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And...sorry if I missed it: how did you test for your iodine deficiency? Do you think iodine could make a difference in POIS for men vs women?
Can you give your TSH value ? Mine is 2.95 (between limits : 0.250 to 5.000) but a friend thinks it's too high.
Quote from: B_Jim on 04/10/2008 09:40:23Can you give your TSH value ? Mine is 2.95 (between limits : 0.250 to 5.000) but a friend thinks it's too high. My TSH was .8 which is in ZRT Laboratories reference range (.5-3.0). It's my T3 that was clearly out of range at 2.0.(Their reference range is 2.5-6.5). According to Mercola, and others of like mind, your TSH of 2.95 could be too high.
Once again, i'm on Day3 today and my diet works. I feel tired only 24h or more after and not 3 or 4 days with huge improvement of symptoms (suppression of flulike state).
Quote from: girlwind on 04/10/2008 16:54:32Quote from: B_Jim on 04/10/2008 09:40:23Can you give your TSH value ? Mine is 2.95 (between limits : 0.250 to 5.000) but a friend thinks it's too high. My TSH was .8 which is in ZRT Laboratories reference range (.5-3.0). It's my T3 that was clearly out of range at 2.0.(Their reference range is 2.5-6.5). According to Mercola, and others of like mind, your TSH of 2.95 could be too high.What are the units? (I'd like to compare these numbers to my own, but need to know if the units are the same).My TSH was 1.110 uIU/mL (range: 0.465-4.680 uIU/mL) and Free T4 was 1.07 ng/dL (range:0.78-2.19 ng/dL)
For my lab i read : 2.95 mUI/l limits : 0.250 to 5.000. I don't have T3 and T4 values :/ Thanks Girlwind for interview. My friend said too that i need T3 and T4, TSH alone is not enough.
I will test new forms of magnesium too because i think magnesium is the first natural beta-blockers. Imre1 results with beta-blockers is very intersting.
Interesting thoughts, B_Jim.I have been trying Bisoprolol 5 mg/day for slightly over a month now. I am noticing definite improvement. Recovery time has gone from 12-40 hrs to4-5 hrs. This happened gradually -- I needed to take the medication for at least three weeks to notice much difference. (Assuming the difference has anything to do with Bisoprolol! This could be coincidental).Also note, I tried Zoloft, starting at the beginning of August, and ending mid September. It slightly decreased sexual urges, which was helpful, but I do not sense it had a profound effect on POIS.
I have high blood pressure myself.Could there be a link between high blood pressure and POIS?
Today I received an e-mail of an unknown person who wrote me that men are desperate and that one man even removed his testicles.
elevated prolactin secretion can suppress the secretion of FSH and GnRH, leading to hypogonadism, and sometimes causing erectile dysfunction in men.
I like romantic stuff
B_Jim and girlwind, forgive me but I'm getting a little lost in some of the depth of discussion.Can you both summarize - in simple form - what you now take for POIS alone? (e.g., iodine, protein [how do we get protein? health food supplement?] )Many thanks. I and perhaps others here would really appreciate this simplification! And I'm not disparaging the detail, I just get derailed easily in the discussion.
Also, has any one else tried to see if they have low iodine levels? I tried the tincture application to my skin. The brown color went away after about 20 or 22 hours. Not sure if that is a defintie sign of low iodine levels.
Demografx : Do you eat a lot of sugar ? Considering your ED, you need to talk this to your doctor and test your SHBG. Remember study i posted p44. Too much sugar is not good for SHBG.
Well, one might safely assume that ED and POIS are mutualy exclusive.
Quote from: imre1 on 05/10/2008 09:26:11Well, one might safely assume that ED and POIS are mutualy exclusive.Not exactly sure what you mean, but I have ED and POIS and Levitra "cures" about 75% of my POIS.
I might have the wrong idea about ED, but it seems to me if you can't have an erection you can't have an orgasm and without orgasm you can't have post-orgasmic symptoms.
The "test" of putting iodine on the skin to watch how fast it disappears is not an indicator of anything
Here is some interesting info on iodine, he claims the skin test is not valid. http://thyroid.about.com/library/derry/bl2a.htmQuoteThe "test" of putting iodine on the skin to watch how fast it disappears is not an indicator of anything
ok thanks for the link. It has now been 28 hours and I still seen brown/yellow color. Not sure what to believe. My plan is as follows: I am going to try Relora. If that does not work then I will try the Kelp Powder.Thanks girlwind
B_Jim I simply eat a lot of proteins during 24 hours after orgasm (and when i can the meal just before orgasm). No supplements.Meat, fish, vegetables, milk and cheese, almond/nuts/hazelnuts, eggs.Absolutely no sugar, candy, cake or soda. Few cereals (corn, rice but maybe oats is the best for low IG). I add some fats (coconut oil).
QuoteB_Jim I simply eat a lot of proteins during 24 hours after orgasm (and when i can the meal just before orgasm). No supplements.Meat, fish, vegetables, milk and cheese, almond/nuts/hazelnuts, eggs.Absolutely no sugar, candy, cake or soda. Few cereals (corn, rice but maybe oats is the best for low IG). I add some fats (coconut oil). That's very interesting B_Jim, your protein approach is what has been most effective helping me to recover from POIS too!Lamb kebab meat seems to be the thing that works best for me, not sure if the chilli sauce also contributes to the positive effect.There is no science behind it, but I feel like my body is trying desperately to regain the fluids that have been lost, and in the process it is stealing nutrients from my brain, leading to the POIS symptoms. By giving my body the building blocks for what it wants, the symptoms seem reduced.
ratio between carbohydrates and proteins is the main factor. If you take a lot of proteins and a lot of carbs, the anti-POIS effect doestn't work.
Quote from: hurray link=topic=6576.msg198780#msg198780 date=1223313329IMPORTANT QUESTION (open to all): Before or around the time you developed POIS symptoms, had you used [btetracycline[/b], minocycline, or any other antibiotics?I had not used any antibiotics. However now that I think about it, the really seemed to start when I started in college. Around that time I remember having to get some shots to be allowed in? I don't remember exactly what they were for but I remember feeling ill and feverish right after.I have used probiotics after stumbling on an infomercial describing the effects of a deficiency of necessary intstinal bacteria. Initially I ot on a very high dose and the results of that(I was also taking a lot of enzymes) was a dramatic reduction in symptoms. When I tapered to a maintenance dose the results were not as effective though.Antibiotics kill these bacteria and they need to be replacd after.Pois seems to be an immune system problem so maybe innoculations can cause our immune systems to malfunction producing an autoimmune reaction to the chemical changes in our own body during orgasm attacking our systems as if a foreign invasion was present. This is beyond my scope of knowledge so I am making only a general supposition on this. I don't know if there is any real connection?
tetracycline[/b], minocycline, or any other antibiotics?
Good luck and thanks for this post.I'm just a little disappointed that when someone manage to heal he leave without helping others (not in this particular forum).I remember i have tried a iodine supplement 2 years ago without effect. But maybe the supplmeent wasn't good enough (it was a multi-vitamin + minerals and iodine.
I'm just a little disappointed that when someone manage to heal [POIS] he leave without helping others.
I'm not like that, and will share what I learn that helps me, in the hopes that it will help someone else.I will also request that this ex-POIS forum member post his experiences of recovery in his own words. Hopefully he will do that.
girlwind aka THYROID WOMAN, I share much of your enthusiasm, but I think it's important to differentiate between what is good for "overall health and libido" and POIS. The two don't necessarily go hand in hand. Thanks, and please don't take this negatively.
Okay, okay Demografx--When I say "libido" I mean both healthy available sexual energy AND post-orgasmic recuperative abilities... Capish? Sometimes it just takes too much time to SPELL OUT ALL the details when you're in hurry to write-up a posting. Also, I think what is good for overall ENDOCRINE health will most likely be good for POIS. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it! 
RE: Counterpoints and antibiotics question.Funny you should mention that, I was on tetracycline (mysteclin) around the time I got POIS. Antibiotics also figured in phases where POIS disappeared for me. Clindamycin + Clarithromycin where the 2 drugs concerned.I was very interested in Dr.Matt's (pharma matt was more appropriate) post a couple of months back on the marshall protocol. I was waiting for him to explain exactly why he was so convinced as to the connection for this treatment which was originally developed for sarcoidosis but which is now starting to be used for other conditions that have TH1 immune dysfunction. My thoughts at the time were, nice theory but not exactly practical. Its hard enough to explain POIS to a doctor let alone ask for prescriptions for benicar, minocycline, ciprofloxacin, Bactrim, etc, plus also wear dark glasses all the time for up to 2 yrs to undertake the marshall protocol.