2011 23:58:23 »
I've taken ginkgo biloba pills three times recently and I've noticed mild improvement in concentration and mental energy the hours following taking the pills. Each time I was about ready to take a nap to fend off my mental exhaustion, but after taking the pills I was able to stay awake for the remaining hours and fall asleep with no trouble at my usual bed time. I feel it may have had a slight anxiety-reducing effect as well.

The first time I took a single 120mg pill around late noon and the only thing I noticed was that I didn't feel tired anymore. The second time I took three 120mg pills and 2 hrs later I easily noticed an improvement in my ability to focus as well as slightly reduced anxiety, however I also noticed a faint swelling feeling in my head as if I had a small headache although it was painless. The third time I took two pills and noticed the same effects, but with less of the odd swelling feeling. There were a few days in between each trial. Also I'm still taking fenugreek + garlic every morning.

Next I'll try a single pill again to see if I missed the other positive effects the first time. I'll report back to let you guys know if repeated trials yield the same results for me.
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« Reply #14487 on: 31/08/2011 00:11:09 »
I've taken ginkgo biloba pills three times recently and I've noticed mild improvement in concentration and mental energy each time. Each time I was about ready to take a nap to fend off my mental exhaustion, but after taking the pills I was able to stay awake for the remaining hours and fall asleep with no trouble at my usual bed time. I feel it may have had a slight anxiety-reducing effect as well.

The first time I took a single 120mg pill around late noon and the only thing I noticed was that I didn't feel tired anymore. The second time I took three 120mg pills and 2 hrs later I easily noticed an improvement in my ability to focus as well as slightly reduced anxiety, however I also noticed a faint swelling feeling in my head as if I had a small headache although it was painless. The third time I took two pills and noticed the same effects, but with less of the odd swelling feeling. There were a few days in between each trial. Also I'm still taking fenugreek + garlic every morning.

Next I'll try a single pill again to see if I missed the other positive effects the first time. I'll report back to let you guys know if repeated trials yield the same results for me.

I did take ginkgo for a time, but it did nothing to me.

What helped me a little was Ginseng. I bought a good quality brand, in liquid extract form, and it helped a little my energy levels, and was a little less fatigued post-orgasm. It was not a cure for POIS, but helped my fatigue.

At present i'm not taking it because it was an expensive brand, but if i could, i would take it every day.

If anyone wants to know the brand i was taking, i can tell you in a private message.
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« Reply #14488 on: 31/08/2011 00:28:08 »
Quasar, I think it'd be fine to post the brand right here at the forum seeing as there are most likely some silent readers who would be interested in knowing. But a pm would be fine as well. I'll probly get around to trying ginseng pretty soon.
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« Reply #14489 on: 31/08/2011 02:23:38 »
VM and Quasar, many thanks for the updates.

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« Reply #14490 on: 31/08/2011 04:14:17 »



NORD's accounting department advised us that $200 in donations for the POIS Research Fund was recently received!

Thank you, DONORS!! This is such uplifting news!!!



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« Reply #14491 on: 31/08/2011 11:42:36 »
Quasar, I think it'd be fine to post the brand right here at the forum seeing as there are most likely some silent readers who would be interested in knowing. But a pm would be fine as well. I'll probly get around to trying ginseng pretty soon.

Ok then, i used the ILHWA brand, but it has to be the "extract" form, because the "capsules" are not steamed, so their are only white ginseng. The extract is white ginseng too, but it's low-temp steamed, so it has, supposedly, the benefits from both white and red ginseng.

I used to dilute a small spoon of the extract with a hot cup of green tea.

But i suppose other brands are effective too, and not so expensive. You should look for high quality red korean ginseng extract. I don't know if other types, like American or Siberian ginsengs are as effective.

BTW, talking about roots, another root that helps me a little too is fresh Ginger. I buy it at the market or greengrocer. I take a raw slice and chew it for some minutes and then swallow it. Ginger is supposed to help with inflammation and testosterone support too.

But then again, note that these herbs help a little, but they don't cure Pois.
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« Reply #14492 on: 31/08/2011 14:55:39 »
I went to Dr Goldmeier for an appointment and the Intradermal test with my own semen and it turned Positive : I got a spot of 20 mm diameter and a thickness of 5 mm !  The area around was totally red. I got it from the immunologist and he said I was definitively positive to my own semen !

Even the skin ***** test was already positive and the intradermal was done with a dilution of 1/40 000
(here is the result in pictures, I do not know if we can see it well)
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« Reply #14493 on: 31/08/2011 16:26:12 »
THANK YOU, HABIBOU!

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« Reply #14494 on: 31/08/2011 19:28:53 »
Thanks a lot Habibou! Dr. Goldmeier is in the U.K., right? Has he had an appointment only for you, or is he having several appointments with Pois sufferers?

So, i undertand they made you a skin p.r.i.c.k test and an Intradermal test? Both positive? The Intradermal test is part of the treatment, or is it only for testing purposes? Are you going to be treated by him? If so, is his approach similar to Waldinger's?

BTW: The pictures are GREAT! It shows clearly that you have an allergy.
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« Reply #14495 on: 31/08/2011 20:58:28 »

Thanks a lot Habibou! Dr. Goldmeier is in the U.K., right? Has he had an appointment only for you, or is he having several appointments with Pois sufferers?


Dr Goldmeier, UK, is one of this forum's strongest allies.

We highly recommend him. You can email him.

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« Reply #14496 on: 31/08/2011 23:53:27 »
Thanks a lot Habibou! Dr. Goldmeier is in the U.K., right? Has he had an appointment only for you, or is he having several appointments with Pois sufferers?

So, i undertand they made you a skin p.r.i.c.k test and an Intradermal test? Both positive? The Intradermal test is part of the treatment, or is it only for testing purposes? Are you going to be treated by him? If so, is his approach similar to Waldinger's?

BTW: The pictures are GREAT! It shows clearly that you have an allergy.


Thank you Demo, Quasar and B_jim ! :)
Yes, dr Goldmeier is very understanding and i suggest you see him if you are nearby or from UK! He already has seen some pois patients and some from the forum too! It was very expensive for all the test and consultation, but at least it was a pleasure to finally see a doctor who leads the test instead of having to tell the doctor What to do...! I will have my blood test result and I could then tell you What options i will take to treat me ( desensitization would be the best long term one according to me...) I also benefited from the fact i was in London to buy Niacin 500mg with flush :P
To finish, the team told me i also get in addition to Pois the Chronical Tirness Syndrome due to too many Pois sessions in a row probably...( i kind of believed it already myself!) They think i should get cure quite easily of this CFS since i don't have hypersomnia!

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« Reply #14497 on: 01/09/2011 03:55:20 »
Sorry for not posting in a while, I try to keep POIS low-key, I just try not to think about it... :[

Has anybody mentally felt any benefits from the allergy test/skin *****, where they put semen inside their skin.  Desensitization?  I believe... Has anybody honestly felt any benefits from that?

And, I "O'd" 4 times yesterday, the first 3 one after the other.  Felt a sense of calmness, but as time progressed, it gradually morphed itself into a panic/anxiety thing which is what POIS is for me.  I don't get any physical affects.  Also I see flashing lights which indicates a migraine? 

POIS still lasts only about a duration of a day for me, which is good compared to two weeks 2 years ago.

I was reading in a prior post about someone alternating between a serious POIS state and a state of overconfidence.  I totally agree, there is rarely a middle ground where you get to know yourself.

I believe I posted a few months ago about Migranal I tested out for a migraine.  <--Pois symptoms, flashing lights.  I remember it doing its job, but I took it on day 2 which is when I am usually free of most symptoms.  I think I might try to get my hands on some of the prescribed migranal and see if their are real benefits.

Also, shouldn't masturbation be a sort of desensitization?  As your body gets used to it every time one reaches orgasm.  And the sperm is always in your body?  shouldn't that desensitize you?  Sorry I'm just a bit confused here.

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« Reply #14498 on: 01/09/2011 04:11:43 »
Also, I'd like to see a study of normal men injected with their own semen.  Because if we can approve that 100% of normal non-pois men do not flare up after having a skin ***** test, and over 90% of us do, that is some useful information and would definitely persuade me that an allergy to semen is what can be causing all of this havoc and instability.

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« Reply #14499 on: 01/09/2011 06:07:00 »
GoingCrazy, yes, we definitely need more research on non-POIS controls.