[fidalgo]

Nightingale and Kurtosis, could you please explain in details the threatment are you doing? I don't understand well.

It would help if you make a post with the things you are using, the quantity, how many times a day, and the lab you bought.

Thanks

[Nightingale]

Nightingale and Kurtosis, could you please explain in details the threatment are you doing? I don't understand well.

It would help if you make a post with the things you are using, the quantity, how many times a day, and the lab you bought.

Thanks

First, thanks for the info kurtosis.  Fidalgo, I have posted in detail everything you are asking for on the other POIS forums.  You should register there, because from what I understand we can't talk about specific retailers/brands because of NSF forum policies.

You should register there anyways, because finding information like this is much easier there.  I will send you a private message with the link (we can't advertise our own forums on here also because of NSF rules)

[kurtosis]

Nightingale and Kurtosis, could you please explain in details the threatment are you doing? I don't understand well.

It would help if you make a post with the things you are using, the quantity, how many times a day, and the lab you bought.

Thanks

First, thanks for the info kurtosis.  Fidalgo, I have posted in detail everything you are asking for on the other POIS forums.  You should register there, because from what I understand we can't talk about specific retailers/brands because of NSF forum policies.

You should register there anyways, because finding information like this is much easier there.  I will send you a private message with the link (we can't advertise our own forums on here also because of NSF rules)

Yes, that's my understanding of the rules too. Must call over to the "other forum" and take a look at what's being discussed. Thanks Nightingale.

[Itsthatskater]

I took ZMA with no luck whatsoever.

[jferr]

Guys,

In my few years on these forums I have never actually spoken with someone, only written. I think we could help each other  a lot more if we stated having phone sessions. You can only be so detailed on the computer. I know some of us have difficulty speaking on the phone but it's ok because so do I.

If anyone with severe cognitive symptoms would like to speak on the phone I would be very interested. A vitamin regimen that I was taking a few months back helped me with this but recently I have gotten worse again. Anyone who has almost a schizophrenic-type of issue with communication please PM me. Examples are having trouble understanding, speaking, alertness, neurological issues, etc.

I look forward to hearing from everyone.

Thanks,

Jon.

[alphaq]

Just like to make a few points on this.
1) Wellbutrin will increase your dopamine levels. That makes it a very different treatment to the SSRI anti-depressants most of us have been prescribed for POIS. It's also very different to ritalin and will have very different long term side effects from its use. Even if someone told me ritalin would cure POIS I'd be very worried about taking it long term.

In all the technical details I posted about prostaglandins etc. it appears plausible that dopamine and other catecholamines are out of balance and wellbutrin would help fix that. If anybody has been sent to a psychiatrist to treat their POIS then they could do a lot worse than asking them if they could try wellbutrin.

2) Anyone who has a severe neurochemical balance problem (which an O might be triggering in POIS) could suffer a really bad reaction the first time they take a treatment that may work very well in the long run. One of the big problems is that the number of receptors for neurotransmitters in the brain reduces when there's too little of the neurotransmitter in the brain. The brain strives for efficiency and tries to do more with less but it can't work miracles so the sufferer feels flat, depressed, slow-thinking etc. The treatment increases the levels of neurotransmitters which floods your brain initially. Psychiatrists do their best to vary doses to find the right level but it's not exact and everyone is different.

This is a known problem with some other anti-depressants where someone can experience severe mood swings and may feel physically sick in the first few days. It's not a reason to stop taking it and you should consult the psychiatrist who prescribed it immediately.

I don't think anybody could write off the benefit of wellbutrin to them without trying it first _under medical supervision_

Hi Kurtosis,

Just curious - what were your symptoms of POIS? Was it mostly cognitive, and did you happen to have any pressure in the head like a lot of us do?

Thanks

[Itsthatskater]

This damn POIS is going to make me do something im going to regret.

[kurtosis]

Just like to make a few points on this.
1) Wellbutrin will increase your dopamine levels. That makes it a very different treatment to the SSRI anti-depressants most of us have been prescribed for POIS. It's also very different to ritalin and will have very different long term side effects from its use. Even if someone told me ritalin would cure POIS I'd be very worried about taking it long term.

In all the technical details I posted about prostaglandins etc. it appears plausible that dopamine and other catecholamines are out of balance and wellbutrin would help fix that. If anybody has been sent to a psychiatrist to treat their POIS then they could do a lot worse than asking them if they could try wellbutrin.

2) Anyone who has a severe neurochemical balance problem (which an O might be triggering in POIS) could suffer a really bad reaction the first time they take a treatment that may work very well in the long run. One of the big problems is that the number of receptors for neurotransmitters in the brain reduces when there's too little of the neurotransmitter in the brain. The brain strives for efficiency and tries to do more with less but it can't work miracles so the sufferer feels flat, depressed, slow-thinking etc. The treatment increases the levels of neurotransmitters which floods your brain initially. Psychiatrists do their best to vary doses to find the right level but it's not exact and everyone is different.

This is a known problem with some other anti-depressants where someone can experience severe mood swings and may feel physically sick in the first few days. It's not a reason to stop taking it and you should consult the psychiatrist who prescribed it immediately.

I don't think anybody could write off the benefit of wellbutrin to them without trying it first _under medical supervision_

Hi Kurtosis,

Just curious - what were your symptoms of POIS? Was it mostly cognitive, and did you happen to have any pressure in the head like a lot of us do?

Thanks

Hi,
Some pressure in the head but I also have sinusitis so that's just something I live with. The primary symptoms are a feeling of nausea, intense weakness and confusion, as if all my thoughts are shut off, within a few minutes of an O.
These appear to be greatly diminished. The other symptom was holes in my memory after an O. Stuff I'd learned around the time of the O seemed wiped out. So I had the head pain but the symptoms were mainly cognitive.
I still feel a little odd when I have an O but it's so much less than it was before and I don't have the feeling my thoughts are shut off. O's feel pleasurable now, not that I'm having lots of them but previously I was down to one every 10 days whereas I'm having 3 times as many now without worrying about it.

There are no memory holes, meaning I wake up the next day and have good recall for what I learned and did the previous day (just like it used to be).
Both ginkgo and fenugreek are vasodilators so I'm guessing this is important in reducing some of the trauma of POIS. I've experienced some benefits with vinpocetine in the past which is another vasodilator. Ginkgo has neurological effects that fenugreek doesn't, as does huperzine.

I'm feeling a lot more alert. I also felt the sinusitis was improving but I got a cold last Friday (everyone in my office has one) so I'll need to get back to you on that

[observercenter]

Hi guys!

I just want to say that we are going to push for a reddit-like campaign on Indiegogo, to ask for more funds for our research.

I am tired of reading quotes from isolation, despair, misunderstanding, the double or triple (or more) effort we have to make to only try to show off that we have a normal life... that this terror syndrome is bringing to us. I do not want anyone to suffer from this anymore, so  I am not going to stop until we have a very good research done and not someone that falls short, so i am asking you for a very last effort to join us in this enterprise at Indiegogo.

http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=454.0

[CertainlyPOIS]

anybody interested in doing lit review on what has helped to find something useful.  we will do search using google scholar instead of websites.
it is something we can do while waiting for reaserch

[jferr]

Kurtosis, I know that I have asked you this before on a prior regimen.. What brands and when around orgasm do you take these supplements.

Thanks for your continuous help,

Jon.

[kurtosis]

Kurtosis, I know that I have asked you this before on a prior regimen.. What brands and when around orgasm do you take these supplements.

Thanks for your continuous help,

Jon.

Hi Jon,
I'll have to message you. Forum rules prevent me from giving brand information as it could be construed as marketing or promoting products.

[B_Daniel]

Kurtosis Method.... IT WORKS

I've been on it for 6 days, and I'm in full agreement with Nightingale... this is the real deal.  I don't feel as if my problems are masked, but I rather feel as if they're cured.  I know I created the 2-week rule, and I'm breaking it in a bad way right now.   Sometimes rules were meant to be broken.  His solution is vitamins... not a drug, not a stimulant, so I'm extremeley hopeful that this isn't a short term positive feeling.  Also, I feel increasingly better each day.  (note, I have limited email access over the next couple wks, but will try to keep ya'll updated...)

[POIS-SUFFERER]

Kurtosis Method.... IT WORKS

I've been on it for 6 days, and I'm in full agreement with Nightingale... this is the real deal.  I don't feel as if my problems are masked, but I rather feel as if they're cured.  I know I created the 2-week rule, and I'm breaking it in a bad way right now.   Sometimes rules were meant to be broken.  His solution is vitamins... not a drug, not a stimulant, so I'm extremeley hopeful that this isn't a short term positive feeling.  Also, I feel increasingly better each day.  (note, I have limited email access over the next couple wks, but will try to keep ya'll updated...)

I think we need a one paragraph synopsis of what people are doing to replicate these results so we can all be on the same page here.

PS.

[Prancer]

Kurtosis Method.... IT WORKS

I've been on it for 6 days, and I'm in full agreement with Nightingale... this is the real deal.  I don't feel as if my problems are masked, but I rather feel as if they're cured.  I know I created the 2-week rule, and I'm breaking it in a bad way right now.   Sometimes rules were meant to be broken.  His solution is vitamins... not a drug, not a stimulant, so I'm extremeley hopeful that this isn't a short term positive feeling.  Also, I feel increasingly better each day.  (note, I have limited email access over the next couple wks, but will try to keep ya'll updated...)

That is AMAZING news B_Daniel! I ordered my vitamins a few days ago and am still waiting for them. But I am SO excited to hear that this Kurtosis vitamin regimen is really working for a lot of us. I can't wait to give them a try! It would be great for us to find out which vitamins are the most important in making us feel better. I ordered pretty much everything except the huperzine A, but if that is a key ingredient then I'll buy that one in a hurry, haha.

Also, I agree with pois-sufferer that it would be nice to get a synopsis from everyone it is helping. (Maybe they will create a topic soon on the other forum like they did for the niacin results, showing what exactly people are taking and how they are feeling after. This will probably happen after more people start trying the vitamins out.)

Ok peace out...and I'll keep everyone updated when I try it out.

[kurtosis]

Kurtosis Method.... IT WORKS

I've been on it for 6 days, and I'm in full agreement with Nightingale... this is the real deal.  I don't feel as if my problems are masked, but I rather feel as if they're cured.  I know I created the 2-week rule, and I'm breaking it in a bad way right now.   Sometimes rules were meant to be broken.  His solution is vitamins... not a drug, not a stimulant, so I'm extremeley hopeful that this isn't a short term positive feeling.  Also, I feel increasingly better each day.  (note, I have limited email access over the next couple wks, but will try to keep ya'll updated...)

That is AMAZING news B_Daniel! I ordered my vitamins a few days ago and am still waiting for them. But I am SO excited to hear that this Kurtosis vitamin regimen is really working for a lot of us. I can't wait to give them a try! It would be great for us to find out which vitamins are the most important in making us feel better. I ordered pretty much everything except the huperzine A, but if that is a key ingredient then I'll buy that one in a hurry, haha.

Also, I agree with pois-sufferer that it would be nice to get a synopsis from everyone it is helping. (Maybe they will create a topic soon on the other forum like they did for the niacin results, showing what exactly people are taking and how they are feeling after. This will probably happen after more people start trying the vitamins out.)

Ok peace out...and I'll keep everyone updated when I try it out.

I'd order the huperzine A & take as described on the other forum. You could take 200mcg every second day or 100mcg / day. I wouldn't recommend taking it every day for more than 4/5 days a week. These might just be "herbs and vitamins" but the pharmacological effects of something like Huperzine are noticeable. Specifically it's an acetylcholinesterase inhibitor, similar to the way many anti-depressants inhibit serotonin reuptake. It's a drug that's being tested to treat alzheimers.
Remember that aspirin was derived from willow bark so herb's can be potent and much of our medicine has derived from understanding the actions of herbal remedies.

Now what I don't know, is whether Huperzine is providing a lift but our acetylcholine levels are around normal range or whether it's treating a diminishment in our acetylcholine levels. The latter is the "muscle weakness" hypothesis and it's difficult to test.

[Prancer]

I'd order the huperzine A & take as described on the other forum. You could take 200mcg every second day or 100mcg / day. I wouldn't recommend taking it every day for more than 4/5 days a week. These might just be "herbs and vitamins" but the pharmacological effects of something like Huperzine are noticeable. Specifically it's an acetylcholinesterase inhibitor, similar to the way many anti-depressants inhibit serotonin reuptake. It's a drug that's being tested to treat alzheimers.
Remember that aspirin was derived from willow bark so herb's can be potent and much of our medicine has derived from understanding the actions of herbal remedies.

Now what I don't know, is whether Huperzine is providing a lift but our acetylcholine levels are around normal range or whether it's treating a diminishment in our acetylcholine levels. The latter is the "muscle weakness" hypothesis and it's difficult to test.

I was able to find and purchase the huperzine earlier today. Thank you, now I know it is more crucial than I first thought.

[GoingCrazy]

Hey, haven't been on the forum in a while... sorry

I hear Kurtosis has something that may work for POIS?

Can someone please send me an email or a PM, I just have been very busy lately and today I had pretty bad POIS.  I really want to try this new concoction as I was thinking about just veering off the side of the road into a tree to end this misery.  But I had to reassure to myself that my pois worst stage is very short.

Can someone please PM me a message.  Thanks a lot.  I mean it.

[GoingCrazy]

Another thing,  with niacin... do you "O" during the flush? after the flush?  How long after the flush?  Before the flush?

Thanks.  Sorry, just beat up with POIS right now.

Anybody get night sweats with POIS?

[Mer]

Hi everyone,

Could someone please provide a final list of kurtosis's remedy. (I'm in so much brain fog now lol)

I can't wait to order them now.

Thank you!