Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #15650 on: 22/02/2012 23:47:40 »
We just passed February 18, our

5th Year Anniversary

Of this POIS thread at Naked Science Forum.

"John21" was the very first one to post here.

Thank you, everyone!

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« Reply #15651 on: 23/02/2012 06:17:31 »
We just passed February 18, our

5th Year Anniversary

Of this POIS thread at Naked Science Forum.

"John21" was the very first one to post here.

 that is a long time.
Congratulations everyone, lets keep working.

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« Reply #15652 on: 23/02/2012 07:08:51 »
Morning orgasms used to work for me...they used to give me the needed spike in my system...but now it has stopped working for more than 2-3 days...after 2-3 days I again get the brain fog and lethargy...somebody please explain me why its happening...

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« Reply #15653 on: 23/02/2012 08:57:21 »
We just passed February 18, our

5th Year Anniversary

Of this POIS thread at Naked Science Forum.

"John21" was the very first one to post here.

Thanks to everybody who has put in so much effort over the years to help us beat this thing. I'm a relative newbie to the forum but it's a strong and sharing community in spite of our collective difficulties and worries. There's so much potential here to be tapped when we're all POIS free.

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« Reply #15654 on: 23/02/2012 13:05:53 »

Thanks to everybody who has put in so much effort over the years to help us beat this thing. I'm a relative newbie to the forum but it's a strong and sharing community in spite of our collective difficulties and worries. There's so much potential here to be tapped when we're all POIS free.

How right you are, kurtosis.
We have the world's POIS symptom experts here!
Now let's put all of this knowledge to work for us with a world renowned scientific institution like NORD.
For all of us, but especially the younger members... think about how much more earning potential you will enjoy over a lifetime if we can beat this malady.

Everyone! Please pledge or donate to OUR FUND with NORD today!!

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #15656 on: 23/02/2012 19:31:32 »

We just passed February 18, our

5th Year Anniversary
Of this POIS thread at Naked Science Forum.

"John21" was the very first one to post here.


Thanks to everybody who has put in so much effort over the years to help us beat this thing. I'm a relative newbie to the forum but it's a strong and sharing community in spite of our collective difficulties and worries. There's so much potential here to be tapped when we're all POIS free.


Thank you, kurtosis!

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« Reply #15657 on: 23/02/2012 20:03:27 »
Click here for Stefanie's ("nordnurse" at POIS forums) article on Rare Disease Day!

http://www.amylinbuildingblocks.com/index.php/2012/rare-disease-day-2012-a-time-to-reflect-on-how-far-weve-come/

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« Reply #15658 on: 24/02/2012 03:18:43 »
In the past weeks I've done two experiments with treatments discussed in the past on this forum.
One was with nutmeg(know that nutmeg can cause death if too much is eaten)
and one was with phosphatidylserine. Neither treatment proved to be optimal and
since I ceased my other treatments and since I wanted to find out exactly how long each dose would last
I unfortunately had to endure some of my past unpleasant POIS symptoms. But it was worth it as I
discovered that both of these treatments are able to relieve some of my symptoms in a way that will
be useful to me in the future.


I discovered that taking 1/2 a teaspoon of ground nutmeg in the morning protects me from much of my
physical POIS symptoms for 2-3 days even if I have more than one "o" per day, but the nutmeg leaves
me sort of cognitively sedated which makes complex thinking more difficult and it also seems to make me
less motivated to do anything requiring any thinking at all. In the future I'll try taking a smaller dose to see
if I can get the physical symptom reduction without the mental sedation. Of course keep in mind that
nutmeg is dangerous in higher doses such as those exceeding about 30 grams. Originally I was testing
nutmeg for any anxiolytic effect it may have and I ate 3 whole nutmegs which I guessed was around
20 to 25 grams and it just made me pretty nauseous for the afternoon into the night. Again,
remember that nutmeg can be fatal in higher doses:
http://nutmeghigh.com/?p=858

In my experiment with phosphatidylserine I used a single 500mg Source Naturals brand capsule taken at
night. I found that this supplement relieved more of my cognitive POIS than any other of my treatments
has and it enhanced my cognitive ability in such a way that I was able to think much more quickly and the
act of thinking itself ceased to become difficult and actually became enjoyable. I've taken maybe 10
capsules so far and have found that unfortunately they don't protect me from enough physical POIS to
replace my other treatments. The benefit they provide lasts for about 3 days with multiple "o"s per day.

I'm still in sort of a POIS haze right now as I've temporarily lost my sleep schedule and discipline to avoid
masturbation due to allowing full blown POIS to come back for a bit so I'll likely elaborate upon this post
in the coming days and weeks when I'm back on track.

I'll definitely be adding phosphatidylserine to my other current treatments and will report back on how
I feel with everything put together.
« Last Edit: 24/02/2012 03:46:23 by Vincent Marcus »
Taking fenugreek+tea/garlic, saw palmetto, huperzine, niacin, boswellia, and nutmeg.

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« Reply #15659 on: 24/02/2012 04:02:43 »

Thanks very much for the caveats about nutmeg, Vincent Marcus!


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« Reply #15660 on: 24/02/2012 23:17:07 »
demo,

What do you believe is the underlying pathology?  What theory are you leaning towards?  Just interested to know. Thanks.

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« Reply #15661 on: 25/02/2012 10:51:27 »
Re. Phosphatidyl Serine. In terms of efficacy on cognitive function, bovine would probably be the highest concentration but there are health risks associated with this. Fish like herring and mackerel contain high amounts of it. AFAIK there's some in Krill oil capsules too as its naturally occurring in KO and the astaxanthin prevents the oil from going rancid. I'm unsure about levels in triglyceride form fish oils.
But fish sourced PS seems to be just as good as bovine sourced. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20677367
Is anyone else trying Krill Oil as the smoothie+KO combination is really working for me?

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« Reply #15662 on: 25/02/2012 13:43:23 »
Niacin survey is ready. On the POIS site you will see a link to the new survey.

Use the same username and password to enter (if necesary, it may remember  you). If you haven't already taken the previous survey your data will not be cross-referencable to POIS usergroups.

Remember if you need a password, a link exists to have it sent to your EMail on record. You will need to use your NSF username to access your password.

Any other questions PM me here.

I have a fairly heavy contract which is using a lot of my time right now, so I will not be able to move as quickly on our advances.

I have begun however the cross-referencing software that will allow a more in depth filtering and viewing of the survey data.

We now have 30 members registered. It would be great to get another 20!!

Thanks for your participation
« Last Edit: 25/02/2012 13:46:09 by daveman »
How does Murphey do it??

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« Reply #15663 on: 25/02/2012 17:35:28 »
first and foremost, i would appreciate it if no one ever edits my posts or deletes them again. You feel you need to do what you must, at the same time censorship of the pain of this condition seems somewhat self-defeating.

With that, I recently almost lost my life in a car wreck. By about a foot. After drinking. I have to look at this as a second chance, tho a chance for what Im not sure.

My plans are to relocate to Hawaii where I am familiar with the cities and the wilderness, and see if I can find some sense of peace away from humanity.


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« Reply #15664 on: 25/02/2012 17:59:15 »
As required by Naked Science Forum, any posts that contain ad hominem attacks (e.g., expletives) directed toward fellow forum members will be edited and/or deleted, and the poster will be warned and/or banned with continued displays of ill will.

Thank you, everyone, for keeping this forum friendly.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #15665 on: 25/02/2012 18:56:26 »

demo,

What do you believe is the underlying pathology?  What theory are you leaning towards?  Just interested to know. Thanks.



Pharaoh, I really don't know any more than you do. All I can personally vouch for is my own experience. After 30+ years of POIS agony, I am now 90%+ POIS-free, primarily from testosterone replacement therapy (TRT).

Why? I haven't yet spoken to any medical professional, including Waldinger, who understands why.

This is why NORD research on POIS is so crucial!
« Last Edit: 25/02/2012 22:47:18 by demografx »

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« Reply #15666 on: 26/02/2012 00:03:35 »
We just passed February 18, our

5th Year Anniversary

Of this POIS thread at Naked Science Forum.

"John21" was the very first one to post here.

 that is a long time.
Congratulations everyone, lets keep working.

Thanks for that, CC!
« Last Edit: 26/02/2012 08:34:13 by demografx »

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« Reply #15667 on: 26/02/2012 01:59:22 »

demo,

What do you believe is the underlying pathology?  What theory are you leaning towards?  Just interested to know. Thanks.



Pharaoh, I really don't know any more than you do. All I can personally vouch for is my own experience. After 30+ years of POIS agony, I am now 90%+ POIS-free, primarily from testosterone replacement therapy (TRT).

Why? I haven't yet spoken to any medical professional, including Waldinger, who understands why.

This is why NORD research on POIS is so crucial!

Glad to know you're doing better.  I've been on testosterone therapy for half a year now, and quite frankly, it hasn't done much.  Aren't you also on a dextroamphetamine and amphetamine? 

I'm looking forward to my appointment at the headache center.  I'm worried this may be some type of transient ischemic attack (mini-stroke).  Could explain why Imitrex and Niacin have been effective.  We'll see.  Looking forward to NORD's findings as well.

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« Reply #15668 on: 26/02/2012 04:01:45 »
Since phosphatidylserine is found in meat and since taking it in capsule form helps me I now suspect that I may not be digesting meat properly. I'm going try betaine hcl for a bit next to aid digestion. I also get pretty bad bloating after eating most foods, which is another reason for me to try betaine hcl.
Taking fenugreek+tea/garlic, saw palmetto, huperzine, niacin, boswellia, and nutmeg.

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« Reply #15669 on: 26/02/2012 04:28:44 »
Daveman,  just letting you know that for question number 10 on the niacin survey there doesn't seem to be a "N/A" option.
Taking fenugreek+tea/garlic, saw palmetto, huperzine, niacin, boswellia, and nutmeg.

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« Reply #15670 on: 26/02/2012 08:05:33 »
demo,
What do you believe is the underlying [POIS] pathology?  What theory are you leaning towards?  Just interested to know. Thanks.

Pharaoh, I really don't know any more than you do. All I can personally vouch for is my own experience. After 30+ years of POIS agony, I am now 90%+ POIS-free, primarily from testosterone replacement therapy (TRT).
Why? I haven't yet spoken to any medical professional, including Waldinger, who understands why.
This is why NORD research on POIS is so crucial!

Glad to know you're doing better.  I've been on testosterone therapy for half a year now, and quite frankly, it hasn't done much.  Aren't you also on a dextroamphetamine and amphetamine? 

Your disappointment with TRT unfortunately proves we're all different. I am very lucky TRT works so well for me.

Yes, I'm also on Ritalin (previously Adderall), and moderate caffeine, which help. Occasional Levitra also helps. And forced napping/sleep helps.

I have experimented with higher-than-average TRT doses. It helps, but my urologist suggested to cut back after 2 years. When I did cut back the TRT, the good anti-POIS effects still held up well. Lucky again!

I'm looking forward to my appointment at the headache center.  I'm worried this may be some type of transient ischemic attack (mini-stroke).  Could explain why Imitrex and Niacin have been effective.  We'll see.  Looking forward to NORD's findings as well.


I assume you saw Dr Selwyn Dexter's paper on headache-featured POIS and his treatment? If not, I can email that to you. (It didn't work for me because I couldn't tolerate progesterone well.)

Best wishes at the headache center, Pharaoh!

« Last Edit: 26/02/2012 08:28:35 by demografx »

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« Reply #15671 on: 26/02/2012 13:47:59 »
Daveman,  just letting you know that for question number 10 on the niacin survey there doesn't seem to be a "N/A" option.

Being a text field you can just enter "N/A" there. No problem.

How does Murphey do it??

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« Reply #15672 on: 26/02/2012 21:19:27 »
One thing I find that helps is that soon afterwards,
lifting weights and caffeine reduces the fatigue and metal confusion significantly.
I would probably say about 60-70%. Otherwise, I am basically non functional.

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« Reply #15673 on: 26/02/2012 22:32:59 »

makaveli, welcome to the POIS thread of The Naked Science Forum!  We believe that 2012 is POIS' Breakthrough Year! We hope to launch serious POIS Medical Research! A great time to be here!




**(If you have any technical questions, please feel free to PM (private message) Daveman or me -- go towards the end of this welcome message (after the 5 available research articles are described) for instuctions on how to send PM. We'll be happy to explain!)***


If you haven't already done so, but would like to like to join the new forum,  send "daveman" a PM here at the Naked Science Forum -- "daveman".  He'll reply to you.


Here are some POIS resources which may be helpful to you:

Our new POIS chatroom (realtime chat). Invite or visit another member(s) there, ANY TIME. We can all get to know each other better:
Just click HERE first, and then look for "CHAT" button towards top of page, 6th button to your right!


Our new POIS Forum - architectural genius: "daveman" - for detailed subject-by-subject discussion!
http://www.POISCenter.com/forums/index.php
Our 4-year-old POIS thread here at Naked Science Forum will also always remain open for newcomers, for general unstructured discussion, and historical research of the 10,000+ postings here since 2007.

The Learning Channel's (TLC)  feature TV presentation on POIS, featuring our member here at this forum, "Animus". It was aired on May 22, 2011. Here is a link to the YouTube file for the POIS  TV documentary, "Desperate Measures":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sdaR18vw1s

Our POIS Information Website, built by "mat780", is here:
http://sites.google.com/site/POISwebsite/

The POIS Information Website is home to the famous POIS Forum Compendium, written by "Pyropeach", and contains theories already discussed here and treatments that have both worked and failed.

Please see "B_Jim"'s POIS Summary of All Cases, here as well as others on the Web. This includes remedies that we have tested, and results.
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg149009#msg149009

"Girlwind" has created an excellent POIS Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWBxAUC9k1g


Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome "POIS": Case report

Authors:
Abdalla M Attia*, Magda H Al-Ziny, Hossam A Yasien
*Corresponding author: Andrology Unit, Minoufiya University, Shibin El Kom, Eygpt

For more info, check out emi_b's  SMF POIS thread:
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=191.0;topicseen


Available Upon Request:

1. and 2. POIS Research Studies, 2011

These 2 papers reveal Dr. Waldinger's POIS autoimmune hypothesis and suggest one possible avenue of treatment.

3. First POIS Research Study, 2002

We have a copy of the first formal medical investigation on POIS by Prof. dr. Marcel D. Waldinger,MD,PhD, and Dr. Dave Schweitzer, MD.

   
4. Recent POIS Research Study, 2010

CASE REPORT
Postorgasm Illness Syndrome - A Spectrum of Illnesses
Jane Ashby, MRCP, and David Goldmeier, MRCP
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg316781#msg316781


5. British Medical Journal Case Report, 2010

Case study by Dr. Selwyn Dexter of a patient with a headache-featured POIS symptom treated with progesterone/norethisterone.
http://casereports.bmj.com/content/2010/bcr.10.2009.2359.short?rss=1


How to get any or all of the above 5 studies: send me or "daveman" a Private Message (PM) with your regular email address (use "AT" instead of "@" ) and we'll send you back the PDF(s).

To send a Private Message, click on "Messages" at the top of this page. At the Messages page, click on "New Message". From that point on, it works just like posting a message here, except that it only goes to the person(s) you designate.


New York Times article,

January 20, 2009
Mind
Sex and Depression: In the Brain, if Not the Mind
By RICHARD A. FRIEDMAN, M.D.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/health/views/20mind.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=friedman%20sexual%20January%2020&st=cse

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In addition to serving our own informational interests, the resources listed above can be useful for you to show our credibility to the medical world - which often shows little understanding and is sometimes skeptical of our condition: POIS has scientific underpinnings and POIS is not "just another psychological problem" related to sex - to be treated by the psychiatric/psychotherapeutic community. All of this information can greatly help you to fight the immediate reaction of some doctors: so just tell them, "IT'S NOT 'ALL IN OUR HEADS'! "

It can be very  helpful to you when dealing with medical professionals to point out the
POIS' official listing, as recognized by the
National Institutes for Health (NIH), Office of Rare Diseases Research
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And in Europe: Orphanet now lists POIS on their website! - Click here!

POIS also appears in credible medical sources such as the Journal of Sexual Medicine (Dr. Waldinger's study), British Medical Journal and wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postorgasmic_illness_syndrome

For over 4 years, our POIS forum has attracted over 200 POIS sufferers worldwide who have posted here, research on an additional 200 sufferers elsewhere on the internet, plus nearly 1,500,000 page visits. Not bad for a rare malady!



SEARCH THE FORUM WITH GOOGLE

We have an overwhelming amount of data: more than 4 years' worth of posts (over  10,000 posts!) from 200+ Forum members, and an additional 200 POIS sufferers found elsewhere on the Internet by Member B_Jim.

In the Google search box, type
whatever-it-is-you're-interested-in-finding-out[space]POIS[space]site:http://thenakedscientists.com/

for example, I tried
nocturnal emission POIS site:http://thenakedscientists.com/

and 740 results came up for "nocturnal emission" within the Forum.

be careful with spaces (you can use them before the word "site") and no-spaces (everything after the word "site")

Google even provides you results with the Message# for each result. But Message #'s do change, so be patient and look for the approximate Message#.

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« Reply #15674 on: 26/02/2012 22:38:11 »
Niacin survey is ready. On the POIS site you will see a link to the new survey.

Use the same username and password to enter (if necesary, it may remember  you). If you haven't already taken the previous survey your data will not be cross-referencable to POIS usergroups.

Remember if you need a password, a link exists to have it sent to your EMail on record. You will need to use your NSF username to access your password.

Any other questions PM me here.

I have a fairly heavy contract which is using a lot of my time right now, so I will not be able to move as quickly on our advances.

I have begun however the cross-referencing software that will allow a more in depth filtering and viewing of the survey data.

We now have 30 members registered. It would be great to get another 20!!

Thanks for your participation

Thanks Daveman

I've been experimenting with Niacin for a couple of months now. I lost my notbeook with detailed notes but i am able to draw some conclusions from doing this. I will fill in the survey when i'm not in POIS, otherwise it feels too complex to do!

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« Reply #15675 on: 27/02/2012 05:18:47 »
Hi All,

I watched a documentary last week which some of you may or may not have seen 'Fat Sick and Nearly Dead'. In it, the presenter Joe Cross has a rare auto immune disease, which he has consultated many different experts(Sound like anyone you know?). Anyway, both he and another guy in the film are both able to beat this disease, quite simply by flooding himself with Micro Nutrients (i.e. Juicing). A process he calls a 'Re-boot'.

Very inspiring film - Gonna go and get me a juicer. Thought I'd share this with you because I might even try this for POIS!!

To find out more check out...
http://www.fatsickandnearlydead.com/
http://www.jointhereboot.com

Cheers.

EDIT: I meant to say, 'he has consultated many different experts but no one could really help him - so he decided to take matters into his own hands (Sound like anyone you know?)'
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« Reply #15676 on: 27/02/2012 10:39:52 »
Hi All,

I watched a documentary last week which some of you may or may not have seen 'Fat Sick and Nearly Dead'. In it, the presenter Joe Cross has a rare auto immune disease, which he has consultated many different experts(Sound like anyone you know?). Anyway, both he and another guy in the film are both able to beat this disease, quite simply by flooding himself with Micro Nutrients (i.e. Juicing). A process he calls a 'Re-boot'.

Very inspiring film - Gonna go and get me a juicer. Thought I'd share this with you because I might even try this for POIS!!

To find out more check out...
http://www.fatsickandnearlydead.com/
http://www.jointhereboot.com

Cheers.

This makes so much sense. It's probable that micronutrients couldnt cure absolutely everything but many Western diets are so lacking in certain nutrients that flooding the body with those really good things would get the body working again.

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« Reply #15677 on: 27/02/2012 20:51:17 »
Hi All,

I watched a documentary last week which some of you may or may not have seen 'Fat Sick and Nearly Dead'. In it, the presenter Joe Cross has a rare auto immune disease, which he has consultated many different experts(Sound like anyone you know?). Anyway, both he and another guy in the film are both able to beat this disease, quite simply by flooding himself with Micro Nutrients (i.e. Juicing). A process he calls a 'Re-boot'.

Very inspiring film - Gonna go and get me a juicer. Thought I'd share this with you because I might even try this for POIS!!

To find out more check out...
http://www.fatsickandnearlydead.com/
http://www.jointhereboot.com

Cheers.

This makes so much sense. It's probable that micronutrients couldnt cure absolutely everything but many Western diets are so lacking in certain nutrients that flooding the body with those really good things would get the body working again.
Have a bit of algae with it too. Still working for me.

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« Reply #15678 on: 27/02/2012 23:13:40 »
Today is the first day I've experienced POIS in quite a while.  I'm just so fed up with it.  The longer you wait without having an orgasm, the more "angrier" you are, and if you do orgasm, the "angrier" you are.  It's like a double-edged sword.

I'm going to try one of the techniques that I tried a couple months ago.  That is doing handstands for long periods of time, say 10 handstands for 1 minute each.  I distinctly remember doing this and I literally felt the POIS pain exit my head.  I was totally clear in the head but the problem was that I think my chest received the pain.  It felt like my chest was going to explode.  Even though with all of that chest pain, I managed to sleep the best night of my life that I shared with POIS.  Totally clear headed.  If I manage to do this again, and the same thing happens, I really wouldn't know what to say.  It's like something leaving your head and going to your chest area?  Is it an air bubble?  Wtfudge? I'm literally thinking about stabbing my chest area where I feel the pain to kill the POIS... Or maybe I am just going crazy.  I will message later.

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« Reply #15679 on: 28/02/2012 04:02:23 »
GoingCrazy, go easy on yourself. We are getting closer to very seriously researching a POIS cure every day! We just need to keep funding NORD.
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« Reply #15680 on: 28/02/2012 06:35:22 »
I'm sorry demo I'm just temporarily losing it from POIS  O_o

Anyhow, I'm going to start myself on antihistamines, probably claratin 24hr.  I will post if there are any good affects to my pois.
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« Reply #15681 on: 28/02/2012 08:32:47 »
I understand! (Don't be "sorry").

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« Reply #15682 on: 29/02/2012 04:33:26 »
Today is the first day I've experienced POIS in quite a while.  I'm just so fed up with it.  The longer you wait without having an orgasm, the more "angrier" you are, and if you do orgasm, the "angrier" you are.  It's like a double-edged sword.

I'm going to try one of the techniques that I tried a couple months ago.  That is doing handstands for long periods of time, say 10 handstands for 1 minute each.  I distinctly remember doing this and I literally felt the POIS pain exit my head.  I was totally clear in the head but the problem was that I think my chest received the pain.  It felt like my chest was going to explode.  Even though with all of that chest pain, I managed to sleep the best night of my life that I shared with POIS.  Totally clear headed.  If I manage to do this again, and the same thing happens, I really wouldn't know what to say.  It's like something leaving your head and going to your chest area?  Is it an air bubble?  Wtfudge? I'm literally thinking about stabbing my chest area where I feel the pain to kill the POIS... Or maybe I am just going crazy.  I will message later.

GoingCrazy, I discussed your post with "nordnurse". We both agree: you should not be doing those hand stands if they cause chest pain!!!!!!

What's probably happening is that too much blood is being diverted from your extremities to your head and chest -- VERY, VERY DANGEROUS!!!!!

Please do NOT  do it!

We're afraid you're going to cause an aortic aneurysm by doing that -- or even a stroke. We are absolutely serious about this. Chest pain like you describe is not healthy, and could be deadly.

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« Reply #15683 on: 29/02/2012 06:31:19 »
I understand your concern demo.  Although I am 21 and am in pretty fit condition, I only intended to do it that day just to see if the same reaction could occur.  Handstands are actually a position of yoga used to reset the brains fight/flight response.  But I do agree about the indicated chest pain that I shouldn't do it in the future.  What really confused me was how the "POIS" pain went into my chest and completely out of my head, that's what I would like to know.  It's just very confusing. ?

I've since stopped doing it because I could not get the same reaction to occur... I've also found relief with claritin which actually causes me to sleep normally.  The theory of an autoimmune reaction is becoming less skeptic to me now.  The success with n-meg (antihistamine/anti-inflammatory).  I've read about histamine being released by mast cells when orgasm is complete.  This may cause the inflammation in my brain.  Claritins' helping me.  I will post later. 
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« Reply #15684 on: 29/02/2012 19:52:29 »
Daveman,  just letting you know that for question number 10 on the niacin survey there doesn't seem to be a "N/A" option.

Being a text field you can just enter "N/A" there. No problem.


No I'm pretty sure it's not a text field. It's one of the bubble-answer ones where you click the bubbles in the column under the number "6" except for question number 10 the "6" column is missing.
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« Reply #15685 on: 29/02/2012 20:03:19 »
GoingCrazy, you probably know this already but claritin works best if taken about an hour or 30 minutes before an orgasm.
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« Reply #15686 on: 29/02/2012 21:03:20 »
GoingCrazy, you probably know this already but claritin works best if taken about an hour or 30 minutes before an orgasm.

Like niacin and like fenugreek. The difference is spectacular. If you take them only after the O. you are going to have a short-term relief, but if you take them before, you are going to notice a big difference/ or no POIS!!.

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« Reply #15687 on: 01/03/2012 06:19:42 »
GoingCrazy, you probably know this already but claritin works best if taken about an hour or 30 minutes before an orgasm.

Like niacin and like fenugreek. The difference is spectacular. If you take them only after the O. you are going to have a short-term relief, but if you take them before, you are going to notice a big difference/ or no POIS!!.

I took it about a day after my O and noticed my symptoms clearing dramatically.  I haven't experienced taking it directly after "O".  Now I just took a claritin 12-hour before 2 O's and its been about half an hour and I still notice no symptoms and feel totally calm and relaxed which I haven't felt for years.  This is surprisingly working well for me.  I remember trying it out before, but I don't think it worked like this, maybe I was too skeptical about the autoimmune theory and just blew it off.  My sleep is also improving dramatically.  Thanks for the info. 

I'm leaning towards maybe an over-release of histamine for my POIS, I'm still not sure about being allergic to my own semen, though, the reaction I feel is right where you mentally feel the orgasm, no flu-like symptoms and/or physical symptoms.  It wouldn't make sense for sperm to be in the brain?  So definitely either an overrelease of histamine or my body viewing the "mental orgasm" as a threat and causing inflammation in that area(s) of my brain.  Unless someone could tell me why I would feel symptoms of being allergic to semen only in my brain.
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« Reply #15688 on: 01/03/2012 07:01:36 »
http://goldbaum.net/balance/Whats_Histamine.html

"My histamine level was very high but not dangerous. My body tried in vain to reduce this high level of histamine to a normal level, by releasing abnormally large quantities (spikes) of adrenaline into my blood stream. This created nervous energy and sometimes even panic attacks if the spikes were large enough. The body normally has a certain amount of adrenaline that increases and decreases slightly to balance your body's histamine level. In its attempt to reduce my histamine level, my body would essentially use up all my adrenaline (as shown by my blood test). This would leave me feeling anywhere from moderately tired to frighteningly exhausted. Its probably difficult to imagine being so drained of energy that it would actually scare you, but it happened to me frequently."

This could not be described better to relate to how my orgasms feel.  Like I said before in some previous posts about my orgasm and possibly others who relate, I stated that I would get these "spikes" of "good" feelings being released in my head during the worst time of POIS.  Wow!  These were definitely adrenaline spikes possibly trying to lower histamine levels post-orgasm.

I also read about high histamine levels and some of the tell tale signs.

http://www.restoreunity.org/natural_method_antihistamine.htm

I have, from the signs listed on that page:

-a very thin body (150 lbs at 6 feet in height, 149 lbs is considered the lowest range in a small male body frame).
-rapid metabolism, as goes with ^
-warm hands and feet
-A lot of perspiration, definitely, my friends always comment about that    :I
-high libido
-chronic insomnia
-I guess I wouldn't say chronic depression but chronic imbalance, I am always looking for that chemical to calm me down.

Strangely it also mentions niacin on this page.  And also vitamin C which I have begun supplementing with a few weeks ago.

Claritin seems to relieve all of the symptoms above.
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« Reply #15689 on: 01/03/2012 10:50:43 »
  Unless someone could tell me why I would feel symptoms of being allergic to semen only in my brain.

I bet that a lot of folks here would want to know the answer too.
I do not know if this could serve as an answer; but every time when i had an ejaculation in the past i used to feel a "weird feeling" on my head. I felt exactly the same feeling on my head at the moment they were injecting my own semen- dilluted concentration of course- on the skin p- test. That was my 100% confirmation that i am reacting against my semen -(probably when it contacts the blood barrier?).

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« Reply #15690 on: 02/03/2012 08:46:42 »
  Unless someone could tell me why I would feel symptoms of being allergic to semen only in my brain.

I bet that a lot of folks here would want to know the answer too.
I do not know if this could serve as an answer; but every time when i had an ejaculation in the past i used to feel a "weird feeling" on my head. I felt exactly the same feeling on my head at the moment they were injecting my own semen- dilluted concentration of course- on the skin p- test. That was my 100% confirmation that i am reacting against my semen -(probably when it contacts the blood barrier?).
Possibly because histamine is such a "swiss army knife" compound in the body.
Have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histamine
"[Histamine is]...involved in  local immune responses as well as regulating physiological function in the gut and acting as a neurotransmitter". I think this all comes down to the "flight/fight" response and evolutionary biology. I suspect that an allergic reaction post orgasm is the exact wrong time to have it as an orgasm involves so many chemical reactions in the brain, some of them controlled by histamine receptors which regulate neural transmitter release. So instead of a really pleasurable post-O bliss that I'm told other people get, we get this headache, fuzzy feeling and dread.

Of all the things you could have an allergic response to, seminal fluid is very unlikely but it doesn't seem to lead to infertility. So even something as seemingly ridiculous (and it does seem nuts) as a semen allergy could be passed on from generation to generation without it being properly diagnosed or cured. I don't believe we're the first people with POIS, just the first who have labelled it and are trying to analyse it in medical terms. 

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« Reply #15691 on: 02/03/2012 18:55:23 »
I'd like to report a MAJOR Breakthrough.

For the last 6 months I've had Constant POIS.  This basically means that my POIS was at 100% in days following sexual activity.  In all other days, days where most of ya'll would feel good, I would still have 50% POIS.  It never went away.

Well I have Finally found a TREATMENT for my Constant POIS.  That treatment is Testosterone Replacement Therapy.  A couple days after my O's, I now feel fantastic. 

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That's the big news.  Now I feel as if I need to add some disclaimers:

I tried both Testosterone in pill form and gel form.  The pill form tells your body to produce more T, the gel form introduces new T to your body and tells your body to produce no T.  I tried both forms and only had success with the Gel (same as the patch). 

Next,  Testosterone makes you horny.  Just plain and simple, if you take too much you WILL NOT be able to resist masturbating/sex.  If you are masturbating every other day, then the Testosterone will not appear to be working.  I tried Testosterone 3 months back (on Demo's advice), but I didn't think it worked because I was masturbating too frequently.  This time around, I carefully adjust my dose of Testosterone, so that if I feel too horny I fight the urges hard and take a smaller dose the next day.

Next, the Testosterone took 3 weeks to begin working.  My interpretation of this is that within a week, you can feel more T in your system.  But only after 3 weeks does the biofeedback cycle kick in, and your own body's T production stop.  I'm not sure this is the reason, but it's my best guess.

I have only been experimenting with T and feeling good on it for 1 week (4 wks taking it less 3 wks lead time).  So I don't yet know if this treatment will lose its efficacy within a few weeks /months.  Also, along those same lines, I don't yet know if the treatment will shorten my bad POIS period in the days following the O.  All I can say is that I had an O yesterday, and despite the T, my POIS is pretty bad today.

Also I thought that I'd mention that Niacin has never really worked well for me.  I'm interested to try it in conjunction with the T, but I haven't yet.

I want to thank Demo for urging me to try T.  If not for him I never would have found this amazing treatment.  I think there are a few other forum members that have also tried Testosterone and found relief. 

PS.  This isn't really related to this post, but I saw a top allergist 2 weeks ago, who performed a skinprick test on me, using a very fresh sample, and he concluded that I am not allergic.  Note: He didn't conclude that I don't have POIS, he just concluded that I don't have an allergy.  The only issue slightly confounding the results is that the doctor refused to give me an intradermal test.  #1 - I brought in my own sample so he said he couldn't inject me with something that wasn't sterile.  and #2 - he said there would be no reason an intradermal test, in this instance, would have different results than a skinprick.  I know some of you may disagree.  I'm undecided on that.  My girlfriend, a doctor, spent time researching this and whole-heartedly agrees with him. So who knows.     

So if you suffer from constant POIS, do yourself a favor and give it a try.  My Testosterone is not expensive, and also you don't necessarily have to go to an endocrinologist to get it.  My Primary prescribes is to me.   

Lastly, in order to know for sure if the TRT is helping me, or something else is, I've cut out my daily multivitamin, my vitamin D, vitamin C, my slit treatments, my 24-hr nsaid i was taking, the fenugreek, etc.  But there's always a small chance, given that I've only had a week of relief, that my new found good feeling is due to something entirely different than the T.  It's highly unlikely, but it's ofcourse a possibility.  If that's the case i will update the forum as soon as I know, or even suspect it to be the case.  For now though, I'm looking forward to reconnecting with friends, excelling at work, and enjoying life.  All the best everyone.  -Daniel. 
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« Reply #15692 on: 02/03/2012 21:57:28 »
B_Daniel, congratulations on your testosterone success, it's funny how you can tell someone is on the T just by reading there posts...

But you've confused me because at first you said "a couple of days after my O's, I now feel fantastic", and than down below you've stated, "I had an O yesterday... and despite the T my POIS is pretty bad today".  Are you saying that it doesn't work immediately after an "O" but in the days following?

Check this out.  It's about the relationship between testosterone and histamine.

http://ajplegacy.physiology.org/content/201/4/740.abstract

"Administration of testosterone propionate suppressed the output of free histamine... which showed the effect only after repeated administration of this hormone"

"When repeatedly treated with testosterone, female rats eliminated exogenous histamine more like males."


-  This could be why only the patches of T work for demo and you, it is a repeated administration.


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« Reply #15693 on: 02/03/2012 22:10:19 »
  Unless someone could tell me why I would feel symptoms of being allergic to semen only in my brain.

I bet that a lot of folks here would want to know the answer too.
I do not know if this could serve as an answer; but every time when i had an ejaculation in the past i used to feel a "weird feeling" on my head. I felt exactly the same feeling on my head at the moment they were injecting my own semen- dilluted concentration of course- on the skin p- test. That was my 100% confirmation that i am reacting against my semen -(probably when it contacts the blood barrier?).
Possibly because histamine is such a "swiss army knife" compound in the body.
Have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histamine
"[Histamine is]...involved in  local immune responses as well as regulating physiological function in the gut and acting as a neurotransmitter". I think this all comes down to the "flight/fight" response and evolutionary biology. I suspect that an allergic reaction post orgasm is the exact wrong time to have it as an orgasm involves so many chemical reactions in the brain, some of them controlled by histamine receptors which regulate neural transmitter release. So instead of a really pleasurable post-O bliss that I'm told other people get, we get this headache, fuzzy feeling and dread.

Of all the things you could have an allergic response to, seminal fluid is very unlikely but it doesn't seem to lead to infertility. So even something as seemingly ridiculous (and it does seem nuts) as a semen allergy could be passed on from generation to generation without it being properly diagnosed or cured. I don't believe we're the first people with POIS, just the first who have labelled it and are trying to analyse it in medical terms. 

Observercenter, you mean in your head right, I mean you're not getting like an itchy feeling on your head or something as subtle?  And I do hear you on the contact between the blood brain barrier, maybe some semen gets in somehow which leads to a reaction within the brain.

But I'm much more going towards the orgasm itself, as if something in the O that goes into my head, with the added release of extra histamine (possibly just even too much histamine itself), really triggers the inflammatory response within my brain, in essence causing POIS.




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« Reply #15694 on: 02/03/2012 22:15:56 »
And I forgot to update about my claritin usage.  I did manage to have 3 "O's" while going symptom free.  I took a claritin 12 hour about an hour before the "O's".  I will keep posting to make sure it is not some placebo affect or anything like that.

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« Reply #15695 on: 02/03/2012 22:50:25 »
you've confused me because at first you said "a couple of days after my O's, I now feel fantastic", and than down below you've stated, "I had an O yesterday... and despite the T my POIS is pretty bad today".  Are you saying that it doesn't work immediately after an "O" but in the days following?

Yes, GoingCrazy, that's correct.  Thanks.
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« Reply #15696 on: 03/03/2012 05:05:56 »
I'd like to report a MAJOR Breakthrough.

For the last 6 months I've had Constant POIS.  This basically means that my POIS was at 100% in days following sexual activity.  In all other days, days where most of ya'll would feel good, I would still have 50% POIS.  It never went away.

Well I have Finally found a TREATMENT for my Constant POIS.  That treatment is Testosterone Replacement Therapy.  A couple days after my O's, I now feel fantastic. 

--------------------------------------------------------------------
That's the big news.  Now I feel as if I need to add some disclaimers:

I tried both Testosterone in pill form and gel form.  The pill form tells your body to produce more T, the gel form introduces new T to your body and tells your body to produce no T.  I tried both forms and only had success with the Gel (same as the patch). 

Next,  Testosterone makes you horny.  Just plain and simple, if you take too much you WILL NOT be able to resist masturbating/sex.  If you are masturbating every other day, then the Testosterone will not appear to be working.  I tried Testosterone 3 months back (on Demo's advice), but I didn't think it worked because I was masturbating too frequently.  This time around, I carefully adjust my dose of Testosterone, so that if I feel too horny I fight the urges hard and take a smaller dose the next day.

Next, the Testosterone took 3 weeks to begin working.  My interpretation of this is that within a week, you can feel more T in your system.  But only after 3 weeks does the biofeedback cycle kick in, and your own body's T production stop.  I'm not sure this is the reason, but it's my best guess.

I have only been experimenting with T and feeling good on it for 1 week (4 wks taking it less 3 wks lead time).  So I don't yet know if this treatment will lose its efficacy within a few weeks /months.  Also, along those same lines, I don't yet know if the treatment will shorten my bad POIS period in the days following the O.  All I can say is that I had an O yesterday, and despite the T, my POIS is pretty bad today.

Also I thought that I'd mention that Niacin has never really worked well for me.  I'm interested to try it in conjunction with the T, but I haven't yet.

I want to thank Demo for urging me to try T.  If not for him I never would have found this amazing treatment.  I think there are a few other forum members that have also tried Testosterone and found relief. 

PS.  This isn't really related to this post, but I saw a top allergist 2 weeks ago, who performed a skinprick test on me, using a very fresh sample, and he concluded that I am not allergic.  Note: He didn't conclude that I don't have POIS, he just concluded that I don't have an allergy.  The only issue slightly confounding the results is that the doctor refused to give me an intradermal test.  #1 - I brought in my own sample so he said he couldn't inject me with something that wasn't sterile.  and #2 - he said there would be no reason an intradermal test, in this instance, would have different results than a skinprick.  I know some of you may disagree.  I'm undecided on that.  My girlfriend, a doctor, spent time researching this and whole-heartedly agrees with him. So who knows.     

So if you suffer from constant POIS, do yourself a favor and give it a try.  My Testosterone is not expensive, and also you don't necessarily have to go to an endocrinologist to get it.  My Primary prescribes is to me.   

Lastly, in order to know for sure if the TRT is helping me, or something else is, I've cut out my daily multivitamin, my vitamin D, vitamin C, my slit treatments, my 24-hr nsaid i was taking, the fenugreek, etc.  But there's always a small chance, given that I've only had a week of relief, that my new found good feeling is due to something entirely different than the T.  It's highly unlikely, but it's ofcourse a possibility.  If that's the case i will update the forum as soon as I know, or even suspect it to be the case.  For now though, I'm looking forward to reconnecting with friends, excelling at work, and enjoying life.  All the best everyone.  -Daniel. 



B_Daniel, thanks for the ASTOUNDING news!!!

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« Reply #15697 on: 03/03/2012 20:13:53 »
Hi guys, hopefully you all can take the niacin survey. There are three so far. And not only those of you who have had success. I hope to be able to see if there are any clear indications cross-referencing results with the first survey to see if successes and failures have anything to do with tendencies in general POIS characteristics.

How does Murphey do it??

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« Reply #15698 on: 04/03/2012 02:33:14 »
B_Daniel - It's really good to read of another person on here who is over the moon with success from a treatment/therapy.
I have a couple of questions for you.
A. You said 'Testosterone in pill form - tells your body to produce more T'. I think you are mistaken here. Adding in external T does not stimulate your gonads to produce more. What were you on here...Andriol?
B. What mg dosage are you taking currently in gel form per week?

I've been on T a number of years, and I think my receptors are not as sensitive to it as they once were. I don't get as horny as I used to (in fact I am having trouble now), or the appetite or the energy + strength boost and I have upped the dosage. I'm on 2 Primoteston shots a month (500mg) and I am still below the average in pathology tests. I mentioned here before in a post how the time I felt wonderful and my tests showed high T levels at that time...however strangely it was not due to T but another drug.
C. What levels are showing on your path tests..are you in the middle or in the top 1/3 for your age group?
It does help me, without a doubt, but alas I can't rave about it like you + demo can unfortunately (so there are other issues going on for me).


I see there are a few posts lately talking about histamine. I can't remember ever getting an abnormal reading for this on any on my past path tests. what I did score high on though was homocysteine and Immunoglobulin G (elevated levels are associated with allergy and I was in top 0.2% of population). Anti-histamines like Zantec have helped me a bit with brain fog.

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« Reply #15699 on: 04/03/2012 10:57:14 »
  Unless someone could tell me why I would feel symptoms of being allergic to semen only in my brain.

I bet that a lot of folks here would want to know the answer too.
I do not know if this could serve as an answer; but every time when i had an ejaculation in the past i used to feel a "weird feeling" on my head. I felt exactly the same feeling on my head at the moment they were injecting my own semen- dilluted concentration of course- on the skin p- test. That was my 100% confirmation that i am reacting against my semen -(probably when it contacts the blood barrier?).
Possibly because histamine is such a "swiss army knife" compound in the body.
Have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histamine
"[Histamine is]...involved in  local immune responses as well as regulating physiological function in the gut and acting as a neurotransmitter". I think this all comes down to the "flight/fight" response and evolutionary biology. I suspect that an allergic reaction post orgasm is the exact wrong time to have it as an orgasm involves so many chemical reactions in the brain, some of them controlled by histamine receptors which regulate neural transmitter release. So instead of a really pleasurable post-O bliss that I'm told other people get, we get this headache, fuzzy feeling and dread.

Of all the things you could have an allergic response to, seminal fluid is very unlikely but it doesn't seem to lead to infertility. So even something as seemingly ridiculous (and it does seem nuts) as a semen allergy could be passed on from generation to generation without it being properly diagnosed or cured. I don't believe we're the first people with POIS, just the first who have labelled it and are trying to analyse it in medical terms. 

There's also a strong relation between histamines, niacin and neurotransmitters like dopamine and serotonin. These last two of course act over the brain.

The fabrication of histamines consume materials that dopamine and serotonin also require. Since a heavy load is demanded (for some reason heavier in POIS cases, maybe autoimmune reasons maybe not) the "building materials" become depleted and we remain short of dopamine etc until we can finally recuperate them. (5 or so days later).
How does Murphey do it??